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NYC Transit Boss Unveils Sweeping 10-Year Subway Modernization Plan (nbcnewyork.com)
The Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA) on Wednesday unveiled a sweeping plan to modernize the city's subway system over the next 10 years. From a report: The proposal, which new New York City Transit President Andy Byford called "Fast Forward," centers on overhauling the mass transit network's signaling system -- some of which dates back to the early 20th century -- 30 years sooner than current Subway Action Plan.
But it won't come without a good bit of pain: sources told News 4 that Byford's plan would require entire lines to be taken out of service during overnight and weekend hours for extended periods. Byford -- who took over the task of running the city's subways and buses earlier this year -- said in an MTA meeting Wednesday that the work would be split into two five-year chunks. Over the first five years parts or all of the 4,5, 6, E, F, M, R, A, C, E and G lines would receive modern signaling systems. That would include the entirety of the Lexington Avenue line, which carries the 4, 5 and 6 trains and is the most-used mass transit line in the United States.
But it won't come without a good bit of pain: sources told News 4 that Byford's plan would require entire lines to be taken out of service during overnight and weekend hours for extended periods. Byford -- who took over the task of running the city's subways and buses earlier this year -- said in an MTA meeting Wednesday that the work would be split into two five-year chunks. Over the first five years parts or all of the 4,5, 6, E, F, M, R, A, C, E and G lines would receive modern signaling systems. That would include the entirety of the Lexington Avenue line, which carries the 4, 5 and 6 trains and is the most-used mass transit line in the United States.
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Trains just like good old 1899.
The original long term mta plan was to go with a driverless signaling. I'd be worried that they're not going to do that with this plan.
"Byford's plan would require entire lines to be taken out of service during overnight and weekend hours for extended periods."
Every time I've visited NYC on the weekend, a line is down, or a station, or a platform, or a train, or *something*, pretty much everywhere. How would this be different?
I have an idea: replace the existing octagonal wheels with ten-sided wheels!
Does the NYC subway still use 25Hz power for lighting in some stations ? I remember when I use to take the subway to school that I could see the incandescent lights flicker due to the 25Hz power being supplied to them.
This is going to be an insane runaway cost by then. I can only imagine how much the unions will bleed from NYC, which will likely get assistance from the federal government, which will then be cycled back into the political machines that the unions power to repeat it.
I would be stunned if this doesn't cost at least $30 billion given the [refuted] estimate.
The CBTC (aka the signal improvements) on the 7 train, which were supposed to take 7 years (chosen because it was the 2nd easiest line to do) has taken 10 years (aka 3 years late) and STILL not working
The 7 train extension, started in 2007, supposed to be finished in 2013 had one station dropped, and STILL took till Sept 2015 (aka about 50% over)
We won't talk about the fact that the Second Ave Subway took 99 YEARS from when it was first proposed till when it opened, and was "fully funded" by bond issues at least 3 times
NOTHING gets done in 10 years by the MTA
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It will be de-modernize quickly by tons of graffiti.
... to bring the annoyance of weekend engineering works to another cityâ(TM)s subway.
This is classic NY subway design: prioritize the trip from the commuter rail (at Grand Central Station) to Wall Street (also on the 4-5-6).
Compared to Europe, Australia, and I imagine most developed countries, riding the subway in New York feels like you're in a 3rd world country. I get that "cars are king" for most of the US, but in New York City, where there's an obvious need for mass transit, and insanely expensive real estate above those tracks, it's shocking that the state of mass transit below ground seems stuck in the 20th century.
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And the actual payback will be something like 50-75 years...
At which time, they'll modernize again...
If you take your car you hit construction zones and if you take the subway you hit construction zones. Why can you do?
Next you're going to propose that all the sides should be equilateral.
This is Andy Byford, formerly of the TTC. He actually spearheaded loads of things to modernize the system, even when it hurt in the pockets or in time taken, but he put those things as priority one and may as well have said: "So we're going to do things with twice the money and do them twice as fast! It's never been done before? I don't bloody care, get to it!" (Nice guy, though, he just makes people work hard.)
He couldn't turn every bad thing around on the TTC, but aside from putting more vehicles on the road (which is happening slowly), or automating subways (which is still ongoing), there wasn't a lot left to be done during his tenure.
You New Yorkers are lucky. Byford will do things you thought were impossible if you can take the pain of ponying up the cash and downtimes. He's a fixer-upper kind of guy, that's why he's decided to work on the oldest transit system in the world.
Maybe he'll even take the subways and buses like he did in Toronto?
So that's why the CIA has been funding ISIS. It's part of the infrastructure upgrades.