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Ask Slashdot: Do Citizen Science Platforms Exist? (arstechnica.com)

Loren Chorley writes: After reading about a new surge in the trend for citizen science (also known as community science, civic science or networked science), I was intrigued by the idea and wondered if there are websites that do this in a crowd sourced and open sourced manner. I know sites like YouTube allow people to show off their scientific experiments, but they don't facilitate uploading all their data or linking studies together to draw more advanced conclusions, or making methodologies like you'd see in academia straight forward and available through a simple interface. What about rating of experiments for peer review, revisions and refinement, requirement lists, step-by-step instructions for repeatability, ease of access, and simple language for people who don't find academia accessible? Does something like this exist already? Do you, Slashdot, think this is something useful, or that people are interested in? Or would the potential for fraud and misinformation be too great?

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  1. Lots of them. by HornWumpus · · Score: 4, Funny

    Search for 'flat earth', 'vaccine autism', 'creation science', 'labor economics', 'sociology' etc etc.

    The thing they have in common? The people involved wouldn't know science if it bit them on the ass. Instead they grind axes.

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    1. Re:Lots of them. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I was about to post the url https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Main_Page. Good point about sociology. Plenty of other types of astrology out there, and not just outside of the university. Plenty more people with axes to grind, even some rational ones. Not many places to hide.

    2. Re:Lots of them. by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      Search for 'flat earth', 'vaccine autism', 'creation science', 'labor economics', 'sociology' etc etc.

      ... open job postings at the EPA.

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    3. Re:Lots of them. by gweihir · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unfortunately, that is pretty accurate. Science is a pretty complicated thing in that it requires you to understand why the scientific method works and everything else tried so far fails. You usually do that on a concrete subject and often in the context of a PhD. Just reading up on it is not enough, you have to see it work and have to see the alternatives fail to really understand why it is the only way to do things. Yes, that takes several years of working on one or a small set of closely related problems, but it is neccessary.

      Now, this "Citizen Science" is pretty universally not Science. In the words of the great Feynman, this is "Cargo Cult Science" where people try to follow the rituals without understanding and then expect scientific results to manifest. That does not work. Copying the language, copying the rituals (doing measurements and experiments, papers, conferences, workshops, titles, etc.) does absolutely nothing to make something scientific.

      The second thing "Citizen Scientists" usually fool themselves about is how slow scientific work almost universally is and how little you typically have to show for a lot of work. Hence they often try do do things faster and that universally fails. Because the thing is, if you have a little, incremental, but scientifically sound result, this result will basically stand forever.

      Bottom line: Science is really hard, but it is really easy to fool yourself into thinking you are doing Science when nothing of the sort is true. Also, don't get me wrong, there are lots of people with PhDs and quite a few with professorships, that do not qualify as scientists. But there are basically no people without that PhD that do qualify. It is a necessary step, but not a sufficient one. Yes, I know some people do not want to hear that. Bit these are all people without that PhD, that want to cut that corner. That does not work. And yes, I also realize that this makes Science a club that is very hard to get into. That is unfortunate, and if there were any other known way to do it, I would be all for it. But there is not. There are just a lot of ways to fool yourself because you only see what you were missing in insight when you have gotten it. That is unfortunate as well, but it is how reality presents itself.

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    4. Re:Lots of them. by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Or use it to get funding for their personal rocket. Whatever.

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    5. Re:Lots of them. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gee wizz ... after yet another retirement I thought my two-photon laser light-scattering effort toward Levinthals Paradox was ... at least amusing. Nope, the first tries at 50 mW red/blue failed ... perhaps the next design at 150 mW near-IR/violet will produce a signal-above-noise. Better detectors faster pulses more sympathetic polymers ... improved all along the "tool-chain"; but no-doubt the "gentlemans science " will never produce high-quality signal ...

    6. Re:Lots of them. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Science is a pretty complicated thing in that it requires you to understand why the scientific method works and everything else tried so far fails.

      When did math stop working? Rather odd thing to say when you are not using science to make points, inferences, deductions, and convince others. Clearly you do not believe yourself.

    7. Re: Lots of them. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do you feel the need to mock a legitimate question?

    8. Re:Lots of them. by gweihir · · Score: 1

      "Math" is not the scientific method. It is an result of the application of the scientific method. And it does not apply to reality directly. Some you can apply to reality by use of a translator like Physics, but there is a ton of Math that does actually not apply to physical reality at all.

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    9. Re: Lots of them. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, and the nut jobs who think jet fuel can bring down skyscrapers. Why the demoltion industry could save millions on explosives with this info! LOL

      AE911Truth dot org

    10. Re: Lots of them. by tomhath · · Score: 1

      Because it's a silly question. When you feel the need to qualify the word "Science" with "Citizen" you are admitting that it's different.

    11. Re:Lots of them. by Jahta · · Score: 3, Informative

      Search for 'flat earth', 'vaccine autism', 'creation science', 'labor economics', 'sociology' etc etc.

      The thing they have in common? The people involved wouldn't know science if it bit them on the ass. Instead they grind axes.

      I know this was tagged as "funny", but it's disturbingly close to the truth. At a recent Flat Earth Convention (yes, really) the folks seemed to genuinely believe they were doing legitimate science to "prove" that the earth isn't round. They regard folks who do actual peer-reviewed science as part of some "conspiracy by the elite" and therefore not to be trusted.

    12. Re:Lots of them. by paradigmsareconstruc · · Score: 3

      Re: "The second thing "Citizen Scientists" usually fool themselves about is how slow scientific work almost universally is and how little you typically have to show for a lot of work. Hence they often try do do things faster and that universally fails. Because the thing is, if you have a little, incremental, but scientifically sound result, this result will basically stand forever."

      It's interesting to watch you guys work yourselves towards the "no, not possible" answer. It seems to me that this conclusion is completely dictated by your mindset that there are no serious challenges to textbook theories which have to date already been proposed. With such a starting point, crowdsourcing would struggle insofar as it would fail to focus on those ideas which are most worthy of our attention. But, a review of critiques of modern science would reveal that actually critics are aware of numerous serious challenges which academics have refused to investigate, and it stands to reason that these are the areas where crowdsourcing can provide tremendous societal value -- by transforming informationally disordered topics into publishable topics through a process of identifying unexpected vindications and aggregating (and prioritizing) pre-existing coherent arguments.

      It does not take a scientist to do that -- just somebody who is willing to take the time to read and then subsequently track the controversy over many years.

      At least, that is the point I made in my own answer a bit further down in this same thread.

    13. Re:Lots of them. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Math is _older_ than scientific method and is akin to philosophy.

      There is no 'hypothesis' in math,, no 'experiment', no 'reproduction of results'. There is no 'proof' in science. Math is just axioms and their logical conclusions.

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    14. Re:Lots of them. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      unfortunately this is way too accurate

    15. Re:Lots of them. by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      What point? That the poster doesn't know what sociology is....

    16. Re:Lots of them. by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 2

      So to sum up, you do not know what the fuck you are talking about.

      Science is hard? Science is only done at the PHD level?

      What you and the OP are talking about is conducting E-X-P-E-R-I-M-E-N-T-S.

      Yes Virginia, ANYONE can do it. Little kids in grade school do them. Students in high school do them. Yup even undergraduate students do them.

      The complexity and sophistication of the experiment will depend on your level of understanding of the subject of investigation and access to equipment. Thus some may be rudimentary, but they are still experiments; it's still science.

      Move along Potsy.

    17. Re: Lots of them. by bshell · · Score: 1

      Great post and realistic summation. It took me four years just to understand the difference between science and speculation. Much of what passes for science is really speculation and should be taken as such. I.e. fairly useless.

    18. Re:Lots of them. by gweihir · · Score: 1

      You apparently never have heard of models, of theories and of verification of said theories. _That_ is hard. Doing experiments is easy (well, sometimes), but getting useful results and interpreting them is hard. Incidentally, when a result is known and well verified, repeating the experiments falls under "education" or "entertainment", not "Science".

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    19. Re: Lots of them. by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Thanks!

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    20. Re:Lots of them. by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Nonsense. You have no clue what Math is. There are hypotheses (called "Theorems") and there are experiments (called "finding a proof") and there sure is "reproduction of results" (i.e. verifying proofs by others). Maybe talk to some actual mathematician some time?

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    21. Re:Lots of them. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      When you're wrong, you should just admit it.

      This just makes you look 12.

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  2. Zooniverse by bjorniac · · Score: 4, Informative

    Check out Zooniverse - https://www.zooniverse.org/ - there's a lot of projects that are helped by citizen science. A nice platform where human powered processing can contribute. I don't think there's the kind of review etc you're asking for, but it does have a very nice interface for building your own project, contributing to others etc.

    1. Re:Zooniverse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      second this

  3. yes, and yes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Public science exists, the platform is $publication and $reproduce.results; and yes, there is inherent risk from erroneous data and from bad actors.

  4. Ask Slashdot: Do Citizen Science Platforms Exist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good luck getting around publishing rights in academia

  5. We don't need more misinformation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As noble a gesture this would be - the internet is basically a giant web of misinformation today and Claim A from clueless individual A often has as much weight as a nobel prize winner in terms of well this guy says this but this guy counters. Its created an atmosphere of everythings fake, everyones corrupt, nothing means anything and this would unfortunately most likely make our current disastrous situation even worse.

    1. Re:We don't need more misinformation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The internet has been like this since the day it became publicly accessible. If you think "Fake News" was invented by Russians in 2016, there's a time-traveling Nigerian from 1995 who'd love to sell you some herbal cock enhancers.

    2. Re: We don't need more misinformation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, There's enough misinformation on TV already, we don't need more fake news.

      ae911truth dot org

  6. Science Gateways by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    There's a trend in the academic community towards that are known as science gateways. It's not well defined what a science gateway is, but they often integrate computational science tools and infrastructure (HPC, Globus online data transfer, visualization, etc.).

    I'm currently working on a project that utilizes one such science gateway platform from Purdue known as HUBzero. It's essentially a CMS tailored towards science (branched from Joomla!). Their FOSS release has virtually no community and a lot of shortcomings (and bugs), but it's usable and includes a lot that would be useful for citizen science groups, including a publication system with DOI creation, project management for files, user/groip management, messaging, etc. Perhaps this is similar to what you're looking for.

    1. Re: Science Gateways by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I forgot to mention, an example community exists called nanohub. Although it primarily consists of professional academics, non-academics (citizen scientists, etc.). This appears to be one of the more successful communities built off this platform.

  7. I wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if the very concepts that a phrase like "community science" might directly contradict the concept of any one provider facilitating all things surrounding projects. It (in my mind) might be a resounding "yes", simply because we all tend to have the basic things to facilitate the ability to share ideas.

    For example, I have access to the internet, so I have access to web browsers, which gives me access to forums, blogs, libraries etc; as well as well supported protocols like SMTP, FTP, XMPP etc.

    I think when it comes to community focused learning, development or whatever, it's important to ensure that the community actively working and maintaining it retains control over how it's worked with. We also have many, many services around which can be used to maintain finished works, or manage ongoing work for archival purposes...

    just my two cents...

    1. Re:I wonder by technosaurus · · Score: 1

      I have been meaning to do a github page for battery experimentation (code + data)... though I would call the practice "kitchen chemistry" and "redneck engineering".
      I would love to see a git-journal where pull requests are reviewed by peers for submission.

  8. Not after "first to file" from America Invents Act by kbonin · · Score: 1

    Just look (deep) at fusor.net to see what has happened to open science in America. Now if an amateur has a legitimate breakthrough, they can't talk about it openly without paying $30k and waiting 8 years for a patent grant. Otherwise its stolen by a commercial interest in the field. "First to File" is one of the worst things to happen in this country, and I'm saying that as someone with one issued patent and more in the pipeline. Its bad.

  9. Citizen Science Tahoe by mspohr · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here's one active effort:
    https://citizensciencetahoe.or...

    They have an app for "citizens" to collect data about water quality at Lake Tahoe. They post the results on the web site.

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  10. Re:Not after "first to file" from America Invents by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 1

    Actually, "First to File" is doesn't seem to be the problem you think it is at all. "First to Invent" was a problem because it invited fraud. You could find something in the open world, and pre-date your date of invention by up to 364 days from date of filing. Thus, you could claim priority over the open work. Now, the open work is always prior art on an application made after it becomes publicly available.

  11. Just what we need . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    . . . more crackpot "scientists". The universities are overflowing with 'em.

    Slashdot publishes their baloney on a daily basis.

    1. Re:Just what we need . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, I can't even get published here.

  12. Re:Not after "first to file" from America Invents by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 1

    Also, if you actually intend to file a patent, it was never a good idea to make disclosures before filing. Besides putting doubt on whether your invention actually is an invention, the duration during which your patent can effectively be enforced runs from the data of disclosure rather than the date of filing or grant.

  13. Re:Not after "first to file" from America Invents by technosaurus · · Score: 1

    As soon as you file, you can talk about it though, right?

  14. Let's be real, this is a terrible idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Encouraging random wackos to think of themselves as "scientists" is a recipe for - at best - a shitload of wasted time from everyone involved. There's a reason scientific research careers have been gated behind many years of education for centuries. The "hard" sciences need lots of education and (usually) access to expensive research equipment to even understand the current state of things, much less make real progress, and the "soft" sciences are already largely built on statistical anomalies and unrepeatable studies, and throwing in thousands of amateurs with no concept of proper methodology to begin with is the last thing that's going to improve that.

    There's probably a not-insignificant number of unemployed PhDs out there who would still like to work as amateurs, but creating a big public ecosystem to accommodate them would immediately become swarmed with a million crackpots who think they've solved the Riemann Hypothesis with undergrad calculus or built a warp drive out of a Roomba.

    1. Re:Let's be real, this is a terrible idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ". . . statistical anomalies and unrepeatable studies, and throwing in thousands of amateurs with no concept of proper methodology . . ."

      There's an app for that.

    2. Re:Let's be real, this is a terrible idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am a professional scientist, and you would not believe how many things you can do with a raspberry pi (aka Roomba). And we do it to save tax payers' money. Have you ever dealed with one of those representatives selling reputable lab equipment? how they knock-off 20% of a $20,000 device in 5min to be cool and engaging? Yeah, for you I'll make a 20% discount. Just because it's you. And how they charge $2,000 to come and repair something (out of warranty) that, literally, costs $50? After being charged $500 for something that costs $5 (found in amazon), I now save $19,900 to the tax payer wherever I go.

      With knowledge and good guidance, hell, you built that warp drive (whatever that is) with a Roombla, as good, and for a fraction of the price.

    3. Re:Let's be real, this is a terrible idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right. Tons of NIST-traceable calibration measurements available for $50 /s

  15. Pro-am science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are various professional amateur collaborations depending on your field of interest. In astronomy there's the Society for Astronomical Sciences. There's GLOBE which is also oriented towards students. I'm vaguely aware of opportunities to do field work in archeology and paleontology. The Economist had a DIY science article in their recent Christmas issue about low cost sensors. I don't know if this meets your "crowd/open sourced" buzzword criteria or what a "resurgence in fringe ideas" has to do with citizen science.

  16. Well, there's HamSci by dtmos · · Score: 2

    While it's not general-purpose, there is Ham radio Science Citizen Investigation, "a platform for the publicity and promotion of projects that are consistent with the following objectives:

            Advance scientific research and understanding through amateur radio activities;
            Encourage the development of new technologies to support this research; and
            Provide educational opportunities for the amateur community and the general public."

    If you are looking for a more universal organization, you might look at this organization's means and methods for some ideas.

  17. iNaturalist & eBird by DeanPentcheff · · Score: 1

    In the same way that there isn't a simple interface to methodologies and projects in academia or science in general, I doubt you'll see one in citizen/community science.

    That said, there are some remarkable projects (or umbrella projects) that are purpose-built for the projects they support. Large-scale ones (besides Zooniverse, already mentioned) include:
            https://www.inaturalist.org/ — observations of living organisms
            https://ebird.org/ — the world of bird observations

    The observations on those two sites are contributing significantly to real science outcomes.

  18. Re:Not after "first to file" from America Invents by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

    Generally, science is distributed through trade publications, not patents. The intent is different for the two.

    Publications announce new results and discuss the analysis behind them. Whereas patents announce new inventions and defend their utility.

    Look, I understand your frustration with the arduous and lengthy process of filing and obtaining a patent. But let's not confuse patents with peer-reviewed scientific papers.

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  19. ALL science should be citizen science by mi · · Score: 2

    With the possible exception for militarily-applicable research, no science should be government-sponsored. At all.

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    1. Re:ALL science should be citizen science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I disagree due to the fact that many fields are so advanced, I can't see how citizen scientists could make breakthroughs. How much did the large hadron collider cost? The Higgs Boson is not sufficiently low-hanging fruit for this type of endeavor.

    2. Re: ALL science should be citizen science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Utter rubbish, the last 80 years has seen unprecedented advances across all scientifics domains due largely to government funding of basic science. Throughout history scientific advances have occurred due to state funding. Ancient Greek science and mathematics flourished because of state funding. When funding stopped so did advances. The Romans hardly advanced science but they had lots of military funding, perhaps if they'd spent more on science they wouldn't have lost the western half of the empire.

    3. Re:ALL science should be citizen science by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Oh look you've found a different way of spelling "gubmint is teh ebul".

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    4. Re:ALL science should be citizen science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who knows what's military-applicable? e=mc^2 gave us the atom bomb, population inversion gave us the laser, space exploration gave us the ICBM (and vice versa), sloppy bacterial growth experiments gave us antibiotics which massively diminished war deaths, the airplane was of military disinterest for the longest time, etc. Which basic research is fit for what purpose is impossible to determine, and if the basic research is not done no purpose can be found for it.

    5. Re:ALL science should be citizen science by Squirmy+McPhee · · Score: 4, Insightful

      With the possible exception for militarily-applicable research, no science should be government-sponsored. At all.

      Well, we have government-sponsored research to thank for your being able to share that comment with us. Without government-funded science for both peaceful and military purposes you wouldn't have computer to type your comment on, nor an internet or World Wide Web to transmit it over. You not only wouldn't have a smart phone, you wouldn't have a cell phone, or any phone at all for that matter. Or even electricity, most likely.

      You can't rely on wealthy investors and venture capitalists to fund science for which there is not a clear application, customer, or business model, especially if that business model does not lead to profitability or an IPO in a relatively short period of time. Thirty years ago the first web browser was still two years away. The first web browser that anybody has heard of was still five years away. The only networking business case for the rabble that anybody really imagined was dial-up service à la Prodigy, Compuserv, and America Online -- and those services largely kept customers inside their walled gardens and made it difficult or impossible to access the internet itself. Even after Mosaic appeared in 1993 (a government-funded effort, by the way) and people started to get their first taste of the web as we know it, it was still years before private investment grew significantly because people needed to get online for any of it to matter, and doing that required both public investment and new business models.

      The usual suspects were first on the scene, of course: The first time I encountered a camgirl with a live video stream was in 1996....

    6. Re: ALL science should be citizen science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have no problem with governmebt funded research as long as nobody gets any patents and the results are published to the public domain.

    7. Re:ALL science should be citizen science by mi · · Score: 1

      Well, we have government-sponsored research to thank for your being able to share that comment with us

      Your kind have been repeating this line for years. It is bullshit — because it presupposes, that, had ARPA not funded what later became known as "the Internet", no one else would've done it either.

      That's nonsense. Private companies did fund and successfully built networks of railroads, telegraph, and telephone. They would've built the current Internet, when the technology developed — as it did in due time.

      Your argument boils down to: "People are too dumb to be trusted with their own money, government must use its power to confiscate funds because Congressmen just know better, what to spend on." Authoritarian much?

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    8. Re:ALL science should be citizen science by Squirmy+McPhee · · Score: 1

      That's nonsense. Private companies did fund and successfully built networks of railroads, telegraph, and telephone.

      I think you might need to review your history a bit. Private funding didn't come in for any of those until the government had provided so much support that it reduced risk to "acceptable" levels. Yes, private funding made all of those networks pervasive, but government funding made them possible.

      They would've built the current Internet, when the technology developed — as it did in due time.

      What do you mean, "as it did in due time"? Did you somehow visit another reality and see if the internet would develop in the absence of government funding? Considering that literally none of the hardware that runs the internet developed without early government support, I don't see how you can know that.

    9. Re:ALL science should be citizen science by mi · · Score: 1

      Private funding didn't come in for any of those until the government had provided so much support

      Been there, argued that. Step one, where are your citations?

      This is where your shrink away, or offer me to "google it". Nope, you do that. I'll wait.

      What do you mean, "as it did in due time"? Did you somehow visit another reality and see if the internet would develop in the absence of government funding?

      Now, that is rich. As if you have somehow visited another reality, where the Internet did not develop without it...

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    10. Re:ALL science should be citizen science by Squirmy+McPhee · · Score: 1

      Private funding didn't come in for any of those until the government had provided so much support

      Been there, argued that. Step one, where are your citations?

      Railroads:

      • Doukas, Kimon A. The French Railroads and the State. Columbia University Press, 1945.
      • Dunham, Arthur. “How the First French Railways Were Planned.” Journal of Economic History. Vol. 1, No. 1, 1941.
      • Pirenne, Henri. Histoire de Belgique. VII: De la Révolution de 1830 à la Guerre de 1914 (2nd ed.), Maurice Lamertin, 1944.
      • Bain, David Haward. Empire Express; Building the first Transcontinental Railroad. Viking Penguin, 1999.
      • Railway Guarantee Act of 1849 (Canada)
      • Pacific Railroad Acts of 1862, 1864, and 1867 (United States)

      And that's just the early industrial history of railroads. It was kind of a mixed bag of private and public investment. More recently, high-speed rail has been deployed almost exclusively by government-owned rail companies like JNR in Japan, SNCF in France, DB in Germany, British Rail in the UK, Amtrak in the US, Renfe in Spain, Korail in South Korea, and perhaps most importantly these days, China Railways, which was literally a government ministry until 2013. Even Thalys, which is nominally a private high-speed rail company, is 100% owned by SNCF, SNCB (government-owned Belgian rail company), and DB. For more on that I refer you to Wikipedia and decades worth of annual reports by the individual companies, I'm not going to link to them all for you.

      Telegraph:

      • Stover, John F. History of the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad, 1987 (yeah, the title suggests it's about a railroad, and it is, but it also includes the story of the first telegraph line in the US, which was funded by the US Congress).
      • http://history.house.gov/Exhibitions-and-Publications/Electronic-Technology/Telegraph/
      • Janson, Michael A. and Yoo, Christopher S., "The Wires Go to War: The U.S. Experiment with Government Ownership of theTelephone System During World War I" (2013). Faculty Scholarship. Paper 467.http://scholarship.law.upenn.edu/faculty_scholarship/467
      • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Red_Line (yeah, Wikipedia, but I can't find the book I'd rather refer you to)

      Telephone: Don't forget that in most places outside of the US, the entire telephone system (including the telephone itself) was owned by the government until the 1980s.

      • Janson, Michael A. and Yoo, Christopher S., "The Wires Go to War: The U.S. Experiment with Government Ownership of the Telephone System During World War I" (2013). Faculty Scholarship. Paper 467.http://scholarship.law.upenn.edu/faculty_scholarship/467 (yes, a repeat from the telegraph section)

      What do you mean, "as it did in due time"? Did you somehow visit another reality and see if the internet would develop in the absence of government funding?

      Now, that is rich. As if you have somehow visited another reality, where the Internet did not develop without it...

      Holy missing the point, Batman! You might want to re-read your own comment. If you still can't understand my response, try applying basic grammar and logic.

      And thanks for reminding me why I stopped bothering to try to engage in intelligent conversation on the internet.

  20. Liquid (getliquid.io) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    About 5 years, we set out to create a platform that both scientists and citizen-scientists could use to collaborate on research. Most of the projects run on Liquid were large groups of citizen scientists organized and lead by teams of scientists. Several of the projects had hundreds of volunteers collecting data around the globe.
    Unfortunately, we were never able to figure out the business model to make it work, so we will shutting in the next month or two.

    I still believe this is a problem that hasn't yet been solved. We made a pretty good effort at it and had some success. Hopefully there will continue to be other platforms that come along that better enable scientists and citizen scientists to work together.

    anecdata.org is another platform that seems pretty good.

    1. Re:Liquid (getliquid.io) by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Sell your chump list, duh. They're fucking volunteers! Fat of the land.

      Don't sell that list too cheap. Those are awsome leeds. I bet I could sell ten percent a carbon credit monthly subscription, and I'm no salespro.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    2. Re:Liquid (getliquid.io) by caleb.lenoir · · Score: 1

      Didn't mean to post this anonymously. I'm new here :)

    3. Re:Liquid (getliquid.io) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you played your "gay" card yet?

  21. And real scientists, too! by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 2

    Search for 'flat earth', 'vaccine autism', 'creation science', 'labor economics', 'sociology' etc etc.

    The thing they have in common? The people involved wouldn't know science if it bit them on the ass. Instead they grind axes.

    And all of the "real science" that encourages citizen participation only has the citizens doing trivial things.

    Things like running "Folding@Home", viewing astronomical photographs looking for potentially interesting things, sending in local samples for analysis - things that any high-school kid could do.

    Find something in the astronomical photograph and you'll be listed as the discoverer, along with the *real* scientist who did the analysis. Send in a sample and you'll be listed as the contributor, along with the *real* scientists who wrote the paper.

    (St. Louis zoo was passing out vials, asking people to find local samples of algae and send them back to be cultured. They were looking for high-yield cultures that could be used for aquaculture. A fine idea, and interesting for a child, but not actual citizen science.)

    I've seen a bunch of YouTube videos that did brilliant technical comparisons of techniques or materials. One in particular - that I can't find at the moment - had everything one would need for a paper: background, hypothesis, test, measurement, and results. It would make a typical paper in materials science, except it was in video format. It was simple, concise, and had a clear result. (Update: it's here.)

    If you want a platform for citizen science, you might try Hackaday.io. They are trying to start an actual scientific journal to collect some of the results that amateurs are coming up with, The Hackaday Journal of What You Don't Know.

    Whether the journal goes anywhere is anybody's guess, but the .io system has a lot of cool scientific projects that might make for good research. Such as this one, or this one.

    1. Re:And real scientists, too! by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      St. Louis zoo was passing out vials, asking people to find local samples of algae and send them back to be cultured. They were looking for high-yield cultures that could be used for aquaculture. A fine idea, and interesting for a child, but not actual citizen science.

      Science as in real science generally involves a LOT of grunt work.

      --
      SJW n. One who posts facts.
  22. RIP studycure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    iâ(TM)m a card carrying scientist by day and i miss the self-experimentation platform called studycure that died sometime in 2012. the svc offered an inventory of pplâ(TM)s studies to replicate, protocol templates, and support for data collection + analysis

    https://mobile.twitter.com/studycure

    1. Re:RIP studycure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey Mr. Wizard, if you are so fucking smart, how come you can't markup your post correctly?

  23. Yes! Plug by braindrainbahrain · · Score: 1

    Yes, I like the idea. Please create your website. Hell, I'll even help you if you need it. Also, shameless plug for the Society of Amateur Radio Astronomers and Ham Sci who are doing stuff you describe.

  24. BugGuide.net by twinkie_away · · Score: 1

    There is https://bugguide.net/ which tracks the ecology and distribution of insects. Volunteers submit insect photographs which are identified and categorized and mapped.

    1. Re:BugGuide.net by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A similar project, but limited to Spain, is Biodiversidad Virtual.

  25. Re: Ask Slashdot: Do Citizen Science Platforms Exi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Submit to bioxrv or arXiv, anyone can publish today. What matters is whether you have anything to actually publish.

  26. The bar is very high by hdyoung · · Score: 1

    Citizen science is awesome. Science is one of the few things things that humans have created that creates real hope our species can go far. Science should be as accessible as possible to individuals, whether or not they want to participate in academics or formal research efforts. That being said, I think that that "citizen science" is about viable as "citizen ASIC design". Not much low hanging fruit for an individual in his garage at this point.

    1. Re: The bar is very high by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet thanks to EBL (electron beem lithography) citizen ASIC design is quite close to being a thing. While not as cheap per unit or fast as more standard methods, it doesn't require masks!

  27. It's an excellent question, Loren by paradigmsareconstruc · · Score: 3

    Hi, Loren. I am going through the responses to your thoughtful question, and am sort of imagining your reaction as unimpressed by the answers (please correct me if I am wrong).

    The fact of the matter is that we live in a unique time insofar as we have more access to information and wisdom from crowds than ever before. You might imagine that this explosion of resources should have some disruptive effect upon the way that science is done today -- something that mirrors what Amazon did to e-commerce when it commercialized the long tail ... the argument being that since specialist scientists are essentially laypeople outside of their specializations, it's conceivable that "the crowd" can outperform these specialist communities when it comes to problem-solving tasks which involve a great amount of synthesis and generalist knowledge (which is honestly not today highly valued in academia). If you've had any of these thoughts, then realize that you are not completely alone: In fact, Rob Spencer at Pfizer has I think very well documented that the crowd can indeed be mined for solutions to some of the most challenging technical challenges. Pfizer has been doing just that for some years already, and they claim that the approach works.

    Before continuing, I want to differentiate the two fundamentally different types of "citizen science". It can be either top-down or bottom-up. Top-down citizen science is just laypeople doing the legwork for some pre-existing academic work (many of the answers refer to this sort of work). I would argue that the far more interesting vision for citizen science involves enlisting the support of crowds towards solving certain problems which the critics of modern science have argued academia is itself struggling to address, and I call this approach "bottom-up". For the rest of this post, I will specifically focus upon bottom-up citizen science.

    I would argue that learning the most common and most poignant critiques of modern science must be the first step towards designing a citizen science crowdsourcing platform, for the simple reason that laypeople are never going to completely replace the specialist. What you really want to achieve with these sorts of projects is a synergistic effect from combining the wisdom of crowds with the power of specialist science. An approach which fixes one or more observable problems with modern science could produce such an effect. But, like I said, to be sure that you are in the right ballpark, you have to become an expert in critiques of modern science. This first step is actually the one which Slashdotters seem to have the most difficulty with, and it is likely the reason why the answers to your question are not so great (sorry guys, downvote me if you must, but I am being honest).

    If this is seeming too vague to be actionable, it may be useful to dig into a specific example. One very serious problem with the modern science approach is the infamous "publish or perish" problem:

    Dear EPFL, I am writing to state that, after four years of hard but enjoyable PhD work at this school, I am planning to quit my thesis in January, just a few months shy of completion ...

    While I could give a multitude of reasons for leaving my studies – some more concrete, others more abstract – the essential motivation stems from my personal conclusion that I’ve lost faith in today’s academia as being something that brings a positive benefit to the world/societies we live in. Rather, I’m starting to think of it as a big money vacuum that takes in grants and spits out nebulous results, fueled by people whose main concerns are not to advance knowledge and to effect positive change, though they may talk of such things, but to build their CVs and to propel/maintain their car

  28. Citizen Science: Data Collection by PineHall · · Score: 1

    There is a lot of good citizen science happens. One such organization is CoCoRaHS, where citizens with rain gauges add a lot more resolution to precipitation maps. Think one rainfall report for a town versus several reports all over town. The data has been used in a variety of ways. I find it interesting comparing my daily results with my neighbor 4 blocks away. Most the time there is no difference, but sometimes there is a significant difference.

  29. environmental monitoring w/ sensors by dsjl · · Score: 1

    (1) Safecast (unfortunately motivated by disaster, but most environmental monitoring spikes after such events): https://blog.safecast.org/ . (2) EnviroDIY (water quality and quantity related; believe they are developing data portal): https://www.envirodiy.org/ . (3) Wunderground has citizen network of weather stations. Not completely open, but they (proprietary company) update forecasts more often than gov't agencies due to automated data collection. The first example has been examined by peer-review ( http://iopscience.iop.org/arti... ). While absolute values are questionable with in situ sensors, the deltas with a large user base (and preferably different sensor manufacturers) would at least cause the academic community to raise their eyebrows.

  30. midata.coop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A project supported by the Swiss Institute of Technology (ETH Zürich) called midata.coop is a transperent and cooperative platform that stores personal health data in a cooperative manner. At the moment running the largest Citizen Science project in Switzerland. They examine allergies caused by plant pollen with a smartphone application (https://allyscience.ch/).

  31. a common misunderstanding by Goldsmith · · Score: 1

    There's a common misunderstanding that published science is always done by well trained professionals in well outfitted labs. That's not the case.

    Most authors on scientific papers are graduate students. These are by definition untrained people new to scientific research. Most paper authors don't have a PhD. Most science labs are stocked with decades out of date equipment. It's pretty trivial to build better equipment on your own with a bit of engineering knowledge and some searching of scientific surplus stores for specialty parts.

    The most difficult thing in science is to get paid to do the research. That's what academia is good for. If you don't need to get paid, don't worry about it.

    Publishing isn't hard. Just keep submitting to journals until you find one that will take your paper, look for double-blind review systems. The editor will know who you are, but the reviewers will not.

  32. Re:Not after "first to file" from America Invents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Patents were invented so that capitalists could profit from inventions that they themselves did not create. If you are an inventor and using patents, you are doing it wrong.

  33. citsci.org by ChodeMonkey · · Score: 1

    Consider citsci.org.

    --
    All your attention are belong to my old internet meme.
  34. The link is re looney tunes anti-science. by Darkness+Of+Course · · Score: 1

    AKA flat earth nutjob. If that is what you mean, read the article instead of just the headline and you will find several sites of similar more-than-a-bubble-off-center friends to play with.

    If not, please clarify.

    There are many that use citizens/public/us to look at blood flows in mice brains for Alzheimer research, as well as SETI and protein folding.

    Good luck.

  35. Fuck your cynicism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I participate here.

    https://boinc.berkeley.edu/

    Your choice if you want to make some gridcoin

  36. The most cynical thing I've ever heard... by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

    Life is like a big long meeting, nothing gets done and nobody's opinion gets changed.

    --
    John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    1. Re:The most cynical thing I've ever heard... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To hell with their opinions! That saying is the thinking of someone who would never skip the meeting and fucking do something instead. I choose to support those who are trying rather than whine and give up hope like a worthless welfare recipient.

      What will you think when one of these algorithms finds an open source cure for cancer or the next super-material?

    2. Re:The most cynical thing I've ever heard... by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Dream on...you sound like a hippie.

      Science is _hard_.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
  37. +5 Sad But True by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    +5 Sad But True

  38. protocols by gringer · · Score: 1

    What about rating of experiments for peer review, revisions and refinement, requirement lists, step-by-step instructions for repeatability, ease of access, and simple language for people who don't find academia accessible? Does something like this exist already?

    For methods and protocols, there's protocols.io.

    --
    Ask me about repetitive DNA
  39. Yes... by MerlTurkin · · Score: 1

    Next year the eVscope hopefully will make it debut. A telescope that will allow regular people to contribute to science. I bought one via kickstarter. https://unistellaroptics.com/

  40. Genetic Genealogy is citizen scientist driven by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Genetic genealogy is a solid example of citizen based data acquisition and analysis. Recently GEDmatch.com was in the news for identification of unknown individuals. :-) Publications related to the analysis of the 1000 genomes data set and 10's of thousands of new high resolution y-chromsome have and are advancing the knowledge around the expansion of paternal haplogroups from ancient to modern times. ytree.net is an example of citizen science based analysis of thousands of results. Full mitochondrial dna results in genebank are dominated by submissions from individual testers which have allowed for the broad expansion of the mtDNA phylotree.

  41. Re:Not after "first to file" from America Invents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes. And further amend it.

  42. Open Science Framework by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Open Science Framework exists: https://osf.io/

    1. Re:Open Science Framework by dpru · · Score: 1

      This is actually a good example. Open Science Framework is very useful.

    2. Re:Open Science Framework by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 2

      AC, you beat me to it! :)

      Yes, Open Science Framework: https://osf.io/

      Allows researchers to upload their data, methods, algorithms/calculations, etc.. Allows anyone else to check and report errors/problems and suggest improvements. Open data can also be re-purposed but that may be an open temptation to indulge in p-hacking.

      --
      Debate is a form of harassment. Do not question my truth.
  43. Citizen Science for Social Science Research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Volunteer Science project [https://volunteerscience.com/] is a citizen science project that engages in science education and and tries to advance social science research by actively involving citizens in social science research projects.

  44. SciStarter.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SciStarter.com is a clearing house and gateway for projects, who also do some curation and outreach for the projects on the site. I've used them to support a project, they're great.

    Others mentioned Zooniverse.com, which I've played with. Sites I haven't used yet that look interesting: Sciencegateways.org/resources/catalog lists resources including Virtual Research Environments and software. CitizenScience.gov has stuff too.

  45. Public Lab by ananyo · · Score: 1

    Public Lab is probably the best known - https://publiclab.org/. Here's how they describe themselves: Public Lab is a community where you can learn how to investigate environmental concerns. Using inexpensive DIY techniques, we seek to change how people see the world in environmental, social, and political terms.
    I wrote an article about the DIY science community last year that tells you a bit more about how they and other "community science" outfits got started. (If the site asks you to subscribe just clear your cache).

  46. Birding has a long history of citizen science by gymell · · Score: 1

    The main platform that birders use is Ebird (https://ebird.org/home). Birders are somewhat self regulating in that we are pretty well versed in what is common and what is rare or improbable. And the Audubon Christmas Bird Count, which at over 100 years is said to be the world's largest and longest running citizen science project, has provided a lot of data in that time about changing bird populations.

  47. gov't data, publically sourced by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a member of a mushroom club, we regularly gather info about populations, species variation and can even make some taxonomic recommendations. The problem is that there's no good place to communicate the information. I'm sure the same is true about population studies from birdwatchers, fishermen, hunters, et.al.

  48. bunch of links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    here's some stuff, no guarantee of quality

    Plant/Animal Crowdsourcing: (first three have phone apps, that's where most functionality is)
    http://identify.plantnet-project.org/
    https://www.inaturalist.org/
    http://www.projectnoah.org/
    http://www.wildme.org/

    Specific projects:
    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cosalux.welovestars
    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=gov.noaa.ngdc.wmm2

    Crowdsourcing platforms:
    https://scistarter.com/
    http://www.citsci.org/
    https://www.zooniverse.org/projects

  49. Amateur science by DCFusor · · Score: 1

    There are a lot more than this, but I'll leave these here - not that they are "pure" - some are just teaching existing knowledge and encouraging new people. My "thing" is non-thermal fusion so...the second one of these is my site. http://www.fusor.net/board/ind... - fusor.org, helping beginners, some new science. http://www.coultersmithing.com... My site for a little more advanced user (no, I'm not pimping for members unless you're a super content contributor). Neither accept money or show ads....

    --
    Why guess when you can know? Measure!
  50. Ships and Groups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Historically, smaller ships could out maneuver a larger, more dangerous ship, I don't see anything negative about smaller, more flexible, groups.. They could even temporary get together, and forming a "large" group, if more money and man/woman power is needed for a project.

  51. Yes. It's called the Internet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Ask Slashdot: Do Citizen Science Platforms Exist?" Start a blog. Plop whatever sciencey stuff you want on there. Cross-post to social media (e.g. Facebook and Twitter) and video platforms (e.g. YouTube). Done.

    If it works, you win a Nobel prize for something. If it gets debunked, you accept that too and move on.

  52. Check Out the Open Humans Foundation by blackbearnh · · Score: 1

    There are lots of opportunities to contribute (either your personal data, or code/tech.) There are open APIs to let you design opt-in activities using everything from step data off of personal devices to entire genomes.

    https://www.openhumans.org/ [openhumans.org]

    OBJ DISCLAIMER: I was just elected to the OH Board of Directors...

  53. Citizen Science Data collection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes Loren,
    There are Citizen Science project coordination web sites see https://www.discoverycircle.org.au/
    Natural Resource Management regions also have project community sites http://www.naturalresources.sa.gov.au/eyrepeninsula/get-involved/citizen-science?BestBetMatch=citizen%20science|4d090124-f3d8-4557-9b86-0d101df97e20|46d71422-ee72-40ae-9a97-a32b00c7f5a3|en-AU
    A lot of the data generated is uploaded to Atlas of Living Australia https://www.ala.org.au/

    Cheers,
    Glen