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Russia Is Attacking US Forces With Electronic Weapons In Syria, General Says (yahoo.com)

john of sparta shares a report from Yahoo: American forces in Syria are increasingly facing attacks from Russian and Syrian electronic warfare weapons, as Moscow uses the conflict to test its future arsenal. General Raymond Thomas, head of the U.S. Special Operations Command, said that Syria has become "the most aggressive electronic warfare environment on the planet," Breakingdefense.com reported. Speaking at a geospatial intelligence conference in Florida, Gen. Thomas said that Russian and Syrian regime forces "are testing us everyday, knocking our communications down, disabling our [EC-130 aircraft]."

The Lockheed Martin EC-130 Compass Call is one of America's most advanced electronic warfare weapons. Based on the C-130 Hercules, the plane was developed to disrupt enemy communications, radar and command operations. The craft's presence in Syrian skies gives Russia the chance to test its weapons against the best the U.S. has to offer, whether directly or through its Syrian allies. Earlier this month, four anonymous officials told NBC News that Russia has also been regularly targeting smaller U.S. surveillance drones. One of those quoted said Russian operations were having a significant impact on U.S. capabilities. The sophisticated attacks were even successful against encrypted signals and anti-jamming devices, the official said.
Slashdot reader john of sparta adds, "Well, it's war; not a surprise..."

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  1. Re:What, how could this be? by gavron · · Score: 2

    Well now, they're also jamming ENCRYPTED communication!
    That doesn't just piss off Trump... it also pisses off all the sex traffickers that weren't on backpage.

    Seriously, sometimes the press releases the military puts out are so stupid.

    "We had a really good supply caravan. With hidden stuff under blankets. And then the Russians blew it all up,
    even the stuff under blankets!!!!!"

    Encryption is of no value when the underlying medium is sufficiently attacked.

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  2. Not only there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ""are testing us everyday, knocking our communications down,"

    They also knocked a moron as president down your throats.

    1. Re: Not only there by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That was in 2008. Get with the times. Those years are over.

    2. Re:Not only there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Your map says it all: Look at all that red! It's commies, commies I tell you. They've taken over all those counties, and are on the way to impurify our precious bodily fluids!

    3. Re: Not only there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      The whole Trump Russia connection a tired democrat narrative. Only a moron would believe this shit at this point.

  3. This cuts two ways... by Freischutz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The craft's presence in Syrian skies gives Russia the chance to test its weapons against the best the U.S. has to offer...

    At the same time it also gives the US a sample of the best Russia can throw at them and the effect that has on US tactics which have relied on battlefield networking, large numbers of remote controlled drones and the apparent assumption that these communications will never be significantly disrupted or even completely disabled. Let's just hope that this lesson will be better heeded than those learned by the Americans who fought the Japanese in the run-up to WWII. Their reports were filed away or ignored by the Pentagon which ignored the threat because the reports contradicted their preconceptions about the Japanese.

    1. Re:This cuts two ways... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      At the same time it also gives the US a sample of the best Russia can throw at them..

      Hah, keep thinking that..
      This isn't (yet) a full on war between the US and Russia, both sides are *not* deploying 'the best' as they'll be needing them in the event that they do directly engage each other.
      As an example, at no point (according to a ex-colleague who worked on them) have any of BMEWS systems been run at 'full capability', the point being to try 'steer' Russian tactical planning in specific directions based on observed capabilities. Now, this is not to say that the Russians don't know this, they do, so any overt display of their tactics in regards to this have to be taken with a large pinch of salt.
      Ditto re this story, the Russians deploy various EW tactics, the USians bleat 'Nasty Russians, their EW degrades our ability to function..' both countries analysts then sit and try figure out by how much the other lot are taking the piss..

      Oh!, the games people play....

  4. Same thing in Ukraine by quonset · · Score: 4, Informative

    From the beginning of the Russian attack against Ukraine, the Russian military has been using and testing its electronic warfare capabilities. They were even able to track an app Ukrainian artillery units were using to calculate their fire and use it to target the units.

    The OSCE monitors routinely report their UAVs are being jammed while over Russian-occupied territory. Also, these monitors report on a regular basis the presence of Russian mobile electronic jamming vehicles.

    Fortunately, as was stated further up, this jamming has given us a look into Russian procedures and allows us to find ways around it or at the least, to mitigate it. As a result, Ukrainian military units are able to communicate and coordinate their activities to target Russian military personnel on Ukrainian territory.

  5. Re:What, how could this be? by AndyKron · · Score: 2

    It's all FAKE NEWS!

  6. Re: Bloody hypocrites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I could tell by your use of bloody, Ivan.

  7. How dare they by melted · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How dare they interrupt our electronic weapons with their own electronic weapons!

    1. Re: How dare they by Xest · · Score: 2

      Actually the FSA kind of are now that Turkey has folded the extremist Sunni's they back into the FSA and turned them on the Kurds to do Turkey's ethnic cleansing for them. We can't really view the FSA as moderate anymore.

      This is partly our (the West's) fault too of course for letting them get repeatedly slaughtered by barrel bombs, chemical weapons, and indiscriminate attacks by the Russians as that led to them becoming more extreme and left them with no ally other than Turkey (and a handful of other gulf nations). By not supporting the FSA we lost them wholly to Turkey's influence, and Turkey just wants some people they can arm to kill Kurds and kill Assad and his forces.

      Interestingly Russia isn't really against the Kurds per-se. We're now in a weird situation where Russia is neutral to the Kurds, Assad is loosely supportive of them (because they're effective against ISIS and Turkey's incursions into Syria), and the US fully supports them - the only one killing them and refusing to recognise the fact they're the only capable and moderate force in Syria who want nothing more than peace in their slice of Syria and Iraq is Erdogan who has made a career out of blaming Kurds for his inability to run a country well in much the same way Hitler blamed the Jews to achieve the exact same thing.

      Allegiances have shifted therefore - the Kurds and the SDF are the only good guys who just want peace, democracy, and secularism. The FSA now want something akin to Morsi's Islamic Brotherhood in Egypt (and we all saw how badly that went) as proxies for Turkey, and Assad and Russia just want to continue the legacy authoritarian dictatorship of the Assad dynasty exactly as you say, so Russia can maintain it's port and Assad can live a life of luxury off the suffering of his people.

      Right now we should simply be doing everything we can to support the Kurds. Let's not forget, that when Sinjar in Iraq was overrun by ISIS and thousands of men, women, and children were chased up Mt Sinjar and murdered and raped, Turkey was at the time funding and arming them, and it was the Kurdish YPG from Syria on one side and the Kurdish Peshmerga from Iraq on the other that moved into Sinjar to pursue ISIS and rescue the Yazidis. That was a genuinely heroic and selfless action to save people whom the Kurds had no cultural or religious link to by the very people Erdogan dares to call terrorists.

      I get the impression that were the war to end now, that Assad would if nothing else give the Kurds autonomy in North East Syria in return for keeping ISIS at bay. The Russians would back that, as would the Americans and the Iraqis - the only one with a problem with it is Erdogan because it runs counter to his programme of using Kurds as a phantom enemy. Given the FSA are now acting on Turkey's behalf in this regard and killing Kurds, we should either target directly, or allow Assad and Russia to target directly the FSA, because they are no longer a moderate force at the behest of Turkey and so in turn deserve to be wiped out as much as ISIS does.

      The best outcome in Syria right now due to the failure by the West to act against Assad before Russia intervened is now to accept Assad in the West of Syria, with autonomy for the Kurds and the SDF in the East of Syria, with Turkey and it's proxies sent running with their tail between their legs with a severe military loss back into their own territory.

  8. Free strategy by king+neckbeard · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If this is such a concern, I've got a strategy the US can use to combat this: Get the hell out of Syria.

    It's ridiculous to be offended/upset that someone is using countermeasures against the drones being used against them or their allies.

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    1. Re:Free strategy by butchersong · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I think in a sane world we would need to articulate a very detailed and compelling reason to go to war. In this world the onus would not be on those skeptical of actions like this to justify not going to war. Doesn't that seem like a world worth working towards if most of the cost to each of us is simply pausing to take a breath and honestly listen to the other side?

      Here are a few reasons I believe this should not be happening 1) congress has not approved it. 2) the refugee crisis in Europe caused by this and our previous actions in Libya. 3) What reason do we have to think that overthrowing another secular ruler will result in anything other than the crap we've seen in Iraq and Libya? A rather comprehensive list of our work to date: master list

    2. Re: Free strategy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Strange that Syrians are so stupid that after assad wipes out AL qeda in controlled cities that residents move back in. Don't they know assad will kill them?

      Stop spreading propoganda bs. We killed more Iraqi civilians than saddam, so extending our war in Syria is not going to save people from big bad assad. We'll end up killing more civilians than assad ever would.

    3. Re:Free strategy by Solandri · · Score: 2

      Ostensibly, the U.S. and Russia are in Syria with the same goal - to fight ISIS. But behind the curtains, the U.S. is supporting Syrian rebels who want to overthrow al-Assad, while Russia is backing al-Assad and his government forces. They tolerate each others' presence in Syria because they both agree that an ISIS-controlled Syria is worse than either an al-Assad-controlled or rebel-controlled Syria. But neither will pass up a chance to "accidentally" lob a bomb at government forces, or a rebel-held city.

      In that respect, it's more akin to the U.S./UK and Soviets spying on and testing each others' capabilities during WWII. Both were fighting to defeat Hitler, but behind the scenes they had very different ideas for the future of Europe and knew they'd likely end up as adversaries after the war.

  9. Re:Syria & allies don't attack,they defend mot by butchersong · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sadly.. this isn't far off the mark. The thing is most of the people around me are beginning to wake up. Everyone I knew supported the original Iraq war. I haven't really spoke with anyone that supports this crap in Syria and I live in rural America. Most everyone including me is Republican.

  10. Re:How dare they fight back when attacked by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The US actions in Syria aren't self serving, it only tried to serve Israel/Saudi Arabia and their self fulfilling paranoia vis a vis Iran. It would have been far cheaper for the US to just stay out of it and only fight Isis in Iraq (and actually fighting them straight from the start). Arming ISIS and then subsequently "bombing" them and then finally actually bombing them when their former pet dogs became a little too rabid has done nothing but bring grief to the US. It didn't even help their Sunni allies, Saudi Arabia is off worse in some ways.

    In the end only Israel is laughing as it's hold on the Golan is strengthened. The US was played.

  11. Re: What, how could this be? by Type44Q · · Score: 2

    Let's go have the beer

    All the beer are belong to us.

  12. Electronic counter measures by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Do electronic counter measures qualify as attacks, especially when the US military are flying war planes in sovereign Syrian airspace? Oh the US military are such poor, delicate victims of these evil Syrian radio waves. Why won't the Syrian military stop?

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  13. Israelis Monitoring? by Artagel · · Score: 2

    I suspect the Israelis are somehow monitoring this with great interest. They have the capabilities to have good performance in this area on both sides of the EW battle. And they would not be tipping their hand to either side.