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First Cuba, Now China? A Worker In US Embassy In China Experienced 'Abnormal' Sounds, Brain Damage (reuters.com)

amxcoder writes: An American citizen working at a U.S. consulate located in the Chinese city of Guangzhou has reported experiencing "abnormal" sounds (and pressures) for the past several months, starting in late 2017 until April of 2018. Upon medical evaluation, the worker has been diagnosed with mild traumatic brain injury symptoms. The U.S. embassy is conducting an investigation into the issue, and is issuing warnings to all U.S. citizens in China. The symptoms and several other similarities has drawn comparison to a similar event last year in a different U.S. embassy in Cuba. Officials can not link the two events together at this point, but the U.S. State Department is working with Chinese authorities to investigate the issue further. As a result of the Cuba acoustic "attacks," the U.S. government in October expelled 15 Cuban diplomats from the U.S. for what it said was Cuba's failure to protect staff at the U.S. embassy in Havana. Staff there reported symptoms including hearing loss, dizziness, fatigue, and cognitive issues. Canadian personnel also reported similar health symptoms.

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  1. Still need to take this with skepticism by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The embassy in Cuba was renovated in the '70's and has ultrasonic alarms of that vintage. The sound of more than one of them intermodulating with each other (a harmless effect) would be exactly as reported.

    The problem with these reports is that the U.S. has been intensively monitoring for various forms of sound, radio waves, radiation, etc. since the Great Seal Bug. And you've got to be skeptical about anything that all of the intelligence and military agencies of the great and powerful USA can't detect.

    1. Re:Still need to take this with skepticism by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So, you think because their own people were killed, they have an interest in blaming it on Russia - which has a 400 year history of peaceful relations with the Netherlands and much greater economic significance for trade - rather than little Ukraine? It doesan't make sense.

    2. Re: Still need to take this with skepticism by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 3, Informative

      The difference would be audible at 5 kHz. Modulation of one signal with another? Remember the inverse square law. The strongest combination of the two signals is between them, not at the transducers. Where sum (too high to be audible) and difference would be the strongest signals after the fundamentals (also too high to be audible). Air and the ear are sufficiently nonlinear.

  2. Common Factor: US Embassy by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It seems to me that the common factor is that they work at a US Embassy. Presumably, these are stocked with a variety of high tech equipment both to enable and prevent spying. Is it possible that there is some undesirable interaction of this equipment? The alternative, that someone is targetting US officials in disparate parts of the world with a bizarre ultrasonic non-lethal weapon seems somewhat less likely in the absence of any evidence for either scenario.

    1. Re: Common Factor: US Embassy by guruevi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Could also be a case of mass psychosis. When you have hundreds of workers and you start warning them both internal and give credence through the media, you get these sort of results. Anticebo effect.

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  3. Russia did not shoot down MH17 by willy_me · · Score: 4, Informative

    Russia did not pull the trigger - they gave a powerful weapon to untrained rebels who did pull the trigger. The distinction is minor - but relevant.

    If Russia was operating the AA missiles MH17 would probably be intact. The Russian military is well trained and would verify the identity of a plane before firing. The rebels - not so much. Giving AA missiles to the rebels is like giving a BB gun to a 10 year old --- do not be surprised when you find a pile of dead birds with BB shaped holes in them.

    After MH17 was brought down, the AA missiles were withdrawn back to Russia. This is a sign that Russia is embarrassed by what happened and was taking steps to prevent it from happening again. Too little too late... After this there was an increase in Russian military activity - probably due to the fact they could not trust the rebels to do the job for them.

    So Russia is to blame but they did not pull the trigger. Giving the AA missiles to the rebels was probably a political decision that had nothing to do with the military. I imagine that, at the time, the Russian generals did not approve of the decision and were probably not surprised by the result.

    And a note regarding Russians looting the victims --- it did not happen. The looting was from the local rebels. Basically gangs of undisciplined assholes tasked with driving out anyone who did not speak Russian. Once again, the Russians facilitated this behavior and are partially responsible, but they did not do it.

    1. Re: Russia did not shoot down MH17 by Type44Q · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Russian military is well trained and would verify the identity of a plane before firing.

      Actually, yes, they would.

    2. Re:Russia did not shoot down MH17 by willy_me · · Score: 3, Informative

      And an intercepted recording of the incident...

      CNN

      It could have been faked, but unlikely. Most of the Ukrainian assertions claim that Russia was more directly involved. It is doubtful they would fake a recording that counters their assertions.