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Surging Demand For Vinyl LPs Has Raised Hopes For Reel-to-Reel Tape Deck, Which is Returning To Sale For First Time in Decades (bloomberg.com)

It's no secret that sales of vinyl music are at the highest in decades. Even the lowly cassette tape is regaining popularity as some millennials embrace analog music over digital downloads and streaming services. But for the first time in more than two decades, a German company is reviving what may be the ultimate format: a new reel-to-reel tape machine. From a report: Dusseldorf-based Roland Schneider Precision Engineering this week will introduce four Ballfinger reel-to-reel machines, bringing back a technology that dominated professional music recording for most of the 20th century and is now making a comeback with audiophiles and artists including Lady Gaga. The sleek machines, some of them customizable, will retail from about 9,500 euros ($11,400) for the basic version to about 24,000 euros for the high-end model, which features three direct-drive motors, an editing system and walnut side panels. "Digital media is great, but experiencing music is more than just listening to a sound file -- it's sensual, it's reels that turn and can be touched," says Roland Schneider, the machine's designer. "When it comes to audio quality, nothing else in the analog world gets you closer to the experience of being right there in the recording studio than reel-to-reel tape."

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  1. Max Headroom? by spiritplumber · · Score: 2

    "The cyber" is a word again, tape decks are back... what's next, twiddler keyboards and phreaking?

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    1. Re:Max Headroom? by Drishmung · · Score: 2

      Hah! IBM 029 keypunch for ever. 026 if you are truly hard core ("we don't need the text printed on the cards. True Programmers read Hollerith").

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  2. Next up: return to horse and buggy and slavery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Also holistic embrace of artisan communicable diseases that have been cured for decades in preparation for the return to rustic, wholesome, and natural levels of infant and maternal mortality.

    1. Re:Next up: return to horse and buggy and slavery by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 2, Funny

      I am sorry someone modded you down for that, it summarizes the situation perfectly.

  3. Are there many analog studios left? by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Are there many(any) studios that record primarily, in analog?

    Do many of them have analog components to them...ie tube amps, pre-amps, tape....etc?

    Wouldn't it really only sound the best on analog home play, if the source was also at least mostly recorded using analog technology?

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    1. Re:Are there many analog studios left? by Dzimas · · Score: 4, Informative

      Recording on 2-inch analog 24-track is different than digital. Tape exhibits saturation effects -- if I record a drum track onto tape, I can record it "hot" by turning up the gain so that the hardest hits saturate the tape. The result is a distinctive compression/limiting/harmonic effect. One of the reasons that people complained about sterile and thin digital sound when we shifted from analog to digital was that digital recorders don't behave the same way. That said, there are now some excellent digital plug-ins that emulate this effect.

      That said, it makes sense to mix your 24-track analog recording to digital since the digital reproduction will be technically better than a dub of an analog 2-track tape.

    2. Re:Are there many analog studios left? by aitikin · · Score: 5, Informative

      Are there many(any) studios that record primarily, in analog?

      Yes, there are.

      Do many of them have analog components to them...ie tube amps, pre-amps, tape....etc?

      All preamps are analog preamps. Almost all microphones are analog microphones. Most major studios have some analog hardware and utilize it.

      Wouldn't it really only sound the best on analog home play, if the source was also at least mostly recorded using analog technology?

      Most new vinyl is recorded at least in some part on a digital medium. It does not mean that the vinyl is less "analog", but the days of AAA (Analog recording, Analog mixing, and Analog mastering) are long gone (even Jack White "cheats" now), but that doesn't make it bad. Most professionals in the audio industry use the right tool for the job, be it analog, digital, or a hybrid solution.

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    3. Re:Are there many analog studios left? by Powercntrl · · Score: 2

      Do many of them have analog components to them...ie tube amps, pre-amps, tape....etc?

      Vacuum tubes are still used quite extensively on the artistic side of audio production. It's not uncommon to see them in microphone/instrument amplifiers, and many electric guitar players prefer tube amps. In those cases though, they're used specifically because the inherent non-linearities and distortion characteristics of tube amplification sound good to most people.

      Thing is though, once you've got the sound you want, it's like a perfectly cooked steak - adding anything else to it might ruin it. That's why most studios use high-end digital recording to capture all of that tube-y goodness in pristine clarity.

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    4. Re:Are there many analog studios left? by Immerman · · Score: 2

      Transistors are fully analog devices as well - they're used strictly in saturation (pseudo-relay) mode in most modern CPUs, etc, but that doesn't change their fundamental nature. Most modern audio and signal amplifier ICs use them in analog mode to great effect.

      As for replay - you'd probably get the best results if the entire production chain was (high quality) analog, but professional digital equipment may very well use radically greater fidelity than any consumer hardware can use - typical consumer hardware is limited to somewhere around 16 bits per sample and 44,000 samples per second - both of which introduce significant quantization noise. Which means that a smooth input sine wave is approximated by a jagged "staircase" waveform, with all fine detail discarded, and then the result is (ideally) smoothed back into a continuous waveform via a high-frequency low-pass filter when used to drive a speaker. Unfortunately, while that quantization will typically capture (most) of the (average) human's hearing range, it completely discards higher-frequency tones whose harmonics may still be audible, as well as destroying many other subtleties of the signal shape which may have an audible effect.

      Professional gear, especially if designed for recording raw signals that will undergo extreme editing, can potentially operate with much better fidelity - even going to 24 bit samples instead of 16 will increase the sample fidelity by a factor of 256 over the same range, and increasing the sample rate will better capture the temporal transitions - plenty of digital signal processing hardware is designed to operate in the MHz or even GHz range, and there's no real reason you couldn't use that for audio sampling as well - it's just normally considered gross overkill for the job. If you record that back to analog using similarly capable hardware you can get a recording whose quantization noise is much further outside the (average) human perceptual envelope, so that even many of the harmonics and other subtleties are substantially the same as the original, at least to a limited human ear.

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    5. Re:Are there many analog studios left? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Here is my Tube Amp for guitar geeks with a shocking sense of adventure:
      https://www.aeronetworks.ca/2015/02/cool-amplifier.html

    6. Re:Are there many analog studios left? by Tapewolf · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Recording on 2-inch analog 24-track is different than digital. Tape exhibits saturation effects -- if I record a drum track onto tape, I can record it "hot" by turning up the gain so that the hardest hits saturate the tape. The result is a distinctive compression/limiting/harmonic effect. One of the reasons that people complained about sterile and thin digital sound when we shifted from analog to digital was that digital recorders don't behave the same way.

      Another thing is that the frequency response is nonlinear. Jack Endino has some rather interesting graphs of this in different models of 2" deck: http://www.endino.com/graphs/

  4. Seems fair by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If people want the "experience" of rewinding tapes, taking five minutes to change to a different album, etc. then nobody here should try to stop them.

    All we need is a law to prevent them bragging about the "experience" in public places.

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    1. Re:Seems fair by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 2

      If people want the "experience" of rewinding tapes, taking five minutes to change to a different album, etc. then nobody here should try to stop them.

      All we need is a law to prevent them bragging about the "experience" in public places.

      Sounds like the holodeck, we are the bored people of the future, simulating that we need to do things like in the past ...

  5. Those who have not heard the history of audio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    are doomed to hear it all over again. 50 years ago, vinyl (45 dB S/N at best) and 15ips tape (65 dB S/N at best, before DNR) were as good as it got. Since the early 80s, there's been CDs (100 dB S/N). That's already nearly 40 years. Going back is not something any person with normal hearing could ever consider. So when you see these things being labelled anything but noisy old gear, consider the source's hearing. No, not everyone hears normally, just like not everyone sees normally.

    Let that be a lesson. Hear it.

    1. Re:Those who have not heard the history of audio by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      Ironic. You picked the one technical spec between the mediums no one except for some classical music lovers gives a shit about. CDs with 100dB S/N? Try finding a modern song that uses more than the top 20dB. Try find someone who cares when you point that out.

    2. Re:Those who have not heard the history of audio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      CDs *can* sound shitty. Cassettes and Vinyl are pretty much guaranteed to.

      I'm not sure what your point is, to be honest.

      I mean, if I recorded a 78 onto CD it's going to sound like a 78. And nobody thinks otherwise, so who do you think you're talking to?

    3. Re:Those who have not heard the history of audio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah, keep banging your head against the wall with that argument. Analog devices dither the original signal with spectrally shaped noise to the point that information is lost at a much earlier point and to a greater extent than with digital signals. In fact, quantization noise in digital is rarely the actual noise floor since analog noise in the recording with have dithered the signal long before it kicks in. The typical microphone having a 60db S/N at best, and the rooms audio is recorded in have noise floors around 25dB should be enough to convince anyone, but you keep living in those high frequency cloud castles of yours.

  6. Re:I don't see this taking off by Powercntrl · · Score: 2, Insightful

    However, no hipster has $11,000 to spend

    Most people couldn't afford reel-to-reel machines back in the day (when it actually was the superior format), hence the nostalgia for shitty ass vinyl. Today, even if it was less expensive, it's likely the hipsters wouldn't want it because reel-to-reel doesn't have that "warm" (which is really just the RIAA EQ curve and any other adjustments done to the sound to make it cuttable) sound they associate with "analog". If you wanted your music to sound true to the source, you'd just be using lossless digital formats anyway.

    In other words, people buy vinyl copies of modern albums because they want the shitty music to sound shittier. There's no helping those people.

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  7. Useless. by TigerPlish · · Score: 5, Informative

    The real "magic" tape decks of the 50's - 90's were the ones that ran two-inch tape at 15 inches / second. And that was super expensive. I think $200 for ten minutes is the last I heard, and I think that was for Squirrel Nut Zipper's "Hot"

    These new tape decks are 1/4 inch, which are really not made for studio recording, no matter what their looks try to portray.

    The topic is too complex to be easily addressed in any kind of civilized manner, but I think the digital / analog debate can be summarized as such: Early digital capture, 44khz PCM is crap. Yet 44khz PCM playback is OK. Well-mastered, analog-born sound played back on CD sounds wonderful.

    The real breakthrough was DSD. Capture it in DSD and the playback will sound as warm and rich as any two-inch Ampex machine from the past, especially if equal care is put into the mikes, the miking, etc.

    Too complex to easily address here. It *will* de-evolve into flames, namecalling and tiny closed minds.

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    1. Re:Useless. by Tapewolf · · Score: 2

      The real "magic" tape decks of the 50's - 90's were the ones that ran two-inch tape at 15 inches / second. And that was super expensive. I think $200 for ten minutes is the last I heard, and I think that was for Squirrel Nut Zipper's "Hot"

      250 GBP will buy you 2400 feet of 2" tape. Running at 15ips that'll give you about 33 minutes, minus any test tones you may want to record. If you run at 30 you'll get less tape hiss, but you'll also reduce the running time to about 16 minutes, which at current tape prices is crazy. I'm running an Otari MX80 as a (very expensive) hobby and by planning carefully I can usually get an album onto two reels.

      The machines being offered here could potentially be used as a 1/4" mixdown deck, but you'd have to be very rich to consider it given that you can get an actual studio recorder off ebay for considerably less.

  8. Can't wait until Cylinder Phonographs come back by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 5, Funny

    I for one can't wait until unpowered cylinder phonographs come back. I even bought a gold-plated horn to ensure optimal audio fidelity.

  9. An example of "modern vintage" by iksrazal_br · · Score: 3

    I realize lots of people are skeptical of tape, but things like balanced ins / outs and control voltage (pre-midi, Moog and analog equipment uses it still) was not even twinkle in someone's eyes on cassette tape decks when the digital age started.

    In short for this example, digital delay doesn't sound as good. It sounds too perfect. Binson tape delays were used by Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin a lot but cassette decks opens new possibilities. CV can actually control wow and flutter for cool effects. This space case TE-1 deck with all the bells and whistles is around $1000.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/Bc...

  10. Re:Analog only by spiritplumber · · Score: 4, Funny

    Heh. Old-fart story time. In Italy, hotels (and hostels) used to restrict calls by physically locking the rotary dial with a small lock, and charging for the key. So we got good at pulse-dialing by tapping the hangup key.

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  11. Millennials? by TJHook3r · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Who the hell is buying all this retro stuff? I love the tactile nature of physical media but you know what I love even more? Space! My collection has gone digital and I have a streaming account. That is an entire wall I have reclaimed. Millennials can't even afford houses so where do they plan to keep record players and tape decks?

  12. Re:Good thing by Tapewolf · · Score: 2

    I wonder how difficult it would be to manufacture tape heads again? It wasn't trivial engineering to get the performance we got out of these things before they became obsolete.

    There are people who still make them, largely as aftermarket support for studio recorders. JRF Magnetics for one, and I think there's a place in Japan though I forget the name. Besides, cassette decks are still in limited production, and mag stripe readers use similar technology, so it's not like it's entirely lost.

  13. Pffftt by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 2

    I'm bypassing all you techno-dweebs by converting all my music back to wax cylinders, the way god and Edison intended.

    You haven't heard anything until you've experienced Lady GaGa's "Born This Way" in the original 15rpm 5 kilohertz mono version.

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  14. Re:This is all nice and good by Mashiki · · Score: 2

    All I can see is the money from selling old reel to reel decks to hipsters with more money then what they can do with.

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  15. Re:This is all nice and good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    1) Tape stopped using acetate in the 1950s. Modern tape materials have their problems too, but most are better structurally and for archive purposes than acetate. OTOH, acetate breaks much more cleanly so if you are into a little splicing...
    2) Yes, tape loses quality over time. Much of that can be restored or even (to a small degree) improved with modern digital processing, but there comes a time where the original material is no longer usable (that happened to the early London stereo recordings of Wagner's Ring) and you're forced to work with the best of the available digital transfers.
    3) You might recall that early digital recordings were also on tape; direct digital recording to memory or disk and archiving on disk (optical or magnetic) wasn't really part of standard practice until at least the late 1980s if not 1990s. DAT machines were never a consumer thing, but were big in the commercial realm. One problem with digital tapes is that the recorded signal degrades faster than analog. So you might still be able to play (carefully) and restore an analog tape master from the 1950s if it's in reasonable physical condition, but a digital tape from the 1980s is very likely to be unusable even if perfectly preserved physically.

    For archiving analog sources, it's most important to preserve the physical condition, so it can be played and the signal then processed to remove any degradation; if properly recorded, the signal degrades quite slowly. Digital, on any media but especially magnetic, requires periodic re-writing to new media. Even well into the digital era, may studies would print analog tapes for archiving because they were more robust than digital.