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Plastic Bag Found at the Bottom of World's Deepest Ocean Trench (nationalgeographic.com)

The Mariana Trench -- the deepest point in the ocean -- extends nearly 36,000 feet down in a remote part of the Pacific Ocean. But if you thought the trench could escape the global onslaught of plastics pollution, you would be wrong. From a report: A recent study revealed that a plastic bag, like the kind given away at grocery stores, is now the deepest known piece of plastic trash, found at a depth of 36,000 feet inside the Mariana Trench. Scientists found it by looking through the Deep-Sea Debris Database, a collection of photos and videos taken from 5,010 dives over the past 30 years that was recently made public.

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  1. Why? by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But if you thought the trench could escape the global onslaught of plastics pollution, you would be wrong.

    Why would I, or anyone, think that?

    1. Re:Why? by vux984 · · Score: 2

      "Why would I, or anyone, think that?"

      Remember that floating island of plastic garbage? Things that float are on surface. How on earth a bag got from the surface all the way down to the bottom of the ocean I can't even imagine... Cthulhu aliens must have pulled it down.

    2. Re: Why? by saloomy · · Score: 2

      That's what I was thinking. What stops a bag from falling? There is debris on the bottom of oceans, the depths should be irrelevant.

    3. Re: Why? by olsmeister · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I would expect things to COLLECT in the deepest portions. As current moves things around, they will eventually tend to settle in the deepest portions as it's much much likely that currents will sweep debris up and out of these places.

    4. Re:Why? by chispito · · Score: 5, Funny

      But if you thought the trench could escape the global onslaught of plastics pollution, you would be wrong.

      Why would I, or anyone, think that?

      You wouldn't. But the story sounds more sensational if it's implied somebody would.

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    5. Re: Why? by petermgreen · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Polyethelene is less dense than water so if it's clean and empty then it will float. However an item in the bag or even a bit of sand washed inside could easilly push it over the edge into sinking.

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    6. Re:Why? by sirber · · Score: 2

      remember that some still think the Earth is flat so...

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    7. Re: Why? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      This particular plastic bag is not a problem, because sitting on the bottom of the ocean means that it will eventually become petroleum once again.

      What we need to find is a way of making the rest of the floating plastic sink to abyssal depths.

    8. Re: Why? by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This particular plastic bag is not a problem, because sitting on the bottom of the ocean means that it will eventually become petroleum once again.

      What we need to find is a way of making the rest of the floating plastic sink to abyssal depths.

      Submarines compact their trash (along with weights) and deliberately send it to the ocean depths.

    9. Re: Why? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That's why if we required that plastic be denser than seawater, that would get rid of most of the problem - not because it would sink in the ocean, but because it would sink at the first place where it was dumped into water, in telltale accumulations. Currently, no one knows where all this plastic is being dumped.

    10. Re:Why? by Subm · · Score: 2

      People will tell themselves whatever they can to help them sleep at night, knowing that they bought their comfort and convenience by polluting everyone else's world, to keep themselves from accepting responsibility and changing.

      You can consume less plastic. You can start now.

    11. Re:Why? by vux984 · · Score: 4, Funny

      "I never understood why people thought this was funny, Chewbacca doesn't live on Endor."

      I mean, i don't think its the greatest joke ever told. But whether or not Chewbacca does or does not live on Endor is completely irrelevant. I mean you realize that right? To call that error out, to suggest THAT is the sticking point for you??? --- because what? If Chewbacca DID live on Endor then this argument would have somehow worked ?

      The fact the idiots hearing the argument were convinced by an utter nonsense argument was the joke.

      The fact that, no Chewbacca doesn't even live on Endor is an inside joke for star wars nerds on top of that; because anyone who only saw RotJ once back in the 80s and doesn't remember it scene by scene could well accept that premise that Chewbacca was from Endor too -- but it doesn't even matter whether its true or not; its just the icing on the cake.

    12. Re: Why? by DigiShaman · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Hawaii is has a gift of sorts, an active volcano. Why are we not throwing are non-recyclables and e-waste into the volcano? Next eruption, the lava will consume and break it down to it's basic elements anyways. Since it's going to be throwing tons of pollution into the atmosphere anyways, might as well take advantage of natures incinerator.

      And yes, I'm being very serious. Perhaps it's more of a safety issue even in periods of relative inactivity?

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    13. Re: Why? by jabuzz · · Score: 2

      Yes we do, dirty filty people who don't know what a litter bin is, let alone what recycling is. The amount of plastic that I am personally responsible for not being disposed of properly in my entire life is probably about 100g if that.

    14. Re:Why? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Humans are very prone to magical thinking about even the most practical matters. For example, a small but meaningful fraction of the world population thinks that their fossil CO2 emissions magically don't contribute to climate change.

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    15. Re:Why? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You can consume less plastic. You can start now.

      I started back in 2012, when my city, San Jose CA, banned single-use plastic bags.

      Hawaii bans bags statewide.

      Kenya, Uganda, and Rwanda ban bags.

      China doesn't ban bags, but they cannot be free. Shops have to charge extra for them, which greatly decreases their use.

    16. Re: Why? by Sarten-X · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While the volcano is busy breaking down the plastic to elements, it'll still release a lot of those half-broken molecules as debris and ash, many of which will float on the air over to populated areas. In Hawaii, those areas are also the places that bring in that lovely tourist revenue.

      You're essentially suggesting we use a volcano as an incinerator, without bothering to put any filtration or scrubbers on the exhaust. Granted, the heavy stuff will be completely destroyed... but the lighter stuff will be just as bad as any other incineration. It might be possible to capture the released gas and try to filter it, but I suspect the higher heat of the volcano will make building such a structure rather difficult.

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    17. Re: Why? by Nidi62 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      An animal could have ingested it then died, sinking to the bottom and bringing the bag with it.

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    18. Re: Why? by tinkerton · · Score: 2

      Interesting thought. I would have said me too, but since I've been told that washing a fleece causes a lot of microplastics to end up in the environment and so does scouring powder I started to think what else I was overlooking. At least I don't have artificial grass.

    19. Re: Why? by morethanapapercert · · Score: 2
      I think it would be better; although much more expensive to implement, to drop waste into an active subduction zone. Doing so would pull the waste down into the mantle, not only effectively breaking it down, but also trapping everything at the same time. This would be ideal for certain types of nuclear waste as well. Not the partially used rods and pellets of nuclear fuel mind you. If we ever smarten up and finally start building thorium reactors, the rods and pellets from uranium fission plants can easily be fully consumed in a thorium molten salts reactor. I read somewhere that used fuel rods or pellets are barely used up in terms of reactivity when they are removed from use. (which is why they get sequestered in cooling ponds for so long)

      Along the same lines other, things we can't recycle today might well be recyclable in the near future. For the numerous rare earths used in electronics particularly, I can easily believe that a process can be developed that is more cost efficient as a source of rare earths than mining for new supplies. Viewed as ore, most electronics are actually richer sources of rare earths than the native ores they came from. In that light, any disposal method that leaves the elements inside basically irretrievable would short sighted,

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    20. Re: Why? by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Funny

      African or European?

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    21. Re:Why? by vux984 · · Score: 2

      "You can't remember what doesn't exist."

      You are going to call me out on the garbage island (which yes, is just a higher concentration of plastic particulates that can't be seen by the naked eye...) but you are going to let the Cthulhu aliens go unchallenged.

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    22. Re: Why? by jabuzz · · Score: 2

      Microplastics shedding from clothing during washing is an interesting issue. However this is not a plastic bag at the bottom of the Mariana Trench, or the floating plastic garbage island in the middle of the Pacific. This are directly caused by dirty filthy people disposing of rubbish by just randomly throwing it away when they no longer need it.

      As regards microplastic shedding from clothes, the bulk of my clothing is natural fibres to start with. I also expect to find washing machines come with appropriate filters in the near future. Unfortunately the sort of aftermarket inline filters you can currently get don't work for me as being in europe my washing machine is in my kitchen and without a kitchen refit there is not the space to fit one in unfortunately.

  2. Gravity works! by dlleigh · · Score: 2, Informative

    That's the important takeaway here. Even at crushing depths and pressures, gravity will still pull a plastic bag all the way to the bottom.

    1. Re:Gravity works! by guruevi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think at those depths, buoyancy and currents has much more forces on the bag than gravity. Even above water a plastic bag is quickly overtaken by those.

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  3. Did you pick it up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Probably like most people they commented about it but left it there for someone else to deal with.

  4. that should make by mandark1967 · · Score: 3, Funny

    taking samples much easier since paper bags would get waterlogged and tear.

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  5. Gravity is only a theory ! by DrYak · · Score: 2

    But gravity, it's only a theory !

    Teach the controversy!

    #IntelligentFalling

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    1. Re:Gravity is only a theory ! by CustomSolvers2 · · Score: 2

      Jokes aside and by being a bit pedantic, I would say that one thing is the empirical reality of everything on Earth falling downwards and a completely different story is the theoretical approaches trying to explain said phenomenon. If you use the word "gravity" to refer to the phenomenon itself, nobody in their right mind should deny their existence. On the other hand, if you refer to one of the theories trying to explain why that phenomenon exists, some people might think that it is wrong. Again, nobody in their right mind should ever interpret a critic to a theory as a denial of the underlying phenomenon, much less when dealing with something whose existence is so evident.

      Rather than "gravity is just a theory", I would say that the word "gravity" might be used to refer to one of the theories which try to explain the aforementioned reality. Personally, I prefer to use "gravity" for the phenomenon and "theory X about..." for whatever theory. It seems much less confusing in this way.

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  6. Hope by Tablizer · · Score: 3

    I've been looking all over for my Zune receipt. Is it in that bag?

  7. Age of Plastic by foxalopex · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wonder how long some of this plastic will survive? It's going to be weird when millions of years from now, our layer in the geologic records is marked by plastics, chemicals and a mass extinction.

    1. Re:Age of Plastic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      won't be any different than the age when grocery stores handed out bags made of iridium.

  8. Re:How long? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, given the dimensions of the trench, and the average mass of a grocery bag is around 9 grams, and the density of LDPE is around 0.94 g/cc, it would take about 1.87 * 10^22 bags to fill the trench to the surface of the ocean.or about 2.4 trillion bags per person on the face of the Earth.

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  9. Which grocery store? by magusxxx · · Score: 2, Funny

    Because their delivery service is AWESOME!

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  10. Re:Paper. by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Like... whatever happened to the paper bags we used to get out groceries in? You know, environmentally friendly, renewable, cheap, QUICKLY biodegradable, strong, reusable paper bags.

    Those paper bags are still there, in every supermarket. You just have to ask for them.

  11. Re:Paper. by jwhyche · · Score: 5, Informative

    Not at the supermarkets where I live. Plastic or carry it yourself. I bring my own cloth reusable bags.

    I really hate how this world has gone plastic crazy, plastic bags and bottles. I would much rather us return to paper bags and glass bottles. To me drinks just taste better out of glass bottles. An glass is infinity recycle. An even if glass gets in the environment it is not as big a deal as plastic. Glass will eventually get broken down into is components, sand, much more quickly than plastic.

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  12. Re:mod parent up by Whorhay · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't remember who thought it up but that is actually one of the safest possible ways to dispose of a lot of nuclear waste. The plan was to mix the waste in with glass, temper and mold it into a big torpedo looking thing and drop it from a surface ship into the ocean sediment at a subduction zone. Such an object would bury its self deep in the sediments which should prevent it from posing a radiation risk to anything alive in the vicinity. Over the eons it would end up encased in sedimentary rock, and then eventually melted into the mantle. By the time it might resurface it should be so diluted and decayed as to pose no discernible risk to any people that might be left around. We don't do it apparently because of international treaties which generally ban disposing of nuclear waste in the oceans.

  13. Re:How long? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2

    ...which is about 3.7 billion years of plastic bag consumption at present-day rates, if we deliver each one to the trench, and if you assume no biodegradation which does become a factor on such a timescale (especially if a plastic-eating bacteria were to escape the lab).

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  14. Obligatory xkcd quotes! by LordHighExecutioner · · Score: 2

    There are a few of them, here and there in the what-if section, and two also in the main section, and also there, if you hover with the mouse. I wouldn't be surpised if others appear, however: it is such a deep argument, after all.

  15. Re:Relevance by Wulf2k · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Finding plastic bags in the underwater trenches of an exoplanet would actually be fairly remarkable on a number of fronts.

  16. Re:Paper. by jwhyche · · Score: 2

    On the other hand, I've seen plastic bags of trash almost completely disappear from rot and other stuff tearing it apart.

    Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean its gone. Plastic molecules don't degrade so easy. They are finding molecules of plastic in soil bacteria. The longevity of some of the most dense plastics is measured in thousands of years. Glass exposed to the environment will eventually get broken down. Even glass on beaches will eventually be taken care of over time.

    Some plastics are also poisonous, pure glass isn't.

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  17. Re:Paper. by jwhyche · · Score: 2

    I just read an article where some glass in the right conditions can last a million years. That condition being a landfill. That is actually pretty cool. I had no ideal that glass could last that long before breaking down.

    But those where perfectly stable conditions. I still think that glass in the environment will break down a lot faster.

    On another note. Does anyone else feel that in the future we will be mining our current landfills for valuable resources? So much shit we have tossed into landfills, steel, glass, gold, and other precious metals. Maybe in a few hundred years there will be a gold rush to the local dump.

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