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'Red Alert' Protest For Net Neutrality Starts May 9 (cnet.com)

Net neutrality activists and websites like Etsy, Tumblr, Postmates, Foursquare and Twilio will post "red alerts" starting May 9 to protest the FCC's effort to roll back Obama-era net neutrality protections. From a report: This latest protest, announced Monday, is set to coincide with the next step in an ongoing process in the Senate to use the Congressional Review Act (CRA) to halt the Federal Communications Commission's repeal of the 2015 net neutrality rules. On May 9, senators will present a petition to force a vote on a resolution to undo the FCC's net neutrality rollback. The CRA gives Congress 60 legislative days in which to roll back the FCC's decision. The countdown for the rollback effort began in February when the FCC published its order in the Federal Register to repeal the rules. Further reading: 100 US Mayors Sign Pledge To Defend Net Neutrality Against Crooked ISPs.

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  1. We all know how useful virtue signaling is! by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wake me when there's an actual problem, instead of people postering because they fear their own shadows.

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:We all know how useful virtue signaling is! by bondsbw · · Score: 3

      Sure, let's make it easier for ISPs to claim that it's too ingrained in their systems and business model to change.

      You might not worry about the train coming towards us, but don't force me to stand on the tracks with you.

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      All my liberal friends think I'm a conservative, all my conservative friends think I'm a liberal.
    2. Re:We all know how useful virtue signaling is! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might want to proof read next time.

    3. Re:We all know how useful virtue signaling is! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Super-Apologist Ken Doll loves to pretend problems aren't actually problems until he himself is inconvenienced - at which point a shrill whining sound is emitted. "Why is Europe making video game loot boxes illegal!?" -the cry of the true victim.

    4. Re:We all know how useful virtue signaling is! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Must you Trump idiots infest literally EVERY forum on the Internet???

    5. Re:We all know how useful virtue signaling is! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      There is an actual problem. Comcast is slowing down connections. We have about forty employees with home connections that we pay for, and run monitoring when they connect to our VPN. Latency has almost tripled and packetloss increased by near tenfold in the past month.

    6. Re:We all know how useful virtue signaling is! by Nidi62 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You have to pay to play and that's how it is, get over it.

      We've already paid for our internet use, through our ISP. This is about ISPs wanting to make deal with companies to charge you varying amounts (or on top of what you already pay for service) based upon the source of the content. You paid for it, why does the ISP care if that data is coming from Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, CNN, Youtube? They want to charge customers to receive the data and companies to send the data, effectively getting paid twice for the same data. How would you like to pay $10 more a month to access news sites (beyond the ones that have already paid to be "included" in the ISPs base package)? $10 more to access Google services (oh, and an additional $5 for Youtube on top of that)? Twitter paid off your ISP, now you can't access Facebook or Instagram. Access to content producers owned by the ISP: free. Access to content producers like Netflix or Hulu? Pay extra (so you are now paying Netflix and your ISP to watch Netflix).

      This is like your water company charging you different rates based upon whether you are using your shower or the kitchen sink or the sprinkler in your yard. You paid for the water, you decide how you use it; you paid for the data, you decide where that data comes from.

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      The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
    7. Re:We all know how useful virtue signaling is! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Internet is not a Safe Space, Cry Closet, Protected Perimeter, Defensive Den, or whatever other idiotic, emotionally-infantile area you millennial wimps claim you need. Deal with it. If that's not to your liking, I suggest Russia, China, and Cuba as lovely destinations for your communist ideals.

    8. Re:We all know how useful virtue signaling is! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You think Comcast is doing that on purpose rather than due to their own incompetence? I think you underestimate their incompetence.

    9. Re:We all know how useful virtue signaling is! by greenwow · · Score: 1

      Reddit has a subreddit for this:

      https://www.reddit.com/r/thatHappened/

    10. Re:We all know how useful virtue signaling is! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " instead of people postering "

      Who still makes posters these days?

    11. Re:We all know how useful virtue signaling is! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Call me when your cable/internet bill is up to $400 a month because you're paying for every large company on the internet to have that "fast lane" ISPs can implment now....

    12. Re:We all know how useful virtue signaling is! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blame you local governments for the last mile ISP monopoly. Government has been the problem and government is the problem going forward. Once you start opening free markets sans net neutrality we'll start seeing more competition.

    13. Re:We all know how useful virtue signaling is! by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

      There is an actual problem. Comcast is slowing down connections. We have about forty employees with home connections that we pay for, and run monitoring when they connect to our VPN. Latency has almost tripled and packetloss increased by near tenfold in the past month.

      Are there any published stories about this? I am pretty dubious because I ALSO work at home, mostly on a VPN, and use Comcast. I have not noticed any of what you are claiming here.

      As others have said it's way more likely to be Comcast infrastructure issues (which sometimes I HAVE had) than anything like some secret ISP cabal slowing VPN traffic. In any case it would have nothing to do with network neutrally and everything to do with traffic shaping at worst (which the network neutrality regulations that were decided would have done nothing about BTW).

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    14. Re:We all know how useful virtue signaling is! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They get paid well in russia.

    15. Re:We all know how useful virtue signaling is! by bws111 · · Score: 1

      That hasn't been true for over 20 years.

    16. Re:We all know how useful virtue signaling is! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This is like your water company charging you different rates based upon whether you are using your shower or the kitchen sink or the sprinkler in your yard. You paid for the water, you decide how you use it; you paid for the data, you decide where that data comes from.

      That idea is already partly implemented by the WSSC water company in the greater Washington DC area. You can get a sub-meter to get your outdoor-use water at a substantially lower rate than your indoor-use water. The reason is that your outdoor-use water doesn't enter the sewer system, and sewer rates are double the water rates.

    17. Re:We all know how useful virtue signaling is! by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      Blame you local governments for the last mile ISP monopoly. Government has been the problem and government is the problem going forward. Once you start opening free markets sans net neutrality we'll start seeing more competition.

      Yes, those evil local governments forced large ISPs to come in and give them loads of money to make sure no other ISP could roll out in that area. And don't forget the mean government taking those poor ISPs to court over One Touch Make Ready laws.

      Oh, wait, you mean ISPs have lobbied to create local laws that prevent competing ISPs from rolling out and have sued local governments that have tried to implement policies like OTMR which promotes competition? It's almost like in the absence of government regulation companies will actively seek out methods to avoid a free market and therefore competition. Who'd've thunkit?

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    18. Re:We all know how useful virtue signaling is! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like we were doing a couple years ago?

      Oh well, I'm just glad I won't live to see it. I already died twice (Paris accords and tax cuts, if you're interested in my causes of death) so I'm not even alive to be killed by net neutrality.

    19. Re:We all know how useful virtue signaling is! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Proves my point. Government is still the problem. Your politicians voted for it.

    20. Re:We all know how useful virtue signaling is! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they ever added sub-metering here in Vancouver BC they'd charge more for outdoor-use water because the reservoir system hasn't been updated since the 1960's. It's so bad that even though it rains seven months a year here, water use restrictions are mandatory every year all summer.
      Politicians are stupid.

    21. Re: We all know how useful virtue signaling is! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course it has. Do you have legal access to utility easements to start a competitor? Of course not. Utilities bid on these and the incumbent wins unless the local govt can open it up. Fiber optics has the greatest chance as multiple runs can coexist in the same underground conduit, but only if the local govt paid for the run...

    22. Re: We all know how useful virtue signaling is! by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      A big noisy protest is needed, otherwise people might not notice anything has changed with the Internet.

    23. Re:We all know how useful virtue signaling is! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When discussing Comcast, keep in mind it didn't spring up overnight, it got where it is by eating endless local and regional ISPs of varying (and often dubious) quality.

      Quality of service is hardly universal between disparate geographic areas.

    24. Re:We all know how useful virtue signaling is! by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 1

      Much sound and fury, signifying nothing.

      I guess if you're a politician who doesn't have any real solutions to any real problems, your best bet is to make up fake problems and then create a big PR campaign to let everyone know how you're fighting for them by talking a lot about the fake problem you made up. It does help if you have willing accomplices in the media and large website companies.

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      The party of stupid and the party of evil get together and do something both stupid and evil, then call it bipartisan.
    25. Re:We all know how useful virtue signaling is! by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Protesting for federal rules to protect their paper insulated wireline monopoly.
      How about putting that effort into community broadband and not protected federal monopoly telcos?

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      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    26. Re:We all know how useful virtue signaling is! by iamhassi · · Score: 1

      We've already paid for our internet use, through our ISP. This is about ISPs wanting to make deal with companies to charge you varying amounts (or on top of what you already pay for service) based upon the source of the content. You paid for it, why does the ISP care if that data is coming from Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, CNN, Youtube?

      But none of that is happening. These laws weren't put into place until 2014, and no ISP had abused net neutrality before then, it was just a knee jerk reaction to a "what if" scenario. Trump repealed them and again, no ISP is abusing net neutrality. Stop crying wolf.

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    27. Re:We all know how useful virtue signaling is! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is times likes this, where I count my blessing that I am NOT living in the US... IF this ISP-cancer spreads, then at least it will take some time to spread beyond the US... even though many politicians in many countries seem to have an unhealthy facination with the US... even with Trump at the helm.

    28. Re:We all know how useful virtue signaling is! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no ISP had abused net neutrality before

      Riiiiiiiiiiight

  2. When I started reading the title of the post.. by Faw · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... I got excited for a moment because a new Command and Conquer was coming out.

    1. Re:When I started reading the title of the post.. by antdude · · Score: 1

      Ditto, but then I didn't like RA3 tho.

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      Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
  3. I look forward to it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm short Netflix and if the FCC gets it's way, I'm gonna make a real nice sum!

  4. Hopefully Ajit's plan... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    of getting Congress to act works. It sucks that Obama didn't care about this issue and never pushed for a law to be passed.

    1. Re:Hopefully Ajit's plan... by greenwow · · Score: 1

      The small ISP we've worked with for over fifteen years supported the repeal and in their newsletter they quoted Ajit Pai as saying, "smaller Internet service providers...don’t have the time, money, or lawyers to navigate a thicket of complex rules." Several big infrastructure projects were canceled after the new, complex rules were put into place in 2015. Our ISP lost an investor because of the uncertainty of how much more the new rules would cost them. I just don't agree with him that a federal law would be less complex and have less overhead. Congress tends to make things more complicated.

    2. Re:Hopefully Ajit's plan... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Name this small ISP. I dare you.

    3. Re:Hopefully Ajit's plan... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It sucks that there are people as stupid as you.

  5. They used to say efforts like these were by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'as useful as teets on a bull', but I'll modernize that by coining, "This effort will be as useful as a change.org petition."

    1. Re:They used to say efforts like these were by bobbied · · Score: 2

      'as useful as teets on a bull', but I'll modernize that by coining, "This effort will be as useful as a change.org petition."

      Well, you and I know that this protest will be as effective as that petition... As far as Net Neutrality is concerned, this is pointless.

      HOWEVER, this is about the midterms and democrats keeping their voters ginned up, not about changing Net Neutrality which is going to take an act of congress to change. Even with the best possible outcome for the democrats in the midterms, it won't happen in the next congress.

      Settle in, this is going long term. Net Neutrality is currently dead. Republicans killed it, it's not coming back for at least 3 years, maybe more.

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  6. Asking for the FCC to censor the web by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Idiots are basically begging for censorship.

    1. Re: Asking for the FCC to censor the web by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Hey, DC politicians know better how to run internet networks than network operators do.

      Wake me up when somebody is protesting about the lack of pole access for competing last-mile providers.

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      OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
    2. Re:Asking for the FCC to censor the web by fedos · · Score: 1

      No one is asking for the FCC to censor the Internet. Stop mindlessly repeating right wing lies.

  7. It's too ingrained in their systems and business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure, ask Ma Bell how well that one works as a defence. The only place that argument holds water is with Government.

  8. exercise in futility by sdinfoserv · · Score: 1

    Given that the House, Senate and White House are held by the GOP, this is an exercise in futility.
    The right is obsessed with "anything that Obama/Clinton touched must be evil and forever killed/dismantled" that it's not possible in the current administration. Plus given the hundreds of millions of lobbyist dollars dolled out in behalf of the communications cabal, there's no chance.
    Put effort into things that actually can make changes.. ..like campaign finance reform.

    1. Re:exercise in futility by sconeu · · Score: 1

      I was about to say something like this.

      Don't people know that the CRA is only for stuff passed under Obama?

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    2. Re:exercise in futility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if you don't want trump in charge stop running fuckers like hillary for office!

    3. Re: exercise in futility by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      (It was her turn)

      I remember when it was Bob Dole's turn. Worked out about the same.

    4. Re:exercise in futility by sdinfoserv · · Score: 1

      I think it was more Hillary decided it was her turn and she deserved it. Everyone else was either obsessed with putting a vagina in charge of the white house or too afraid of Hillary to actually suggest reason and the obvious. I am sorry to be so blunt, but truth is sometimes painful.
      Given the choice between a 75 year old socialist or Hillary... come Dems, any one else! Please! and anyone else would have won the election and the electoral vote. Trump was nuke the system vote.

  9. Equal Representation is what Net Neutrality is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    all about. That means maybe someone else typing doesn't think that same thing you do.

  10. Etsy AND Foursquare? by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    Wow, Etsy and Foursquare? What a throwback to the early 2010s. I didn't know those sites were still around. Hopefully AOL and Yahoo will join the fight!

    1. Re: Etsy AND Foursquare? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      A big splash page is anticipated at AltaVista. Fire up your Hotmail and spam all your friends about the issue.

  11. What happened to the internet bat signals? by xack · · Score: 1

    Back after the SOPA protests there was a discussion of an internet defence league. This sounds like a time such as signal would be activated, so where is it?

    1. Re:What happened to the internet bat signals? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nowhere. There is no "internet defence league" because it's all a pile of bullshit and big talk from a bunch of obese neckbeards reeking of sweat who like to posture like they were some force to be reckoned with, but are the very same sad losers we made fun of back in school. Remember how much we enjoyed tormenting them? They deserved it. And they deserve being crapped upon again and again, just to remind them their place. They won't do anything. They can't. And even if they could, they would be too scared. Ignore them.

  12. My employees use Comcast BUSINESS Class services by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    for our remote work. They include terms of service that guarantee rates. Look into paying for it while you're complaining about your connectivity problems.

  13. Correct. Watch the upvotes to see the narative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    unfold here over time.

  14. cheap shot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's a cheap shot, and you know it. He's almost certainly bound by an NDA.

    1. Re:cheap shot by greenwow · · Score: 1

      Not an NDA, but the co-founder told me that I assume in confidence since they were having trouble making payroll. Found the old email, but the link to their newsletter no longer works I assume because they redid their web site. Either way, I remember this quote:from Pai that a friend that works for a WISP here in Seattle confirmed was true for his company here in Seattle:

      "Wireless Internet Service Providers Association, which represents small fixed wireless companies that typically operate in rural America, surveyed its members and found that over 80% “incurred additional expense in complying with the Title II rules, had delayed or reduced network expansion, had delayed or reduced services and had allocated budget to comply with the rules.”

      Large monopolies like Comcast can easily afford to hire more lawyers, but an ISP like the one I mentioned with eight employees and the WISP my friend worked for with about 30 employees simply can't afford to hire lawyers to "decode" all of the complex regulations.

  15. What is the point of the Red Alert exercise? by GregMmm · · Score: 1

    Whether you're for or against how the Net Neutrality rules by the FCC were implemented, what is the point of backing this "role back". Let's be practical, it isn't going to pass. The only moment of victory might be passing the senate. It will never pass the house, and will get a veto from the president.

    Is this just being hurt cause one administration passed some rules and now the next one is clearing them out? Are these rules just being cleared out to spite the last administration.

    Yes, there is big money at stake, but let's get real and do something positive. Do something the last administration didn't do. Make a law. Instead of putting all this effort into something that will go nowhere, put the effort into something lasting. Yes, that will mean working with both side. This will usually have a better outcome. It will keep it balanced.

    All these "protest" are like pissing in the wind. It feels good for a second, then it's just cold and damp.

  16. WTF? by fedos · · Score: 1

    Why are so many of the comments here opposed to Net Neutrality?