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All Indian Villages Now Have Access To Electricity (indiatimes.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: All Indian villages now have access to electricity. Manipur's Leisang village became the last non-electrified inhabited village to join India's mainline supply network at 5.30pm on Saturday, an important milestone in the country's journey towards universal electricity access. This means that all 597,464 inhabited villages in the country now have access to power, fulfilling a promise the Prime Minister had made on August 15, 2015, when he announced that all unelectrified villages would get power over the next 1,000 days.

The last inhabited village to be powered through the off-grid system -- isolated supply networks, mostly with solar power plants -- was Pakol, also in Manipur, a small state in Eastern India. While basic infrastructure such as distribution transformer and lines need to be set up in inhabited localities, including Dalit hamlets, a village is considered electrified if 10 per cent of its households and public places such as schools, panchayat office and health centre have access to electricity.

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  1. Next Step by mentil · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Today: electricity. Tomorrow: toilets!

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    1. Re: Next Step by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      That's one way to solve the overpopulation problem ...

    2. Re:Next Step by gopla · · Score: 5, Interesting

      In two words you have captured the essential part of this news. It is not only toilets tomorrow but also cooking gas for all liberating women from smoke and related health issues. Next is moving the mass of people to formal banking, with potential change over less cash economy.

      The impact of this will be felt worldwide in the next 10 years. If USA is exhausted of Indian coders when India has just 40 % toilet coverage, 60 % electricity access and less than 50 % families with a bank account, imagine the scenario 10 years from now with 100 % population having middle class facilities. India is massively cleaning up its streets and rivers. Building road and rail infrastructure.

      It is going through the phase which China went through three decades ago.

    3. Re: Next Step by WindBourne · · Score: 2

      Don't laugh. Some of my in-laws are in India setting up hand washing stations by the community toilets. They developed and manufacture an inexpensive setup that is also low water use. Sanitation remains a serious issue for villagers. Many children die in India from diarrhea due to lack of sanitation.

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    4. Re:Next Step by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

      Open defecation is different from the other problems. It is not merely a lack of resources or infrastructure. It is also deeply cultural. The Indian government has actually had better luck getting the poor to use communal toilets and latrines than their better off neighbors. They don't want to be seen using the same facilities as a bunch of dirty Dalits.

      Bangladesh has nearly eliminated open defecation, and has seen a seven-fold drop in early childhood mortality from diarrhea. They are doing better than India despite being a poorer country.

    5. Re:Next Step by gopla · · Score: 2

      True about Bangladesh. I also agree that the reason about open defecation may also be cultural. Yet, Indians are more pragmatic than what you think. Until now there was no focused effort to address this problem. Not any more. Just like this 1000 day target to electrify all villages, the target to get all villages and cities open defecation free is Oct. 2019. It is progressing well as far as I can tell.

      Changes in Indian society occur at much faster rate than you can imagine. Indians are not zealots, can adopt quickly and see the logic. What Indians lack is ability to put efforts in a single minded manner like Chinese. There are always hundreds of opinion and each one pulling in different direction. By some random circumstances there is one decade every century where you see dramatic positive changes, other wise languishing in whatever state the previous cycle left them. This has been the story of India since last 1000 years.

      In previous two cycles we eradicated Sati and Untouchability. Exceptions are still seen even today, but on the whole these are gone. Now it is time for toilets.

    6. Re:Next Step by Megol · · Score: 1

      So you are saying Indian coders are held back by their non-Indian coworkers?

    7. Re:Next Step by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      Indians are not zealots, can adopt quickly and see the logic

      Of course aside from religion, where the word "zealot" actually comes from.

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    8. Re:Next Step by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Toilets are actually harder to do than electricity, which is why electricity happened first. For electricity you can use above-ground wires and local generation system. Burying pipes is much more labour intensive and expensive, and so is finding and fixing the leaks.

      Good luck to them.

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    9. Re:Next Step by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      Three words. Designated shitting streets.

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    10. Re: Next Step by crimson+tsunami · · Score: 1

      It wouldn't work, they wouldn't use them.

    11. Re:Next Step by crimson+tsunami · · Score: 1

      They can adopt quickly and see the logic. Then why hasn't anyone told them before? They have had a very long time to notice even if the civilized countries forgot to tell them.

    12. Re:Next Step by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

      The global warming message still not getting through it seems.

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    13. Re:Next Step by rsborg · · Score: 1

      Indians are not zealots, can adopt quickly and see the logic

      Of course aside from religion, where the word "zealot" actually comes from.

      What does a greek word about a particular Jewish sect have to do with India? Or is this some really vague Starcraft reference?

      https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki...

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    14. Re:Next Step by fish_in_the_c · · Score: 1

      yes, but the 'progress' in China is primarily due to a totalitarian government that is in the habit of simply 'disappearing' dissenters. The only reason there isn't more descent is because the every citizen is kept on a closer and closer leash and fear of non conformity is taught from a young age. Children are raised by the state not their parents for the most part, as many of them spend day and night at school. All information is control tightly in both the media and the internet, 'for the good of all', and of coarse the 'good' is what is best for those who rule.
      Even so occasionally descent shows up and you can expect to be imprisoned, or killed for speaking or holding opinions common to Christianity or even certain strains of Buddhism. The difference being, it isn't 'citizen zealots' is it the actual government coming after you.

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    15. Re:Next Step by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Tell that to the muslims and other races under attack by Hindus in India due to cows / inter religious marriage. If you are a muslim / christian guy, and you marry a hindu girl, get ready to be chopped up in broad day light in public.

      I have no idea how you arrived at the need to tell me about the zealots in India when I've clearly mentioned the presence of zealots in India.

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    16. Re:Next Step by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      One who is zealous, one who is full of zeal for his own specific beliefs or objectives, usually in the negative sense of being too passionate; a fanatic

      Exactly!

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    17. Re: Next Step by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      You don't need pipes for a toilet. You just need to build a vault. Not a bank vault, but rather a place for the waste to be held

      Furthermore, the waste turns into soil in short order.

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    18. Re: Next Step by CaffeinatedBacon · · Score: 1

      Fuck off WindBourne. You think I'm the only person who disagrees with you?

    19. Re: Next Step by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      That works for an outhouse, but not for a toilett used by hundrets or more a day.

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    20. Re: Next Step by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      In that case, consider https://ponce.sdsu.edu/aiwps.h...

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    21. Re: Next Step by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      I guess that is what the parent was talking about.
      We call it 'Klaeranlage'.

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  2. Pretty Good by wolfheart111 · · Score: 1

    Canada cant even say that.

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    1. Re:Pretty Good by ls671 · · Score: 1

      Neither can US, for the same geographical reasons as Canada:
      https://www.adn.com/rural-alas...

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    2. Re: Pretty Good by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Both of you are confused. TFA doesn't talk about centralised power grids; it specifically mentions villages which generate their own power via solar.

      It also mentions that their definition of access is 10% of a community having electricity.

      By those standards, yes, both Canada and the US can make the same claim, and then some. I've been to some of the most remote communities in the Arctic; they all have electricity and plenty of it.

    3. Re: Pretty Good by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Before anyone corrects me, yes, I misread TFA. Dammit.

      On the other hand, remote Canadian communities still do have much better electrical infrastructure even if we can't get them connected to the rest of our grid.

  3. Nothing to do with PM by asvravi · · Score: 3, Informative

    This has nothing to do with the PM's promise. Electrification was proceeding for decades even before he came to power or made the announcement, in fact at a faster rate. In the 10 years before, the village electrification percentage went from 78%to 96%. Only the last 4% was completed in the past 4 years. So electrification actually slowed down after he made the announcement!

    1. Re:Nothing to do with PM by Calydor · · Score: 2

      Maybe because those last 4% were extremely hard to get to?

      I admittedly have no idea about India's infrastructure or finer geography, the locations of their villages etc., but compare it to coding: You'll crank out 95% of a program fast, going through all the easy sections like buttons doing what they say they should and so on, and then you'll spend forever on the last 5% to make sure everything works -together-.

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    2. Re:Nothing to do with PM by gopla · · Score: 2

      You are right in your assessment. The last few villages were tough. They were located in dense forests or in higher altitudes of himalay. Some were even in the places affected by terrorism.

      See for example this case. Chhattisgarh's Maoist-hit village gets electricity after 15 years. . The light vanished from the Chintalnar village when Maoists, in a bid to disrupt the development activities in the district, uprooted electricity poles. Bringing back electricity to such villages was a tough job. I am happy it is done.

      However, as the summary mention, electrification of a village just means public places are electrified. The next job is to provide electricity to all and ensure 24x7 supply. This part is what you have said :

      spend forever on the last 5% to make sure everything works -together-

    3. Re:Nothing to do with PM by jrumney · · Score: 1

      The fact that it was delivered only 13 days before that 1000 days ran out, makes me think this was all carefully planned out long before he made the announcement.

    4. Re:Nothing to do with PM by gopla · · Score: 1

      Politicians who are sincere in keeping their promises to deliver, plan their work before making public announcements. What is wrong with this?

    5. Re:Nothing to do with PM by FalcDot · · Score: 2

      First of all, of course a project like this slows down near the end. The last few villages are more than likely the most difficult to reach.

      Second of all, at least the PM didn't announce that those last remaining villages weren't worth the effort.

    6. Re:Nothing to do with PM by iampiti · · Score: 1

      So, as every other politician in the world this PM just promised something that was about to happen regardless of his intervention and got credit for it

    7. Re:Nothing to do with PM by Samurai+Nigel · · Score: 1

      Like cleaning up a pile of Lego bricks on the floor, the big ones clean up fast, it's all the little, hard to see ones that take the most time.

    8. Re:Nothing to do with PM by Frankie70 · · Score: 1

      Not only that - it may not even be actually complete - https://www.indiatoday.in/indi...

  4. Re:Funding per pupil throughout the US by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    Actually, the fact that he posted that particular diatribe under the wrong story is pretty hilarious.

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  5. Worrrisome it took so long by Teun · · Score: 1

    India is a country that developed nuclear weapons and intercontinental rockets, in that light I find it worrisome it took them so long to get basic infrastructure to their remote villages.
    Yes national security is important but a happy population and good infrastructure are so too.

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    1. Re:Worrrisome it took so long by iampiti · · Score: 1

      Yeah, well, have you thought of the scale of the effort required to wire up 597,464 villages? It's comparatively simpler to develop some rockets. Also politician probably prioritised the weapons since they probably guessed it would be more politically profitable

    2. Re:Worrrisome it took so long by Teun · · Score: 1

      They've got about a billion people to work on it.

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  6. Yes, but most PEOPLE still don't have it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This article is worded to make you think that ALL Indians in all these villages now have electricity in their homes -they don't. There are still millions of Indians without electricity in their houses.

    And as somebody else said - what about toilets, which are even more important?

  7. Re:Funding per pupil throughout the US by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

    There's no correlation, kids. Your comments will be graded on whether you actually processed that singular fact.

    Which, as an overall statistics, is meaningless of course to the problem of whether some schools severely lack funding or not. Your response will be graded on whether you've ever passed Statistics 101.

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  8. Re:Funding per pupil throughout the US by Karmashock · · Score: 1

    Yeah, I don't know how that happened. I don't remember even seeing this indian thing.

    Either my butter fingers or a UI glitch or something. *shrugs*

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  9. Re:Funding per pupil throughout the US by Karmashock · · Score: 1

    It was either a butterfinger click or a UI bug... none of which undermines anything I've said unless ad hominems have suddenly stopped being fallacies.

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  10. definition of "electricity access ready" by thej1nx · · Score: 3, Informative

    In case you didn't know, PM Modi's clever spin is that if his government has put up even a single pole in a whole village, providing electricity to say a govt office there, or put up even several poles but no electric cables on them and so on, in theory the village is "electricity access ready". The argument here being that whenever the lines are actually connected to the power grid, the electricity will be arriving, since "the poles are already installed".

    http://www.business-standard.c...

    The current ruling party has apparently learned that hiring social media IT teams tha spam social media with lies and exaggerations and feel-good promises is a good way of scoring votes, instead of needing to do any actual development work.

  11. Re:The day after: An end to child rape! by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

    Their indian? And you, who seem to be only semi-literate, dare to pontificate about civilization?

  12. Re:The day after: An end to child rape! by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    "Their indian, it's cultural."

    Indeed, just as with you racists, not knowing the difference between "They're" and "Their" is cultural.

  13. Re:The day after: An end to child rape! by thegreatbob · · Score: 1

    It's sad, but fortunate in some ways. These sorts rarely aspire to much beyond shitposting on internet forums.

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  14. 2 questions by Not-a-Neg · · Score: 1

    1.) How is the electricity generated?

    2.) How many days a year does the electricity go out (on average)?

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  15. Not Native American Indians by Christopher_G_Lewis · · Score: 1

    Certainly not the case for native American Indians: https://indiancountrymedianetw...

  16. Ah the 90-90 Rule! by rsborg · · Score: 1

    Maybe because those last 4% were extremely hard to get to?

    I admittedly have no idea about India's infrastructure or finer geography, the locations of their villages etc., but compare it to coding: You'll crank out 95% of a program fast, going through all the easy sections like buttons doing what they say they should and so on, and then you'll spend forever on the last 5% to make sure everything works -together-.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    The first 90 percent of the code accounts for the first 90 percent of the development time. The remaining 10 percent of the code accounts for the other 90 percent of the development time.[1]

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  17. Access to electricity by PPH · · Score: 1

    Just climb that pole with your extension cord and hook yourself up.

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  18. Pretty low bar by jodido · · Score: 1

    Ten percent of households electrified=village is electrified? That's not much to brag about.

  19. Re:Please stop posting India related stories by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    So you're ready to stick up for what you think is right only when nobody disagrees with you?

    I see from your posting history you're capable of much better than that.

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  20. Re:Funding per pupil throughout the US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Simple answer? You're a moron. Process that. Actually think about it. Give yourself a full 10 seconds to muse that over.

  21. 10 percent? No by AKCoder · · Score: 1

    Ref: a village is considered electrified if 10 per cent of its households and public places such as schools, panchayat office and health centre have access to electricity Absolutely not That only means 10% of a village is electrified.. 10 is too low of a number to consider the whole village electrified.

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  22. Re:Funding per pupil throughout the US by Karmashock · · Score: 1

    You know what you are and what you did. ;)

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  23. Re:Funding per pupil throughout the US by sysrammer · · Score: 1

    Well, true or not, the "Endless stupid zombies" ad hominem came from your OP.

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  24. Re:Funding per pupil throughout the US by sysrammer · · Score: 1

    Ha! You prolly got more replies by this little glitch than if it had posted correctly. Isn't the internet fun?

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  25. Re:Funding per pupil throughout the US by Karmashock · · Score: 1
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  26. 2014 poll promises by NewYork · · Score: 1

    Modi regime fulfilled just 9% of his 2014 poll promises http://www.electionpromisestra...