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Some YouTube Stars Are Being Paid To Sell Academic Cheating (bbc.com)

A BBC investigation has found that more than 250 YouTube channels are being paid to sell academic cheating. Specifically, they are promoting EduBirdie, which allows students to buy essays, rather than doing the work themselves. From the report: The BBC Trending investigation uncovered more than 1,400 videos with a total of more than 700 million views containing EduBirdie adverts selling cheating to students and school pupils. EduBirdie is based in Ukraine, but aims its services at pupils and students across the globe. Essay writing services are not illegal, but if students submit work they have paid for someone else to do the penalties can be severe. The company is not just aiming to capture the attention of university students with its advertising. Popular YouTubers, some as young as 12, are being paid to personally endorse the service. In some of the videos YouTubers say if you cannot be bothered to do the work, EduBirdie has a "super smart nerd" who will do it for you. The adverts appear in videos on YouTube channels covering a range of subjects, including pranks, dating, gaming, music and fashion. Following the BBC's investigation, both have now removed videos with EduBirdie adverts from YouTube. A YouTube spokesman told the BBC: "YouTube creators may include paid endorsements as part of their content only if the product or service they are endorsing complies with our advertising policies. We will be working with creators going forward so they better understand that in video promotions must not promote dishonest activity."

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  1. Who helped Moscow Donald cheat on his exams? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    That treasonous dunce can't even get away with colluding with Russia's attack on America without leaving an incriminating trail of emails from his idiot son to a person who identified herself as a representative aiding in Russia's assistance to Trump.

    This is basic stuff. Rich white dumbfuck affirmative action will only get you so far. There is no way this retard finished a university degree without cheating.

    1. Re:Who helped Moscow Donald cheat on his exams? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well .... the real helpers were the DNC for forcing a candidate that was universally hated and had a history of losing every time she ran for an elected position

  2. Cheating is stupid by mark-t · · Score: 1

    Because eventually, you'll end up in a situation where the option to cheat won't be available, and you'll be exposed for not knowing your shit, or else you'll be caught, and then the jig's up. Any trust that anyone may have placed in you up until that point is shot to hell.

    In theory it might give you a moderate head start at certain things, but in the long run it's so self-defeating as to not be worth the effort taken to conceal it.

    1. Re:Cheating is stupid by Krishnoid · · Score: 4, Funny

      Because eventually, you'll end up in a situation where the option to cheat won't be available, and you'll be exposed for not knowing your shit, or else you'll be caught, and then the jig's up. Any trust that anyone may have placed in you up until that point is shot to hell.

      "Congratulations on your promotion."

    2. Re:Cheating is stupid by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As an engineer, I will never be in a position of being "exposed" for being unable to write a good essay about Shakespeare's "Midsummer night's dream". Real life is not like college.

      You are also presuming that people cheat because they can't do the work. I think I actually could write a good essay about MSND if I cared to. I just preferred to devote time to things that actually mattered, like my engineering courses.

    3. Re: Cheating is stupid by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Furthermore, I doubt if any of the 'cheat' services could provide material to cheat at engineering courses. Sure, we all see the obvious requests for 'help on a project' in programming and embedded design forums where the asker is looking for somebody to hand them a turnkey solution, but that's not the same thing.

    4. Re:Cheating is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And you are presuming that people only cheat on exams that don't matter to their main field of study.

    5. Re:Cheating is stupid by 50000BTU_barbecue · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "I just preferred to devote time to things that actually mattered, like my engineering courses."

      A Midsummer Night's Dream was written over four hundred years ago. Care to tell us what you're working on now that people in 2418 will talk about?

      Still think what you're doing matters?

      This contemptuous and dismissive arrogance from engineers whose only contributions are to next year's e-waste is tiresome.

      And I work in engineering.

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    6. Re:Cheating is stupid by gweihir · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You are also presuming that people cheat because they can't do the work. I think I actually could write a good essay about MSND if I cared to. I just preferred to devote time to things that actually mattered, like my engineering courses.

      One of the time-honored excuses of cheaters. Turns out, they usually are quite wrong with their self-evaluation. Arrogance and stupidity have synergistic effects.

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    7. Re: Cheating is stupid by gweihir · · Score: 1

      I think they will be able to in the future, if they not already do it. The consequences will fortunately be a disaster for the student, because cheating in engineering subjects does not get you very far.

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    8. Re:Cheating is stupid by mark-t · · Score: 1

      I'm saying only that cheating requires invoking a deception, one which might bear a striking resemblance to fraud, and that the effort that one must go through to maintain the deception is nowhere nearly worth the loss of trust that one experiences if or when their lack of integrity is discovered.

      While specific examples of cheating may exist where it was sustained for a prolonged time, a cheater actually has no real ability to actually prevent discovery of the truth about themselves at any given moment, and as such it may as well be considered inevitable.

    9. Re:Cheating is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ...that's kinda their point.

      We're not here trying to make a living selling something that will outlive ourselves, we're not putting our mark on things or having eloquent phrasing.

      We're making a living designing and planning things that have to last a fixed duration, with regular maintenance.

      The two are different it's kinda mind-boggling. I've gotten in trouble at IT jobs before for using words that were 'too complicated' or 'too subtle' before, so yeah I tend to write ticket updates like a redneck hillbilly writing a daily journal about how their cows are doing instead.

      Because that's what pays the bills.

      - WolfWings, too lazy to login to /. in far too long.

    10. Re:Cheating is stupid by mark-t · · Score: 2
      I know that some people will go to enormous lengths to lie or cheat... but in the end, if they are caught, such efforts are invariably not worth it. In some cases, one could even be exposing themselves to legal repercussions for deliberate misrepresentation.

      Building a career out of lying and cheating is like trying to hold build a dam out of rotted wood. Failure is often both catastrophic and impossible to recover from.

    11. Re:Cheating is stupid by sexconker · · Score: 2

      Essays are stupid unless you're going to write essays for a living.
      90% of all assignments in school (from kindergarten through college) are busy work at best.

    12. Re:Cheating is stupid by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Counterargument: Trump.

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    13. Re:Cheating is stupid by war4peace · · Score: 1

      How about this:
      Back in the day, when i was in school, I had to write essays on various things dead people wrote. I was good at it and got high grades. But after a while the tasks became boring as hell. I was still able to write a good essay, but it was painfully dull to do it.
      At the time there was no Internet to speak of in my country and essay services were definitely not invented (probably not for another decade). So I simply stopped doing it. Told my parents and my teachers I literally don't want to d it anymore. eventually, after a few bad grades, they got fed up with my stubbornness and left me be.
      Since then I wrote two novels and a poems book, haven't published any because I underestimate their value (according to people who did read them). And yeah, I work in IT.

      Now, I'm sure I'm not unique and there are many others like me, who are perfectly able to write decently on a variety of subjects, but don't feel like doing so because they're not interested in the subject.

      One more thing: school usually teaches you to write extensively on a subject, but writing a summary is next-to-impossible for most people. "Describe this book in 200 words or less" is a nightmare :)

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    14. Re:Cheating is stupid by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Damn, someone should go ahead and tell that to all CEOs, politicians and salesmen.

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    15. Re: Cheating is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I doubt if anybody's undergraduate essay on Shakespeare's play will mean much of anything to anybody even a century from now.

    16. Re:Cheating is stupid by 50000BTU_barbecue · · Score: 1

      "Engineering saves lives"

      To do what with that life? So you can live to be entertained, read books, watch movies, listen to music?

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    17. Re:Cheating is stupid by 50000BTU_barbecue · · Score: 1

      "Are you serious? If I'm going to university for engineering, I'm going to focus on that and not care about MSND."

      You have the mind of a child. Your university will be over in four years. Then what? You stop thinking and learning and just apply the few things you'll remember like a robot?

      What good are you?

      "Why is it pissing on other people's fields when I have no interest in learning about it?"

      What good are you?

      " is him saying he devoted things that mattered to him and his future prospects."

      You'll notice that he didn't say that, you added it, you lying twat.

      "You're out of your mind."

      I don't make stuff up and twist people's words to fit my needs. That's probably why you can't hack an English lit class, you can't read, and you can't express yourself clearly.

      A bright future in engineering is ahead for you!

      That is, until you hit 40, or have more than 50% white hairs on your head.

      Then we'll see.

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    18. Re:Cheating is stupid by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Then don't fucking piss on and look down on other people's fields.

      Then they shouldn't be forcing their field on me. I don't force English majors to learn differential equations, so why should they force me to write essays on "Shakespeare and the Semicolon"?

    19. Re:Cheating is stupid by Potor · · Score: 1

      As if engineering has nothing to do with entertainment, and literature nothing to do with saving lives.

      It is a shame that your education has stultified you so much.

    20. Re:Cheating is stupid by Potor · · Score: 1

      You should not be at university if your interest is simply engineering, but rather a trade school.

    21. Re:Cheating is stupid by another_twilight · · Score: 4, Insightful

      so why should they force me to write essays on "Shakespeare and the Semicolon"

      Because we're only a step or two away from a plains ape and have trouble forming personal connections with more than about 200-300 people. We've some biological wiring that gets worked up about 'other' and 'outsider'. Shared culture helps. It teaches or reminds us of the values that we share. It means that if I meet someone from someplace I've never been, that I can make some assumptions about how they will act and behave based on shared values. It's not perfect, but it's what we've got.

      You don't have to look at the elements that are important in building or defining that culture. You can pick most of it up second hand, so to speak, but living in and among people who have been shaped by exposure to those elements, but when the aim of education in more than just learning a skill, but is also about producing members of society who are well educated, then taking at least a minor look at some of the more influential elements and how they have come to be that way is useful.

      Your essay on Shakespeare isn't the equivalent of a differential equation. It's closer to multiplication. It's basic, high school stuff.

    22. Re:Cheating is stupid by Potor · · Score: 1

      Engineering arguably does not belong at a university, unlike math. And every student should be forced to take math.

    23. Re:Cheating is stupid by another_twilight · · Score: 2

      Essays are a way of demonstrating an ability to organise your thoughts and present them in a cogent and organised fashion.

      That you missed the principle behind the examples doesn't mean that it wasn't there.

    24. Re:Cheating is stupid by MorePower · · Score: 1

      You should not be at university if your interest is simply engineering, but rather a trade school.

      I don't agree with the original poster's opinion on learning about Shakespeare, but that statement is flat out stupid. They don't teach engineering in trade schools, they teach trades there. Engineering is based mostly on differential equations, which are generally only taught at Universities.

    25. Re:Cheating is stupid by Potor · · Score: 1

      You can take engineering at community college.

      I can give you a list of CC engineering programs with calculus courses.

    26. Re:Cheating is stupid by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      for being unable to write a good essay about Shakespeare's "Midsummer night's dream". Real life is not like college.

      Given your capitalization, maybe you should have spent more time working on that.

      Programming is not a lone activity anymore. You write code in a way that other people will understand it. Understanding literature will help you write better code, for that reason.

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    27. Re:Cheating is stupid by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      I was still able to write a good essay, but it was painfully dull to do it.

      Probably not. If you aren't interested in your own writing, no one else will be.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    28. Re:Cheating is stupid by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      If you don't like Shakespeare, you are missing out. I am sorry for you.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    29. Re:Cheating is stupid by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Well, it is hard to find engineers who are halfway decent at writing documentation...

    30. Re:Cheating is stupid by MorePower · · Score: 1

      Ah, fair point. I forgot about community colleges. But those are generally modeled as the first half of university (at least for university type subjects like engineering). You still can't take engineering courses at a trade school, unless you are calling CCs "trade schools". They do kind of have one foot in both camps.

    31. Re:Cheating is stupid by another_twilight · · Score: 1

      My comment was about the utility of essay writing as a means of learning and then demonstrating an ability to organise and express ideas.

      You introduced Shakespeare, attributed it to me and then made a non-sequiter about the utility of your code versus Shakespeare's work.

      I rather think you've proved my point for me.

    32. Re: Cheating is stupid by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      I will merely add to your comment that those lone wolf programmers that still exist who are worth mentioning, they typically have clear minded code that shows good communication skills.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    33. Re:Cheating is stupid by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      As an engineer, I will never be in a position of being "exposed" for being unable to write a good essay about Shakespeare's "Midsummer night's dream". Real life is not like college.

      One thing I remember about essay writing is that it was marked based on the ability to form a coherent argument and get it across simply on paper. Based on some of the engineering recommendations I have seen in my time, a lot of you should have paid more attention in college, even if you didn't think the topic at hand was relevant, the skills that you were being assessed on were.

      I just preferred to devote time to things that actually mattered, like my engineering courses.

      This attitude often gets corrected in the real world when the person is limited in their field because the things they deemed unimportant actually turned out to matter quite a bit.

    34. Re:Cheating is stupid by alok_naik · · Score: 1

      Why do you say that? Do you mean to say I must necessarily be passionate about everything I am good at?

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    35. Re: Cheating is stupid by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      If you can't find something interesting about a topic, how will you be able to present something interesting about it to someone else? Your lack of interest will show through in your writing.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    36. Re: Cheating is stupid by alok_naik · · Score: 1

      That's an assumption, isn't it? Let's say I'm good at baking bread. I don't find it interesting because I really wanted to be a writer instead; but everyone who tastes my bread is ecstatic about it. How does my interest in baking make any difference to the outcome? Or would you like to argue that writing is more creative than baking and should be treated differently? How about making movies or playing the piano?

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    37. Re: Cheating is stupid by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Your lack of interest will show through in your writing.

      Only if you're a bad writer.

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    38. Re: Cheating is stupid by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      If you're a good writer and don't care maybe your writing will hit the high level of grocery store novel. But you won't hit the quality of Stephen King.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    39. Re: Cheating is stupid by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      If you don't enjoy playing the piano your playing will be trash. Robotic and derivative.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    40. Re:Cheating is stupid by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Writing essays on subjects unrelated to your core ones is to give up experience working outside your comfort zone and see how you cope with radically different problems.

      It's annoying, but chances are you will need to learn new radically different concepts during your working life too.

      University used to be even more abstract. My mum has a degree in Latin. A dead language. It was popular back then because it demonstrated your ability to learn to a high standard and to think logically, and companies were willing to provide training based on that.

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    41. Re:Cheating is stupid by lucasnate1 · · Score: 1

      Can I please see your poems or part of your novel? You made me curious.

    42. Re: Cheating is stupid by edtice1559 · · Score: 1

      I imagine that this is happening way more than one would guess based on the OPs observations. Asking for a solution on stack overflow is cheating for the lazy. There are plenty of platforms out there where you could hire somebody as a consultant to do a project and they might not even realize that they're doing homework and facilitating cheating.

    43. Re:Cheating is stupid by edtice1559 · · Score: 1

      I don't think anybody will be "exposed" but I certainly know a lot of people who can write Java code with the best of them but can't communicate in human languages with anybody. Doing their MSND homework probably would have been of great benefit to them more so than learning yet another programming language.

    44. Re:Cheating is stupid by mark-t · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying it can't work in specific circumstances, only that its ability to work cannot actually be manipulated by the liar or cheater. If you'll forgive me for paraphrasing an X-files tagline, the truth is still out there... and while dishonesty can certainly sometimes be quite successful in the short term, it is ultimately not indefinitely sustainable, and its failure may as well be perceived as inevitable. The best a would-be cheater can hope for is to never be discovered before they die, which might happen... but then again, might not. There's no way for the cheater to help or control it.

    45. Re: Cheating is stupid by gweihir · · Score: 1

      When I did my CS studies, only around 50% made it to year 3. There was a large exam after the first 2 years back then. From a totally non-scientific survey of the fellow students I knew, most cheaters on the exercises did not make it and a few made it only after they had repeated a full year. Those that fought through the exercises themselves mostly made it.

      It was later explained to me that the exercise were only graded to provide good preparation for the exams and to make it clear they are to be taken seriously. I totally agree on that. Unfortunately, that system was scrapped a few years later and the exams were made a lot easier. Not good at all.

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    46. Re:Cheating is stupid by Hallux-F-Sinister · · Score: 1

      As an engineer, I will never be in a position of being "exposed" for being unable to write a good essay about Shakespeare's "Midsummer night's dream". Real life is not like college.

      You are also presuming that people cheat because they can't do the work. I think I actually could write a good essay about MSND if I cared to. I just preferred to devote time to things that actually mattered, like my engineering courses.

      Funny how you, as a student, think you're in a position to decide what things "actually matter" in your education. As a fellow engineering student, I wonder what other shortcuts you'd like to take because you, while still presumably being in the middle of your education, also think don't matter. As you work on some design, ask yourself if the person who designed your safety equipment that you'll use while inspecting some large, heavy thing that hangs over your head, for example, thought that "Mechanics of Materials" didn't really matter.

      The reason your college degree, the certification that it represents that you have a complete, and well-rounded education, having both breadth and depth, (as I think they used to call it,) has classes you don't think matter built into it, may be, among other possible reasons, is to show you have passed a test (in the broader sense, not in the "take out a number-two pencil and clear off your desks," sense, to see if you're even CAPABLE of expending effort in directions you personally think are useless, like reading, considering, and interpreting the meaning, and writing on the subject of, for example, some randomly selected play of William Shakespeare's, such as Midsummer Night's Dream. Or to see if you trust the people who have defined the parameters of what you must accomplish for them to grant you that certification that you're properly educated, and will do what you're told even when you don't like it.

      ... and if your response here is any real indication, these are tests you have failed. I only hope I never have occasion to need to use, or to depend upon anything you've "engineered". I prefer the people whose efforts I place my trust in NOT to have cheated on things they, in their limited opinions, thought didn't "actually matter".

      If you're still not convinced, suppose you are seeing a doctor, and that doctor was studying to be a gynecologist, and you have early symptoms of prostate cancer. Your doctor, let's say, farmed out a paper she had to write on issues concerning male anatomy because she thought she'd reserve her time in medical school to things that "actually mattered," like gynecology. BUT she couldn't get a job at the hospital where she wanted to work as a gynecologist, as they already had plenty, so instead she's a General Practitioner. So she misses your prostate cancer symptoms, not having studied the prostate, or testicles, or anything else you have. 6 months later, you end up having to have your prostate and both testicles removed because the cancer spread, which if it had been caught 6 months earlier, could have all been avoided with maybe a tiny laparoscopic surgery, and a single round of chemo.

      The moral of the story is, don't cheat, because if you do, you'll get prostate cancer and have your balls cut off.

      Okay, maybe that's not exactly the moral... but hopefully you get my point. Read your damned Shakespeare, and do your own fucking homework, bro.

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    47. Re:Cheating is stupid by war4peace · · Score: 1

      They're in Romanian mostly but I have a couple attempts in English. See below an example:

                  Logoi Spermatikoi

      The seed of knowledge do we seek
      Until our hearts lay broken dead;
      We never ever reach our peek,
      And skies go black, and stars go red...

      The seed of flesh do we accuse
      To carry us to nowhere's land;
      But who's to blame, tell me, my muse?
      The corpse of Hope lies in our hand...

      We are all doomed to never find
      The beauty that we couldn't see;
      As blindness covers all mankind
      And Hybris lurks in you, in me...

      There is no love, there is just pain
      And to the one who seeks his God
      I speak and say he'll search in vain
      As diamonds die soon in mud... ...But my beseech has come to end...
      We feel no more, we sell, we buy,
      We build machines and wreck the Mind
      And let the Mankind Spirit die...

      We die by our only hand
      And stars are weeping every night;
      Who cares? Who sees? The promised land
      Is dead: We brought him under blight...

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    48. Re: Cheating is stupid by war4peace · · Score: 1

      For sure I won't... because I don't care :)

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    49. Re: Cheating is stupid by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Of course if you have a counterexample of writing that someone didn't care about that turned out really good, I am happy to revise my opinion.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    50. Re: Cheating is stupid by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      You get out of it what you put into it. If you are in the class anyway, find something interesting in it, and it will be easier and you will enjoy it more.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    51. Re: Cheating is stupid by war4peace · · Score: 1

      I had mentioned it: my essays back in the day, before I said "no more".

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    52. Re:Cheating is stupid by another_twilight · · Score: 1

      We're moving a little away from the essay = good/bad, but with respect to Shakespeare;

      Whether you like Shakespeare or not, or are even just ambivalent, his work is incredibly influential on the English speaking culture. Being exposed to that, having at least an understanding if not interest or appreciation helps to create a more rounded education.

      More, exposing yourself to things you don't particularly like on a regular basis helps stop the shrinking of the comfort zone over time. I'm not talking about doing things you actively dislike, but if you only do those things you are good at, or engage in those things you like, the list of both dwindles over time and your ability to deal with new situations atrophies.

      Interested people are interesting. People who challenge themselves on a regular basis retain the ability to deal with new or less-than-comfortable situations. Broadly educated people bring insight and out-of-the-box ideas to even their main fields of interest.

      To quote Heinlein 'specialisation is for insects.'

    53. Re: Cheating is stupid by another_twilight · · Score: 1

      Uh, Shakespeare is Western culture. It's not universal.

      I have no idea what this is responding to. I answered a question about why someone should write an essay on Shakespeare.

      Shakespeare's works are important and influential elements of English speaking culture and hence to a lesser degree Western culture more generally. Understanding that is a useful element of a broad education.

      universities

      Which universities? All? Some? A hand-wave?

      are ridding themselves

      I think that there is a need for both conservative (in a literal resisting change meaning of the word) and progresive/reactionary (advocating change) tensions within society. Exaggerating the change you object to without reason or even argument is hollow and essentially meaningless.

      of in favor of hard left literature

      OMG, universities are left-leaning. News at 11. Probable conservative labeling anything that isn't conservative as 'hard left'. More mock surprise.

      The sooner dead white European males are banished from the canon, the better, amirite?

      No. Not 'rite'. But perhaps you've been comfortable so long that any change is terrifying.

    54. Re: Cheating is stupid by gweihir · · Score: 1

      You have no clue what you are talking about. This was a 4.5 year program, with an actual average of 5.5 years to completion. An no, it was _not_ in the US.

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    55. Re: Cheating is stupid by alok_naik · · Score: 1

      That's as assumption as well. When you listen to non-live music, how would you even know whether it was created by a person or a "robot"? Do you claim to be able to tell the difference?

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    56. Re:Cheating is stupid by turneralanna12 · · Score: 1

      If I need help editing my statement of purpose. Can I apply to sop editing services http://ask4essay.com/i-need-he... or editing and proofreading is also illegal?

  3. Not an insurmountable problem by alvinrod · · Score: 1

    I think there are some easy technical solutions that can get around this problem. Just provide students with an online platform (you could even use a git repository or something similar) where they can upload their work in progress or even edit it in real time in a Google Docs type of environment. This is probably a better system than one large, final delivery anyways as it allows for feedback and discussion. It also is more likely to get students started on time if there are milestone requirements. Cheating becomes a lot easier to detect when someone with an IP from Estonia is trying to connect to the system. You could probably even create some agents that analyze the input as its being created to look for suspicious patterns such as someone pasting in large chunks of text or just typing the whole thing in without ever making corrections, modifications, etc. that would suggest you're not just manually typing something that came from a paper someone else gave you.

    So much of that can be automated that it likely means that instructors can focus more on the content and working with students instead of having to worry about plagiarism, which can be difficult for humans to detect unless it's particularly blatant. A system like this might even provide some utility to students if it gets them to actually do some of their own work and develop their skills.

    1. Re:Not an insurmountable problem by Spamalope · · Score: 1

      And you can force an always on behavioral tracking system that gathers data that can be monetized as well! They'll already be used to the mandatory automated scan systems that require you to agree to give ownership of your work to the 3rd party. This is just one more baby step.

  4. Not illegal by amiga3D · · Score: 2

    So if it's not illegal, why remove the ads? Lots of things that are bad ideas are legal and advertised. Youtube occupies a monopoly position and they're starting to flex their muscle.

    1. Re:Not illegal by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Why not remove the ads? It's bad publicity for Youtube. And bad publicity is usually bad business. Most sites should take care about the ads they choose, protecting their brand.

    2. Re:Not illegal by tribalmixes · · Score: 1

      usually those youtube channels don't know what ads are run on their channels.. this is all still ripples from that stupidity with nazi ads and stuff from weeks ago.. time to start using mp3 converters and forget about youtube...

  5. Nothing of Harm Was Done by DatbeDank · · Score: 1

    I see nothing wrong here. Quite the contrary, it's an excellent example of outsourcing and copyright.

    Better yet, I can edit key parts of it into my own voice and make it even more difficult to prove something was off. I outsource the work and receive a copyright that allows me to claim I wholeheartedly did all of the work myself. Don't come crying about academic dishonesty when the average tuition in a University is what $30k+? And yes, I know the article is about 12-year-olds using it which is hilarious. Stakes are too low, a master's thesis is more appropriate.

    But why pay someone when you can just outline a Wikipedia article, use all of its citations, and rewrite the entire article as your own? Somebody did over half of the work already for free, I might as well get some use out of it. /How I blew through 99% of my libtard arts busy work to focus on what really mattered: beer and women.... erhm math and coding!

    1. Re:Nothing of Harm Was Done by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      I hope I never work with you.

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    2. Re:Nothing of Harm Was Done by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      I see nothing wrong here.

      I think you do, darkly, otherwise you wouldn't be trying so hard to rationalise it. Like, this for example:

      Don't come crying about academic dishonesty when the average tuition in a University is what $30k+?

      Your argument is "there's nothing wrong with cheating and I can cheat so well they can't catch me and anyway people whould be able to cheat because it's expensive".

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  6. Education failure by gweihir · · Score: 1

    The first thing a good education successfully explains to the students is that only doing the work themselves will work. Some will get that, the others are lost to education anyways. And the way to identify the hopeless cases (who usually do not realize what they are) is to have exams where cheating is not possible. That cheating is rampart only illustrates that many educators have gotten lazy on the exams or are prevented from actually failing failed students.

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    1. Re:Education failure by war4peace · · Score: 1

      The first thing a good education successfully explains to the students is that only doing the work themselves will work.

      Totally agree. Now try telling them that writing essay #2349267 on the same opera that's been taught for the last 200 years is meaningful, and why.

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    2. Re:Education failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      When teachers ask questions, they don't do it to learn the answer. This may come as a surprise, but they already know more about the subject than you're going to tell them. Writing essays is like the hundredth push-up. You don't do just one to prove that you can do it, and nobody really needs you to push the floor down. If doing push-ups sounds exhausting to you, you haven't done enough push-ups. If writing an essay, which is a short text, sounds like work to you, you haven't written enough essays. But your job doesn't require you to write essays? Well, it doesn't require you to do push-ups either.

    3. Re:Education failure by war4peace · · Score: 1

      When teachers ask questions, they don't do it to learn the answer. This may come as a surprise, but they already know more about the subject than you're going to tell them.

      Agreed. Hopwever, there are smart questions and stupid questions. There are great homeworks and retarded homeworks. And there are good teachers and bad teachers.

      Writing essays is like the hundredth push-up.

      No, it's not.

      If writing an essay, which is a short text, sounds like work to you, you haven't written enough essays.

      It doesn't sound like work. It sounds terribly boring, though.
      Tell me to write a 10K words literary text on a subject of my choice in 5 days, and I will do it, gleefully.
      Tell me to write a 500-word essay on a given literary text and I will ignore it until the last moment then come up with a decently written essay and hate you for it.

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  7. Meh by WankerWeasel · · Score: 1

    If that's the worst thing they're being paid to sell, I'm not too worried. Sadly, there are far worse items they're paying influencers to hock.

  8. Spat out my coffee... by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...when I read that advertisers "...must not promote dishonest activity." What do they think advertisers do?

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    1. Re:Spat out my coffee... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      ...when I read that advertisers "...must not promote dishonest activity." What do they think advertisers do?

      Advertising is not always dishonest, and in fact in most countries advertising that is wrong or dishonest is actually illegal. Advertisers try and create an emotional tie between a person and a product. If you can't do it with honest facts then maybe you should find a company to work for which actually has a product worth advertising.

    2. Re:Spat out my coffee... by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 1

      Advertising is not always dishonest, and in fact in most countries advertising that is wrong or dishonest is actually illegal. Advertisers try and create an emotional tie between a person and a product. If you can't do it with honest facts then maybe you should find a company to work for which actually has a product worth advertising.

      Technically this is probably true. However, in practice, if there's one thing that advertisers are good at, it's finding ways around laws and regulations about telling the truth. Also, thanks to so called 'light touch' regulation, i.e. no regulation, it means that they can get away with murder.

      And... maybe... politicians are reluctant to call advertisers liars, or at least misleading. You know, after all the crap they often spout themselves. Don't want to start any honesty and transparency campaigns that might come back to bite them, do they?

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    3. Re:Spat out my coffee... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      However, in practice, if there's one thing that advertisers are good at, it's finding ways around laws and regulations about telling the truth.

      Not quite. The laws are often enforced quite strictly and you hear cases about them being enforced constantly. The difference is between being truthful and being morally honest. When you really carefully look into advertising you have to see the subtitles in their message. Next time something talks about being the best, pay the most attention to the words around "best" rather than the word "best" itself. It's these subtleties that make people think that something is a lie when in fact it is the truth.

      I caught out someone yesterday in another thread the same way when when I said "No Android phone on the market is banned by airlines". They predictably countered with the Galaxy Note 7, which I pointed out was withdrawn from sale and isn't on the market. My post was truthful, but morally dishonest :-)

    4. Re:Spat out my coffee... by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 1

      I studied applied linguistics and I've done exhaustive linguisitic analyses of advertising and other genres of language. And yes, while they're technically correct or just plain nonsensical, e.g. "leaves you feeling visibly younger", they still mislead, relying on people's surface reading/listening of the texts. What's important is the communicative intent of the advertisers, which is to mislead/deceive through deliberately engineered texts, and what the majority of readers/listeners understand from it, i.e. not the literal meaning of the text under a critical eye but the 'natural', everyday reading that most people habitually do.

      So yeah, they're still a bunch of lying scumbags.

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    5. Re:Spat out my coffee... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Wholeheartedly agree on the scumbags part. Still, ... not technically lying.

  9. YouTube is sliding rapidly down the slippery slope by Leuf · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The second they started taking responsibility for the content on the platform they put themselves in an unwinnable position. Moderating YouTube is completely, hopelessly impossible. It's like nuclear war, the only way to win is not to play.

    Now they are on defense against every internet investigator looking for the next thing somebody is doing on YouTube that people can get outraged about. The mainstream media sees YouTube as competition for viewers and YouTube has handed them the means to repeatedly wound them.

    They made every channel with fewer than 4000 watch hours and 1000 subscribers lose their monetization and be subjected to review whenever a channel now reaches those thresholds. The original date they were supposed to be caught up with reviewing channels was the end of April. That has now been moved to the end of June. I'm not holding my breath on that.

  10. Re:Maybe They Wouldn't Have This Problem If by another_twilight · · Score: 1

    Ah, the victim blaming defence.

    When seen through a lens of pure fiscal return, universities don't offer good value (in your opinion) therefore breaking the rules is justified.

    I served my time and got my degree.

    And I can see it was worth every cent you paid.

  11. Re:YouTube is sliding rapidly down the slippery sl by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    If they didn't take any responsibility for content beyond what is legally required, how would they make enough money to continue the service?

    I wish there was a way for them to do so, but so far no-one has found it.

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  12. Re:YouTube is sliding rapidly down the slippery sl by edtice1559 · · Score: 1

    I think the real answer to this lies in the original Yahoo! design where you have curated content and then you have uncurated search results. Youtube seems to be going this way. For Youtube kids you can now select to only let your kids watch things that have been manually reviewed. Curation is valuable but it's also expensive which is why algorithms are often preferred. But there's plenty of room for improvement.

  13. FBI tactics by Hallux-F-Sinister · · Score: 1

    I have to wonder why schools don't use the FBI's tactics which they employ to catch would-be "terrorists," namely, flood the market on the Dark Web with offers for all manner of things you'd need to make a dirty bomb, or to convert your AR 15 into a full-blown machine gun, or to make a gun that fires bullets without leaving telltale marks on them, or their fragments, or that sell fertilizer and rental trucks, etc., so that when someone wants to buy some of this, they run a very good chance of trying to buy them from an undercover FBI agent or informant. You know, schools get together and make a slew of websites promising to do your homework for you, or send their own people in to offer to work for such places, writing term papers and the like for students, but also giving a copy to a clearinghouse all the schools can check against to see who is not only cheating, but PAYING someone to help them cheat, so as to put the kibosh on those students, and wreck their little cheating asses, for the sake of the integrity of their institution's education, and to preserve the value of the same for past, current, and prospective future students.

    Or... do they already? How awesome would THAT be? (On behalf of all my fellow students who have NOT cheated, I'd LOVE to see all those who cheated get perp-walked the fuck out of class, and be sent to go flip Wuht-Uh-Burgurs or spend the rest of their lives serving MoreBucks Coffee to those who didn't.)

    This isn't a case of mere resentment, bitterness towards those who have gotten away with antics like these historically, it's the fact that when I finally DO get MY SHEEPSKIN, that I will want that SHEEPSKIN will actually fucking MEAN something!

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  14. For serious disciplines this is not a problem by al0ha · · Score: 1

    As the adage goes, you only cheat yourself. Pretty sure you won't last very long in an occupation that requires proven subject knowledge, so why did you spend that money on getting a fake education? Yeah smart move.

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  15. Re:YouTube is sliding rapidly down the slippery sl by Leuf · · Score: 1

    Adwords has the ability to target specific videos or channels (the channels part doesn't seem to actually work). Advertisers have the ability to make their ads only show up where they whitelist them, if they are concerned about it. This would of course screw over the smaller channels whose videos would never get whitelisted by the big advertisers. But they are even more screwed over now because no one can advertise on them at all.