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Comcast Confirms Plan To Buy 21st Century Fox and Control of Hulu (arstechnica.com)

Comcast is reportedly preparing an offer to buy major portions of 21st Century Fox, which would give it majority control of Hulu and other media properties. Ars Technica reports: Walt Disney Company already has a $52.4 billion all-stock deal to buy the 21st Century Fox properties. But Comcast was rumored to be lining up $60 billion in financing in order to make a hostile bid for the Fox assets, and Comcast's announcement today confirms it. Comcast "is considering, and is in advanced stages of preparing, an offer for the businesses that Fox has agreed to sell to Disney," Comcast's announcement said. Comcast is working on the offer in preparation for shareholder meetings in which the Disney/Fox deal will be considered.

The Fox properties for sale do not include assets such as the Fox News Channel, Fox Business Network, and Fox Broadcasting Company. Those properties would be spun off into a company being referred to as "New Fox," and Comcast would acquire 21st Century Fox after the spinoff. The Fox sale to either Disney or Comcast would include 21st Century Fox's film and television studios; cable entertainment networks; the Fox Sports Regional Networks; and international properties including Star in India and Fox's 39-percent ownership of Sky across Europe. The sale would also include Fox's 30-percent stake in Hulu, the popular online video streaming service. Comcast already owns 30 percent of Hulu, so a deal with Fox would give the nation's largest cable company majority control over the online video provider.

65 comments

  1. How do I reject this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    As unacceptable ideas go, this is only short of giving Donald Trump the Nobel Prize for Literature, and just worse than living inside a nuclear reactor core.

  2. I feel sorry for you streaming-media people by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wow, you 'cut the cord' on companies like Comcast and went to streaming services like Hulu, and now guess what? You'll be giving your money to Comcast again anyway, if this deal goes through.

    1. Re:I feel sorry for you streaming-media people by Zaelath · · Score: 5, Insightful

      People cut the cord because the pricing model sucks, it's not like any of these companies aren't ultimately on a scale between immoral and malevolent.

    2. Re: I feel sorry for you streaming-media people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After learning about dvd.com from people on slashdot, I am now even more remote from any of these fuckers. I'm in content bliss..

    3. Re:I feel sorry for you streaming-media people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      They keep the price and service the same, can keep enjoying our money. They try and treat Hulu like they did their Cable or Internet stuff, can cut Hulu too.

      I can do without just fine and plenty more have no issues starting up PirateBay and torrents again if the price or the content is too out of whack.

    4. Re:I feel sorry for you streaming-media people by Streetlight · · Score: 2

      No, you won't be giving your money to Hulu. Comcast will shut Hulu down.

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    5. Re:I feel sorry for you streaming-media people by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 2

      You'll be giving your money to Comcast again anyway, if this deal goes through.

      Comcast already owns like 30% of Hulu. Disney and Fox each also own like 30% apiece.

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    6. Re:I feel sorry for you streaming-media people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if you don't think Crapcast wants to actually turn a profit at Hulu? I kinda feel sorry for you. Hide your fucking wallet and credit cards, because they're gonna get their money from you one way or another. It's not your money. Never was. Yes. It's in "your" bank account, but Comcast and the other way-too-big mega companies already have claim on every last cent.

      They already have or control enough content to dictate pricing of Hulu now. They just need the controlling interest in the site to unilaterally set prices.

      And guess what? People will pay them more, too, because unless a Netflix or Amazon or Apple offers big huge billions with a capital B, Comcast will keep the popular and desirable stuff 'Hulu exclusive' and won't allow anyone else to stream it.

      This is what happens when you let one big company (that's already a fucking monopoly) buy another and another and another to increase their 'vertical' reach. We're fucked unless all the republican morons in this administration get the axe.... and soon.

    7. Re:I feel sorry for you streaming-media people by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

      Hulu has always been owned by comcast, fox and others. Just like Verizon trying to get rid of copper, the ISP's are probably going to try to get rid of their cable box businesses and simply sell streaming packages without the overhead of the cable box

    8. Re:I feel sorry for you streaming-media people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I doubt they'll straight up shut it down, they'll try to milk it for money like they are with their cable customers, offering "packages", lacing everything with hidden fees, etc. Fortunately streaming customers aren't locked in and will most likely tire of this pretty quickly and bail for other services. At which point they'll either sell off the remnants of Hulu for cash (likely scenario), or start pumping cash and shows and "features" into it in a foolhardy attempt to prop it up (one can only hope).

    9. Re:I feel sorry for you streaming-media people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      hulu will become the subscription-based and exclusive streaming home of everything comcast, nbc, universal, and (non news) fox. all can be yours for $24.99 monthly with ads - same amount of those as on television, or $39.99 without, and every bit transmitted will count against your cap.. unless you have comcast's highest-tier gig service or a top-tier and expensive wireless data plan from their exclusive wireless 'partner' (that is, unless they buy one of those, too). the available library will rotate, so you can't just binge for a month every year or two. the existing 'free' xfinity streaming site will be stripped-down to 1 previous episode, 8 days after air (so it becomes available after the next one airs, so impossible to 'catch up' if you miss it, without going out of order - unless you pay to subscribe to hulu for the entire current season). past seasons will be an extra cost. movies less than a year old or more than 6 years old will be extra cost. hd will be extra. 4k will be even more. additional simultaneous streams will cost extra. accessing from a non-comcast or non-partner network will cost extra. access via known vpn services denied. they'll still charge $10 extra for broadcast channels and $15 extra in other bogus made-up extra under-the-line charges. a three year commitment required with no guarantee of a price freeze for its duration.

    10. Re: I feel sorry for you streaming-media people by bursch-X · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This!
      I hate to quote Steve Jobs, but when he launched the iTunes Music Store he said the way to compete with piracy is to offer a service that is easier and better than Snapster, or at least easy and good enough that people think it's worth paying for, and I think he hit the nail on the head.

      Let that be a warning that if offers start to suck again, we'll easily revert back to torrenting, if you don't make it worthwhile.

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    11. Re:I feel sorry for you streaming-media people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Let's not forget that, after three months, the $39.99 for no ads will start to show some ads. Not as many as the $24.99 package, mind you.

    12. Re:I feel sorry for you streaming-media people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Posting AC to preserve moderation but I'm a cord-cutter and extremely happy with my choice.

      I've saved thousands of dollars and there's more than enough for me to watch on Netflix and I also have access to Amazon Prime just in case I ever finish watching everything I want on Netflix.

      IIRC, Hulu used to have a free version but you had to endure ads. My understanding is they started putting ads in the subscription version too and then got rid of the free Hulu altogether. I'm uncertain if there are ads now or not.

      I also despise Comcast enough that I avoid anything they have an ownership stake in, which would include Hulu as it is today.

    13. Re:I feel sorry for you streaming-media people by jwhyche · · Score: 2

      Sounds like a good excuse to cut Hulu lose.

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    14. Re:I feel sorry for you streaming-media people by wardrich86 · · Score: 1

      It won't be an issue until they try to ramp up the cost of Hulu, then people will ditch it and go back to pirating.

    15. Re: I feel sorry for you streaming-media people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Will you really "easily revert back to torrenting"? Don't you remember the straw that broke the camel's back that prompted the former FCC to adopt net neutrality rules? It was Comcast injecting bogus "no one's here" responses into BitTorrent transfers, "to deter piracy." I remember, because my torrent downloads of Linux distros suddenly began taking 24 hours instead of the usual 10 or 15 minutes. And the new FCC's repeal of net neutrality regs is scheduled to take effect next month. The Senate barely passed a Congressional Review Act vote to block the repealer, but it has yet to go through the House, and congressmen are a lot cheaper and easier for Big Telecom to buy than senators are. (Plus, who knows what Trump will do with the bill if and when it reaches his desk?) Long story short, I wouldn't necessarily count on being able to "easily revert back to torrenting."

    16. Re:I feel sorry for you streaming-media people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      which is why the headline and summary say it will give Comcast majority control over hulu

    17. Re:I feel sorry for you streaming-media people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, If Comcast get's it's claws into Hulu, Hulu dies. You'll have to pay 70$/mo to watch anything on it.

    18. Re:I feel sorry for you streaming-media people by torkus · · Score: 1

      You do realize what a controlling majority means though...right?

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  3. Whelp. We're boned! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bite my shiny metal ass Comcast.

    1. Re:Whelp. We're boned! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, fucktard. Learn to English. You omitted a necessary comma. That should say:

      Bit my shiny metal ass, Comcast.

    2. Re:Whelp. We're boned! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      is it wrong that I read that in the voice of Bender from Futurama?

    3. Re: Whelp. We're boned! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, fucktard. Learn to (write in) English. You omitted necessary words.

      Also, you spelled bite wrong.

  4. Hulu is up for grabs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FWIW, whoever wins the deal will have majority control over Hulu. Fox, Disney, and Comcast each own an equal stake in Hulu.

    1. Re:Hulu is up for grabs by AvitarX · · Score: 3, Interesting

      With that in mind, Disney would be a fool not to match/beat Comcast.

      Get the X-Men back into the Marvel fold, and have a platform for their streaming service.

      With Disney, Hulu would be super relevant to families with children, and likely eat into Netflix/have more double purchases. They also would have a lot of power over Comcast if they have another way to monitize casual watching of their content.

      As a Hulu subscriber, I'd also rather Disney than Comcast (don't want either), as Disney has a vested interest in not being beholden to Comcast for the "channel flip" dollars.

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    2. Re:Hulu is up for grabs by CrashNBrn · · Score: 1

      Disney doesn't need Hulu, they already have a platform for their streaming service,

      Disney Acquires Majority Ownership of BAMTech

      The Walt Disney Company (NYSE: DIS) today announced that it has agreed to acquire majority ownership of BAMTech, LLC and will launch its ESPN-branded multi-sport video streaming service in early 2018, followed by a new Disney-branded direct-to-consumer streaming service in 2019.

  5. Trump 2020 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Comcast and Fox are the future of media under our glorious president Trump! It's going to finally be GREAT being an American again. Trump 2020!

  6. Comcast own 90% Regional Networks no way! by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Comcast own 90% Regional Networks no way!

  7. If this happens then the ATT / timewarner deal nee by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    If this happens then the ATT / timewarner deal needs to happen as well.

  8. Dear Comcast by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    Please make Hulu available in Canada.

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  9. Uh-Uh! Comcast OWNS NBC and Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hates NBC!

    ketchup: conspire

  10. Prediction by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 1

    Comcast over-leverages itself with debt trying to get the money for this "all cash offer" and then fails to do anything successful with the pieces (e.g. under their control X-men ends up being Dark Universe 2) and eventually ends up having to sell it to Disney anyways at a huge net loss.

    1. Re:Prediction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or, pretends to bomb to use as an excuse to raise rates since most of their customers really don't have a choice when it comes to service and they took direct control over the second largest pay online streaming service on top of getting ahold of Fox News, the biggest televised tabloid magazine in the nation.

    2. Re:Prediction by slaker · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Marvel's license deal for its properties is actually non-transferable. If Fox is sold to some other party, the agreement that gave Fox rights to stuff like X-men and Deadpool is voided. Those rights will be returned to Disney/Marvel regardless. I'm sure there will be legal wrangling over it but as I understand it, that happens regardless of any other deal.

      But will Comcast be a decent steward of other Fox IPs like the Simpsons or Avatar? I sincerely doubt it. Look what it did with the Universal Monsters.

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    3. Re:Prediction by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Can't Fox the entity still exist?

      Fox spins off a second company

      Comcast buys the original, but keeps it as a separate entity (keeps the shares as existing, not giving a portion of Comcast shares to the company's shareholders)

      21st Century Fox still owns X-men

      It's likely why the deal is structured that way even.

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    4. Re:Prediction by Dynedain · · Score: 2

      Non-transferable means that Fox can't sell the rights to someone else. Whatever business unit owns the rights can be bought and sold wholesale however without negating the licensing rights. Fox can be sold with the rights can go with Fox in the sale. Rupert Murdoch isn't the license holder, some random business unit within 21st Century Fox is the license holder.

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  11. Concasts monthly Hulu pricing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    $500 initialization fee, $29.95/month for SD stream, $49.95/month for HD stream, Add'l $19.95 per Gb if you go over 50Gb of shows per month, $25 in fees and taxes, and $1000 Hulu cancellation fee if you're not happy.

  12. This will be really bad for all involved parties by stikves · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If I read correctly that do not actually have the *cash* to pay for this takeover, but will finance the operation. Given how recently ToysRUs had a very slow and painful death due to a similar leveraged buyout, I do not expect this one to go well either.

    According to their financials, Fox made ~3bn last year in profits:
    https://finance.yahoo.com/quot...

    This means it will take 20 years for them to pay off the 60bn debt. This assumes no investment in R&D, staff, or paying dividends. (That is why ToysRUs become unable to compete, they had no profit margin left after payments).

    Comcast is in a better position with 20bn in profits:
    https://finance.yahoo.com/quot...

    However will they skim from shareholder dividends to pay for Fox operations? It looks like they are already down by about 2%, meaning the idea is not liked on the market.

    And this is before anything about the customers. They would want to milk every *value* out of current customers, meaning worse service and/or higher prices across the board.

    I do not have any shares in any of these companies, however if I had one, I would have voted against such a merger. (for clarification, I'm no financial expert, this is my personal opinion, don't act on it)

  13. I hope to shit... by Chas · · Score: 1

    That Comcast doesn't fuck up the reversion of Marvel properties to Marvel/Disney.

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    1. Re:I hope to shit... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Tonight, on a very special episode of The Mindy Project, Mindy Kaling tricks Black Panther into accompanying her on a dinner date.

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    2. Re:I hope to shit... by negRo_slim · · Score: 1

      Why care at all about megacorps and their cookie cutter cape shit? It's all garbage.

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    3. Re:I hope to shit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they why are you commenting on this?

  14. Comcast reaches monopoly status. Awesome. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Comcast reaches monopoly status. Awesome.

  15. Jokes on you, we have Net Neutrality to protect us by goombah99 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Good thing we have net neutrality or this would be a major problem. Whew! crisis avoided!

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  16. Re:This will be really bad for all involved partie by AvitarX · · Score: 1

    I don't think Comcast really knows how to run a film studio either, which means there likely won't be many synergies.

    I think it's defenive though, they don't want Disney to have Hulu and use it for Disney streaming. It would really weakened them vs Disney if Disney had a content distribution network and decent streaming service (Hulu is worse than Netflix, but better than. HBO in the quality of the app IMO, and Mike's above other random streaming services).

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  17. Who cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All of these companies are so far gone anyway, and all their properties are such garbage, it doesn't even matter.

  18. Re:Jokes on you, we have Net Neutrality to protect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good thing we have net neutrality or this would be a major problem. Whew! crisis avoided!

    I'm assuming this is mostly sarcasm, but either way, even with the victory in the senate, its likely to die in the house, and even if it didn't die in the house, well I'm assuming Trump would veto it, and even if he didn't, most likely, those in charge will just ignore violations, to the extent they can.

    For now network neutrality is either dead or nearly dead. Might change in 2020, or possibly after the midterms. We shall see.

  19. We will only have one or two media companies soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You think Copyright lengths are bad now. Expect to pay by the second for all media, and you will have no rights at all. We need to break these companies up, not let them keep merging into one blob.

  20. Re: This will be really bad for all involved parti by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oi i know its hard to keep track of all these mega mergers but comcast swallowed NBC/Universal years ago which is also how they came into owning 30% of Hulu. As much as hating them is fun NBC studios and Universal have plenty of size and experience to make it.

  21. Good. I am glad by youngone · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is a very good thing for Americans because choice is confusing and just makes people angry.
    This is another step towards that glorious future when there is one business in every market so Americans don't have to spend their valuable time trying to decide what to buy.
    Merge the banks next.

    1. Re:Good. I am glad by crtreece · · Score: 1

      that glorious future when there is one business so Americans don't have to spend their valuable time trying to decide what to buy.

      FTFY.

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    2. Re:Good. I am glad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The banks ARE merging.

      captcha: violence

  22. negative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    cable cos should not be able to buy content creators, or be permitted to create content. thats a conflict of interest.

  23. crocodile tears by swell · · Score: 1

    As much as the industry whines and complains about their losses to piracy, you'd think they'd be glad to dump these money losers. Yet their value skyrockets along with the monopoly that only benefits industry insiders. And yes, they're pushing again to extend their exclusive copyright holdings for many more years.

    This industry should be investigated as a criminal cartel.

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  24. Re: This will be really bad for all involved parti by AvitarX · · Score: 1

    Thanks, it made sense NBC would have a studio, but I couldn't think of one.

    Should have googled instead of weasel words I guess.

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  25. Iâ(TM)m so old by bursch-X · · Score: 1

    This is the first time I noticed that theyâ(TM)re not 20th Century Fox anymore...

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  26. Bad Deal For Public by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We do not need the elimination of competition by purchasing competitors. We will simply get less and be forced to pay more. Maybe Congress or the courts will help us.

  27. hah its about tax... by johnjones · · Score: 1

    realistically Murdoch has to figure out how much tax he will pay

    There is lots of tax in a cash deal so the bid has to be much higher

  28. Re:If this happens then the ATT / timewarner deal by mentil · · Score: 1

    Incidentally, TFA says they'll only attempt to proceed with this IF the ATT/time warner deal is approved. If it's not, then Disney's current offer will likely stand.

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  29. Will this deal go through? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its going to give Comcast a big advantage over content if this would go through. I have my doubts that the government would not see this as a unfair marketing advantage.

  30. Re:This will be really bad for all involved partie by houghi · · Score: 2

    So you say this will break the company? I fail to see the "bad" part you talk about in your subject.

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  31. What about NBC? by Tifer · · Score: 1

    Remember: Comcast owns NBC. It'll be fun when they also own Fox.

  32. ISP Conflict of interest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is fine but they should be forced to break off their ISP business.

  33. Should change name to... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    C'hulhu... A Comcast company.