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London Plans To Ban Junk Food Advertising On Public Transport (bloomberg.com)

Junk food advertising could be banned from the entire Transport for London network under proposals announced by Mayor Sadiq Khan, as he tries to tackle rising levels of childhood obesity in the city. From a report: "I want to reduce the influence and pressure that can be put on children and families to make unhealthy choices," Khan said in a statement announcing the proposals to ban advertisements for unhealthy food and drink on London's trains, buses and bus shelters. The mayor also proposed a ban on new hot food takeaway stores opening within 400 meters of schools.

London has one of the highest childhood obesity rates in Europe -- nearly 40 percent of 10-11 year-olds in the capital are overweight or obese, according to the statement. Children from poorer areas are disproportionately affected by the "obesity epidemic," Khan said, adding that young people from Barking and Dagenham in East London are almost twice as likely to be overweight as children from the upmarket Richmond neighborhood.

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  1. Why is this here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not tech. Not even tech related.
    Maybe Sadiq could start with banning ads for political junk ideology, like his own, which leads to far more deaths like encouraging boys to NOT be athletic or active leading to... obesity.

    1. Re:Why is this here? by cayenne8 · · Score: 2
      You know....I see the thought and good intentions behind this type of move.

      But I'm torn...is it really the government's business to play nanny, and try to prevent stupid people from behaving stupidly?

      I mean, in this day in age....does not pretty much everyone not already know that pre-processed junk food is bad for you? That overeating processed carbs and SUGAR will cause obesity?

      Is it that somehow, the general public is now so fucking stupid they don't know this, and that these subway ads sway their behavior in such an unavoidable fashion that they must be protected from ads?

      Hmm.....why not, instead....have the government actively PROMOTE that people cook their own meals (try to encourage the family meal again), and to eat more unprocessed vegetables, cut back on sugar and carbs.

      Why not promote what works actively....and stay out of who advertises what, you know?

      Rather than withhold product information (nothing wrong with these things in moderation), why not instead promote ideas of HOW to eat healthy.

      Why not help fund and start up grow co-ops in the poorer areas, the areas that have had these spring up, have really helped the food desert communities, to educate them and get the kids interested in growing healthy food they can consume.

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    2. Re:Why is this here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not tech. Not even tech related.

      No-one said that /. was a `tech` news site. There's plenty of those already by the way. Their slogan reads 'News for nerds, stuff that matters'. Apparently you associate 'nerds' with 'tech', which is an understandable mistake. However, political news, and news related to civilian rights, or involve 'culture-changing paradigms' always had their place at this website, as it is considered 'stuff that matters'.

      This very article is one of them, as it is about politics trying to change/shape society by taking away a bit of freedom from companies, and was therefore considered relevant by the editors and/or the people voting topics at the firehose. Feel free to skip it and continue to stories you find more interesting.

    3. Re:Why is this here? by religionofpeas · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But I'm torn...is it really the government's business to play nanny, and try to prevent stupid people from behaving stupidly?

      If you expect the government to pay for the consequences, they should also have the right to prevent.

    4. Re:Why is this here? by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you expect the government to pay for the consequences, they should also have the right to prevent.

      Well, I don't expect the government to pay for the consequences....

      At least in the US.....and if the UK is like the US, I wish they'd stop subsidizing the farming and mass production of the very foods that are causing the obesity epidemics in our nations...and others around they world.

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    5. Re:Why is this here? by zieroh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But I'm torn...is it really the government's business to play nanny, and try to prevent stupid people from behaving stupidly?

      I think it's a legitimate function of government to prevent corporations from preying on the unwary public, especially those who aren't otherwise well-informed.

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    6. Re:Why is this here? by war4peace · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But I'm torn...is it really the government's business to play nanny, and try to prevent stupid people from behaving stupidly?

      Reality says "yes".
      Remember the government proposal is an effect, you will have to look up the cause.

      I mean, in this day in age....does not pretty much everyone not already know that pre-processed junk food is bad for you? That overeating processed carbs and SUGAR will cause obesity?

      Reality says "no".
      Most people won't give a fuck. They buy and eat whatever tastes good, is heavily advertised and is available nearby.

      Is it that somehow, the general public is now so fucking stupid they don't know this, and that these subway ads sway their behavior in such an unavoidable fashion that they must be protected from ads?

      Reality says "yes".

      People have always been fucking stupid. Also, the human body is wired to respond positively to sugar. Also, cheap food is usually bad and poor people choose cheap food.
      But yes, these are not the only issues causing obesity. Fact of the matter is that most edible stuff that's available in supermarkets and not only contains various types of sugar in one form or another, from meat to bread to pickled peppers and mustard. THAT practice (putting sugar in food products it doesn't belong) needs to be banned, and right away.

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    7. Re:Why is this here? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Actually I figured it was here because most tech people had a long-lasting relationship with junk food. I'm certainly not gong to cast the first stone disparaging something that kept me fed through very long hours in a computer lab...

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    8. Re:Why is this here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a story about banning BUS ADS to score political points.

      It's not at all "news that matters" nor science and its a waste of headline posts when there are far more relevant articles out there that ARE related to the supposed editorial content of this site. There's articles analyzing the surprising success of Fortnite, The Expanse being cancelled by SciFi, not one peep about Overwatch selling skins as charity. I can read this story on any other website on the net - it's not why I read Slashdot.

    9. Re:Why is this here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But I'm torn...is it really the government's business to play nanny, and try to prevent stupid people from behaving stupidly?

      If you expect the government to pay for the consequences, they should also have the right to prevent.

      Except it is cheaper for the government to pay for their medical bills and let them die earlier than to keep them alive and have to pay for their social security. Sure, the government has to pay for the consequences and the consequences are that they save money...

    10. Re:Why is this here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's not just the subsidization, but also that they food guidelines that they released decades ago that more recent research has shown to be not just wrong, but even harmful given the more sedentary life styles of today. Massive numbers of people put their trust in that incorrect information or have had it ground into them for decades and continue to follow it even after we've found out it's wrong. Schools based their lunch menus around those same guidelines and contributed to the problem as well.

    11. Re:Why is this here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um but the people pay the taxes that provide their health care. Its just managed by government. The people also pay for the public transportation so shouldn't have a right to eat whatever on it as long as it doesn't poise a problem to other riders?

    12. Re: Why is this here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We need Food Nazism in addition to Feminazism and Econazism now???

    13. Re:Why is this here? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      I think it's a legitimate function of government to prevent corporations from preying on the unwary public, especially those who aren't otherwise well-informed.

      Wouldn't the govt funds be better served by informing the people about healthy choices, make a NEW food pyramid, tell them the evils of sugar and processed foods, to cook and eat "real" food, rather than trying to ban every company trying to sell junk food?

      I'd rather see the govt doing something POSITIVE rather than negative banning this or that ad....

      Maybe even start teaching healthy food choices and how to grow gardens in the schools, start the kids out early on what is good food for them....!!

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    14. Re:Why is this here? by zieroh · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't the govt funds be better served by informing the people about healthy choices, make a NEW food pyramid, tell them the evils of sugar and processed foods, to cook and eat "real" food, rather than trying to ban every company trying to sell junk food?

      First, banning advertising on public transit doesn't cost anything. Or, rather, the cost is negligible.

      Second, yes, public education about healthy choices would be great. It costs much more than banning advertising, but I agree that education programs would be a positive step.

      Third, there's no reason the two can't co-exist. It's not an either-or.

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    15. Re:Why is this here? by Wrath0fb0b · · Score: 1

      Indeed. I think the question of whether food that doesn't market itself as healthy constitutes 'preying'

      By all means if someone is advertising burgers as health food, shut 'em down for false advertising. But when a place advertises it's as the Heart Attack Grill, it seems like they are being pretty damned honest about it.

    16. Re:Why is this here? by mysidia · · Score: 2

      If you expect the government to pay for the consequences, they should also have the right to prevent.

      Right to prevent, sure.... but don't mess with the food companies. Childhood obesity is Not a problem with foods --- It's a problem with kids not getting enough exercise and having a bad overall diet.

      The logical thing to do then is to mandate that children complete a certain number of exercise hours per week and keep a food diary, with food intake meeting certain qualifications Before they are allowed to use public transportation ---- If Not, then you can walk.

    17. Re:Why is this here? by mikael · · Score: 1

      It was the government's fault in the first place to allow property developers to build over all the playing fields, small parks and green spaces in London in the goal of "solving the housing crisis". Same with reducing housing standards so the property developers could pack more homes in more space. Then they allowed the food manufacturers to use all the different preservatives and chemical processes to make processed food more "attractive".

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    18. Re:Why is this here? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      Well, he already got ads with ladies showing too much skin banned, and I am not so sure what problem that ban was supposed to solve... But if you can ban ads for violating your idea of morality or decency, then you can certainly ban them to prevent people form making stupid choices.

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    19. Re:Why is this here? by mikael · · Score: 1

      The question to be asked is why are children preferring to eat food from the fast food chains rather than school meals?
      What makes the school meals unattractive? Is the soggy chips, fish fingers and squishy peas that they used to serve?

      Other countries like France have the parents help prepare and school school lunches meals. That helps to keep the quality up and the food served fresh.

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    20. Re:Why is this here? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So if they foist some universal health care package on me, which I didn't ask for, they can then dictate pretty much all aspects of my life? No thanks. That is why socialized anything should NEVER come with the automatic assumption that they have the right to prevent.

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    21. Re:Why is this here? by sabri · · Score: 3, Funny

      If you expect the government to pay for the consequences, they should also have the right to prevent.

      "The Government" is not paying for anything. It's the tax-payer's money, taken by threat of force.

      That said, this is yet another indication that the freedom of speech is non-existent in the U.K.

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    22. Re: Why is this here? by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Not all regulation fits your definition. Some is necessary, some is long overdue, and some is retarded.

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    23. Re:Why is this here? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So if they foist some universal health care package on me, which I didn't ask for, they can then dictate pretty much all aspects of my life?

      Well that degnerated fast.

      Yes they "foisted" some universal healthcare package on us which happens to get on average better outcomes than the US system for about half the cost per capita. Apparently the foisting works.

      And as for "them" dictating aspects of your life? Firstly, this is TFL who are refusing to advertise harmful products, not the national government (the one doing the foisting). Secondly, refusing to accept advertising from some global megacorps is hardly dictating "pretty much all aspects of your life". You're still free to go to McDonalds as often as you like.

      That is why socialized anything should NEVER come with the automatic assumption that they have the right to prevent.

      It doesn't.

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    24. Re:Why is this here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not if I smash Gub'mnt face for trying. BAMAB. Bet that crushed nose hurts !! There' ya go Brit-bitch governmentizer. Watcha gonna do when yob boyz smash thru ya gaffot woginizer ?

    25. Re:Why is this here? by ljw1004 · · Score: 1

      I mean, in this day in age....does not pretty much everyone not already know that pre-processed junk food is bad for you?

      That's an irrelevant question, and use of the word "know" is way off-base when it comes to advertising.

      The question is, does the advertising on junk food cause more people to purchase junk food than otherwise would? The answer is self-evidently yes. (by following the money). So this move will obviously reduce the amount of junk food ingested. It's not a great leap to think that this will in turn reduce the amount of obesity.

    26. Re:Why is this here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But I'm torn...is it really the government's business to play nanny, and try to prevent stupid people from behaving stupidly?

      Why not, as long they do it in a way that doesn't violate people's rights? (and I don't consider "right for business to advertise whatever they like where they like" to be a human right).

      I don't know why people are defending advertising - it's obnoxious, intrusive, economically wasteful and in the case of harmful products, damaging too. There needs to be far less of it.

    27. Re:Why is this here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What speech is being suppressed here?

      If you really think that commercial advertising is "free speech" worthy of protection that you're a loon (or a libertarian... but I repeat myself).

    28. Re: Why is this here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That said, this is yet another indication that the freedom of speech is non-existent in the U.K.

      Yeah, the UK doesn't even let you flagrantly lie in your advertising. Truly, being punished for defrauding your customers is the greatest tyranny that Thomas Jefferson mentioned in the Declaration of Independence.

    29. Re:Why is this here? by Obfuscant · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well that degnerated fast.

      Yes, it has. It started downhill with the talk about "if you expect the government to pay for", which isn't a fact that is in evidence.

      Firstly, this is TFL who are refusing to advertise harmful products,

      No, actually, it is a proposed ban by the City of London. The Government.

      Secondly, refusing to accept advertising from some global megacorps

      It's not a ban on advertising from "global megacorps", it's a ban on fast food advertisements "from companies like McDonalds". There are a lot more fast food restaurants than just McD's. From TFS: "A large percentage of the advertising that would be affected comes from 'a handful' of major companies and brands," which means a large percentage would be for a lot of small companies -- not "global megacorps".

      Also from TFS: "Mayor Khan also proposed a ban on new hot food takeaway stores opening within 400 meters (1,300 feet) of schools." That would include Uncle Bill's Chippy Shop, run by Uncle Bill and his family. Clearly not "global megacorps".

      You need to rein in your hatred for "global megacorp" and your attempt to justify stupid laws because they would only impact those you hate, because those stupid laws will hurt a lot of small players, too.

    30. Re:Why is this here? by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      But I'm torn...is it really the government's business to play nanny, and try to prevent stupid people from behaving stupidly?

      One function of our civilization is to carry dumbasses on our backs in the hope they will eventually learn to participate usefully in society.

      Libertarian leaning people don't want the government forcing people to do things, and individuals should be in charge of as many decisions about their own life as possible. Anarcho-capitalism don't want anyone regulating any business venture. I consider these two very different ideas that aren't coupled to each other, but are frequently used as the political platform of American Libertarians. (at least the outspoken ones online)

      I'm more of the philosophy of: You should lead a horse to water. But you shouldn't force him to drink.

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    31. Re:Why is this here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      an industry fueled by hot pockets, coca-cola, snickers bars, 'energy' drinks, and fancy coffees? yea, its relevant.

    32. Re:Why is this here? by Obfuscant · · Score: 2

      It was the government's fault in the first place ... Same with reducing housing standards ...

      So it is the government's fault that parents choose substandard housing and poor environments to raise their children? Should the government force ALL housing to be adequate to raise a four person family in a healthy environment, or should it step out and allow different options for different needs? I.e., a four person family really ought to have at least three bedrooms. Absolute minimum, two. There has to be a park nearby with lots of play activity. Etc. But that will raise the prices unnecessarily for single people looking for basic housing.

      If you are a single 20-something seeking a place to live reasonably close to work in the big city, then you will be priced out of the market if the only thing available is your "family friendly" multi-person dwelling. Even if you're a newlywed couple. No sane four-person family wants to live in the heart of the city, so all those government-required three bedroom housing units will ... not be used by sane four member families.

      Then they allowed the food manufacturers to use all the different preservatives and chemical processes to make processed food more "attractive".

      They allow preservatives to keep the food from decomposing and rotting, and going to waste if it isn't eaten in a day or two. Improving shelf life and allowing longer farm-to-table times increases the food supply and allows the same amount to feed more people. It improves diversity in the food supply so that a local drought or crop failure doesn't cause starvation. It reduces spoilage on the shelves so grocers don't have to charge higher prices to cover lost sales.

      Rant about sugar, yeah, but going back to the 1800's for limited lifetime on food products is asinine. I happen to like the "attractiveness" of unmoldy cheese and green vegetables that aren't brown and meat that isn't green and fuzzy instead of red.

    33. Re:Why is this here? by Obfuscant · · Score: 3, Informative

      The question is, does the advertising on junk food cause more people to purchase junk food than otherwise would? The answer is self-evidently yes. (by following the money).

      The answer is not as simple as that. It will increase the amount spent at the advertiser's stores, otherwise they wouldn't do it. Does it increase the size of the overall market?

      We had a "Burgerville" move in to replace a local Wendy's. (Wendy's made the stupid decision to simultaneously close many of their stores for a system-wide remodel; some of them never re-opened.) They're the "high class" fast food with $6 burgers. Across the street is a McDs that doesn't seem as busy as it used to be, and one block away is a Burger King that I know isn't as busy because it is boarded up closed. New store, new ads, but the market didn't expand to keep everyone in business.

      So this move will obviously reduce the amount of junk food ingested.

      There your "it's obvious" argument fails. A customer who is likely to buy a McD product based on the ad is already likely to buy something from any convenient store he passes by. Advertising sometimes tries to increase a market; sometimes it only redirects the existing market to make different choices.

      It's not a great leap to think that this will in turn reduce the amount of obesity.

      Uhh, yeah, actually it is. You're now two levels away from "obvious". If someone doesn't see an ad for McD, does that mean he will eat something more healthful? Or will he just buy junk food from a convenience store (or the main grocery), or some other cheap stuff that isn't good for him but is quick and easy to consume? If you aren't reminded of how convenient McD is, will you find a grocer with fresh produce, buy the parts to make a balanced dinner, go home and take the hour to prepare and eat it, or will you just stop in the shop on the corner and pick up some takeout of something else?

      Are those people who used to stop at the BK in my town now eating well-balanced, nutritious meals prepared fresh? Or are they in line at Burgerville or McD?

      If you are a consumer already primed to eat well, then a McDs ad will be irrelevant. McD and other fast food ads are targeted at people who are already going to make poor choices in their foods, and that's what causes the health problems, not which of the many fast food places they pick to consume their poor food choices.

    34. Re:Why is this here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, actually, it is a proposed ban by the City of London. The Government.

      Khan isn't the mayor of "The City of London", he's the mayor of London. If you don't grasp the distinction perhaps you shouldn't presume to speak with such authority.

      TfL is a publicly owned and operated company, so of course the mayor gets make this decision; it's not some evil gubmint overreach. If a democratically elected administrator decides that restricting advertising of potentially harmful* products will serve the public good then... well, that's part of why we elect them. There's no real difference in principle between banning McDonalds adverts and banning cigarette/alcohol adverts.

      *That's his opinion and he's entitled to it, whether or not you or I agree. I dare you to say that you support everything that your mayor (or nearest equivalent) does.

      Well that degnerated fast.

      Yes, it has. It started downhill with the talk about "if you expect the government to pay for", which isn't a fact that is in evidence.

      Actually it is. People do rightly expect the NHS to help them with any health problem, including self-inflicted ones; that's what we pay for. It's not unreasonable for governmental bodies (even local rather than central government) to 'nudge' us toward a more healthy lifestyle. An ounce of prevention really is worth a pound of cure, and we're only talking about removing hamburger/fried chicken/kebab adverts from the tube and the buses.

      The GGP went from "If you expect the government to pay for the consequences, they should also have the right to prevent." to "they can then dictate pretty much all aspects of my life". That's an absurd overreaction, and he's an ass.

    35. Re:Why is this here? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      If Government were actually interested in serving you, they'd also ban advertising of lots of things like tobacco, alcohol, and even foods that much worse for you than a Big Mac. This is grandstanding, pure and simple.

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    36. Re: Why is this here? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      The children could get badges to wear on their uniforms to show their compliance with dietary guidelines. Badges that would give them the right of way in public and on the public transport system.

      Yes, you can see where this is going. Don't mind my /s.

    37. Re:Why is this here? by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 1

      Obesity is especially dangerous in London, as it makes it harder to dodge the knives, knives, knives.

    38. Re:Why is this here? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      What ads will the UK ban next?

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    39. Re: Why is this here? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      The mechanism that generates regulation is ambitious, aggressive and fairly self-propelled. It is perilous to overly encourage such mechanisms to be established.

    40. Re: Why is this here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An ounce of prevention isn't worth a pound of cure. That's a 15 year old buzzword that's wrong.

    41. Re:Why is this here? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Especially children. Parents often appreciate these limits because the ads prompt their kids to start nagging them McDonald's. Yes yes they should be "good" parents and just say no or whatever, but in the real world it's useful to them to have this stuff banned.

      There is evidence for it working too. The ban on junk food ads during children's TV shows was effective.

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    42. Re:Why is this here? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The way it used to work is that the government built houses and rented them out cheap. They were decent houses too, with facilities near by.

      That kept the private house builders and landlords honest. They had to offer something better than the already pretty good baseline. It kept prices down too.

      Didn't always work, but when it did it was far better than what we have now.

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    43. Re:Why is this here? by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      People are not doing unhealthy things on their own, not at all. Scammy lying manipulative pieces of shite are tricking them with addictive ingredients like MSG and false extremely repetitious ads, to drive them to consumer (don't even try to lie about the damaging psychological affects of the repeated ads, repeated and repeated and repeated, for maximum psychological impact). They lie all of the time and at every level from scammed deceitful B$ science as Public relations, covering everything from deceit about calories grading all equally even those one you can not possibly consumer against sugar (soluble carbohydrates), no sugar rush for children, yeah not on controlled diets, to exercise to combat consumption but most can not exercise as much as they eat.

      So you have a right to choose but others do not have a right to lie, deceive, manipulate, corrupt and ruthlessly kill their victims. So no advertising for junk food, especially not targeted at children. Consumable calories listed on the box. All ingredients detailed. Any deceitful advertising and triple revenue for that product penalties. Also if their foods kill, they should suffer that criminal penalty, all involved from science to sales, all should pay the price with a custodial sentence and a controlled diet.

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    44. Re:Why is this here? by EvilAlphonso · · Score: 1

      Alcohol?

    45. Re:Why is this here? by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      No, actually, it is a proposed ban by the City of London. The Government.

      It amounts to the same thing. Transport for London is a government owned organisation and the Mayor of London is effectively in charge.

      This "ban" really amounts to TfL saying "we won't accept advertising from fast food companies anymore".

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    46. Re:Why is this here? by jeremyp · · Score: 2

      My healthcare costs me less than in taxes US health insurance costs in premiums (quite a lot less actually). I don't have to worry about pre-existing conditions, losing health cover if I lose my job, having to pay extortionate bills if I go to or get taken to the wrong hospital or going bankrupt just because I am ill.

      The USA could do with a bit of that kind of foisting. Frankly, in the modern world a country that has no universal healthcare system is barely civilised.

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    47. Re:Why is this here? by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      If Government were actually interested in serving you, they'd also ban advertising of lots of things like tobacco, alcohol,

      Cigarette advertising is banned throughout the UK. You can't even put packets of cigarettes on open display if you are selling them. Alcohol advertising is severely restricted but not banned altogether.

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    48. Re:Why is this here? by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      He did no such thing, but thank you for showing your colours with that barely disguised "he's a moooslim!!!1!" dog whistle.

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    49. Re:Why is this here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps he should have banned the transport and kept the ads.

    50. Re:Why is this here? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      No, actually, it is a proposed ban by the City of London. The Government.

      The City? Are you sure about that? Saddiq and TFL have nothing to do with the City. Plus tht's local government not "the government" which is almost always used to refer to Westminster. To double down it's certainly not the same government that has anything to do with the NHS.

      It's not a ban on advertising from "global megacorps", it's a ban on fast food advertisements "from companies like McDonalds".

      Which is totaly not a global megacorp. Neither is BurgerKing or KFC.

      A large percentage of the advertising that would be affected comes from 'a handful' of major companies and brands," which means a large percentage would be for a lot of small companies -- not "global megacorps".

      So? Small companies can't advertise cigarettes either.

      Also from TFS: "Mayor Khan also proposed a ban on new hot food takeaway stores opening within 400 meters (1,300 feet) of schools." That would include Uncle Bill's Chippy Shop, run by Uncle Bill and his family. Clearly not "global megacorps".

      Yep. Uncle Bill can't get a free pass either. While the global fast food megacorps are extremely harmful, the food isn't less so just because it comes fom uncle bill.

      You need to rein in your hatred for "global megacorp" and your attempt to justify stupid laws because they would only impact those you hate, because those stupid laws will hurt a lot of small players, too.

      It's part of why we can't have nice things. Anytime there's an oppostunity to make money doing harm people will do so. Preventing them will never be perfectly precise, but it's worse to do nothing.

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    51. Re:Why is this here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I don't expect the government to pay for the consequences....

      How very American of you. Feed the poor people till they get fat and suffer from the associated problems, then let them die because they can't afford the resulting medical bills.

    52. Re:Why is this here? by Barsteward · · Score: 1

      this is just one part of it part of a bigger plan, The main reason for the ban on public transport is to stop the kids pestering for these foods when they are out and about. Apparently its was done in Amsterdam (also as part of a grander plan) and its been working.

      "I mean, in this day in age....does not pretty much everyone not already know that pre-processed junk food is bad for you? That overeating processed carbs and SUGAR will cause obesity?"
      "Is it that somehow, the general public is now so fucking stupid they don't know this, and that these subway ads sway their behavior in such an unavoidable fashion that they must be protected from ads?" - its because ads work best on kids and a lot of parents are crap and can;t say "no".

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    53. Re: Why is this here? by Barsteward · · Score: 1

      thats the first time i've heard Benjamin Franklins phrase called a 15 year old buzzword.

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    54. Re:Why is this here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The government is promoting healthy food - see https://www.nhs.uk/change4life for one example.

      And they're not banning junk food, or even banning advertising junk food, just saying that they won't allow it on their property (or the property of their contractors, to be pedantic). You can advertise junk food all you want on private buildings and vehicles.

      (That's ignoring that TfL is run by Greater London, not the UK Government, anyway)

    55. Re:Why is this here? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      Fully agree: universal healthcare, or healthcare that is well-regulated to the point were it is affordable, is a good thing. But not if it comes with a list of commandments.

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    56. Re:Why is this here? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      In addition to the other reply, sales of alcohol are age restricted. I have far less of a problem with adverts that encourage adults to make poor life choices than ones that encourage children to do the same. When modern adverts are using psychological manipulation techniques developed for propaganda, allowing advertising of any kind to target children is morally dubious.

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    57. Re:Why is this here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And there's more target area for acid attacks.

    58. Re:Why is this here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well informed by the government? The same government (in the US) that preached to us over the last 40 years to eat a high carb, low fat diet where eggs are cholesterol bombs that will kill you. That "advice" has been supplanted by: well eggs are okay then, oh and high carb diet may not be so good. To hell with nanny state government.

    59. Re: Why is this here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The government do a lot of positive reinforcement of the damage that sugar causes and how you can swap for healthier snacks. Every child in the UK will have seen a print version of this website : https://www.nhs.uk/change4life/food-facts/healthier-snacks-for-kids and in addition there have been advertising campaigns to get children to have apps with similar info on their tablets.

    60. Re: Why is this here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GP is obviously 15 and the world did not exist before he was born

    61. Re: Why is this here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is why government should be as small as possible to protect our borders, rights etc. But not be a supplier if health care, housing etc. That's how it really owns you.

    62. Re: Why is this here? by DatbeDank · · Score: 1

      Bullshit! The NHS sucks for anything outside emergency care.

      My wife had to wait 6 months to see an oncologist.

      I had to wait 4 months to see a dermatologist for a cancerous mole.

      The truth of the matter is: anyone in the UK with means gets private health insurance. That means your regular mid level office grunt is paying extra for private healthcare.

      We ended up flying back to the US where both of our problems were taken care of in a week. A Week!

      Not to mention the nurses and staff in the US weren't miserable as sin. Probably because they were busy striking which happens to be a fairly regular occurrence.

    63. Re: Why is this here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, they tried that with tabacco.

    64. Re: Why is this here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Thou shall pay taxes"

    65. Re:Why is this here? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      So - what defines "junk food"? The link I used earlier shows what many people consider healthy is actually worse than a Big Mac. Is "junk food" food with a certain amount of calories per serving? Too much sugar? Fat content? This seems to me really just a move to try to do "feel good" actions rather than deal with the underlying issues which tend to be lack of exercise - not just diet, but the other side of things.

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    66. Re:Why is this here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does advertising work?

      If it doesn't, then it doesn't really matter either way whether they allow this advertising or not.

      If it does, then isn't there some sort of moral responsibility over the advertising they allow on their property?

      This is only applying to advertising on what are essentially properties controlled by TFL, there will still be plenty of other public spaces for junk food purveyors to advertise on.

    67. Re:Why is this here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least they don't tend to have to dodge bullets in their schools, so there is that.

    68. Re:Why is this here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ".and if the UK is like the US"
      It is not.

    69. Re:Why is this here? by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Plus tht's local government not "the government" which is almost always used to refer to Westminster.

      It is government. I didn't say federal or local. In the US, the "government" is turtles all the way from the top to the locals. The Constitution we have applies to all of them.

      The comment I replied to said that this was a decision by a local transit company. It isn't. It's the government. "London", "City of London", big fucking deal. It's like saying "New York" when referring to a mayor or the "city of New York."

      Which is totaly not a global megacorp. Neither is BurgerKing or KFC.

      Of course McDonalds is a megacorp. "Companies like McDonalds" are not necessarily megacorps. "Like" means "similar to", and in this context the similarity is "FAST allegedly bad FOOD". The POINT that you glibly ignore is that the prohibition is not against global megacorps, it's against the kind of food.

      Yep. Uncle Bill can't get a free pass either.

      Which proves the point I was making. Thanks for figuring that out.

      It's part of why we can't have nice things.

      What utter nonsense.

    70. Re:Why is this here? by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Obesity is especially dangerous in London, as it makes it harder to dodge the knives, knives, knives.

      Actually... they've banned carrying around knives in the UK now, and citizens will occasionally be searched
      to make sure they dont' have any. So now they just need to be able to dodge wrenches, clubs, baseball bats, spears, sharp punji sticks, and other improvised weapons.

  2. Perhaps you should worry about... by dejavux · · Score: 3, Insightful

    All the knife, and acid attacks going on in your city.

    1. Re:Perhaps you should worry about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes, it's a warzone out there
      https://www.statista.com/chart/13767/london-homicide-rate-in-perspective/

    2. Re:Perhaps you should worry about... by giggleloop · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You people have to stop getting your news from Fox and Breitbart. The homicide rate in London is not even 1/30th of the US' worst cities, and is nearly half that of New York (all per capita).

    3. Re:Perhaps you should worry about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You people have to stop getting your news from Fox and Breitbart. The homicide rate in London is not even 1/30th of the US' worst cities, and is nearly half that of New York (all per capita).

      Here's the Sun with an article more or less devoid of editorializing. Please tell us which facts you disagree with.

    4. Re:Perhaps you should worry about... by nukenerd · · Score: 0

      Of the 35 names of victims in that article, only 10 of them are recognisable as native English names. In fact most of the attacks are feuds between immigrants.

    5. Re:Perhaps you should worry about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And most US attacks are between blacks or are gang related crimes. They still occur within the country.

      I have no clue, nor do I care much about the crime rates in places I don't visit. The only time I'm in NYC is when passing through the train station. They have soldiers with automatic weapons hanging around the building. I'm not too worry about crime there.

      I live in NH, USA. Our worst crime rates are better than other parts of the country's best rates. I used to live in Rochester, NY, USA. A few years ago a couple was kidnapped through a fake party invitation and was brutally tortured to near death until the police found them a couple days later. Until then I hadn't realized horror movie style torture still goes on in this country.

    6. Re:Perhaps you should worry about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GP makes a valid point. U.S. cities with high homicide rates have a black problem. As London becomes darker, the crime rate increases.

    7. Re:Perhaps you should worry about... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      All the knife, and acid attacks going on in your city.

      We'll just import some American mental illness case with an arsenal of AR-15s. Then you will find knife attacks won't be in the news anymore.

  3. Lemme guess... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    McDonalds -> baaaaaaaad, baaaaaaaaaan'd
    Original British Fish&Chips -> Keep Calm and continue stuffin' your face

  4. Sadiq Khan is an inbred moron. by Chas · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Terrorism? "Oh. We'll just have to GET USED TO IT!" You know, like they do in 3rd world hell-holes where terror attacks are a daily thing.

    Rape gangs? *TUMBLEWEEDS*

    Police are ineffectual fops because criminals are ARMED and they AREN'T? And have to wait, sometimes for HOURS, for armed backup? *CRICKETS*

    Violent crime going through the roof? "NOBODY NEEDS A KNIFE!" And then they arrest a guy with a potato peeler.

    Fast Food? "OMGWTFBBQ! The evil has revealed itself! GET THEE BEHIND ME SATAN!"

    Just fucking pathetic.

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    1. Re:Sadiq Khan is an inbred moron. by coastwalker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Public health measures used to be debatable without crazy lies diverting attention. There is a problem with Western diet as shown by the epidemic of diabetes (approaching one in two people over the age of 50) whilst violent crime in London is comparatively low https://www.statista.com/chart...

      The question is how do we tackle the crisis in public health? Do you have any suggestions other than repeating messages from Russian trolls who want to destroy our society? What is it with you people who have latched on an obsessive hatred to the extent that it supersedes the ability to talk about anything else?

      Whether banning fast food advertisements is a useful move is debatable. I think that a great deal more attention needs to be paid to researching the causes of obesity and the Western diseases that are correlated with our diet. Research that must be done with government money and not food industry money as has often been done in the recent past. There is a lot of evidence coming to light that says that sugar and a lack of dietary fiber in our diet is much more of a problem than saturated fat or lack of exercise or overeating. The sugar causes metabolic disease and the lack of fiber damages our gut microbiome. Reducing fast food intake does not in itself address these two issues completely.

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    2. Re:Sadiq Khan is an inbred moron. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      murder rate in London is higher than NYC and this is considering that London is the socialist utopia with free mental health & no guns.

    3. Re:Sadiq Khan is an inbred moron. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because diabetes means dick if your civilization is unstable enough that you're going to die before getting it from eating poorly!

      Never mind the fact that banning junk food advertising is a far cry from banning the products themselves.

      No no... anybody pointing out the truth that there are bigger issues (that you want to ignore) is a RUSSIAN TROLL.

      And please conveniently forget the fact that up until a few years ago the GOVERNMENT said that breads, pasta and starchy vegetables like corn, peas and potatoes were healthy and should be eaten in abundance (that would be sugar)

    4. Re: Sadiq Khan is an inbred moron. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And just what are the unarmed brits going to do about it? Beg their literal monarch to actually perform the duties of their office?

      Just shut up, crouch down, and lick the hand that feeds you. You're not men; you don't deserve the respect given to men.

    5. Re:Sadiq Khan is an inbred moron. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      murder rate

      Honor killings. Please make sure you are working with the latest version of the Newspeak dictionary.

    6. Re:Sadiq Khan is an inbred moron. by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 2

      Public health measures used to be debatable without crazy lies diverting attention.

      Go ahead and show us one lie - just one - in what he wrote. Should be easy.

    7. Re:Sadiq Khan is an inbred moron. by Chas · · Score: 1

      Sorry. But these people are adults.
      And I'm a big proponent of personal responsibility.
      This kind of thing smacks of Big Brother and totalitarianism.

      As to how we tackle the crisis in public health?
      Simple. WE LET THEM DIE.

      It's not a nice thing to hear.
      But these people aren't children and can make their own choices.

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    8. Re:Sadiq Khan is an inbred moron. by jimbobxxx · · Score: 2

      murder rate in London is higher than NYC and this is considering that London is the socialist utopia with free mental health & no guns.

      For 2 months, it is higher. Don't think its yet something to draw conclusions from. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-4...

    9. Re:Sadiq Khan is an inbred moron. by jimbobxxx · · Score: 1

      Public health measures used to be debatable without crazy lies diverting attention.

      Go ahead and show us one lie - just one - in what he wrote. Should be easy.

      Yes it is. First sentence:

      Terrorism? "Oh. We'll just have to GET USED TO IT!" You know, like they do in 3rd world hell-holes where terror attacks are a daily thing.

      Don't think he said that.

    10. Re:Sadiq Khan is an inbred moron. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The police there are feckless because being accused of racism is literally the worst thing that can happen.

      Although they'll arrest you if you defend yourself with anything other than a rape alarm.

    11. Re:Sadiq Khan is an inbred moron. by Calydor · · Score: 2

      You're right, he didn't use the exact words "Get used to it".

      He used the words "part and parcel of life in a big city".

      https://www.standard.co.uk/new...

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    12. Re:Sadiq Khan is an inbred moron. by fredrated · · Score: 2

      Seems reasonable to me. In American cities we've had to get used to being gunned down by random drive-by's, mass shooters, various random acts of violence. The levels of these killings are much greater than the occasional terrorist attack in the UK.

    13. Re:Sadiq Khan is an inbred moron. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a nice line in facile, moral equivocating regurgitation you've got there. Who fed it to you? Given the choice between seeing junk food ads or being stabbed, bombed or run over, I'll go for the junk food ads, thanks.

    14. Re:Sadiq Khan is an inbred moron. by edtice1559 · · Score: 1

      Are you sure? I imagine that there is a lot of added sugar in fast food products. Maybe not the burgers. But certainly the beverages. Maybe the buns. Definitely the 'yogurt.'

    15. Re:Sadiq Khan is an inbred moron. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except, they aren't?

      Unless you're a gang member, of course. Funny how people tend to ignore that one detail. The vast majority of murder victims (and murderers) are gangbangers. Gangs kill gangs, and everyone else whines about "how violent Americans are". Tell me, how's Sweden these days? How many grenade attacks have there been this year? 8? 10?
      How many grenade attacks have there been in the US?

    16. Re:Sadiq Khan is an inbred moron. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'd rather take the incredibly small risk of being in a terror attack than put up with all the TSA / NSL / armed idiots everywhere bullshit you suffer with.

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    17. Re:Sadiq Khan is an inbred moron. by Chas · · Score: 1

      The problem is, I have a far better chance of falling off a bike and dying than I do of seeing a mass shooting, let alone dying in one.

      But hey, if you wanna get picky about how someone is going to kill/maim you (machetes, knives, trucks and acid? COOL! Guns? NO WAY!), I guess.

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    18. Re:Sadiq Khan is an inbred moron. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Terrorism? "Oh. We'll just have to GET USED TO IT!" You know, like they do in 3rd world hell-holes where terror attacks are a daily thing.

      126 people have died in Terror attacks in the UK since the turn of the millennium.
      There were over 1000 in the 15 years prior to that and over 2000 in the 15 years prior to that.

      Yeah. This level of terrorism is something I could really get used to.

      Rape gangs? *TUMBLEWEEDS*

      Yes crickets are usually the sound you hear after police go about their business of identifying arresting convicting and imprisoning / deporting the perpetrators. What were you expecting? A parade?

      Police are ineffectual fops because criminals are ARMED and they AREN'T? And have to wait, sometimes for HOURS, for armed backup? *CRICKETS*
      Violent crime going through the roof? "NOBODY NEEDS A KNIFE!" And then they arrest a guy with a potato peeler.

      LOL, Breitbart much? The police in the UK are doing just fine. And the homicide rate in the past 5 years is the lowest it's been in 3 decades. Knife crime was up the past 2 years, but not appreciably, and you're far safer in London than many US cities.

      Fast Food? "OMGWTFBBQ! The evil has revealed itself! GET THEE BEHIND ME SATAN!"

      Now to take this full circle. You started with sensationalistic terrorism: 126 deaths since the start of the year. Let's end with the 30000 people who die from obesity related illnesses every year.

      That's right, more people die from obesity related illness every year than the combination of:
      Terrorism.
      + Young girls getting raped by rape gangs
      + Police getting shot by bad guys.
      + People getting stabbed.

      Mind you if you get threatened by someone carrying a knife (not stabbed or killed) then in combination with all the above you're about on par with the number of people who die in the UK due to obesity related illnesses.

      Just fucking pathetic.

      Look I know where you're coming from. I too read the Daily Mail. The difference is I do it because it's important to read what stupid people read so you can understand their stupid comments.

    19. Re:Sadiq Khan is an inbred moron. by jimbobxxx · · Score: 1

      Except, they aren't?

      Unless you're a gang member, of course. Funny how people tend to ignore that one detail. The vast majority of murder victims (and murderers) are gangbangers. Gangs kill gangs, and everyone else whines about "how violent Americans are". Tell me, how's Sweden these days? How many grenade attacks have there been this year? 8? 10? How many grenade attacks have there been in the US?

      Don't know about Sweden. Maybe you could help Wikipedia who obviously have not been told about these attacks.

      Over here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      There have been a few school shootings in US. Maybe these are all gangs? https://edition.cnn.com/2018/0...

    20. Re:Sadiq Khan is an inbred moron. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wikipedia? Oh, they're right on top of the issue, with an entire page devoted to listing Grenade Attacks in Sweden

      Interesting, isn't it, that something you claim doesn't happen is actually significant enough to require its own entire page?

    21. Re: Sadiq Khan is an inbred moron. by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      I misread your name as Chav.

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    22. Re:Sadiq Khan is an inbred moron. by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

      Seems reasonable to me. In American cities we've had to get used to being gunned down by random drive-by's, mass shooters, various random acts of violence. The levels of these killings are much greater than the occasional terrorist attack in the UK.

      And, yet, the violence level in gun-free London is higher now than New York City. They're just using knives.

      Weird. As if those of us who say guns aren't the problem are correct or something.

      Oh, wait. We are.

    23. Re:Sadiq Khan is an inbred moron. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Sorry. But these people are adults.

      Everyone that rides the London Underground is an adult? I have no idea why you'd even think that was a plausible premise.

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    24. Re:Sadiq Khan is an inbred moron. by Chas · · Score: 1

      Fine, enjoy living in your cage then.

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    25. Re:Sadiq Khan is an inbred moron. by Xest · · Score: 1

      No, it's not. The only measure by which London was more violent than New York was by cherry picking the one and a half months of the year where the snow was so bad in New York that no one went out, whilst London was relatively mild.

      London is still vastly safe, and has vastly less violent crime than New York if you use a sane, non-cherry picked measure, such as a year, or multiple years:

      https://www.independent.co.uk/...

      "In the calendar year of 2016 there were 334 murders in New York. In the financial year 2016-17 (1 April 2016 to 31 March 2017) there were 102 murders in London, suggesting â" but not proving - that at that point the UKâ(TM)s capitalâ(TM)s murder rate for any given 12-month period was less than a third of New Yorkâ(TM)s.

      Similarly, New York had 352 murders in the calendar year 2015, while Londonâ(TM)s Metropolitan Police recorded 109 homicides between 1 April 2015 and 31 March 2016."

      So really, New York is still more than 3 times as deadly as London. The fact someone managed to find a single 6 week period out of hundreds over the last few decades where the London figure just edged higher for a short outlying period is a prime example of cherry picking stats.

      If you think cherry picking makes you correct, I've got a bridge to sell you, because 3.3x more deaths is not evidence that New York is safer. I could therefore be just as an obnoxious dick as you're being and claim that it's in fact evidence that guns are the problem and say, well, I'm right, because this proves it.

      But I'm not a retard like you, and I'll happily admit that correlation is causation and that whilst guns COULD be the reason New York is more than 3 times more deadly as London, I don't have any evidence, just as you don't have any evidence to the contrary. The fact is you don't know, and I don't know, but to dismiss it as a possibility is just flagrant willful ignorance, especially as both cities are pretty damn close demographically, and even Bill Bratton has advised in both cities police forces meaning guns are one of the only key differentiators, which in turn means you're more likely to be wrong, than right, that they're not a factor in New York being so much more deadly.

  5. A bit of overreach by Ayano · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I get the whole 'healthy lifestyle' campaigns to battle obesity, but this essentially groups junk food with cigarettes which was similarly banned in the US from public 'mass media' advertisement (tele/billboard).

    At that point you're classifying categories of comfort food as 'junk'. How long is it until chocolate is also junk food? Junk food is only dangerous by over indulgence. Smoking however is deliberate damage to the lungs, even if 'moderated' just like alcohol is to the brain. Oddly enough alcohol has no such advertising ban, as they 'self moderate' to only legal drinking age markets supposedly.

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    1. Re:A bit of overreach by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      this essentially groups junk food with cigarettes

      With heart disease and stroke both outnumbering lung cancer as national diseases, that's not a bad idea.

      Junk food is only dangerous by over indulgence

      Junk food is carefully designed to promote over indulgence.

    2. Re:A bit of overreach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jan/10/public-health-experts-call-ban-alcohol-advertising-uk#img-1

    3. Re:A bit of overreach by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      except "junk food" is not the problem causing that heart disease and stroke. you're wrong spouting that phrase off.

      instead the still legal to advertise processed foods being eaten as the main course are.

      junk food snacks are not the problem. not in the UK, not anywhere else

    4. Re:A bit of overreach by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      With heart disease and stroke both outnumbering lung cancer as national diseases, that's not a bad idea.

      But is junk food really the cause of that, or is it simple over-eating in general? I have junk food from time to time and am not overweight, and have a healthy heart...

      Junk food is carefully designed to promote over indulgence.

      That is simply false. It's designed to be tasty, nothing more and nothing less. You can indeed have just one, that is a choice.

      Just as you can choose to have just one, or seventy, of ANY food item,.

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    5. Re:A bit of overreach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are when they have been engineered to be addictive. Try looking up bliss point on google.

    6. Re:A bit of overreach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with junk food is that they are called junk for a reason. they have limited to no nutritional value and is very easy to overeat.Some are designed to make it so that you are never fully satisfied making you want to eat more.

      See link as an example:
      https://nypost.com/2013/10/03/why-doritos-are-as-addictive-as-crack/

      That's said, this is only an advertisement ban in areas where children who may be more suggestible would be. Not like this will do much since i'm sure most would see them on tv.

    7. Re:A bit of overreach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Listen here bud. I'm Australian I take offense at you blaming beer for my mentail deficiencies. I'm almost certain it was the my drug use that caused me to forget pretty much 90% of my childhood thank you very much!

    8. Re:A bit of overreach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's wrong with banning alcohol and junk food adversiting?

      Being able to advertise isn't a fundamental right, nobody's freedom's being infringed (corporations' "freedom" doesn't count - businesses don't have human rights).

    9. Re:A bit of overreach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eating high sugary food is also deliberate damage to the body. Both cause damage, both are addictive, both have withdraw symptoms. Any amount of junk food is dangerous, just that the body can heal junk food related damage easier than it can heal cigarette damage. Cigarette damage is more visible, but that doesn't mean less visible effects aren't as bad.

      Chocolate isn't dangerous, but no one eats pure chocolate. It tastes horrible. People only eat chocolate when it's mixed with sugar and/or fat.

      I don't live in London, I don't care about the ban. If they wanted to be fair, they should require better warning labels on food to counter the propaganda campaigns from when fat was bad and sugar was good. They knew that was wrong back then, but they made enough bribes to corner the market and set public policy.

      What they should ban next is coffee. Far, far too many people drug themselves awake instead of sleeping properly. Then they gloat about it as some type of positive achievement, that they're in so bad of a condition that they need 3-5 cups. "Look at how dumb I am. I need to trick my stress response into overdrive just to feel normal. Yay me."

    10. Re:A bit of overreach by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      again, it's the "main courses" being engineered to be addictive that is the main problem. look at the ingredients on the crap most americans eat for lunch and dinner.

      the snacks don't matter

  6. the Brits need a good dentist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what the fuck is going on with their teeth?

    1. Re:the Brits need a good dentist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you seen this Slashdot video yet? Have you bought the family freindly Goat C shirt?

      - FatCashewsLoveMe

    2. Re:the Brits need a good dentist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      MODDOWN! ; creimer spam post again!

      creimer wants you to click on his youtube channel, then click on his stupid amazon affiliate link spam on Youtube. There is nothing of value on creimer youtube channel. Only creimer click-bot goes there.

      The tests we ran on Chris have shown that Chris has the intelligence of an ameba:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      So, technically, he is able to conceive some kind of agenda but it will be silly or impossible to follow on a human scale.

      For example, Chris had an agenda to post anything he felt like on Slashdot which did not work well because it was based on his false beliefs that he had an infinite number of karma points as he wrote here several times.

      Several people here explained to Chris that karma maxed out at some level like 50 or so but Chris kept on insisting that his python script had confirmed that he had millions of karma points!

      Oh well, as I wrote before: "It isn't Chris' fault if he is the way he is. We do the best we can do with him and he is partially integrated into society. We try to cure his abnormal need for attention but he is kind of stubborn and won't listen to anybody."

      For the valuable /. users that might already have read the following, please note that there is an important update.

      IMPORTANT UPDATE:
      Special Education for the Santa Clara County Office of Education has invested money to buy Chris a new chair:
      http://www.keynamics.com/image...

      Information about Christopher Dale Reimer and autistic people:

      Autistic people have obsessions about things normal people don't care. For example, one of our autistic patient went haywire when he realized that there was a penny missing in his pocket change.

      To calm him down, one of our educator pretended to have found it on the floor and gave a penny to him.

      The autistic patient condition went even worse because he realized it wasn't the same penny!

      Chris has an obsession with budgeting every penny. He doesn't understand that most people do not budget to the penny and have a flexible amount they allow for miscellaneous items.

      I am Nancy Guerrero and I am Director of Special Education for the Santa Clara County Office of Education. We use Chris' (a.k.a. creimer,cdreimer) picture in our document because he is the hardest case we have ever had to handle:
      http://www.sccoe.org/depts/stu...

      Our artists were inspired by the low carb diet that Christopher follows scrupulously for the small lunch box and by the picture linked below for the rest. I am sure that you will notice the similarities such as the bump on the side of his chest and more:
      https://ibb.co/gVad65

      Please be easy on Christopher although, I am aware that some of our staff handling Chris post joke comments here and obvoiusly, the Santa Clara County Office of Education disapprove that behavior vehemently:
      http://ibb.co/mRVSaG

      But it isn't Chris' fault if he is the way he is. We do the best we can do with him and he is partially integrated into society. We try to cure his abnormal need for attention but he is kind of stubborn and won't listen to anybody.

      Thank You dear users,
      ---
      Nancy Guerrero
      Director
      Special Education
      Santa Clara County Office of Education

  7. Vending machines? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you're going to try to encourage people to make healthier choices, perhaps start with the vending machines loaded with crisp packets and candy?

    1. Re:Vending machines? by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      Forget Vending Machines.

      If the goal is to get people to stop seeing Ads for junk food, then when they board the subway, have someone who hands each person some junk food they can eat to keep them distracted from the ads you don't want them to see.

      Simple solution. Now there is no need to bank junk food ads. Nobody would watch them. Everyone too distracted with the junk food they're eating.

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      I'll see your senator, and I'll raise you two judges.
  8. They need to treat fatty food like tobacco by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And make sure only over 18s can buy the fattiest of foods. They also need treatment for people already addicted to food like over 30 stone (420lbs) addicted by putting them in intensive weight hospitals.

  9. Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is great; everyone will be nice and healthy when some urchin throws acid in their face.

    Oh, and there is fake news going around about 7 people killed in an Australian mass shooting. Seems that some media sources are unaware of how obvious these fake stories are given that mass shootings were solved by Australian gun control, as we're told by experts every time there is a mass shooting in the US.

  10. Don't diss junk food, London by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Inform the public instead; let them make the choice.

    Start with sugar. Then go from there.

    The robots that will soon "man" these fast food centers will be programmed not to put sugar in anything.

    Certainly not in tea! There will only be packets of brown sugar for coffee, as an option for coffee drinkers.

    An option best left to an informed, and soon healthier, public.

    Not that I expect London to read /. --- they already have The Reg, at theregister.co.uk.
     
    Let me put my flame resistant coat on

  11. Only advertisement permitted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Woman laughing alone with salad.

    Google it.

    1. Re:Only advertisement permitted by Elvis+Impersonator · · Score: 1

      Woman laughing alone with salad.

      Google it.

      oh my god.

    2. Re:Only advertisement permitted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL

  12. Just like Boulder by Monkey-Wrench-Inc · · Score: 1

    Boulder (CO) decide to heavily tax sugary beverages (aka, soda), but do nothing about the problems related to homelessness.

    1. Re:Just like Boulder by Monkey-Wrench-Inc · · Score: 1

      *decided

    2. Re:Just like Boulder by Stolovaya · · Score: 1

      You misspelled Seattle, WA.

    3. Re:Just like Boulder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was thinking the same thing, especially since the communists are trying to push for a literal tax on jobs.

  13. Already banned advertising with attractive people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A year or so ago he also banned adverts on public transport with attractive people in them as they were triggering fat people.

    He obviously has some kind of ideal London avatar that heâ(TM)s pushing towards. Londoners canâ(TM)t be too pretty, canâ(TM)t be too fat. I havenâ(TM)t heard anything from him other than he likes to ban things?

    Has he actually created anything meaningful yet?

  14. Monster Munch is not junk food by Elvis+Impersonator · · Score: 1

    what about Monster Munch? Can we still advertise that?

    1. Re:Monster Munch is not junk food by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Only the pickled onion one. I mean sure the flaming hot are nice and all but only after the picked onion are gone.

      --
      SJW n. One who posts facts.
  15. junk food not problem, unsubstantiated nonsense by iggymanz · · Score: 1

    The foods being eaten for meals are the problem, not the snacks. it's still legal to advertise those harmful "foods", so the government are being idiots. Nanny states are always run by the low watt bulbs

    1. Re:junk food not problem, unsubstantiated nonsense by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Well, to be fair, so is any state today. Somebody smart in power is the absolute exception. And the level of stupidity just continues to get worse.

      --
      Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
  16. Sadiq don't like it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rock the casbah, rock the casbah.

    Remember kids, Americans are fat pieces of shit, because 1 in 3 are fatties, as opposed to the so much thinner 1 in 4 Britons or Germans.

    1. Re: Sadiq don't like it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Brits are almost as obese as Americans.

  17. "Junk Food" is a slang term. by SeaFox · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'd be curious how they are going to come up with a legal definition for what is and is not junk food. Does it have to be like Cheetos and Mountain Dew, or will McDonald's no longer be able to advertise either? And if fast food is no longer allowed, do we have to set the standard of a casual dining restaurant? You can get healthy food quickly. too depending on the business.

    1. Re:"Junk Food" is a slang term. by PPH · · Score: 2

      British cooking.

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      Have gnu, will travel.
    2. Re:"Junk Food" is a slang term. by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      British cooking.

      If you can find someone who got obese on carrots that had been boiled for 6 hours then left to dry under a canteen heat lamp, then I'd support the ban.

      --
      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    3. Re:"Junk Food" is a slang term. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck obesity, it should be banned because it's fucking disgusting.

    4. Re:"Junk Food" is a slang term. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      We do like deep fat frying stuff though...

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    5. Re:"Junk Food" is a slang term. by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      True and honestly I like institutional cooking (other than the carrots).

      Pizza and chips followed by a slab of sponge with custard. Cannot be beaten.

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      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    6. Re:"Junk Food" is a slang term. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I'm lost for words.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    7. Re:"Junk Food" is a slang term. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't need one anyway. This isn't a proposed law, it is a policy to be implemented on TFL controlled properties.

  18. Dedicated safe bicycle paths instead of bans by Max_W · · Score: 1

    If a person cycles to work about 40 minutes on a safe green bicycle path, and back home 40 minutes. She/he can eat about anything.

    1. Re:Dedicated safe bicycle paths instead of bans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Patently false. Cycle all you want but you wouldn't eat Rat Poison or 900 mg of sodium and not experience the effects of it

    2. Re:Dedicated safe bicycle paths instead of bans by Quantum+gravity · · Score: 1

      Well you burn a bit more energy cycling instead of driving, but its not that much. Cycling at a moderate pace burns about 650 calories per hour. A large doughnut can contain about 300 calories, and also hydrogenated oils that are not good for your heart.

    3. Re:Dedicated safe bicycle paths instead of bans by Wulf2k · · Score: 1

      They could happily eat 0.01 mg of rat poison, and they could down that 900 mg of sodium over an extended period of time without much ill effect.

    4. Re:Dedicated safe bicycle paths instead of bans by Quantum+gravity · · Score: 1

      Replying to myself because that should have read _partially_ hydrogenated oils. They contain trans fats that increases the shelf life of fried and baked foods.

    5. Re:Dedicated safe bicycle paths instead of bans by Max_W · · Score: 1

      Well you burn a bit more energy cycling instead of driving, but its not that much. Cycling at a moderate pace burns about 650 calories per hour. A large doughnut can contain about 300 calories, and also hydrogenated oils that are not good for your heart.

      A biological system does not work on arithmetic principles. Cycling every day, before and after work in the fresh air, reduces anxiety. It is the proven fact.

      People over-eat not because they are hungry, but due to anxiety. And the major cause of anxiety is that we engineered out physical activity from our daily life.

      Try it, and you will see that one and a half hour cycling daily would reduce stress and weight significantly. But daily on cycling paths, not driving to a gym and rotating a stationary machine.

  19. London the next California by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Incredible how government handles bad behavior. Got to stop people from over eating by taking away your freedoms, but on the other hand let's sell weed so people can get high and governments can tax the shit out of it and could care less about the side effects. It's that California effect of government trying their hardest to control you.

    1. Re: London the next California by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Taking away your freedoms" by literally blocking ads.

      I take it you don't use an adblocker in your browser to keep yourself maximally free?

  20. Let's do an experiment by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 0

    You people have to stop getting your news from Fox and Breitbart. The homicide rate in London is not even 1/30th of the US' worst cities, and is nearly half that of New York (all per capita).

    Let's do an experiment.

    Starting next week, for the next 30 days let's keep track of all the high-profile murders and attacks in both London and NYC.

    For the sake of consistency and ease of specification, let's say May 15 through June 15.

    Anyone care to predict which city has more horrific attacks and murders?

    1. Re:Let's do an experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's the point? We've already got the statistics. And why "high-profile" anyway - are murders that don't make the news less serious?

    2. Re:Let's do an experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nibber on nibber violence does not count? Random butchering out Muzzi-wogs ... does that count ? Ghetto bitchmamaz strapping on the hoe next door ... do those beatdowns add points ?

  21. Bangers & mash & bangers & mash & by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thank god for curry.

  22. Oi m8, u got a loicense for that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is great, coming from the country that recently convicted someone for carrying a potato peeler in public.

  23. And also raise the fare .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stay tuned for the next announce of new higher fares to offset all the lost advertising revenue.

  24. What is it? by SuperDre · · Score: 1

    What is junk food really? when is something junk food?

  25. Excellent idea, given the implications of change by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Remember, we all subsidize the weak-willed tube riders who drink fancy alcohol and munch on crisps instead of live an upright life.

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    -- Tigger warning: This post may contain tiggers! --
  26. McDonalds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't bloody think Sharia allows it!

  27. Bans junk food but not terrorists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's the mayor of London for you.

  28. Crime ratr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about the increasing crime rate? How about banning that?

  29. Science by backslashdot · · Score: 1

    Junk food is a junk term. Furthermore, there is zero evidence the food traditionally thought of ad junk food is bad for you. Extreme quantities of ANY food is bad. There obviously can be apecific ingredients that make certain foods worse than others, how about simply remindig people to reduce their intakes of those specific ingredients?

    1. Re:Science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Take sliced bread for instance, they put some junk in it including sugar so that it stays "fresh". Should be innocuous enough, it's just bread. But who in their own mind would put *sugar* in bread. I just ate some because it was on hand but crap does it suck.

  30. pointless if you're stupid enough to eat there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    doesnt need advertising really, its now ubiquitous amongst scum

    really, if you're willing to share a touch screen with the thousands of unwashed or booger picking children to eat something with your hands after no message will get through to you

  31. The point by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 1

    What's the point?

    Ramadan (May 15 -> June 14).

  32. Creeping sharia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The United Kaliphate, one step at a time.

  33. Chocolate is junk food by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Chocolate (the usual sweet type with lots of sugar) IS junk food, in the "junk" sense that it doesn't do your body any good, nor provide needed sustenance, if eaten regularly.

    In the same sense that all kinds of sweets are also junk food, so is wine and coffee.

    The key difference for this ban is ads for wine and coffee aren't targeting children.

  34. So is "public indecency" and "jaywalking" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Real world is not an MMO. The lack of rigorous definition of something never stopped lawmakers putting things into law before, nor had it stopped judges ruling people guilty of it.

  35. Nevermind all the murders and rapes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At least London is taking a firm stance against junk food and mean tweets.

    London's mayor is useless.

  36. Ban all ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about you ban all ads on public transport? What a shitty experience it is to have crass commercial hucksterism thrust in your face at every turn, every day.

    But noooo, no, we can't lose that sweet sweet sponsor money.... As bad for society as sweet sweet junk food is for metabolism.