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Intel's First 10nm Cannon Lake CPU Sees the Light of Day (anandtech.com)
Artem Tashkinov writes: A Chinese retailer has started selling a laptop featuring Intel's first 10nm CPU the Intel Core i3 8121U. Intel promised to start producing 10nm CPUs in 2016 but the rollout has been postponed almost until the second half of 2018. It's worth noting that this CPU does not have integrated graphics enabled and features only two cores.
AnandTech opines: "This machine listed online means that we can confirm that Intel is indeed shipping 10nm components into the consumer market. Shipping a low-end dual core processor with disabled graphics doesn't inspire confidence, especially as it is labelled under the 8th gen designation, and not something new and shiny under the 9th gen -- although Intel did state in a recent earnings call that serious 10nm volume and revenue is now a 2019 target. These parts are, for better or worse, helping Intel generate some systems with the new technology. We've never before seen Intel commercially use low-end processors to introduce a new manufacturing process, although this might be the norm from now on."
AnandTech opines: "This machine listed online means that we can confirm that Intel is indeed shipping 10nm components into the consumer market. Shipping a low-end dual core processor with disabled graphics doesn't inspire confidence, especially as it is labelled under the 8th gen designation, and not something new and shiny under the 9th gen -- although Intel did state in a recent earnings call that serious 10nm volume and revenue is now a 2019 target. These parts are, for better or worse, helping Intel generate some systems with the new technology. We've never before seen Intel commercially use low-end processors to introduce a new manufacturing process, although this might be the norm from now on."
Not everyone needs to cough up $1900 for a CPU to have a computer that is usable to them.
I absolutely hate this notion today that only the most expensive modern things are usable, and that anything else will not work properly.
The free ride is over, software retards. You may actually have to start programming again, instead of creating multi-gigabyte copy-and-paste monsters that can't even keep up with typing at the keyboard, yet use 100% CPU on quad core machines.
One thing producing performance-impacting patches for existing processor, another thing trying to sell and manufacture defective processor with known before launch vulnerability.
This CPU is nearly 3 years late.
Intel are having immense difficulty with the 10nm move. Down from 14nm (which was 'refreshed' twice)
What this means is that other manufactuers are now genuinely catching up to Intel, as much as I didn't believe it, it does seem that (I think TMSC?) is now just about ready to start putting out 7nm products.
(Note, they all bloody lie about the figures, TMSC 7nm is basically about Intels 10nm)
That does mean that AMD may be producing CPUs with a similar transistor density and voltage requirements to Intel soon, meaning the only advantage available is processor design, not manufacturing process.
Regardless of AMDs improved competition potential here though, is the concern that the move from 22nm to 14nm to 10nm has been AWFULLY slow and it's one of the driving factors in why computer processing hasn't really improved hugely in the past 4 to 10 years. It's improved but nothing at all like the previous decade.
If you're an enthusiast dying for top of the line performance with a deep budget, this has been painful, as you upgrade every 18 months to 20% faster, instead of 70+% faster. If you're a homelab server nerd who wants to run a great little VM cluster, on some mid range, low power chips, the chips you could've bought 3 years ago, are probably fairly viable, still, to todays options.
Intel has delayed the rest of their 10nm processors I think until next year. Means the Intel 8700k 6core and the rumoured 8750 / 8900 (?) 8 core model (soonish) will be the best you can probably buy, for the next 18 months. If you've been holding off upgrading, may be worth considering.
It kind of sucks, I'm in the 'want a nice, low power server, but still kinda powerful' camp and I don't want 85w of CPU in my cupboard, but I would like at least 6, half decent threads. It's possible, but would've been much more likely with the shrinks being on time.
In 2 years a $400 computer will be better than yours.
Just sayin'.
Well... we are at a point where physical limitations have already killed Moore's Law... The reason we see little to no improvements from one CPU generation to the next, is that intel, AMD and others are trying to strech the last possible speed increases as long as possible to ensure income untill something is ready to take over from silicon. My computer is 2 years old, it is not a particular expensive computer but still a top of the line gamer computer for its time... it packs 32 GB of memory, GTX1080 and an i6700K... it is still among the best gaming rigs and any game I throw at it works perfectly. I suspect this computer will serve me well enough for gaming untill something truly amazing can take over from silicon based computers..
Most likely by mistake last Sunday Intel released Z390 chipset information. The page has since been pulled down because this chipset was rumored to be accompanied with octa-core Coffee Lake CPUs which are yet to be announced.
Next time I'm gonna web-archive their mistakes ;-)
Have you seen their R&D expenditures?
Designing a 14nm tech process in the 70's/80's was impossible because it has taken billions of dollars of investments and new technologies (some of which weren't invented at Intel) to get there. Also, considering that they've rehashed their 14nm tech process twice and their first 10nm part is a castrated 2core CPU minus iGPU, it surely looks like 10nm is extremely difficult/costly to get right.
Have you seen their R&D expenditures?
Designing a 14nm tech process in the 70's/80's was impossible because it has taken billions of dollars of investments and new technologies (some of which weren't invented at Intel) to get there. Also, considering that they've rehashed their 14nm tech process twice and their first 10nm part is a castrated 2core CPU minus iGPU, it surely looks like 10nm is extremely difficult/costly to get right.
Well, that's exactly what they want you to believe. When they say "R&D expedinture", they really mean "R&R expedinture".
Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
We have a Chinese retailer claiming to sell a 10nm CPU that has the features (and probably speed) of a 5 year old low budget processor. And since Chinese companies have a spotless track record of never trying to sell counterfeited products, we should readily believe that this seemingly ancient CPU is bleeding edge.
I ... erh... well... how do you put it nicely...
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
This hasn't been the case for years as processor development has slowed. My desktop is coming up on two years, and it would still crush a new $400 computer Heck, a 5 year old high end computer would still be competitive with a $400 computer in most tasks.
This hasn't been the case for years as processor development has slowed. My desktop is coming up on two years, and it would still crush a new $400 computer Heck, a 5 year old high end computer would still be competitive with a $400 computer in most tasks.
My PC will be three years old this summer... I looked at replacing it, and had a very hard time building something that would have a noticeable performance gain at ANY price (at least given that I need single-core performance for gaming). The only reason I was looking at all was because I need the hardware to replace my old Linux server (which is a 6-7 year old i5/16GB box that's also still perfectly fine, but I need to do a complete OS refresh/rebuild, so I might as well update the hardware at the same time).
If your computer is 2 years old and packs a GTX 1080, you must have bought the card practically on launch day (May 27th 2016), which must have cost a small fortune.
Well I guess it's what a fortune is to you. I bought a 1080Ti at launch, sure it was $700 but it's well over a year later and apart from a few ridiculously overpriced Titan cards it's head and shoulders above the pack. I expect it'll be faster than a 1170 but slightly slower than a 1180, that's usually been the case. Two years after that'll it'll probably be behind, but not so terribly far behind the 1270 that I'll replace it. So I'm thinking the 13xx generation would be a likely replacement time. That's over a year already + two full generations = 5-6 years = <$150/year. Divided by hours played, <$1/hour of gametime. As hobbies go - considering the GPU is the single biggest expense of being a gamer - I consider it a bargain. Sure it's not WoW addict & Ramen noodles cheap and I don't really need it, but you can certainly find much more expensive interests...
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Sounds like the desktop I'm running right now. I was briefly fishing around to replace it but the performance way outclasses what I need. I imagine that I will be keeping this desktop for another 2 years, at least.
Sitting behind me is my linux server. It's running a FX-8350 from 2012. Every year for the past 3 years I've been thinking about replacing it. The only excuse I have to replace it is because its over six years old. Other than that I don't have any. In it's role its performance also exceeds what I need it to do. So I have put off replacing it for another year.
Well actually with the linux server I compromised this year. I'm going to move it to a better case with more disk slots. This case only has 10 and they are filled up.
I read at +2. If your post doesn't reach that level I will not see or respond to it.