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Are Google's Cat-Loving Employees Killing Burrowing Owls? (seattletimes.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Google's employees started a group called GCat Rescue that traps feral cats and puts them up for adoption. (Though "less-friendly adult cats are neutered and released... The cats that are released are implanted with tracking chips, and an ear is notched so they can be identified.") A public records request discovered that city employees kept catching the Google-chipped cats in a nearby wildlife and recreation area that was home to the very last 50 burrowing owls in Silicon Valley — which California has officially designated a species of "special concern". Someone had apparently even installed a cat-feeding station next to a designated owl-nesting area.

The local Audubon Society has been asking Google to review their cat-feeding stations since 2012, but environmental groups told the Times Google was "consistenty unhelpful" on the cat issue. "They told us it was something their employees were doing and they couldn't interfere," said a board member with a group trying to protect the San Francisco Bay National Wildlife Refuge. "One of the cats was trapped, turned over to the Silicon Valley Animal Control Authority, released to Google, trapped again in the park and released again to Google," the Times reports, adding that "In August, it was found dead in the park."

"Like so many stories these days about Big Tech, this is a tale about how attempts to do good often produce unexpected consequences, and how even smart people (especially, perhaps, smart people) can be reluctant to rethink their convictions."

The Times reports that a "final victory is at hand" for the cats, since last year was the first time in 20 years that no owl fledglings were observed in the park -- though "as recently as 2011, there were 10." But the number of cat sightings was 318.

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  1. Flamebait by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is the biggest flamebait article I've seen in a long time, and I blame Trump. Not only does it have cute little furry animals, it simultaneously calls Google employees geniuses and really dumb. It makes environmentalists mad, but also people who hate the environment (and kill cats).

    It's probably all because of Hillary.

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    1. Re:Flamebait by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2

      Not only does it have cute little furry animals, it simultaneously calls Google employees geniuses and really dumb. It makes environmentalists mad, but also people who hate the environment (and kill cats).

      Now we see the real power behind the Google Reich:

      Does your cat look like Adolf Hitler? Do you wake up in a cold sweat every night wondering if he's going to up and invade Poland? Does he keep putting his right paw in the air while making a noise that sounds suspiciously like "Sieg Miaow"? If so, this is the website for you:

      http://www.catsthatlooklikehit...

      The sooner this thread gets Godwined, the better!

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    2. Re:Flamebait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Somebody is just looking for ways to complain about Google. I am no fan of their stances on privacy but this is a bit ridiculous. These people from Google are clearly *reducing* the number of cats running around outside and killing the owls, by neutering them and putting some of them in people's houses. The entire complaint seems to be that they aren't killing the cats they can't find homes for.

      And one of the bits left out of the summary that does not agree with the summarizer's angle at all: "Environmental groups said Google was generally an excellent partner and had made aggressive efforts to support the burrowing owls"

    3. Re:Flamebait by zippthorne · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The question is where the feral cats are acquired and the where they're released. They can be reducing the overall number of feral cats while still irresponsibly increasing the concentration in "this nice park that's way better place to live than the street" which they happen to not realize or care is home to the protected owl species.

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    4. Re:Flamebait by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 2

      So, no they're not a protected species but they are part of the ecosystem. Also, I am a cat fan but I think we should try all alternatives before killing any living thing and think about the repercussions.

      Not really, they are a non-native species introduced not an ecosystem. Where I live, about once a month we have signs "Lost Cat," a post about how someone's cat got snatched from the backyard at night, got attacked by a big dog or feral cat, or to please be careful driving because a cat got hit. Natural selection has taken care of the feral cat problem in our neighborhood. If you value your pet don't let it roam freely where it is exposed to dangers it may not even realize exist.

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  2. Traps, fines, abolish the stations by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I love cats. I have 3, Iâ(TM)ve paid thousands of dollars to keep them healthy and happy, I took time off to take one of my older cats to a veterinary oncologist when she had cancer. Iâ(TM)m 100% a cat person.

    But I keep my cats inside my apartment. Theyâ(TM)re efficient murderers and itâ(TM)s wholly irresponsible to let your cats roam, both for their health and the health of the wildlife and environment.

    The roaming cats should be trapped. If they belong to someone, huge punitive fines should be levied. The feeding stations should be removed. All the trapped cats should be spayed or neutered.

    Why does nobody there seem to have any conscience or regard for the rest of the world?

    1. Re:Traps, fines, abolish the stations by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The feeding stations should be removed.

      Which would make the cats even more dangerous to local wildlife. While cats do hunt when well-fed, they hunt even more when they need to hunt to eat.

      All the trapped cats should be spayed or neutered.

      Pretty sure even TFS mentioned that the cats were spayed or neutered.

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    2. Re:Traps, fines, abolish the stations by drnb · · Score: 2

      The feeding stations should be removed.

      Which would make the cats even more dangerous to local wildlife. While cats do hunt when well-fed, they hunt even more when they need to hunt to eat.

      When presented with live prey and hard dry and crunchy pet food at a feeder the feral cats will prefer the live prey. Well fed housecats eating meaty canned food will kill birds and other prey instinctively on sight and opportunity, and then sometimes drag the carcases into the house to show you.

      The larger point you are missing is the location of the feeders. If your logic were true they are drawing feral cats towards the burrowing owls, not away from them. The feeders need to move out of the owl habitat.

  3. Point the finger correctly by markdavis · · Score: 4, Informative

    People blaming Google in this case are just plain stupid. The finger should be pointed at all the horrible pet owners that don't neuter their pets and then allow those un-neutered pets to escape to the "wild". It also looks like this is a group of Google's employees, which doesn't mean "Google". Finally, these volunteers are doing exactly the best possible thing- capturing and neutering them all and trying to home those cats they can. The problems will quickly diminish over just one generation.

    1. Re:Point the finger correctly by markdavis · · Score: 2

      Sorry, but

      1) It is not up to an employer to control their employee's extra-work life. THAT is evil.

      2) Discriminating against employees or potential employees for performing such volunteer is insane. THAT is also evil.

      3) Gun arguments have nothing to do with this thread. If you wanted to go down such a crazy path, an equivalent would be Google holding back services to CUSTOMERS for something they don't "like".

    2. Re:Point the finger correctly by markdavis · · Score: 2

      >"No, the best possible thing would be to have the cats that can't be given homes euthanized."

      To many people, me included, killing the cats is not the best thing at all. The best possible thing would be to ALSO protect the owls, by taking steps to protect them- like moving the feeding stations away from nesting sites, putting up deterrents, etc.

    3. Re:Point the finger correctly by careysub · · Score: 2

      "There is an excess of feral cats in the US, and even domesticated cats SIMPLY ENJOY KILLING THINGS. They're *cats*. That's what they do.

      As a cat owner for many years I emphasize the accuracy of this remark. The Felidae are the most successful predator family on Earth, they are the top predators on every continent on which they are found (and haven't been hunted to extinction as the American Lion was). Those adorable behaviors of house cats are adaptations to hunting - "playing" with small things, their ability to site motionless but alert for hours, pouncing etc.

      We had rodent invasion problems constantly in our present house until we got three house cats (adopted young feral cats), but once we got the cats, rodent problems promptly vanished and have never recurred.

      Our cats never go outside. And they like it that way now. And indoor cats live longer.

      And yes, I support controlling feral cat populations to protect wildlife. It is a necessity. They are just too efficient as killers.

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    4. Re:Point the finger correctly by DogDude · · Score: 2

      Finally, these volunteers are doing exactly the best possible thing- capturing and neutering them all and trying to home those cats they can. The problems will quickly diminish over just one generation.

      That's not true. The un-fixed cats will continue to breed. The correct thing to do is to trap, spay/neuter, and release. Cats are territorial, and if there are fixed cats in a particular territory, the un-fixed cats won't live and breed there. People who specialize in fighting pet overpopulation have been doing this method for a long time now, and it works.

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    5. Re:Point the finger correctly by markdavis · · Score: 2

      >"That's not true"..."The correct thing to do is to trap, spay/neuter, and release."

      ??? That is exactly what they are doing (by the way it is "castrate/spay", "neutering" is not sex specific, it is the removal of either male or female sex organs). They are trapping and neutering and trying to re-home them and marking and releasing those that can't be re-homed. And that will, indeed, help to end the problem because neutered cats cannot breed.

      So what exactly is "untrue" that you are siting? It sounds like you are actually agreeing with me and with what the volunteers are doing...

    6. Re:Point the finger correctly by markdavis · · Score: 2

      >"Removing them from the environment doesn't help. They need to be trapped, fixed, and re-released."

      That is what they are doing. That is what I said.

  4. It's about 100 cats by findoutmoretoday · · Score: 4, Informative

    " To date, GCat has rescued, fostered and homed over 100 adoptable cats and kittens."

  5. Employees drawing cats to owl habitat with feeders by drnb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The entire complaint seems to be that they aren't killing the cats they can't find homes for.

    I guess you missed the part about putting cat feeders in a refuge, in burrowing owl habitat, even near the burrowing owl feeders. That increases the danger to the owls by drawing cats to that area. If feeders are used they should be drawing cat away from burrowing owls, not towards them. When presented with the option of live prey or hard dry and crunchy pet food what do you think the feral cats released will go for?

    Keep the cat feeders on campus, don't put them in a wildlife refuge.

  6. Re:Employees drawing cats to owl habitat with feed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... the feral cats released, will go for?

    First, cats like all predators, get bored with dry food. Second, cats aren't like dogs; they won't chase a ball or shred a towel. The need to stick themselves (via fish-hook claws) to a much smaller animal and bite it to death, doesn't sublimate. Well-fed cats kill for the sport. Loved cats tend to stick to mice and rats. Abandoned and feral cats will kill whatever animal is closest. Once they've got that habit, they never lose it.

  7. Re:Employees drawing cats to owl habitat with feed by sg_oneill · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Cats can be taught. My cat is a hunter, but always brings me her catch for approval. So I started rewarding her if she brought a mice, rat or pigeon (pest species around here), and locking her in the bathroom for an hour if she killed anything else. She stopped catching the mudlarks and wrens and now they thrive around the yard and she just ignores them, while going full terminator on any pigeon or mouse that lucks out and enters the yard.

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