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Invisible Scum on Sea Cuts CO2 Exchange With Air 'By Up To 50%' (theguardian.com)

An invisible layer of scum on the sea surface can reduce carbon dioxide exchange between the atmosphere and the oceans by up to 50%, scientists have discovered. From a report: Researchers from Heriot-Watt, Newcastle and Exeter universities say the findings, published in the journal Nature Geoscience on Monday, have major implications for predicting our future climate. The world's oceans absorb around a quarter of all man-made carbon dioxide emissions, making them the largest long-term sink of carbon on Earth. Greater sea turbulence increases gas exchange between the atmosphere and oceans and until now it was difficult to calculate the effect of "biological surfactants." Teams from the Natural Environment Research Council, the Leverhulme Trust and the European Space Agency developed a system that compares "the surfactant effect" between different seawaters in real time. They found surfactants can reduce carbon dioxide exchange by up to 50%.

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  1. This does nothing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    As the world continues to heat and the subocean deposits of methane start flowing, 50% reduction in local surface reactions is not going to mean squat. This is a bandaid on an aneurysm. Even conceptually it is unpromising.
    Reducing emissions is the obvious solution that we spend so much time effort and brainpower avoiding, because as a terraforming species we are lazy and deserve extinction. It's too bad higher order fauna on Earth goes with us.
    Really it's just the coal-fired intellects of the GOP and their Chinese counterparts that deserve to be doomed to extinction in their own filth. The rest of us are roped along by the economics of the past. Humanity fails traditionally.

    1. Re:This does nothing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You're obviously not a scientist but a denialist moron. The Sun does not entirely control all climate variations on Earth, nor the amount of insulating gasses in the atmosphere that humans deposit there. (You're one of those deserving it.)

    2. Re:This does nothing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Climate cycles are controlled by the Sun and we're at the beginning of a cooling cycle. All the farting in the world is not going to change that.

      Sorry to respond to myself .....

      I have done extensive - extensive - research on Fox News and listen to every political talk radio show host. They all know better than ANY Climate so-called "scientist". We all know that Sean Hannity knows more than ANYBODY!

      Why just the other day it RAINED where I live! It wouldn't have RAINED in Spring if Global Warming were true! Global Warming says that I'd be living in a dessert now! With chocolate and whipped cream!

      I'm done with you Liberal Snowflakes who get your "facts" out of your ass! I have to do research on this "Stormy Daniels" person that all the Liberal Lamestream media is harping about. And run out and get another box of tissues because of my allergies.

    3. Re:This does nothing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You mean as the temperature at night drops when the big Mr. Fusion In The Sky is no longer visible? You mean that temperature change?

    4. Re:This does nothing. by CaptainDork · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You have some good points but have missed an obvious one:

      "They," are "us."

      The driver behind shitting in our mess kit is shareholder greed .

      We want asymptotic stock gains over nanosecond time frames.

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      It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
    5. Re:This does nothing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This is a bandaid on an aneurysm. Even conceptually it is unpromising.

      Holy fuck, how did this get marked as insightful?

      NOBODY is proposing this as a solution to anything. They are saying it is a real phenomena, which is happening right now, which changes some of our understanding of the mechanisms at play.

      They're not saying "hey, let's spread this around to solve that other problem". They're saying "OK, this is happening, we've not identified it before".

      This isn't "conceptually unpromising", because it's not a fucking concept, it's a real measurable thing which is newly measured.

    6. Re:This does nothing. by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      As the world continues to heat and the subocean deposits of methane start flowing,

      Scientific consensus is that will not happen.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    7. Re:This does nothing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why does it drop more in the desert? Why does it drop more in winter than summer? Does space know how much infrared energy to absorb depending on the orbital position of the Earth around the Sun?

    8. Re: This does nothing. by q_e_t · · Score: 1

      We're allowed those, just not plastic ones.

    9. Re: This does nothing. by OneAhead · · Score: 1

      A strawman argument consists of painting the opponent's views as different - commonly more extreme - than they actually are. I think GP's obvious parody is pretty much equally extreme as GGP's ignorant, long-debunked talking points. If you're going to yawn at something, yawn at those.

    10. Re: This does nothing. by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      That is more Satire with hyperbole then a Straw Man argument.
      Sadly enough the degree of the hyperbole is much less in today then it really should be.

      Politically I would much rather see debate on how to deal with climate change and at what degrees from our leaders and the media vs them just denying it all together.

      If climate change is some grand conspiracy, I really don't get the final outcome it is meant to achieve. General Air Quality pollution would be an easier sell to try to "have government take over private industry" as smog, can be seen and smelled.

      However denying climate change and trying to discredit the science is a way to ignore the problem, so not to waste time and money to fix the problem.

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      If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
    11. Re: This does nothing. by shaitand · · Score: 1

      " I really don't get the final outcome it is meant to achieve."

      That's easy, funding for climatologists and environmental related organizations. I'm not saying there is no climate change but remember, climate science has been predicting disaster after disaster from all sorts of things since the 70's and none of these disasters have come to pass. When it comes to our climate and environment there is as much doom and gloom being peddled all the time as from televangelists.

      Not all science is equal, there are certain areas where there is more bias and political influence at play than others.

    12. Re:This does nothing. by shaitand · · Score: 1

      Not quite, as a company goes public or goes through its rounds of capital venture the executive leadership gets replaced with people from the ranks of the upper class.

    13. Re:This does nothing. by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

      You must be mistaking pro-Constitution people with Antifa and other utopian socialists,

      The second amendment is for self protection; to not be helpless is the face of tyranny. It has never been for the the annihilation of those you disagree with. Most 2nd Amendment folks are very strong proponents of the First Amendment - something that Antifa and their whiny supporters abhor.

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      Vote 3rd Party in 2016 and beyond
    14. Re:This does nothing. by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      So, "exactly."

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      It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
  2. Before now... by thatseattleguy · · Score: 5, Funny
    Before now, we thought the only type of scum causing rising CO2 levels was located in Washington DC.

    Yea science!

    1. Re:Before now... by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Nope! Trump thought he could "drain the swamp". What that fool didn't realize was that the "swamp" was really a giant fucking OCEAN! Good luck draining that!

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      Life is not for the lazy.
  3. Solution is easy... by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

    The solution is easy. We just need to install an air pump with a bubbler in the ocean to cause surface disturbance and aid gas exchange. That's what I do in my non-planted aquariums.

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    "That's the way to do it" - Punch
  4. Ocean acidification by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    So is ocean acidification not a bad thing anymore? Sounds like they stumbled upon a beneficial side effect of pollution for a change.

    1. Re:Ocean acidification by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      So is ocean acidification not a bad thing anymore? Sounds like they stumbled upon a beneficial side effect of pollution for a change.

      Kind of like how global dimming in the 70's and 80's was having a minimal effect on keeping global warming down. Once we started controlling certain dark pollutants, such as soot down, dimming reversed and might have added a little to global warming.

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      "That's the way to do it" - Punch
    2. Re:Ocean acidification by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      Sounds like they stumbled upon a beneficial side effect of pollution for a change.

      Maybe. If the oceans take up less CO2, the concentration in the atmosphere will accelerate. Less acidification, but more warming.

    3. Re:Ocean acidification by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      It was not soot, it was sulfure oxides.

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      Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
  5. Scum of the earth... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Hmm, global warming is due to the scum of the earth - so it is all Hillary's fault.

  6. LET THEM BREATH BITCOIN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    A partially visible layer of libertarian scum will now cover this thread.

    - AC

  7. Okay by DaMattster · · Score: 1

    But this invisible scum may actually deoxygenate the water, killing off the fish life.

    1. Re:Okay by jtgd · · Score: 1

      True. I expect "exchange" means both CO2 and O2.

      But you're forgetting that we've over-fished the ocean into extinction.

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  8. Scum is natural by FeelGood314 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This isn't a problem. The scum is biological. Further it is slowing the rate of change by 50%. The oceans and the atmosphere will still reach the same equilibrium given time. Also we don't want more CO2 in the oceans. It causes acidification and messes with all kinds of ocean life. You could debate where it does more harm, atmosphere or ocean, but ideally we don't want more in either place.

  9. Equilibrium by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If the global ocean were to come to equilibrium with the atmosphere, exchange rate would only hasten or slow the time it takes to get to equilibrium. While I doubt there is a "scum" on a significant area of the ocean's surface which drastically changes exchange, its effect would be temporary. Unless the ocean (or atmosphere) is involved in other (significant) exchanges. I guess this article must factor in things such as (fresh) water "exchange" and CO2 exchange with the silt/mud/floor. Only if one of these other two is at about the same rate will changing rate by 50% matter. In my ignorance, I doubt that they are that large, but I really have no basis for that wild assed guess.

  10. Fake news. Science is settled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    There can be no further climate research of any sort. We already knew everything many years ago. Thatâ(TM)s whatâ(TM)s science is settled means. We know everything. Nothing left to discover. Fake news. Move along. Nothing to see here.

  11. Lake Nyos lessons by technosaurus · · Score: 3, Informative

    Deep water stores more CO2 due to its higher pressure, but natural events can cause overturn. I'm not sure any climate models account for that. A major storm, earthquake or landslide could break up the layer while bringing the high concentrations of CO2 (and other gases) to the surface to effervesce. This could explains some of the unexplained coastal die offs. The events at Lake Nyos killed hundreds of people.

    1. Re:Lake Nyos lessons by shaitand · · Score: 1

      Sure but it is quite possible that overpopulation is a pressure resulting in increased rates of sexual preference that is incompatible with producing offspring. There are mechanisms known to alter similar things in plants.

    2. Re:Lake Nyos lessons by GonzoPhysicist · · Score: 1

      Much of the dissolved O2 in the ocean is put there from photosynthesizers, not just from the atmosphere. In fact you often get areas of super-saturated (partial pressure of O2 higher than the atmosphere) water from high primary productivity.

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  12. Dangerous by JimSadler · · Score: 1

    What effect does this chemical have on various forms of sea life? If CO2 is trapped in the ocean wouldn't that cause the oceans to be more acidic?

  13. Re:DRAIN THE DRUMPF! by phantomfive · · Score: 2

    If you saw the senate hearings on climate change

    Senate hearings are a stage, not science.

    The Dems did not like to listen to this science and brought their own science with them.

    Do you understand that both Dems and Reps only chose scientists who would say things they already like? They would be fools to do otherwise, because that would make them look bad on a stage.

    Because I don't post left all my comments get modded down, bye bye Karma.

    It's not because you don't post left, it's because you post clearly on the right. That is, you mold your opinion largely to match the party.

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    "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
  14. But wait Re: This does nothing. by stinkyjak · · Score: 1

    What about non-manmade emmision?

  15. Scum Suckers by Doctrinsograce · · Score: 1

    We need aquatic scum sucking pigs!

  16. You're nothing but a goddamn liar. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Everything you said is BS and you know it making you a liar.

    The disasters are predicted to happen towards the end of this century. So, of course they didn't happen.

    And ALL of the near terms predictions have come true. The biggest one is the melting of the Arctic ice allowing ships through.

    And *whoosh* in one ear out the other. Because you want to believe this all some sort of BS and it's not that bad so you can live your pathetic little life being a good consumer and ruining this planet for future generations.

    That's easy, funding for climatologists and environmental related organizations.

    What a load of horseshit. And you know it and that makes you a liar.

  17. Re:DRAIN THE DRUMPF! by phantomfive · · Score: 1

    ok, best of luck to you.

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    "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."