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Scientists To Grow 'Mini-Brains' Using Neanderthal DNA (theguardian.com)

Scientists will grow small amounts of tissue, known as brain organoids, from human stem cells that have been edited to contain "Neanderthalized" versions of several genes. "The lentil-sized organoids, which are incapable of thoughts or feelings, replicate some of the basic structures of an adult brain," reports The Guardian. "They could demonstrate for the first time if there were meaningful differences between human and Neanderthal brain biology." From the report: The latest work focuses on differences in three genes known to be crucial for brain development. Using the editing technique Crispr, changes have been introduced into human stem cells to make them closer to Neanderthal versions. The stem cells are coaxed using chemical triggers to become neurons, which spontaneously clump together and self-organize into miniature brain-like structures that grow to a few millimeters in diameter. The lack of any sensory input means the internal wiring is haphazard and varies from one blob to the next. The scientists will compare the Neanderthalized organoids and the fully human ones to assess the speed at which the stem cells divide, develop and organize into three-dimensional brain structures and whether the brain cells wire up differently. The work won't reveal which species is "smarter," but could hint at differences in the ability to plan, socialize and use language.

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  1. We have plenty of mini brains on Slashdot. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Usually accompanied by an ass bigger than their brain that even a goat could see.

  2. imho, what a waste of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    How about spending money solving issues like corruption, disease and poverty?

    1. Re: imho, what a waste of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Enlightened biological evolution, the kind that allowed we monkeys to make it to space, is at a near halt and has been for a while... the most likely characteristics to flourish in our current cultural and physical environments are likely to be for physical attributes and deviousness â" even the physical attributes may not be strong because of cosmetic surgery.

      Meaningful evolution for attributes we consider worthwhile will have to be forced via genetic manipulation, or more likely just genetic selection pre-conception (which IMO is a form of eugenics that will end up more culturally accepted.)

      The first world nations of the world will become the paradise of Hitler, but in a way that is more acceptable to most, like a frog in a pot of water over the fire, and does not involve the direct destruction of inferior species for the sole reason of their inferiority, instead their destruction that will be cast as a necessity due to cultural incompatibility and their desire to kill, those in the inferior gene pools who are willing to adapt will be poor in shite jobs, those unwilling to adapt will be killed as insurgents in some war that the vast majority of us only see or hear about if we choose to turn on the news. ...and will all arrive thanks to deviousness which enables so many politicians and business people to take so much for themselves today.

    2. Re: imho, what a waste of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "How about spending money solving issues like corruption, disease and poverty?"
      Turn in your geek card. No geek ever complains of spending money on science especially when orders of magnitude more money is "wasted " on sport events, music, movies, advertising, and wars.

    3. Re: imho, what a waste of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "How about spending money solving issues like corruption, disease and poverty?"

      We tried that. Corruption happened, rich people made off with the money sey aside for those things.

  3. I don't like where this is headed... by ScentCone · · Score: 5, Funny

    This seems dangerous and offensive. There are no differences between any two brains. Everyone is the same and always was. Just because the Neanderthals get a bad narrative from the Patriarchy doesn't mean that everyone from Mediterranean Europe is inferior to those white privilege cro-mag ice people from the north. Even studying this should be illegal, because it may cause sensitive students to question the fact that every person is identical in every way.

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    1. Re:I don't like where this is headed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Glad to know you donated the DNA for this.

    2. Re:I don't like where this is headed... by Type44Q · · Score: 3, Informative

      ...those white privilege cro-mag ice people from the north

      Jesting aside, the 'pure cro-mags' are sub-Saharan Africans; the rest of us - particularly those from 'The North' - are the bastard half-breeds (~2% Neanderthal or Denisovian/Neanderthal).

    3. Re:I don't like where this is headed... by ScentCone · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Jesting aside, the 'pure cro-mags' are sub-Saharan Africans; the rest of us - particularly those from 'The North' - are the bastard half-breeds (~2% Neanderthal or Denisovian/Neanderthal).

      I know. Mostly, it's entertaining to just make fun of the people who seem to have completely incoherent ideas about the heritage of both the populations they love to hate, and the populations they're trying so hard to pretend aren't any different but are but aren't but are but need taking care of but that would be condescending but not but I guess we should just all feel guilty.

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    4. Re:I don't like where this is headed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy run on sentences, Batman!

    5. Re:I don't like where this is headed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cromagnons, or the "European early modern humans", as they tend to be called lately, are the European-Middle Eastern branch of "Homo Sapiens Sapiens", and therefore they have nothing to do with the Sub-Saharan Africans, by definition.

    6. Re: I don't like where this is headed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 2% is a subfraction. Common mistake

    7. Re:I don't like where this is headed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This seems dangerous and offensive. There are no differences between any two brains. Everyone is the same and always was. Just because the Neanderthals get a bad narrative from the Patriarchy doesn't mean that everyone from Mediterranean Europe is inferior to those white privilege cro-mag ice people from the north. Even studying this should be illegal, because it may cause sensitive students to question the fact that every person is identical in every way.

      People like you are essentially killing society's future. Too many people get "offended" these days and then rules change to prohibit just so a small minority doesn't get offended. Now you want to impede scientific progress too just because you might not like the results? Very short sighted of you to think everyone is the same and always was. Why isn't the planet full of Albert Einstein's then? People are way too sensitive these days... they need to get over it and accept reality, if you don't like it don't read or watch it. It's asinine to even say every person is identical.

    8. Re:I don't like where this is headed... by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      It's possible, I suppose, that you descend from a branch of early humans that lost the Getting Sarcasm gene in some sort of freak mutation.

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  4. Just great by reboot246 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    More Facebook users. Just what the world needs!

    1. Re:Just great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Twitter, man, Twitter. Learn about your presidents while they are not yet impeached.

  5. growing our future generation of business leaders by layabout · · Score: 1

    or just replicating the past?

  6. Re:imho, what a waste of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Spend it on eugenics and you'll solve those problems.

  7. Re:imho, what a waste of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do something then?

  8. Just how miniture are they? by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

    The term "mini-brain" is rather deceptive because they measured in micrometers. The largest it will get is about 5mm.

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  9. So... by Mnemennth · · Score: 1

    ...building the perfect Congressman again, are we? Like that has worked out so well thus far...

    mnem
    But then, I repeat myself...

  10. MODDOWN! ; creimer spam post again! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    MODDOWN! ; creimer spam post again!

    creimer wants you to click on his youtube channel, then click on his stupid amazon affiliate link spam on Youtube. There is nothing of value on creimer youtube channel. Only creimer click-bot goes there.

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    So, technically, he is able to conceive some kind of agenda but it will be silly or impossible to follow on a human scale.

    For example, Chris had an agenda to post anything he felt like on Slashdot which did not work well because it was based on his false beliefs that he had an infinite number of karma points as he wrote here several times.

    Several people here explained to Chris that karma maxed out at some level like 50 or so but Chris kept on insisting that his python script had confirmed that he had millions of karma points!

    Oh well, as I wrote before: "It isn't Chris' fault if he is the way he is. We do the best we can do with him and he is partially integrated into society. We try to cure his abnormal need for attention but he is kind of stubborn and won't listen to anybody."

    For the valuable /. users that might already have read the following, please note that there is an important update.

    IMPORTANT UPDATE:
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    Autistic people have obsessions about things normal people don't care. For example, one of our autistic patient went haywire when he realized that there was a penny missing in his pocket change.

    To calm him down, one of our educator pretended to have found it on the floor and gave a penny to him.

    The autistic patient condition went even worse because he realized it wasn't the same penny!

    Chris has an obsession with budgeting every penny. He doesn't understand that most people do not budget to the penny and have a flexible amount they allow for miscellaneous items.

    I am Nancy Guerrero and I am Director of Special Education for the Santa Clara County Office of Education. We use Chris' (a.k.a. creimer,cdreimer) picture in our document because he is the hardest case we have ever had to handle:
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    Please be easy on Christopher although, I am aware that some of our staff handling Chris post joke comments here and obvoiusly, the Santa Clara County Office of Education disapprove that behavior vehemently:
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    But it isn't Chris' fault if he is the way he is. We do the best we can do with him and he is partially integrated into society. We try to cure his abnormal need for attention but he is kind of stubborn and won't listen to anybody.

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    Exactly Nancy,

    It seems like Chris is a victim here. He keeps on reading those SEO, youtube algorithm, basically get rich quick sites. He doesn't realize that he is the fish for them since they make money off him with their own schemes. Then, he wastes his time trying to implement what those sites suggest and he ends up disturbing people.

    I mean, those crooks tell Chris that h

    1. Re:MODDOWN! ; creimer spam post again! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find it funny that you promote creimer's video (1,500+ views) in one AC comment and then come along later to bitch about it in another AC comment. You're like the AC who cried goat too often.

    2. Re: MODDOWN! ; creimer spam post again! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I've only seen it because of the troll posts. Might buy the shirt too.

  11. "Abby Normal"? by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 3, Funny

    Who's that?

  12. the trouble with that is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    eugenics is about building a master race and a slave race. unfortunately for you and me we'd be part of that inferior slave race.

  13. They had bigger brains than us.

  14. All this tip toeing is ridiculous.... by shaitand · · Score: 2

    If you want to grow and study some human brain tissue just do that. The minute one of your experiments communicates it isn't cool with it, THEN you have an ethical problem until then projecting human feelings and ethics on lumps of meat, protein, insects, and animals is just anthromorphic nonsense hindering progress.

    1. Re:All this tip toeing is ridiculous.... by CaffeinatedBacon · · Score: 1

      Got any kids you would like to volunteer for further study? Or are you volunteering for yourself? They/you will be heavily sedated, and if any of you do manage to communicate we promise to let you go, it's only ethical after all.

    2. Re:All this tip toeing is ridiculous.... by shaitand · · Score: 1

      Really? You are equating a lump of cells with sedating a complete intelligent organism (our own) to shut it up?

    3. Re:All this tip toeing is ridiculous.... by CaffeinatedBacon · · Score: 1

      Since when are animals just lumps of cells. If they are, why aren't you too?

    4. Re:All this tip toeing is ridiculous.... by shaitand · · Score: 1

      Lumps of animal cells aren't animals any more than lumps of human cells are humans. Animals also are not humans, when they appear to be behaving like a human it is mostly humans projecting their feelings and emotions onto the acts of the animals.

      For example, when you feed a cat and stroke it and the cat purrs like I saw in a Purina cat food commercial. A human tends to associate that with love being expressed for care which is a human emotion, the cat on the other hand is purring as a biological response to preparing to feed.

      A dog does seem to have some kind of affection but lacks the capacity for higher reasoning and that affection will transfer when its source of food and protection changes. Dogs are not humans, they are pack animals, the affection isn't real affection it is a function of loyalty to its pack leader that dogs have evolved as a survival function. Loyalty itself is an evolved pack function, changing loyalties instantly results in a lower survival probability than having some kind of innate skepticism toward a change in leadership that grows over time.

      Of course it goes both ways, much of what we couch in higher reasoning is really just dancing around and justifying human animal behavior but one thing doesn't change. We aren't dogs, or cats, or even a subset lump of actual human cells, we are humans. Limitations on how we treat humans benefits us and our children because anything we allow can be turned against us or our descendants. Limitation on how we treat other life can have a similar result. Just because a slippery slope is a fallacy doesn't mean taking a step in a direction doesn't make the path to some destinations one step shorter. That said, life is about tradeoffs, you certainly don't give up what definitely benefits human health and understanding for the sake of an individual. The difference is we can find out the motives of a human and try to change its mind and thereby eliminate the danger. The ability to do that with other animals is minimal, especially if we go projecting human motives on their behavior and when it comes down to it, limitations on risks to human life and safety are simply more important because we are humans.

    5. Re:All this tip toeing is ridiculous.... by CaffeinatedBacon · · Score: 1

      You are the one who added animals to your list of things.

      Your answer is 'that it's bad' except sometimes 'trade-offs' and 'it's ok' if we can try to change its mind?

      Lumps of cells can certainly grow into animals even humans. Happens hundreds of thousands of times every day.

    6. Re:All this tip toeing is ridiculous.... by shaitand · · Score: 1

      "You are the one who added animals to your list of things."

      My list of things you might have lumps aka pieces aka hunks of. What I said includes a steak, what you said includes a cow, one is an animal, one is a lump of animal tissue. A cow most certainly can object to your research by expressing pain and/or resisting. You'll have no such reaction from a steak. Before you even bother ignoring context and suggesting you get steaks from cows I'll remind you the context is lumps of lab grown cells.

      "Lumps of cells can certainly grow into animals even humans."

      What they could theoretically in one possible future if everything plays out right become is another issue entirely. On the other hand hundreds of trillions of lumps of cells, human and animal cells, don't become animals or even humans before they end their existence. So without additional data indicating there is a high probability a particular lump of cells not only can become an animal or human but has a high probability of being an exception that will inevitably do so both given it's nature and the choices of those who own it we can safely assume lumps of cells will not. At the moment, a lump of cells grown in a lab that isn't associated with Artificial Insemination is highly unlikely to ever encounter a lump of cells that will magically transform into a complete animal or human on their table so we likely are safe for some time to come.

      "Your answer is 'that it's bad' except sometimes 'trade-offs' and 'it's ok' if we can try to change its mind?"

      No doubt you've strung together fragments from a paragraph into a nonsensical statement and beat it like a strawman as part of your legitimate quest to have everyone in the conversation arrive at the greatest possible enlightenment. I've just never seen an instance of using rheoterical constructs to win a debate rather than sound and transparent logic actually arrive at legitimate enlightenment.

      Perhaps you'd like a blanket black and white one size fits all answer. Those don't exist in the real world, everything that is good in one context is bad in others even some that will conflict with unassailable logic which proves the good context. There is no such thing as innate good or evil, nobody is ever "right" in a conflict they are only those things relative to a perspective. Would I kill a cow to save a hundred humans? Without question. Would I kill one? Without hesitation, even a cow I loved and a human I hated. How many humans are you killing by choosing to declare research on cows unethical? Even by supporting measures that delay that use? How many extra people die?

    7. Re:All this tip toeing is ridiculous.... by CaffeinatedBacon · · Score: 1

      You sure do like words.

      But don't try to use them to hide behind, or twist your statements into something that they weren't.

      You started off saying lumps of cells and animals are ok but not humans, trying to draw a line somewhere to differentiate. And then towards the end admitted you would kill humans if the ends justified the means.

      You originally tried to draw the line at 'being able to communicate', when I showed you that it was not a very good place for the line. You didn't indicate what sort of communication, or how you would even tell if something was capable of communicating but you were listening wrong, or artificially stopping it from communicating.
      In the end it was irrelevant, you decided it's ok to kill anything you want, up to and possibly including humans, as long as you 'feel it's a good idea'.

      No idea why you are so fixated on the 'grown in the lab' part. Do lab grown things differ to their wild counterparts in some meaningful way?

  15. Nazi Scientists At It Again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Seventh Reich brought to you by Bayer.

  16. Re:imho, what a waste of money by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How about spending money solving issues like corruption, disease and poverty?

    The root cause of many social problems is too many stupid people.

    The average inmate IQ is America's prisons is 89. It is even lower for violent offenders.

    Smoking, obesity, and many other health issues are correlated with low intelligence.

    Income differs by about $6000/yr for every 10 points above or below the mean IQ.

    Better understanding of brain development is one of the most important things we can do to address these problems.

  17. There are meaningful differences. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Europeans and Asians have a Neanderthal admixture. Africans do not. The correlation between a populations success and having a Neanderthal admixture is so strong that causation is very likely.

    1. Re: There are meaningful differences. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Asians have the Denisovian component, which is closely related to the Neanderthal.

      So it seems likely that the original stock migrated out of Africa and then crossed with Neanderthals and Denisovians they encountered, creating better and smarter hybrids.

      Thus Whites and North East Asians are neck and neck for heightened intelligence and impulse control, with the Africans coming in way behind.

      So, the darker you are, the stupider you are as a population seems to ring true.

  18. History will show by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    History will show the Neanderthals to have had the longest reign of any humanoids when we are gone. The more interesting questions are what will replace us or whether we'll leave enough behind for anything to replace us.

  19. Re:imho, what a waste of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do something then?

    I am, and I have and I'm also speaking out about it!

  20. Lentil-sized? Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You couldn’t just go right out and say pea-brained?

  21. Is this life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it can think like human - it is life as we understand it?

  22. Re:imho, what a waste of money by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

    "Better understanding of brain development is one of the most important things we can do to address these problems."

    I think that's an example of what he's talking about, a tendency to look for certain kinds of solutions at the detriment of other kinds when trying to help reduce things like poverty or corruption.

    "The root cause of many social problems is too many stupid people"

    Stupidity isn't more present at one IQ level than another, though it does play out differently at higher and lower IQs; and knowing that, how would one even start to justify that stupidity in the higher IQs is less of a causal factor behind poverty and corruption than stupidity in the lower IQs is.

    And biology likes producing individual variability, the complexity generated is an important component of progress and biological evolution, moreover the internal complexities and dynamics of social exchanges imply inclusion is a default mode; so maybe we could put a little more resources into looking at why we have trouble reducing things like our promotion of dysfunctional developmental pathways and adversarial cultural ideologies.

  23. incapable of thoughts and feelings? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How do they know they are incapable of thoughts and feelings?

  24. Mini Brains. Sounds like a cereal. by tdillo · · Score: 1

    New! Kellogg's Frosted Mini Brains

    1. Re:Mini Brains. Sounds like a cereal. by Powercntrl · · Score: 1

      Or zombie snacks

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  25. Re:imho, what a waste of money by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

    how would one even start to justify that stupidity in the higher IQs is less of a causal factor behind poverty and corruption than stupidity in the lower IQs is.

    Because of overwhelming evidence. Low IQ is strongly correlated with both poverty and criminality. It may not be correlated with "corruption", but if we have fewer low IQ murderers and muggers, the police can focus more on high IQ embezzlers and bribers.

  26. Higher IQ Criminals will stop you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Higher IQ Criminals end up in government or bribing government and probably own most every think tank in the USA. They won't allow any more resources directed at "regulation" of their criminal activities (many of which they keep on the borderline of legality... a line which they help redefine as well.)

    captcha:scrutiny

    1. Re:Higher IQ Criminals will stop you by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      More intelligent voters may be a solution.

    2. Re:Higher IQ Criminals will stop you by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

      "More intelligent voters may be a solution."

      Agreed, and things like better education, social inclusion, and better choices available throughout development, all lead to higher intelligence of voters and may be a part of the solution. Another big part is better politicians, better representation, better electoral systems, and better regulation of party financing.

  27. Re:imho, what a waste of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Burn!

  28. Re:imho, what a waste of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lots of things are correlated, and correlation is not causation. I agree with you 100%: poverty, criminality and IQ are all correlated. I see poverty as the more likely causal factor among the three. For example, we know so much more about nutrition than we have in the past. Particularly, the importance of fats and the importance to limit simple carbs. That's a relatively recent phenomenon for that knowledge to be widespread (and it conforms to my personal observations, lest one complain that we're being played by the scientists like in the past when they pushed for high-carb, low-fat diets). In addition, I think there is a compelling argument to be made that economic conditions would predict crime from poverty, as much, if not more than vice versa.

    Certainly crime predicts poverty. To some extent our way of life in the USA guarantees that. Having a criminal record hurts your job prospects, and even being arrested for the wrong thing will lose you many jobs. It sort of begs the question, though, doesn't it?

    Poverty means living somewhere with a high unemployment, a lack of commerce, and, in cities, high property taxes, high cost of food, no ability to get food naturally. Poverty in rural areas is only 3.3% higher (as of 2016, per capita), and rural areas are significantly cheaper places to meet bare necessities than urban areas (that, I hope, needs source). I would think it's at least twice the price to meet basic needs in a city as in the country. Think rural West Virginia vs Chicago. In reality, it might be like 4x or worse, even in the ghetto. But, for even a 2x cost of living increase with no increase in the poverty line, rural poor only make up 3% more of their population as compared to urban poor (using the federal poverty line as a marker) is a pretty small amount. I'm suggesting that if you used a poverty measure that measured things like good schooling, good nutrition and other, more difficult, but not impossible to measure, we would find urban environments would, easily, have a higher poverty rate. I think that'd be useful research. Finally, if you're underwater in a mortgage and have no cash, you're not moving. This is more likely to be true if you are poor. Recent census data is consistent with that point and the broader point that using a fixed poverty line seems to hide the fact that being urban poor is often a much worse environment than being rural poor as officially identified. Which brings me to my next point.

    I believe race is the root factor, but not in the way you're thinking. I don't know why I didn't make this point first, as I had trouble dancing around it in the last paragraph. Skipping the problem of institutionalized racism and going straight to historical racism only. Certainly, you won't argue against historical racism. Blacks have been historically discriminated against in this country from slavery until only a generation ago in some parts of the country (and, not even that in pockets). By the time society was open to giving blacks anything but a decent shake in life, they were already living in poverty in the crumbling cities. And, unlike in rural areas, nothing grows in the harsh concrete of an urban environment. After collapse of commerce leaving cities underfunded and without enough jobs, especially given that whites owned more than a proportional share of the businesses, it wasn't possible to just spin up commerce from there. People didn't have enough things of value to trade as there is far less natural resources per person. Even as the cities collapsed as the white majority left and took their businesses with them, it would have been hard to start a business in the collapsing city with a high competition for the limited resources and an unlikely shot at getting connections to somehow bring in outside resources (for example, getting a loan to start a grocery store) as the people w

  29. Re:imho, what a waste of money by zifn4b · · Score: 1

    The root cause of many social problems is too many stupid people.

    The root cause of "too many stupid people" is more interesting. Hold on a minute, I only have a 5 second attention span, it's time to watch Ow my balls.

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  30. Re:imho, what a waste of money by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Now where the fuck is money in that?

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  31. Re: imho, what a waste of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Haven't you been paying the slightest attention?
    The Jews are the rich bastards who will be the ones doing this.
    They will exterminate all inferior races except for a few they need to keep around to press lift buttons and turn lights on and off on their holy days. Even that is too muck 'work' from them and makes their daddy angry.

  32. Re:MiniBrain you say? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe you need a co-processing mini brain to do on the fly grammar checks.
    more easier....wtf?

  33. Re:imho, what a waste of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ok, let's give you that blacks got shitty treatment in the United States. How do you explain their equally dysfunctional behavior in every other country on earth, including the ones that are, and always have been, run by blacks?

  34. Re:imho, what a waste of money by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

    how would one even start to justify that stupidity in the higher IQs is less of a causal factor behind poverty and corruption than stupidity in the lower IQs is.

    Because of overwhelming evidence. Low IQ is strongly correlated with both poverty and criminality. It may not be correlated with "corruption", but if we have fewer low IQ murderers and muggers, the police can focus more on high IQ embezzlers and bribers.

    "Because of overwhelming evidence. Low IQ is strongly correlated with both poverty"

    Yes, but I said how would you support the idea that there's a causal link not a correlation.

    Supposing poverty is caused by marginalization and taking economic advantage of individuals with lower IQs for the benefit of individuals with higher IQs then poverty would be caused by individuals with higher IQs while still being correlated with individuals with lower IQs.

  35. Re: MiniBrain you say? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trumptard spotted

  36. Re:imho, what a waste of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Supposing poverty is caused by marginalization and taking economic advantage of individuals with lower IQs for the benefit of individuals with higher IQs then poverty would be caused by individuals with higher IQs while still being correlated with individuals with lower IQs."

    but it would still be solved by lower IQ people getting smarts as to not get taken advantage of by higher iq people.

  37. Re:imho, what a waste of money by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

    "but it would still be solved by lower IQ people getting smarts as to not get taken advantage of by higher IQ people."

    Yes maybe logically, but no because raising peoples IQs from lets say 70 to 120 doesn't work (or even 70 to 90), and even if you could a lot of people with high IQs can also easily be taken advantage. And maybe not being duped also has a lot to do with emotional 'reasoning'.

    On getting 'smarts', 'taking candy from baby's' won't be solved by educating the 'baby', same for a lot of seniors. And in between, I'd guess everyone no matter the kind of smarts they have can be taken advantage of by other individuals with the right a kind of smarts, and this no matter the IQs of the con-person and their victim.

    So I don't think a rise in peoples ability to 'not be taken advantage of' through education is a better part of a solution than reducing the degree to which we educate individuals with the idea that taking advantage of others is ok, can be deserved by the 'victim', and can even be worthy of praise.