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Walmart Offers To Foot College Tuition Bills for US Employees (bloomberg.com)

Walmart will begin offering to subsidize college tuition for its 1.5 million workers in the United States, joining a growing list of companies that are helping employees pay for higher education as a perk in a tight labor market. From a report: The retailer's 1.5 million employees can now pursue associate's or bachelor's degrees in business or supply-chain management at three nonprofit schools for $1 a day, according to a statement Wednesday. Walmart will subsidize tuition, books and fees and provide support with the application and enrollment processes. As many as 68,000 employees might sign up, Walmart executives estimated. "Many of our associates don't have the opportunity to complete a degree," said Drew Holler, Walmart's U.S. vice president of people innovation, in an interview. "We felt strongly that this is something that would improve their lives and help us run a better business." The tuition program -- offered to part-time staff as well as full-timers -- is the latest move by Walmart to improve employee retention and engagement. A handful of other companies, including Starbucks and Amazon, also offer tuition support.

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  1. Know what else might help? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How about paying a livable wage.

    1. Re:Know what else might help? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 2

      >> a livable wage

      Nah...I'd take a serious look at this if I was about to start college in a semi-rural community.

      I worked in a crappy health care data center for $10/hr during my first two years of college but I did it because they paid for most of my school, which boosted my real wages to closer to $20/hr (in the 1990's), or closer to $40/hr since half the time I was "working" in the data center I was actually working on homework.

      As for all the shmoes who are perfectly happy stocking shelves their whole "career": meh - here's your $10/hr.

    2. Re:Know what else might help? by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Tuition assistance is actually more affordable.

      Low Labor cost tends to go to the young where their livable wage is much cheaper ( often do not have a home or family to support)
      As employees stay at the company longer they will normally get raises (especially if they are ambitious and hardworking) There reaches a point where their work ability exceeds what Walmart can offer. So Walmart is paying more for an employee then their actual worth to the organization is.

      So Tuition assistance will attract young people trying to get a college degree, work at Walmart for 4 or 5 years graduate and move to bigger and better things.

      So they keep employees long enough for them make the company money, have them leave on their own free will once they become too expensive to keep on board.

      Walmart may not be a livable wage, however it isn't too bad for a introduction job without having any skill sets.
       

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    3. Re:Know what else might help? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Informative

      If they raise pay, much of it is taxed away by payroll taxes (SS, SSDI, unemployment tax, etc) and is taxable income for the employee. Many of Walmart's employees qualify for EITC, and higher pay will push them out of that bracket. For every dollar extra that Walmart pays, about 60 cents ends up in the employee's pocket.

      Tuition assistance avoids these problems. A dollar in is a dollar out.

    4. Re:Know what else might help? by MightyYar · · Score: 2

      Not only that, it attracts ambitious hard working people who view their unskilled Walmart position as a means to an end. That's going to be a big improvement over your current pool of employees who are there for the job itself.

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    5. Re:Know what else might help? by MightyYar · · Score: 2

      This isn't exactly an example of that. This is an example of an employer following the incentives put into place by the government.... they are doing exactly what the government incentivized them to do. Apparently the government values continuing education more than it values additional tax revenue, so that is what is happening.

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    6. Re:Know what else might help? by alvinrod · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even minimum wage labor is often a major part of expenses. Consider restaurants where employees are minimum wage or potentially below that in jurisdictions where tips can compensate for wages paid out if they're above a threshold. The leading expense for a restaurant will still be staff, and even if you include the cost of sales with expenses, the labor will be as much or more than the food in most cases. That's why there's any number of restaurants that offer $10 all-you-can-eat buffets. It's no more expensive for a restaurant to give Americans (who can shovel down enough food to make one third of the country obese) as much as they want to eat if it means they don't need to involve wait staff or servers in the transaction. The automated system to replace that human labor isn't going to get high and not show up for work either.

      Also, not all jobs can command a living wage for a given area. You make the mistake that assumes all labor is valuable. Should I be guaranteed a living wage if I want to fashion life-sized busts of president Trump from cow manure that I sell by the side of the road in western Oklahoma? You can only pay someone as much as consumers are willing to pay for their labor. If no one in western Oklahoma wants to buy a Trump dung-head, then my labor is not valuable at any price.

      Money is merely a commodity and attempts to shuffle it around do not change the underlying reality that there is a certain amount of productivity and that the relative value of any labor cannot be established by fiat. Were that the case, the Soviets would have won the cold war and many Venezuelans wouldn't be facing starvation at the current moment. If you want the most impoverished individuals to be more well off, the only effective method is to increase the overall amount of productivity and wealth in the world. They will still be about as poor relatively speaking, but they can get a tiny slice of a bigger pie. That's why it's not uncommon to see homeless people with cell phones. Productivity improvements and technological advancements have made them so ubiquitous that their within reach of almost all of society.

    7. Re:Know what else might help? by king+neckbeard · · Score: 2

      Also, not all jobs can command a living wage for a given area. You make the mistake that assumes all labor is valuable.

      On the contrary, I consider lots of labor not worth human effort. That's why we need either a reasonable living wage, or a UBI, because cheap, often subsidized, labor is a disincentive towards labor-saving innovations. Why make something efficient enough to pay a decent wage when you can throw an army of dirt-cheap labor at your problems?

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    8. Re:Know what else might help? by king+neckbeard · · Score: 2

      The difference is that Mikey here needs to feel better than someone else, so he needs to be sure that there is someone lower than him on the totem pole. Regardless of the social costs of state-subsidized wage-slaves, they allow people like Mikey to feel better than someone else, and not feel bad that they are probably being exploited as well.

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    9. Re:Know what else might help? by Dare+nMc · · Score: 2

      > Those people who want higher and higher minimum wages are supporting barriers to entry into job market.

      Is not a barrier to entry. While it does reduce the number of low paying jobs, that effect at current federal levels is minor. The last study of states that have minimum wages over the federal levels concluded a 10% increase in minimum wage, caused a 1% decrease in employment in low level jobs. It also creates a greater incentive towards productivity increases, through things like automation and training.

      This is especially important to the government, as the government supports those who cannot support themselves, as long as the % decrease in employment, is less than the % increase in wages, it saves the government more money to increase it's payments to the 1% losing their jobs, and remove payments to the other 9% who no longer need support due to having a higher wage.

  2. I had an employer do this to me by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Informative

    it was basically an backhanded way to get me into a training program for the job. The way it worked they would send me to a specialized program for some skill they wanted me to have (that had no value outside of their business). If I dropped out I was on the hook for tuition. Also I had to pay out of pocket and wait for reimbursement, which wasn't paid out until 6 months after I graduated.

    Fortunately I got out before they foisted it on me. The way it was structured I was basically paying for required training and then if they made enough money off me in 6 months I'd get it back. All the risk was on me. I'm not saying this is what it is, but it sure looks like it.

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  3. Re:That's great, but ... by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For once, TFA provides the answers:

    "offered to part-time staff as well as full-timers"..." Courses can be taken...online"...

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-30/walmart-s-tuition-play-comes-as-choosy-employees-head-for-exits

  4. This is great news! by BronsCon · · Score: 2

    Until participants get fired for having restricted availability due to the classes they're now taking.

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  5. Re:How about a living wage instead? by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 5, Interesting

    WalMart makes their entire business on low prices, at a 3% profit margin (impressive). They've said they're neutral in minimum wage; they seem to support it, some say because a higher minimum wage will crush WalMart's small competitors.

    Higher wages will inevitably lead to higher prices. It's not by much, but it's there. A $2 raise is about a 10% price increase on average--$20 pants become $22 pants--and they don't want everyone running to Target, causing loss of WalMart jobs, gain of Target jobs, and disruption for working families.

    A minimum wage increase would cause a wage increase at WalMart and Target, causing the associated price increases. Structurally, nothing changes: WalMart still has lower prices, even if those prices are slightly-higher. Any impoverished Target employees shopping at WalMart are still shopping at WalMart, are better-paid, are paid more than enough to offset the price increases themselves, and so funnel more money into WalMart (so they can keep their same profit margin without as much of a price increase). WalMart gets richer.

    It's WalMart's 3% NOP that gets me. That's insanely-low; it's impressive, to say the least. Adidas Shoes has 5%; about 8% is reasonable, just by being a common baseline; Comcast usually has 11%; and Microsoft and Apple hold above 20% NOP. I support a fair corporate income tax with a higher tax rate when the corporation's NOP is above reasonable levels; that generally means WalMart gets a tax cut and Apple gets to pay 48%. I don't honestly have a problem with this.

  6. Re:A Solution That Only In Increases the Problem by alvinrod · · Score: 2

    University education has become quite dysfunctional. There're large chunks of it that server little in the way of educational value and too many students who are either incapable of even those low bars or have no real interest in attending. It's warped into a perverse kind of monster that is incentivized to attract as many students as possible to get their loan money with no real concern for the quality of education. This has led to an adult daycare type of situation where schools will spend large sums of money on student centers, athletics, and anything else that will attract more students. All manner of useless degrees are offered, because the university doesn't care if it does students no good as long as it attracts students and their tuition payments. Worse (or better if you're the college) yet, if you give a student a useless degree, they'll eventually figure out they need to come back for even more college at some point in the future.

    We've done today's youth a massive disservice by telling them that they need a college education. If you're going to work retail for the rest of your life, a college education is useless. Similarly, too many kids overlook trade schools at the expense of chasing a four year degree. There are all together too many young people entering college at 18 that don't have any idea what they want to do with their life yet and invariable fail or drop out due to disinterest or confusion. We need to tell people that there's no shame in getting a minimum wage job and figuring out how to be an adult and what you want to do with your life before going to school. I think that message would prevent a large part of the problem.

    Removing government backed loans would probably fix the other half. When banks are on the hook, the actuaries will crunch the numbers and quickly realize that loaning $100,000 to someone for a degree in underwater basket weaving is a good investment. If rich kids want to get useless degrees on mommy and daddy's dime, that's their own business, but letting an 18 year old run up six figure debts that they can't hope to repay is just irresponsible on society's part.

  7. Re:But... they are wal-mart employees by bobbied · · Score: 2

    There is no better test for "not college bound" than becoming a Wal-Mart employee.

    Why?

    If one is wanting to go to school, why is a Wal-Mart job somehow crosswise to that goal?

    My son has a $10/hour job he's held for two years and is starting college in the fall. Where I don't expect him to work full time and be a full time student to pay his way given I have the means, he *could* easily attend college and pay for it himself working part time, at least for the first two years at the community college.

    If he can do it, I'm sure working at Wal-Mart wouldn't be that different.

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  8. Re:lots! by king+neckbeard · · Score: 2

    We also need to fix our broken system of subsidies and tariffs that add sugar to almost everything that is both convenient and cheap.

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  9. Re:How about a living wage instead? by bobbied · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Living pay check to pay check isn't about how much money you bring in, but about how much you are spending in most cases.

    It's more about managing what you spend to match what you take in than making more money. Usually more money doesn't help people who live paycheck to paycheck, it just allows them to dig a deeper hole. If you are struggling to service unsecured debt, you likely have a spending problem. If you find that a raise only puts you deeper in debt, your problem is spending, not earnings.

    In today's day and age, in most places in the USA we are rapidly approaching full employment. This means it's a seller's market in labor. So if you don't make enough, get a better job. If you cannot get a better job, develop better skills and try again. So if you *really* need more money, you can get it by working hard, but if you don't control your debt load, it won't change a thing to earn more.

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  10. Re:How about a living wage instead? by StormReaver · · Score: 2

    That's nice, Walmart, but I think what people want is to not have both mom and dad working 60 hour work weeks yet still be living paycheck-to-paycheck.

    That sounds reasonable when shooting from gut instinct, but that instinct is almost always wrong. I've watched what happens when the minimum wage gets an unreasonable boost: working hours go down to compensate, and usually go low enough to overcompensate. Thus, employees make less money with the wage increase than they made before it.

    In my city, most full time minimum wage employees saw working hours slashed substantially so employers wouldn't have to pay as much as they were already paying. When the Affordable Care Act went into effect, those same employees had their working hours slashed yet again to ensure they fell below the earnings threshold that would require their employers to pay for health insurance.

    A better solution would be for those parents to not be parents until they are financially and educationally viable to support a family. For those parents who didn't think before exchanging DNA, this is why your parents told you to not have sex until you were able to support a family. Your life is probably very difficult now, and you have only yourself to blame.

    This doesn't require a lot of brain power. It's simple common sense.

  11. Re:How about a living wage instead? by StormReaver · · Score: 2

    Living pay check to pay check isn't about how much money you bring in, but about how much you are spending in most cases.

    I don't know who you think you are by being rational, but stop it! People don't want to take responsibility for themselves, but would rather make poor decisions and then blame someone else for the inevitably poor results.

  12. Re:How about a living wage instead? by bobbied · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Living pay check to pay check isn't about how much money you bring in, but about how much you are spending in most cases.

    I don't know who you think you are by being rational, but stop it! People don't want to take responsibility for themselves, but would rather make poor decisions and then blame someone else for the inevitably poor results.

    Yea, I'm very sorry.. The whole "pull yourself up by your own boot straps" "hard work wins" message is quite hurtful to those who think the world owes them and will throw a riot, burring down their own neighborhoods to prove it. I know the pain they feel when the welfare checks get delayed or the WIC debit card stops working for 20 min and I just added to it by making them feel responsible for themselves, if just for a brief moment..

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  13. Re:Thank you Trump by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2

    Fiscally conservative?

    You mean one that supports tax cuts while wanting to pay to revamp out military's murder devices and technologies?

    A fiscally conservative president would tell the military industrial complex to go bugger itself.

  14. Re:How about a living wage instead? by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2

    The majority of WIC recipients are actually gainfully employed. Stop repeating racist dog-whistle stereotypes from 1993.

  15. Re:A Solution That Only In Increases the Problem by losfromla · · Score: 2

    Maybe some smart but poor kids will now choose to work at WalMart for a few years for the opportunity to attend college without accruing crushing debt.

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  16. Re:How about a living wage instead? by bobschmagogee · · Score: 2

    Walmart's starting hourly wage is $11/hr. If both mom and dad are working 60 hr work weeks, they're making almost $70,000/yr combined. There are a lot of places in the US where making that much is not living paycheck to paycheck.

  17. Re: And why might they want to pick the schools? by c6gunner · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Your comment is a perfect example of why this policy is important.

  18. Re: And why might they want to pick the schools? by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2

    You seem to prefer corporate brainwashing over education. Econ departments at most "traditional" universities tend to be fairly balanced to conservative. The OP favors a monoculture of corporatism.

  19. Re: How about a living wage instead? by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2

    Adjust this per capita -- costs of living are lower in poorer states, so they can in turn pay less per capita in "welfare." Also, a lot of the poorer red states didn't expand Medicaid.

  20. Did you get this from a right wing think tank by rsilvergun · · Score: 2, Interesting

    or do you work for one and wrote it yourself? This is one of their talking points. It's always the same: We can't raise your pay because somebody else will just take it away if we do. Maybe it's the gov't. Maybe it's the businesses you shop at (funny that for Walmart employees).

    It's a lie. No, employees making $15/hr don't pay 40% of their income in taxes. Even at $15/hr (the living wage as of 2018, though it's going to have to be raised soon) you pay about 15-20%. Less if you have kids. I know, I made that kind of money for years before getting a better job.

    Tuition assistance is fine and dandy, but it's no substitute for a living wage. People need to live while they go to school, and it's unreasonable to expect people who couldn't make it through college in their teens & 20s to do it while working for a living in their 30s, 40s or 50s. Sure, some people have done it but they're outliers. You're being disingenuous at best and a right wing, anti-worker shill at worst.

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  21. Re: And why might they want to pick the schools? by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2

    The OP favors a monoculture of corporatism.

    As the OP in question, I'd like to correct your misunderstanding.

    The OP favors a polyculture of interacting individuals - but with the nonaggression principle as the core law for their interaction, recognizing property as "crystalized labor" (to quote the epiphany of a left-wing labor union leader of my acquaintance), and with groups having no more rights than those of the individuals of which they consist.

    "Corporatism" is yet another set of socialist schemes, and quite outside the above acceptable set.

    (Or are you using the left-wing swear word definition of "corporatism", which amounts to plutocracy? That's not within the set, either.)

    Unfortunately, the current left-wing, though its members mostly don't realize it, is a fanatic religion, with anything related to a useful business practice labelled as sin, and the practitioners of business labelled as sinners. So any educational institution whose members adhere to this religion will necessarily be teaching counter-productive lessons to its students.

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