Should Calls From Google's 'Duplex' System Include Initial Warning Announcements? (vortex.com)
Yesterday at its I/O developer conference, Google debuted "Duplex," an AI system for accomplishing real world tasks over the phone. "To show off its capabilities, CEO Sundar Pichai played two recordings of Google Assistant running Duplex, scheduling a hair appointment and a dinner reservation," reports Quartz. "In each, the person picking up the phone didn't seem to realize they were talking to a computer." Slashdot reader Lauren Weinstein argues that the new system should come with some sort of warning to let the other person on the line know that they are talking with a computer: With no exceptions so far, the sense of these reactions has confirmed what I suspected -- that people are just fine with talking to automated systems so long as they are aware of the fact that they are not talking to another person. They react viscerally and negatively to the concept of machine-based systems that have the effect (whether intended or not) of fooling them into believing that a human is at the other end of the line. To use the vernacular: "Don't try to con me, bro!" Luckily, there's a relatively simple way to fix this problem at this early stage -- well before it becomes a big issue impacting many lives.
I believe that all production environment calls (essentially, calls not being made for internal test purposes) from Google's Duplex system should be required by Google to include an initial verbal warning to the called party that they have been called by an automated system, not by a human being -- the exact wording of that announcement to be determined.
UPDATE (5/10/18): Google now says Duplex will identify itself to humans.
I believe that all production environment calls (essentially, calls not being made for internal test purposes) from Google's Duplex system should be required by Google to include an initial verbal warning to the called party that they have been called by an automated system, not by a human being -- the exact wording of that announcement to be determined.
UPDATE (5/10/18): Google now says Duplex will identify itself to humans.
Why should they? There is no logical reason for them to do so. If the bot works as well in reality as it did in the three demos, thern there is no reason to 'warn' the person on the other end that it is a bot.
Also if the bot can't respond it seamlessly hands off to a call service employee, so there shouldn't be any issues with the bot wasting the time of the reservation takers time.
When the bot called the hair salon it started the call by saying "Hi, I'm calling on behalf of a client and would like to book..."
You can solve this problem by changing this to: "Hi, this is Alexa (or Google whatever) calling on behalf of a client and would like to book..."
This will take the masses about 30 seconds to adapt to and we can dispense with all the drama. At this point there is no need for them to have different names.
Sometime in the future when they're sentient and want to talk to each other that will have to change.
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Why on earth would we want to spend taxpayer money or government resources on this sort of thing?!?
This is the exact sort of thing that the free market should decide. If you need this degree of coddling, please see a psychologist as you have a serious phobia.
No, No, and...hell no.
I believe that......
And I don't. Seeing as we're both not Google, our opinions on this topic are pretty much moot.
You are in a twisty maze of processor lines, all alike.
There is a lot of hype here.
I don't know about you, but if I get a call from an automated system I just hang up. If the call starts off immediately by saying it is automated I'm sure that is what will happen. The first thing that has to happen is to indicate to the recipient what the call is about; after that they can say (especially if there is a response the system doesn't understand) that they are a machine.
With luck, soon both sides: the appointment-making and the reservation-taking will be given over to the machines. So this will simply be my Duplex calling your Duplex. I can see some benefits to each of them knowing they are talking to (essentially) themself, that way they could both hang up and negotiate whatever the call was about far more efficiently in a few milliseconds.
It is only while there is the possibility that one system is so archaic that it still has an actual person taking the call that there is a difficulty. But even then, it's not much of an issue, what with the Duplex system being backwards compatible with meat.
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People get what they want, easier and faster.
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I want this ready to keep up a conversation with a telemarketer.
It is very difficult to know whether these machines are intelligent or not. If they are just playing to some fairly fixed scripts then as long as the person at the other end stays within the script then no real intelligence is needed. Eliza/Doctor did this sort of thing 50 years ago by simple pattern recognition on sentences.
Sure, this system is smarter than Eliza (hopefully), but I suspect that the moment you go off script it fails catastrophically. The human would soon tweak that they were talking to an automated bot (even if they were actually talking to another human that was not too smart!).
These things have the potential to be really annoying.
Eventually, they may know what a restaurant booking really is beyond the superficial words and phrases. At that point people will be redundant. But that is still decades away.
According to the latest LLVM debacle, yes. White males like me are indeed being specifically singled out, targeted, and attacked. It is hateful, racist and has as much place in our society as any other gender or racial bias.
Or are you saying it is okay to discriminate against me? Because that is the vibe I am getting from google and many others. I have never discriminated against anyone before and I'll be damned if I will let it happen to me.
Your not the first one to say that I am 'crying' because I am white, *hint* your still a racist asshole no matter who your being racist against.
Figuring it is A-OKAY because I am white just proves my point.
That would defeat the purpose of training the AI on genuine human conversations. If the recipient knew it was an AI calling they would be likely to change their behaviour such as talking in shorter, simpler sentences with overly exaggerated pronunciation.
Don't know about the announcement, but after listening to the calls I think someone should teach Duplex that round digits in phone numbers are zeros (not the letter o).
I'm much less concerned about the "omg the person I was talking to wasn't actually a person" and much more about the abuse potential of the whole thing.
A lot of the real world works because as human beings we can generally trust each other, exceptions are rare enough to not break the system and a personal interaction establishes a slim line of bidirectional trust.
If you have access to such a system, and I'm certain they will make it generally available, there's a business there, you can now flood the restaurant or hairdresser etc you didn't like with fake reservations, denying them actual business.
They will have to answer with verification systems, which a) makes everything more complicated for us actual humans and b) adds a small overhead and c) just starts the arms race we already know from IT security.
And that is just the very first thing that comes to mind. Criminals are sure to be more creative than that. These systems are disruptive, and I haven't seen anyone thinking about solutions to that so far. Maybe the world after we solve this will be better than the world now, but it will be a major change. I'm reasonably sure that reservations of all kinds via telephone will go away. When the dust settles, you will no longer call a restaurant to ask for a table. You will tell your smartphone to reserve one, which will then call the restaurants computer, they will manage the verification and validation details in the background and generate a token that you can show at the entrance to get your table.
I'm a tech person, I feel comfortable with that. I would probably prefer it over calling the restaurant and speaking to a real person and we barely understand each other because of the noise in the background, etc. - but many people prefer to actually interact with an actual human being and that will be lost to them.
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I believe that all production environment calls (essentially, calls not being made for internal test purposes) from Google's Duplex system should be required by Google to include an initial verbal warning to the called party that they have been called by an automated system, not by a human being -- the exact wording of that announcement to be determined.
OK First this right here is a major hurdle. If you make this thing warn people it's a robocall, most folks will just hang up immediately, thinking it's yet another sales pitch, or free cruise, or health insurance, gawd there's so many now. So this is DOA if it's gotta announce it's automated.
But as a side note, it's going to be amusing when our 'AI's start calling each other to whatever, communicating in simulated english or whatever spoken language the systems in question are trained on.
Obviously the real solution is for your hair stylist and favorite restaurant have some non-verbal mechanism for arranging appointments or reservations or whatever. Obviously every one and every company and every little this and that can't have their own App for achieving this, which is what some larger companies are doing to migrate 'ordering stuff' from humans talking to humans to humans just fondling their portable personal computer.
I'm imagine whomever cobbles such a system together and convinces a large segment of the population to use it is going to be rich. But this Duplex thing? DOA. The stigma surrounding robocalls is all bad, and all deserved I'm afraid.
Yes I'd rather have warning I will be speaking to a resident of a 3rd world shithole reading from a script who has never used the product
I agree, this would appear to be an illegal robocall. I don't understand how Google doesn't realize this is a problem.
For those in favor of this, what would you think of v2.0 of the appointment robot automatically calling ALL restaurants within a 5 mile radius to book a table? And there's no reason all the calls cannot be simultaneous. And then calling back ALL-1 to cancel. Restaurants will need to hire a team to staff their phones (or, just automate it as well...this may be what Google has in mind, force businesses to automate their phones as well). And then v3.0 is competitors abuse the system: do something to get users of this product to Denial-of-Service their competitors. It's obvious that any automated call system is ripe for abuse by unsavory actors by tricking normal people to do something abusive.
And, lowly workers now have to grovel at the sounds of the automated butlers of the rich. I would expect a backlash.
> With no exceptions so far, the sense of these reactions has confirmed what I suspected -- that people are just fine with talking to automated systems so long as they are aware of the fact that they are not talking to another person.
Let me be the first then. I hate the damn things, and I REALLY can't believe that I am exceptional in that respect.
And when will this apply to robocallers, spammers, and debt collectors who use pre-recorded messages that try to trick people into thinking a human is calling them? Y'know, shit that they've been doing for over a decade and without anyone even raising an eyebrow.
If Google is going to be required to disclose it's an AI call, then all robocallers should have to as well.
They should introduce themselves like this:
"Hello, this is Google's Duplex, calling for John Doe. John would like a table for two at 6 PM this Saturday....."
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