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Lenovo Teases a True All-Screen Smartphone With No Notch (cnet.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from CNET: Notches, it seems, are the new black. Originally seen -- and often criticized -- on the Essential PH-1 and iPhone X in 2017, the trend of adding notches to Android phones has only accelerated this year as phone makers look to maximize the screen size. But the Lenovo Z5 is going the other way: It's truly all-screen, and notch-free. At least, that's according to a sketch shared last Friday by Lenovo VP Chang Cheng on Weibo, a Twitter-like platform in China. Cheng's teaser post says (according to Google Translate) that the Lenovo Z5 is the company's new flagship phone. Besides that, the post leaves it pretty vague.

All-screen phones look cool, but they challenge the manufacturer to find a place to put front cameras, sensors and other hardware. That's why we see bezels on some phones and notches on others. It's not clear what Lenovo plans to do with the front camera on the Lenovo Z5. Cheng's post claims that "four technological breakthroughs" and "18 patented technologies" were made for the phone, but doesn't go into details.
One of the first smartphones to launch with an edge-to-edge display was the Xiaomi Mi Mix. It launched with next to no bezel or notch, leaving many to wonder where the earpiece would be. What Xiaomi managed to do was use what it calls "cantilever piezoelectric ceramic acoustic technology." Basically, it's a component that converts electrical energy into mechanical energy to transfer to the phone's internal metal frame, which then vibrates to create sound. It's possible the Z5 relies on a similar technology, or bone conduction technology found in many headphones and some smartphones.

Aside from the front-facing camera and ambient light sensors, the other components that are typically found on the front of smartphones are relatively easy to drag-and-drop to different locations. For example, the speakers in the Z5 are likely bottom facing and the navigation controls are almost certainly software based. The question is whether or not it's worth having a true all-screen smartphone if it means there's no front-facing camera, ambient light sensors, or stereo speakers.

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  1. The answer to the question by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 4, Funny

    The question is whether or not it's worth having a true all-screen smartphone if it means there's no front-facing camera, ambient light sensors, or stereo speakers.

    Absolutely NOT!

    Until Apple does it, then it is a must-have and an obvious requirement.

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    1. Re:The answer to the question by msauve · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's all bullshit. Just say no. For illogical reasons, the "flagship" phones seem headed in the direction of form over function. I don't want a phone which makes it hard to not "fat finger" an unintentional/undisired change due to touching a screen edge, nor do I want a phone which doesn't have a speaker on the front which allows me to hear clearly.

      Face it, they're all rounded rectangles with a display. Differentiate with utilitarian function, nor form, because any real difference from the norm is just late 1950's tail fins on cars. And the automakers figured out the fucked up much faster than cellphone makers will. I don't want thin, either. Give me a larger, replaceable battery, not some phone that's hard to not drop. There was actually an article today about Apple's rumored next phone being "revolutionary" [sic] for some shit related to having a higher screen/area ratio, or some other meaningless crap.

      P. T. Barnum was right, although he underestimated the scale.

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    2. Re:The answer to the question by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm quite happy with my 2017 era smartphone with removable battery, dual SIM, headphone jack, sdcard, fm radio and possibly other features Tim Cook decided I didn't need.

    3. Re:The answer to the question by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      What, not giving the name of this magical phone?
      Or are you afraid of us looking it up and finding its flaws as well?

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    4. Re:The answer to the question by Trogre · · Score: 3, Funny

      Magical phone?

      Those are all pretty standard features. Do you have an iPhone perhaps?

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    5. Re: The answer to the question by Trogre · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So you *don't* want a device that works properly?

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    6. Re:The answer to the question by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      The notch on these phones is because there is some technology in the way however the technology doesn’t fill up the entire top of the screen. So they found a way to get a display to fit in a non square space.

      If Lenovo found a way to get rid of the need for the notch. That is a good thing, but did they make a sacrifice for that feature, and is that notch worth the sacrifice.

      Besides the geek rage about the headphone jack missing on the iPhone. It was a sacrifice Apple did for waterproofing and to free up some space to get some extra technology in. So far this seems to be a good move from Apple dispite the geek rage of love of a port that was never intended for such a device.

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    7. Re:The answer to the question by Armonk · · Score: 2

      I guess you're forgetting that Samsung, back in March 2016, released the S7 Edge. It's as thin as the iPhone X (7.7mm), it has a headphone jack - and it's IP68 rated. That kind of technology is normal. Only Apple couldn't figure out how to do that magical combination of thin, headphone jack, and IP68 rating.

      Exactly and in April 2014, Samsung released a phone, that had waterproofing, minijack AND removeable batteries... The REAL reason Apple, Samsung and other are hellbent on stupid trends like non-removeable batteries, removing minijack and other user hostile moves... is that they want to maximize profit and their excuses are accepted by most because they do not sit down and use just 5 minutes with a search engine. If they did, they would discover that all the excuses from Apple, Samsung and others are lies.... Sadly most people do not realise this stuff and this is why we are where we are now... in technological hell!

    8. Re:The answer to the question by dargaud · · Score: 2

      I don't know what phone he has, but I have a Wiko View 32 which has all those features and more for 140€. Those flagship phones were great 10 years ago but now they only stack useless expensive gimmicks like 3D face recognition and 1mm thinner whatever.

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    9. Re:The answer to the question by Escogido · · Score: 2

      >I don't want thin, either. Give me a larger, replaceable battery, not some phone that's hard to not drop.

      You do realize it's the market that wants thin, and not Apple? The reason the likes of you and I aren't getting what we want is because we're a minority, and not because Apple is so anti-us. If people actually cared about batteries more than about thin I expect Apple would have delivered.

    10. Re:The answer to the question by aix+tom · · Score: 2

      You do realize it's the market that wants thin, and not Apple?

      So because "the market" wants thin 99% of actual people seem to put their thin smart phones in some sort of case that makes it thicker?

    11. Re:The answer to the question by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      It's all bullshit. Just say no. For illogical reasons, the "flagship" phones seem headed in the direction of form over function

      Yes, it is bullshit. But there is a logic to it.

      As smartphone sales flatten out, the producers have to come up with the next big thing. So they work hard at convincing people that a bezel is an insufferable hardship, and lo and behold, "We shall release you from your bonds!"

      The question is whether the public will flock to this modern miracle or not. I have a nice iPhone 7, and expect to use it until the batter doesn't hold a charge any more. A bezel-less phone is of no interest to me. I'm also one of those weirdos that use a protective case, so I'm curious of what those will look like for phones that have no bezel. My phone would last maybe a day without one.

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    12. Re: The answer to the question by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      You can get a thicker phone with a nice battery life if you want.

      What fun is it if we can''t bash the people with the thin phone though?

      This is all just more of the Ford versus Chevy mentality for them, where the thiccness of the phone is either a plus or a minus based on predetermined ideas.

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    13. Re:The answer to the question by shm · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The market doesn't really want thin. They add cases and (un)happily lug powerbanks around.

      No, the non-replaceable batteries might have started out as way to make the phone thin, but now it's a way to make sure that you change your device every two years when the battery dies (and/or the OS slows down to "help.")

      They clearly extended the same idea to their laptops where the new macbook batteries can't be replaced at home.

  2. Earpiece by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2

    I'd rather have a good earpiece, not some crap workaround that uses the entire phone face as a speaker. I TALK on the phone, more than I use it as a pocket computer, so I want it not to sound like junk. What's the big deal about a 1/4" stripe without a display on top and bottom. It's a functional device, not artwork, for G-d's sake.

    1. Re: Earpiece by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Maybe the idea is that you flip the phone over and talk on its backside. It's quite possible that's where they relocated the mic and speaker.

  3. Re:Pretty Cool by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2

    "Earpiece behind the screen" or "bone conduction" will always sound like utter shit compared to a good-quality earpiece speaker. Why sacrifice sound quality for bragging rights about screen size? Stupid. If you don't want the "phone" function, get a damn tablet and STFU.

  4. Re: I don't get it by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Exactly. Give me a nice "third world" phone (Samsung J1 or J3, Moto G4 Play or G5) with removable battery, SD card. May be homely, but at least I'm not forced to buy a new phone every year by the planned-obsolescent unfixable design.

  5. Re:So... no one checked the article? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

    Cause the pictures show a big black "notch" that goes all the way across the screen.

    You must've been looking at a different image than I was - the one I saw was definitely bezel-less. There was a mid-story link to another story about phones with notches, though.

    In any case, I'm sure this one will be copying Apple's... price.

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  6. Re:Fake News by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 2

    Lenovo is the owner of Moto, the all American smartphone company that Google pumped and dumped after collaborating on the Nexus 6.

  7. Re:Pretty Cool by djinn6 · · Score: 2

    Have the front camera slide out from the top edge when in use.

  8. Re:I don't get it by thegarbz · · Score: 2

    If you don't have a bezelless phone, you don't have a bezelless phone.

  9. OK, I have read every link now by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    But the key question remains unanswered: Why the fuck would I want that?

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  10. Who are these phone for? by kbg · · Score: 2

    Maybe I am the exception, but none this is what I want in a smarthphone. I want standard physical buttons, I want a good front facing camera, I want a good speaker. I want a replacable battery. I want a longer battery life. I want a headphone socket. I want an easy to replace glass screen.

    The size of the screen is not what is the most important.

    But what I do NOT want is a curved screen or edge to edge screen that makes the screen more fragile and breakable. The screen is the most vulnarable part of the device so the primary design should be to protect the screen with edges and sides to cover the screen.

  11. Design decisions by sjbe · · Score: 2

    For illogical reasons, the "flagship" phones seem headed in the direction of form over function.

    I think form over function is in the rear view mirror. I have an iPhone X and while it's a good device overall, some of the hardware design decisions are baffling. Starting with Apple's pursuit of thin at all costs. I would MUCH rather have a phone twice as thick with a bigger battery and a better camera both of which are largely precluded by making each device thinner than the last. They removed the TouchID for FaceID but there are a lot of circumstances where TouchID works better and it would have been nice to still have it even if relocated. The notch seems to me to be pure marketing BS with little actual utility. I don't personally care about the 3.5mm jack but many do and Apple provided no option for pass through connections in their Lightning interface so you can plug in your headphones or plug in power but not both at the same time.

    Give me a larger, replaceable battery, not some phone that's hard to not drop.

    I don't care about a the fact that the battery is built in but I think there is a better solution. Most of my complaints could have been solved if Apple provided an well designed expansion interface for cases. Think about a battery case with variants for stuff like better speakers or a 3.5mm jack or TouchID or cameras or other add ons would solve a lot of problems. Honestly I think Apple (and others) are leaving money on the table by ignoring cases as a tightly integrated expansion device rather than the afterthought they treat it as today. Keep the built in battery but make an option for cases to provide features missing.

    I don't want a phone which makes it hard to not "fat finger" an unintentional/undisired change due to touching a screen edge,

    The iPhone X screen goes pretty close to the edge of the device and in every day use the lack of a bezel hasn't proven to be a real world problem for me. I understand the concern but my take is try it before judging. For me at least the smaller form factor while maximizing screen size turned out to be a huge win. Your mileage may vary of course but I suspect you will find it to be less of an issue than you fear.

  12. Re:Pretty Cool by JackieBrown · · Score: 2

    People use it for video chatting as well.

    The future is here!