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Fedora 28 Featuring GNOME 3.28 Released (betanews.com)

Posted by msmash on from the new-distro-releases dept.

Following an official beta release, Fedora 28 has been released today. From a report: Fedora 28 has many new features, but one in particular will surely excite desktop/workstation users -- GNOME 3.28, which introduces Thunderbolt 3 support and improved laptop battery life. Fedora has long used GNOME as the default desktop environment, and best of all, it is mostly a stock affair -- no silly tweaks enabled by default. In other words, you get a very pure GNOME experience, making Fedora Workstation the preferred OS for many hardcore fans of the DE. "GNOME 3.28 adds the capability to favorite files, folders, and contacts for easier organization and access. Additionally, the new application Usage is included to help users more easily diagnose and resolve performance and capacity issues," says The Fedora Project.

76 comments

  1. Gnome? Why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    ...would I want a smelly foot on my screen?

    1. Re:Gnome? Why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would consider updating and moving away from Windows 10 if the girl was included...

        She's 25 years old

      CAP === 'sludge'

    2. Re:Gnome? Why... by SeaFox · · Score: 3, Funny

      ...would I want a smelly foot on my screen?

      It's better than Windows 10 where you get a a polished boot stamping on a human face — forever.

    3. Re:Gnome? Why... by jwhyche · · Score: 2, Informative

      Unless you want to play games or do anything really useful with your PC.

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      I read at +2. If your post doesn't reach that level I will not see or respond to it.
    4. Re:Gnome? Why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought Gnome 3 sucked, but Windows put a failed smartphone OS in the start menu. That's braindead. And they copied the feature from Unity of searching stuff on the internet behind your back.
      I have to remind myself, don't click by mistake on the menu button, it makes the hard drive grind all for nothing.
      At least it still has notepad, but I use win+r to launch it.
      I don't want to play games that need the internet, so Windows does little for me these days. Maybe I should try to find physical older games on CD/DVD, I miss them. Games that were too slow on my CPU back then like Painkiller, Stalker etc.

    5. Re:Gnome? Why... by Trogre · · Score: 1

      That's a curious form of Stockholm Syndrome you're expressing there.

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    6. Re:Gnome? Why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... or do anything really useful with your PC.

      There are plenty apps in non Windows OS, that can do anything really useful with one's PC, that don't make the user a hostage. But I think you already know that, troll.

    7. Re:Gnome? Why... by jwhyche · · Score: 3

      Truth hurts but call me when you can play GTA on linux and i'll be more than happy to take it back.

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    8. Re:Gnome? Why... by strikethree · · Score: 1

      I can play GTA 3 and GTA San Andreas on Linux.

      I recently ran updates on my Windows box and found out that the "find my computer" app was installed, running, and can not be disabled except by logging in to my Microsoft account.

      I do not have a Microsoft account, will never have a Microsoft, and now, can not keep my computer from telling Microsoft where my computer is without having a Microsoft account. Of course, with all of the other telemetry, I am sure they already knew where my computer was every time I booted into Windows.

      I dunno man. Windows 10 is so incredibly invasive and disturbing that even games can't tempt me into using it. If access to only the latest games is worth your privacy, then go for it. Help create a mass of willing participants that the rest of us can not escape from.

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    9. Re:Gnome? Why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can certainly play it, in dosbox.

    10. Re:Gnome? Why... by jwhyche · · Score: 1

      These games are over 10 years old. I would be disappointed if they didn't run in some form under wine. I should have been more specific even thought I didn't think i would have to be.

      Here we go. Call me when you can run GTAV, No Mans Sky, Thief, or any other game in the last 5 years on Linux with out it crashing, looking up, or doing some other strange shit.

      I wish you people would give that "windows is spyware" bullshit a rest. Windows isn't collecting your bank account information, your social security number, or even your porn collection. You are simply not that important.

      If you are running the home versions then it will collect some shit but that is the price you pay for running a cheap ass version. If you are running pro are above you can turn all that shit off.

      So just give that line of bullshit a rest. If you don't like windows fine but be honest about it. No need to make shit up because it makes you feel better.

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    11. Re:Gnome? Why... by Trogre · · Score: 1

      Any game?

      Ark Survival and Minecraft both work at least as well, if not better, under Linux than Windows.

      Your move (of the goalposts, that is).

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    12. Re:Gnome? Why... by jwhyche · · Score: 2

      Keep grasping at straws, that is just fine. Here is a simple fact. Linux sucks for playing games. End of discussion.

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  2. sweet by Osgeld · · Score: 1

    As a person who primarily works on desktops and workstations I am glad they improved the battery life of my xeon workstation

    1. Re: sweet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, right, nobody believes you actually work

    2. Re:sweet by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      ... battery life of your xeon workstation?

      The AC above did not see what you did, there.

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    3. Re:sweet by samwichse · · Score: 1

      You kid, but that battery life improvement comes from better power management.

      So you're probably saving energy, at least.

      Sam

    4. Re:sweet by vux984 · · Score: 1

      Why not? It cuts your power bill; x however many workstations you have. That's just free cost savings, for some that can add up. Globally, any improvement adds up.

      You get a some more time on the batteries and diesel backup generator when the power goes out too.

      Maybe they aren't not the most important features, but they rank far more important to me than almost* everything in the Windows 10 update... "Nearby Sharing" ??? WTF... pass.

      * - Shutting up pointless windows defender notifications is a plus.

    5. Re:sweet by lexman098 · · Score: 1

      Well shit, you should write them a letter and tell the devs to quit working on stuff that doesn't impact you specifically.

  3. "Silly tweaks" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...like auto-suspending after 20 minutes even when plugged in or the system is a desktop, or ignoring the "don't show lock screen" configuration option.

    1. Re:"Silly tweaks" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What? You mean that Gnome still has configuration options?

  4. Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Two days ago I installed the beta, where kernel-4.16.5 was missing its corresponding -devel package, necessitating a rollback.
    Wow, that went stable quick! (Yes, it's now all in a consistent state, naturally!)

    Captcha: unprimed

  5. *chirp* *chirp* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Featuring Gnome"? Isn't that an oxymoron? I guess the crickets here are reply enough.

  6. An easy and elegant way to use your computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    That's what gnome says on their website - a big fat LIE. Removing API for tray icons and crappy tablet interface I can only conclude Gnome is crap. Luckily I moved to Cinnamon. That's where my donations are going now.

    1. Re:An easy and elegant way to use your computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used Windows 10, it Just Works. Free updates too, it goes from better to best. this is all just copycat stuff.

    2. Re:An easy and elegant way to use your computer by ausekilis · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I still think it's hilarious that people think Gnome is clunky then sing the virtues of Cinnamon. Considering Cinnamon depends on Gnome 3. Sure, the look and feel is more like Gnome 2, but it's still Gnome "under the hood".

      Personally, I like how Gnome3 stays out of your way when doing something. After installing a few plugins and learning a few shortcut keys, I'm just as productive as I was in Gnome 2 or in KDE.

    3. Re:An easy and elegant way to use your computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I still think it's hilarious that people think Gnome is clunky then sing the virtues of Cinnamon. Considering Cinnamon depends on Gnome 3. Sure, the look and feel is more like Gnome 2, but it's still Gnome "under the hood".

      s/depends on/was forked from/g

      You think it's hilarious that GNOME 3 was so crappy that Mint had to fork it in order to make it work like GNOME 2?

      Yeah, ha ha ha ha ha, the GNOME developers wasting everybody's time. Woo boy, that's funny AF.

      Fuck GNOME. Long live Cinnamon.

    4. Re: An easy and elegant way to use your computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you like that laggy xaml start menu?

      Give me back that win32 quickness plz.

    5. Re: An easy and elegant way to use your computer by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      That shit's pinned program list gets corrupted quite often, requiring this Powershell command for a fix. Also, the interface as a whole is ugly and amateurish, but at least WindowBlinds mitigates that. Regardless, I'm probably going back to 7 as soon as I backup my disk.

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    6. Re:An easy and elegant way to use your computer by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      When people say "Gnome is clunky", I think they mostly mean the Activities menu, which has a rather unusual and confusing design. Cinnamon has a traditional applications menu instead, so that's not an issue.

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      Circumcision is child abuse.
    7. Re:An easy and elegant way to use your computer by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Well, if I were to use Gnome3, I'd certainly use Cinnamon as the GUI. Actually, however, I'm using Mate. I considered xfce, KDE4, and lxde. but Mate suited my needs best. Gnome3 is so bad that it wasn't worth considering. Cinnamon was mainly OK, but I didn't like the way it handled menubars...probably because of the Gnome3 underpinning.

      FWIW, last year up until around the middle of the year I preferred KDE4, but then they made some change (I've forgotten what) that caused me to switch. I haven't seen a reason to experiment with switching back to see whether they've fixed things. I do occasionally think I ought to check out lxqt, but I haven't done so yet.

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      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
    8. Re: An easy and elegant way to use your computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I really like Gnome 3. Itâ(TM)s responsive and looks good. Donâ(TM)t know what theyâ(TM)re smoking with that folding icon tray in the bottom corner tho. I immediately install Topicons Plus.

    9. Re:An easy and elegant way to use your computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do Mate's file manager, document reader (evince), text editor (gedit?) use Gnome 3 default UI style (ugly CSD and all that)?

      I was a happy XFCE user back then, until Gnome folks ruined evince, and gedit, and IIRC thunar (xfce file manager) with their stupid CSD. But I heard XFCE folks did awesome work to undo the damage. But I already switched to KDE and happy with it.

    10. Re:An easy and elegant way to use your computer by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Well, actually I use the Dolphin (KDE) file manager. I occasionally use PCManFM, and it's OK, but not as useful for my purposes. (I never remember why I don't like it until after using it for awhile.) But I do think it's comparatively ugly. That, however, isn't why I don't use it.
       

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    11. Re:An easy and elegant way to use your computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mate has atril instead of evince : it's a fork of evince 2.x.
      pluma replaces gedit : it's a fork of gedit 2.x, again. Caja is the file manager, basically nautilus 2.x but ported to GTK3 since.
      What's more Linux Mint forked those anyway : xed, xviewer (eye of mate), xreader (atril/evince). I suppose or hope they backport things back and forth with the Mate accessories. I think "pix" is a fork of g-thumb.
      Linux Mint did those minor forks because they wanted to share them between the Cinnamon and Mate desktops, and also XFCE.

      The common theme between those is, indeed, to have GTK3 applications that nonetheless still use the "File Edit View..." menu bar and not some dumbed down thing copied by OSX / MacOS.
      You can also look at the applications of LXDE (GTK2) and LXQt (QT 5), they have very similar goals and are very desktop independent (although e.g. leafpad is an extremely basic text editor)

    12. Re:An easy and elegant way to use your computer by Trogre · · Score: 1

      I think you're confusing Gnome 3 with Gnome Shell.

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      "Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
    13. Re:An easy and elegant way to use your computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Gnome3 stays out of your way when doing something

      By hiding the launcher, all desktop icons and any system tray written in the last 20 years. Brilliant!

  7. "Harcore GNOME fans"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Link?

  8. Like Everybody Else.. by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'll wait for the XFCE version.

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  9. My 0.02 by DaMattster · · Score: 2

    I am not celebrating this because GNOME is now just about completely dependent on systemd. I don't even use systemd, let alone Linux. I am an OpenBSD user and for the longest time, I really liked GNOME. Now, I just use XFCE.

    1. Re:My 0.02 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, too bad for you. According to L.P. and friends, you Don't Matter.

      As for me, I was already avoiding Gnome well before it got system'd. It turned me off when it hit version 2.0.

    2. Re:My 0.02 by thegarbz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      GNOME does not depend on systemd. It depends on the functionality provided by systemd-logind which was formerly provided by consolekit. Now if you feel strongly about not using systemd-logind then why not get a campaign going to revive and bring consolekit up to modern standards, or better yet implement the API alternatively.

    3. Re:My 0.02 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      GNOME does not depend on systemd. It depends on the functionality provided by systemd-logind

      My car doesn't depend on fossil fuels. It depends on gasoline.

    4. Re:My 0.02 by HiThere · · Score: 1

      You're presuming he feels strongly about using Gnome. Sorry, strongly in favor of using Gnome.

      FWIW, I used Gnome2 as my preferred desktop, but I found Gnome3 unusable. I don't use a tablet, I'm not running on a phone, and I don't have just one application active at a time. Fortunately there are several alternatives, and for me Gnome isn't one of them. It didn't satisfy my minimum requirements. I'd rather use xfwm.

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    5. Re:My 0.02 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no inherent reason why Consolekit cannot be update to serve the functions required by Gnome. The reason why it doesn't is because nobody is willing to invest into making it happen.

    6. Re:My 0.02 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's an updated version of consolekit, it's called consolekit2. But hey, don't let it ruin your narrative.

    7. Re:My 0.02 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a dishonest argument considering systemd is the only provider of the logind API (aside from elogind, in development). Nevermind that the API is dbus-based and you have a better chance of being struck by lightning than for the systemd devs to consider any outside input wrt the API.

      The solution is to not use it at all, or design a simpler, cleaner API.

      Your argument is like saying "you don't depend on air, you depend on oxygen, which is in the air, which is mostly nitrogen." Technically correct, but total nonsequitur and contributes nothing to the discussion.

    8. Re:My 0.02 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rejoice then and wait for the next GNOME version (or backport of those patches): https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=GNOME-Mutter-3.29.1

    9. Re:My 0.02 by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      You're presuming he feels strongly about using Gnome.

      He feels strongly enough to not celebrate a Fedora release because of a single package and then to bitch and moan about it on Slashdot.
      That alone shows a considerable amount of either dedication or an almost clinically alarming level of boredom.

    10. Re:My 0.02 by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      GNome is not Unix based anymore but heavily dependent on Linux with things like ALSA and pulse audio built in. It is a castrated and re-engineered version to get it to even compile on the BSDs.

      I am convinced when it comes to desktop use that you should use Windows or MacOSX and keep the Unixy stuff in a VM or a server. XFCE will work but it a clone of the 25 year old outdated CDE.

      It is so frustrating that KDE killed itself and I do not mean to sound pessimistic or a troll but FreeBSD, Pfsense, and Ubuntu for me have moved to virtual machines since 2011 when Windows 7 came out.

      Is there any real demand or excitement again since 1998 when KDE was announced to create a real modern desktop complete with a notification center 3d acceleration and other things? Not basing it off of Xorg will be a plus too.

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    11. Re:My 0.02 by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Gnome does relay on pulse audio, ALSA, and other Linux oriented things. It is a huge undertaking just to get it compile on anything non linux these days. SystemD integration is another thing. Yes Gimp and other components rely on it and you need custom patches just to disable it.

      I gave up on Linux with the gui for all but a few simple things. KDE won initially in the early 2000s and I see them and gnome shoot themselves in the foot for no reason at all. So frustrating.

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    12. Re:My 0.02 by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Gnome does relay on pulse audio, ALSA, and other Linux oriented things.

      Surprise Gnome, a desktop GUI relies on Pulse Audio, a sound system designed for desktop use in mind.

      and I see them and gnome shoot themselves in the foot

      In what way? Implementing functions of a modern desktop OS, all the while a few users bitch and moan because they don't like someone's name while offering no suitable alternative to the integration?

      If people spent even half as much time creating a usable alternative as they do bitching about dependencies then they wouldn't be in this position. That's fundamentally the power Open Source was supposed to bring.

    13. Re:My 0.02 by HiThere · · Score: 1

      No. He feels strongly about *not* using Gnome. And he also doesn't like systemd. I can agree with both of those points, and still not have any desire to get Gnome to work without systemd. Gnome3 is not Gnome2, or even as good as Gnome1.

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    14. Re:My 0.02 by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      It's open like Windows if you look at it that way. It ties to Linux and not UNIX so it's proprietary like the original poster mentioned with openbsd.

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    15. Re:My 0.02 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read :
      https://groups.google.com/d/topic/soc.culture.usa/_yUag_awzaY
      https://groups.google.com/d/topic/soc.history/mh4dQzniosg
      https://groups.google.com/d/topic/soc.genealogy.britain/O2TxI8JjS2U
      https://groups.google.com/d/topic/alt.atheism/vZzLcrEfWRQ

  10. Well.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a great improvement on F27 that somehow managed to exist without ever being able to boot a Radeon 5770 to the desktop. Now if I could get gnome sounds to play instead of click, I'd be good.

  11. Well, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's already available. https://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/28/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-Xfce-Live-x86_64-28-1.1.iso

    1. Re:Well, by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's already available. https://download.fedoraproject...

      It was a short wait.

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  12. 2018 .... the year of the linux desktop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you heard it here first.

  13. A very good reason to ditch Fedora by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 0

    Although I am guessing that configuring it to use a decent desktop environment instead is not all that difficult.

    1. Re:A very good reason to ditch Fedora by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There are a number of spins to choose from, and of course they can all be installed from the package archive after the system has been installed.

      https://spins.fedoraproject.org/

    2. Re:A very good reason to ditch Fedora by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Gnome has been Red Hat's main desktop for over a decade now. Just because you always use a spin doesn't change that. (Actually, I don't like Red Hat because it makes it difficult to access one partition when booted from another partition, which some people find an advantage. But even if I did, I'd prefer to use a spin. I find Gnome3 unusable. But spins are easy.)

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    3. Re:A very good reason to ditch Fedora by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gnome has been Red Hat's main desktop for over a decade now.

      That doesn't mean it's any good. It just means RH is stuck on it.

      Just because you always use a spin doesn't change that.

      Nobody made that claim. But it would be interesting to know what proportion of users goes for the "spins" rather than the standard version and how many users they would have if they weren't so hellbent on making everything depend on GNOME. If it's a significant number, that would be pretty damning for the gnomebrains, no? Not that I reckon they'd understand it though.

    4. Re:A very good reason to ditch Fedora by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Like Ubuntu there are spinoffs with Cinnamon and Mate.

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  14. What is Gnome? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Is Gnome that desktop environment which was ruined by their designers when they decided their target audience was using it via mobile phone? I changed permanently from it to XFCE and have never looked back.

  15. From the folks who thought Systemd rocked by Seven+Spirals · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Also big fans of XML, dbus, Wayland, and a whole truckload of stupid shit. These are the people who Henry Spencer was talking about when he said "those who do not understand Unix are doomed to re-invent it - poorly." They have nearly completed that project. ;-)

  16. Surely... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's the kernel that provides Thunderbolt 3 support. I apologise for calling anybody on here Shirley.

  17. Centos7 plus desktop of your choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sure, Fedora 28 provides a nicely wrapped up package with a lot of good whiz bang for the buck. Many things fixed. Many things new. Good stuff.

    But before long, you'll find that it's been abandoned for the next Fedora. No more updates, no more new stuff to the OS install you put love and blood into. Then you have to decide if the next version offers you anything that you NEED (like say security updates) and if it's worth the risk of toasting your current setup with an upgrade. I mean, the next version 'may' upgrade nicely. It happens all the time. Most of the time...

    Or you could go with something stable like Cento7 and install your favourite desktop. To be fair, this can be more work up front, but not a lot. True, there may be some bleeding edge Linux software you can't find in the repos here, but it's pretty rare and you probably already know it if you need it. Then sit back for year after year after year of stable updates, bug fixes and security patches. Without having to disrupt your world every every 6 months.

    But hey, if you're only into today's flavour of Linux and plan to blow it away with something else after a couple of weeks then yeah Fedora 28!

    1. Re:Centos7 plus desktop of your choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you by change a C++ dev? ;)

      In reality, Fedora release suppor is 18 months, not six months, and running a distribution upgrade from 27->28 is relatively painless, if a bit time consuming depending on packages installed/upgraded.

      Lots of reasons to hate Fedora and Redhat but a limited lifespan of a version is not a good one. Or do you post this same venomous crap for every linux distro released that isn't a rolling-release distro (you mut also hate Ubuntu/Suse/Debian)? And do you then complain about the versions of those packages in the rolling-release distro being 'too up to date'?

      I can appreciate stability but most people with a desktop don't need or want CentOS level stability.

      I use arch on my machine because its been on there for a long time now and I'm quite lazy to reinstall...but tend to put Fedora or 'family/friend' linux boxen as its much easier to maintain and fix, or maybe that's just my paranoia from running RHEL over the years at work. It used to be Mandrake. Probably another distro you hated, since it was also supported for 18 months, if you were even linux aware back when it was still called Mandrake...

      You could also, you know, set a /home partition that is separate from everything else so if you do actually need tor reinstall, you don't lose much..

  18. whore of Siam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pure Gnome experience ... haha ... ha hahahahahahahahahah .... get it ---- p-u-r-e systemD espionage while de Poettering twins be fucking yo bytesize Linux azzwhole like the whore of Siam. Pure marketing drool Poettering et al said years ago for the RedHat ansatz into screen real-estate.

  19. Favorite feature? by WinXP+the+Pooh · · Score: 0

    "GNOME 3.28 adds the capability to favorite files, folders, and contacts for easier organization and access."

    Is this like bookmarks but done the Microsoft way? Or did the Gnome folks just come up with the desktop equivalent of GMail's multiple tag scheme?

  20. Just say "Fuck You" to systemd by Chas · · Score: 0

    Period.

    Do not want this piece of malware on any system I have to deal with.
    I'd rather be ass-raped with a thumb drive with Windows boot media on it.

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    THANK GOD!!!
    1. Re:Just say "Fuck You" to systemd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's unfortunate for you. Systemd isn't so bad once you get the hang of the commands. I don't like the philosophy but run units are actually far more sane than a loose collection of init scripts. I get that its 'reinventing the wheel' but the wheel has been reinvented many times over the years as we get new materials and better ways of doing things.

      Eventually systemd will be replaced by systemcontrol or some or such silly name and all the people will become systemcontrol haters and say things like 'at least with systemd you could do X'.

      If you'd rather be 'ass-raped by a thumb drive with Windows boot media on it', aside from the Freudian-based observations I could make, it tells me your opinion is more about What you like and not about What works or What is free. Also that you're old, can't learn new tricks, don't want to learn new tricks, and consider anything you don't understand malware.

      You didn't vote from Trump by chance, did you?

    2. Re:Just say "Fuck You" to systemd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Enjoy your ass-raping, just fuck off and stop whining about systemd.

      Your sort are like the well-known man who went around constantly telling everybody he met that he didn't own a TV.

      Boring, boring, boring!

  21. No silly tweaks enabled by default by jfjuneau · · Score: 1

    By "silly tweaks" he's probably referring to the default GNOME 3 experience in Ubuntu 17.10 and 18.04, which in my book is how GNOME 3 should be out of the box. I almost gave up on GNOME 3 a couple of months ago but after trying Ubuntu 17.10 I changed my mind. Everything I hate about GNOME 3 is fixed in Ubuntu: you have tray icons, desktop icons, minimize buttons, fixed task bar, etc. Ubuntu saved GNOME 3's ass from a user's perspective, they should be thankful.

    1. Re:No silly tweaks enabled by default by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think raw Gnome 3 has some Windows 3.1 kind of elegance. I only used version 3.2 for a few minutes (back when it was really hated, but 3.2 was better than 3.0), and on a desktop not a laptop.
      Ironically it has or had qualities of a minimal desktop where things sort of click in.
      Why I never ran it on *my* computers is it's such a CPU and RAM hog (ditto Cinnamon), I might have run it if I had 16GB RAM and a quad thread or better CPU.
      Because, even if I have 8GB RAM I will just flood it with browser tabs and crap (or even actual applications) till swap hell, so I 'd rather want the desktop closer to 100MB RAM than 1GB RAM. On top of that I don't want to buy an SSD, because last time I had a 120GB drive I was running Windows 98.