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Microsoft To Replace Surface Pro 4 Tablets Affected By Screen Flickering (theverge.com)

Microsoft is unable to find a software or firmware fix for Surface Pro 4 tablets affected by screen flickering, so it's launching a replacement program for them. Any Surface Pro 4 units experiencing the problem will be covered for up to three years from the time of original purchase. The Verge reports: The annoying flickering has been well-documented on Microsoft's support forums, with some users taking drastic steps like putting their Surface Pro 4 in a freezer to temporarily fix the issue. Back in February, Microsoft said it was closely monitoring the situation, and the company came to the conclusion that there's no convenient fix. Some customers have already paid for a screen replacement to stop the flickering since the problem typically arises when a machine is out of warranty; Microsoft says they'll be "offered a refund." The company notes that this three-year coverage doesn't extend to other problems your Surface Pro might experience outside the warranty period; it only applies to the screen issue. Replacement devices are refurbished -- not brand new -- Surface Pro 4s.

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  1. Now, if they would also address the N-trig touch! by ReneR · · Score: 4, Informative

    Since they switched to the N-trig touch screen and digitiser since with the Surface Pro 3 they also have a phantom touch and dead zone issue that remains unsolved: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... Running some –not even designed for that model!– "Sony" n-trig calibration tool can sometimes help, a little bit, temporarily at least, or so (your milage may vary), I find it ridiculous that many users need to live with a mostly brocken touchscreen for years! Also it can be really hard and sometimes impossible to even log in and reach the device manager to a actually switch the f*cking HID off, if it produces too many random touches, ..!

  2. Three years coverage is bullshit! by ReneR · · Score: 1, Troll

    "covered for up to three years from the time of original purchase. " What a bullshit, early adapters may have lived 3 years with the manufacturing defect, and now they do not even get it fixed? See my n-trig post above: If they even would have such a program for the Surface Pro 3 I quoted, I would not even be covered with a three year old device that I had touch issues with for nearly two (2!) years now, ..! I personally will never buy such integrated, glued and sealer non-user serviceable AIO devices anymore. Enough of this overpriced frustration producing junk.

    1. Re: Three years coverage is bullshit! by drinkypoo · · Score: 1, Funny

      You've got a little Apple cum dripping off your lips, bro. Better wipe that up.

      Show us on the picture of the internet where Apple touched you. I feel the same way about Apple, but the word Apple doesn't appear in my comment because we're talking about Microsoft right now. You seem to have a problem with your attention span, I hear they have drugs for that now.

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    2. Re:Three years coverage is bullshit! by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The Surface Pro 4 was released in November, 2015. NO ONE has lived with them for 3 years, in fact every single person who ever bought a Surface Pro 4 with this issue can get a fixed unit. Every single one.

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    3. Re:Three years coverage is bullshit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Their "non-ergonomic", cheap mice are good. In particular the Microsoft Trekker wheel mouse is very, very good, I still have one (it's PS/2, so I only use it on desktop). It's a ball mouse, so it makes me look like a luddite sometimes but a good ball mouse can be surprisingly good.

    4. Re:Three years coverage is bullshit! by ReneR · · Score: 1

      ok, fine, I was thinking about my n-trig plagued Surface Pro 3, that I was surprised calling Microsoft being already 3 years old, and they will not do anything about phantom touch dead-zone issue mentioned above that many, thousands of people experience. Given that a three year coverage would not include mine, although I have a not really working touchscreen for over two years. Also fi this flickering starts for someone later this year, in year 4, they would not be covered, although it is not the user's fault, that it was imperfectly manufactured.

    5. Re:Three years coverage is bullshit! by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      In particular the Microsoft Trekker wheel mouse is very, very good,

      I prefer the classic Logitech wheel mouse, but to each their own. (I'm actually using a T-BB18, not a mouse, but I still have tons of those Logi mice.) The Trekker, at least, doesn't make my hand hurt like their "ergonomic" mouse does.

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      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  3. Re:Apple needs to take the hint. by Joce640k · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    2016 and 2017 MacBook Pros have faulty and unreliable keyboards. It's about time for Apple to 1. Admit it, 2. Fix it.

    Without knowing the details: Fixing the Surface Pros could be as simple as replacing a $0.10 capacitor. This could cost Microsoft very little.

    Apple, OTOH, are screwed. Apple really needs to fix this bit it'll cost them an awful lot of money. They've got billions in the bank, sure, the real question is: Have they got a more reliable keyboard that's as low profile as the abomination they put in the MB Pro?

    If they have to redesign the Macbook with a proper keyboard and replace them all then it serves 'em right for listening to design teams instead of engineers, IMHO.

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  4. Not a troll by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Trolling" means you're making stuff up just to get a reaction. I'm genuinely trying to help people who don't understand that Microsoft is literally evil, and giving them money is funding one's own abuse, and the abuse of others.

    God damn this comment delay is pathetic. I can come up with two fully formed thoughts in one minute. I guess Slashdot editors can't. Wait, we knew that.

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    1. Re:Not a troll by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      "Trolling" means you're making stuff up just to get a reaction.

      Such as implying that touchscreens don't get calibrated. When you dump your fat finger on a small little screen no one cares about calibration. Since we stopped using resistive touch the calibrations have stopped drifting. That doesn't mean that precision devices don't benefit from calibration, and it doesn't matter if you own a Microsoft Surface or a $3000 Wacom Cintiq Pro. Actually it does matter. The Cintiq Pro has a far longer and more complicated calibration process.

      I'm genuinely trying to help people who don't understand that Microsoft is literally evil

      Nope. You're just genuinely talking out of your arse.

  5. Re: Apple needs to take the hint. by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apple's problem, again, is this stupid obsession with thinness.

    As long as users are willing to pay for it, Apple will continue to pursue it. It's Apple users who are stupid. They'd rather have a laptop 2mm thinner than have a laptop that'll last for two more years.

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  6. How well are these things selling? by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 2

    The reason I am asking is because I have yet to see one in the wild. Which is weird, for I think that, in the circles I frequent, they should be visible.

    1. Re:How well are these things selling? by ReneR · · Score: 1

      Well, unfortunately yes: https://www.youtube.com/result...

  7. Re: Apple needs to take the hint. by Todd.Stedel · · Score: 1

    Which non-Mac laptops are you talking about lasting two years longer than macs? I have never owned a windows laptop that came in close in build quality to my MacBook Pro and I am genuinely curious. I currently have an Alienware.

  8. Sorry. by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    Both of them? :-)

  9. Re:Apple needs to take the hint. by ReneR · · Score: 1

    Without knowing the details: Fixing the Surface Pros could be as simple as replacing a $0.10 capacitor.

    Well, prying a super-glued tabled open, reflow, and gluing everything perfectly back together, is not exactly cheap, ..!

  10. Re:Now, if they would also address the N-trig touc by ReneR · · Score: 1

    This "calibration" does not require touch input. Actually RTFM specifically says not to touch it at all. As you can see in my videos, it looks like some SNR, background noise level sensing or so, ...

  11. Re: Apple needs to take the hint. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Asus. Toshiba, though they use cheapass fans and I'm getting tired of replacing them.

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  12. Re: Apple needs to take the hint. by iampiti · · Score: 1

    Really? Does Apple ask users what they want or they just assume and build an ever thinner laptop?

  13. Re:Now, if they would also address the N-trig touc by ReneR · · Score: 1

    my latest video update on the Surface Pro 3 touch issues: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  14. Re: Apple needs to take the hint. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Really? Does Apple ask users what they want

    Apple claims they don't do market research, but that's because Apple lies.

    or they just assume and build an ever thinner laptop?

    Even if they weren't liars, building a thinner laptop and then selling it tells you that people want to buy a thinner laptop. However, Apple didn't invent the Ultrabook segment; that was Toshiba. They were making slim and lightweight 486 laptops while Apple was still making chunky, funky Powerbooks. To suggest that nobody inside of Apple looked at any reports which stated that people would like thinner laptops is laughable at best. When people say something that dumb, I like to tilt my head over to the side like a dog does, so as to imply that even a dog would be confused by that statement. It works pretty well in traffic, too.

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  15. Re:Definately not pro CS by easyTree · · Score: 1

    Glad Microsoft is finally doing what it should have done from the start of this.

    Replacing a bought-new-with-a-fault laptop with a refurbished one?