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China Overtakes US For Healthy Lifespan, WHO Data Finds (reuters.com)

According to World Health Organization data, China has overtaken the United States in healthy life expectancy at birth for the first time. The data from 2016 finds Chinese newborns can look forward to 68.7 years of healthy life ahead of them, compared with 68.5 years for American babies. "American newborns can still expect to live longer overall -- 78.5 years compared to China's 76.4 -- but the last 10 years of American lives are not expected to be healthy," reports Reuters. From the report: The United States was one of only five countries, along with Somalia, Afghanistan, Georgia and Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, where healthy life expectancy at birth fell in 2016, according to a Reuters analysis of the WHO data, which was published without year-on-year comparisons in mid-May. The best outlook was for Singaporean babies, who can count on 76.2 years of health on average, followed by those in Japan, Spain and Switzerland. The United States came 40th in the global rankings, while China was 37th. In terms of overall life expectancy China is also catching up with the United States, which Reuters calculations suggest it is on course to overtake around 2027. Meanwhile U.S. life expectancy is falling, having peaked at 79 years in 2014, the first such reversal for many years.

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  1. Re:Trump's fault obviously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    he is a terrible "president", worst ever. this is a well-known fact. and in the top 20 worst, perhaps, globally, in the entire history of this planet.

    it is his party who is to blame, and as the president is considered the 'leader' of his or her party (steers policy and platform, is expected to be the standard-bearer, etc), it is by extension, the twit's fault as well. so congratulations. you were correct, simply amazing for a trumpette moron such as yourself.

  2. lies by slashmydots · · Score: 4, Insightful

    China is also very well known for lying about things and faking stats to appear better than everyone else. It goes all the way from the local level with fake recycling bins that go straight to trash pickup to faking national statistics.

    1. Re:lies by Peter+P+Peters · · Score: 5, Funny

      China is also very well known for lying about things and faking stats to appear better than everyone else. It goes all the way from the local level with fake recycling bins that go straight to trash pickup to faking national statistics.

      "The United States was one of only five countries, along with Somalia, Afghanistan, Georgia and Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, where healthy life expectancy at birth fell in 2016" They must be really good at it to manipulate the US official figures....

    2. Re:lies by tttonyyy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      China is also very well known for lying about things and faking stats to appear better than everyone else. It goes all the way from the local level with fake recycling bins that go straight to trash pickup to faking national statistics.

      It's easier to focus on that reassurance rather than the decline in U.S. healthy life expectancy since 2014.

      https://www.scientificamerican...

      "These experiments show that when people's beliefs are threatened, they often take flight to a land where facts do not matter."

      Sadly, this may be a case of just having to accept some unpalatable news.

      What would be interesting is the "why?" which sadly the article is a little thin on. Perhaps there will be more analysis to follow.

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    3. Re:lies by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Informative

      China has way more traffic deaths than America. Although they drive less, they have about twice the per capita death rate.

      List of countries by traffic deaths

    4. Re:lies by Sique · · Score: 5, Informative
      They don't look into factors at all. This is just looking at death rates for each age cohort and then summing up the probability for each age cohort to die within the next year. This is purely statistics.

      And you can do the same thing with chronic illnesses. You just get the number of chronic illnesses in each age cohort and then calculate the probability to catch a chronic illness within the next year.

      If you sum up each age cohort from 0 to the maximum age, you get two probabilities: First, the probable life span of a newborn, and second the probable lifespan without chronic illnesses for a newborn.

      This statistic does not make any statements about the reasons why the life expectancy and the healthy life span expectancy is as high as it is. It just reports a number.

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    5. Re:lies by Peter+P+Peters · · Score: 2

      Those are by and large choices we make and contribute to our risks for early onset death. It's all so meaningless on it's face value.

      Life expectancy is a good measure of success, since if you can't stop people from dying you will likely fail at other things too. If your nation's life expectancy is going down while every other Western nation is going up you should be asking why.

    6. Re:lies by rfengr · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They also put it in reverse and back over you. https://www.google.com/amp/amp...

    7. Re:lies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Have you ever lived in China? Western "high fat" diet? I think you mean Western "high carb" diet. Chinese diets are filled with both, however: tons of rice and oil. Chinese likely eat significantly less animal fats than in the USA, but the food in China is full of fat (as food should be). Also, even with all the rice, a lack of eating processed foods likely means the Chinese still eat significantly fewer carbs as calories than in the USA.

    8. Re:lies by tbannist · · Score: 2

      Yes, isn't it interesting that Obamacare resulted in healthy life expectancy in the U.S. going down?

      Do you have any evidence to suggest causation? Because it seems more likely to be correlation.

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    9. Re: lies by jedidiah · · Score: 3, Interesting

      > Not to mention US police kill more people than criminals do in some countries, and more school kids have been killed this year than military...

      Unless there's a war going on, why should the military be that dangerous?

      The real problem with your "zinger" is that it demonstrates that Americans have gotten entirely accustomed to being in a state of constant war. Kids that die in uniform tend to be not much older than school age.

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    10. Re:lies by penandpaper · · Score: 2

      Meh. The difference in life expectancy between the US and higher rated countries could come down to personal choice and lifestyle. Obesity isn't good for life expectancy and the US sure does come ahead on that one. A better measure is something like life expectancy after cancer diagnosis when medicine and healthcare have a direct correlation to how long you live.

  3. USA #1 by Peter+P+Peters · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "The United States came 40th in the global rankings"
    How does this sit with the USA #1 crowd? I like to read those OECD comparison charts and it seems the US has been continually falling over the last few decades across every type of political leadership. Can this be fixed?

    1. Re:USA #1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Per 100,000 the USA is #1 in
      Military spending
      Health costs
      Prison population
      And giving to charities.

      Everything else its rarely in the top 10 and is often lower than 20th.

    2. Re:USA #1 by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 4, Interesting

      How does this sit with the USA #1 crowd?

      We are still #1 in watching TV! Eight hours a day for every average household! So it doesn't matter if we die earlier . . . we will still be #1 in total hours of TV watched in our lifetimes! China can't compete with our TV viewing . . . they are too busy doing healthy things, like riding their bikes to work, and doing Tai Chi outside in the park in the fresh air at the crack of dawn.

      Whoever has watched the most TV in their lifetime when they die . . . wins!

      USA! Watch TV! USA! Watch TV!

      I like to read those OECD comparison charts and it seems the US has been continually falling over the last few decades across every type of political leadership. Can this be fixed?

      The correct question is:

      Could this be fixed?

      The Clinton Political-Military-Industrial-Complex-Machine still has too much influence in the Democratic Party. The Democrats need to purge all those Clinton Loyalists still in party leadership positions. Hillary will try to get Chelsea a free ride into the Senate, with her own trick:

      Pick a heavily Democratic state where a Senator is about to die or retire. Chelsea moves there and professes that she was always a loyal resident of that state. When the Democrat Senator dies or retires, run Chelsea in the primary. Use the Clinton Political-Military-Industrial-Complex-Machine to Whack-A-Mole any other Democratic challengers.

      The Democrats can not let that happen . . . it will lead to further Clinton stagnation in the party. They desperately need fresh blood and new ideas.

      Oh, and get rid of those "Super Delegates" . . . even the name is offensive:

      "You are just a delegate. But I am a super delegate" The whole thing is elitist and undemocratic.

      For the Republican Party, the process is easier. Ask every Republican leader if they honestly like Ajit Pai. Get rid of every one who answers "Yes". This shows that they care more about the interests of Big Business, and not about the interests of Little People.

      The Republicans need to carefully cultivate some young potential presidential candidates who and appeal to younger voters, while still holding dear to values that the older Republican voters' ideals.

      So to get back to your original question:

      Can this be fixed?

      . . . the answer is, Yes, it could be fixed, but No, it probably won't be fixed.

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    3. Re:USA #1 by burtosis · · Score: 2

      Get the money out. America is a republic, the citizens are supposed to elect representatives. We now have unlimited dark money from PACs on top of other loopholes to donate huge sums of money to politicans. Some politicans are funded less than 3% by small donations and it's the money that plays the largest role in getting elected in the majority of cases. However with a first past the post it devolved into two parties, whose ruling members stamp out any non-corporate leaning competition, it makes it very difficult for a canidate of the people to actually get elected in a large election. Change the system to tax based public financing only, no donations or lobbying, crack down hard on in kind favors and contributions. That alone would see massive improvements. Use rank choice voting, people get a better say in who they want, for example putting trump or Hillary or both at the bottom, and it undermines the two party duopoly. Something needs to be done because Americas rotting from the inside and it's smelling up the entire planet.

    4. Re:USA #1 by The+Cynical+Critic · · Score: 2

      I know the crowd you're talking about, but these days they're not anywhere near as hard in the paint about the U.S being such a fantastic place compared to the rest of the world after they got Trump and an outlet for their complaints about the bad aspects of the country.

      There's still a number of things like friendliness to entrepreneurship, food, culture and gun ownership that they're super proud of, but they're now pretty angry about the state of education and healthcare. They commonly think the sorry state of these things in the U.S today is because of established politicians destroying those things at the behest of their corporate paymasters and that Trump's swamp draining is going to get rid of these people and fix what they destroyed. However with education there's also the contingent that blames blacks for the poor OECD ratings and use race-specific figures that do show a significant improvement, but not for the reasons they think are behind it.

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  4. Re:Trump's fault obviously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    You don't know anything about swamps. Swamp experts say you have to flush out the old swamp with the new swamp before trying to drain it. We will have the best swamps, let me tell you. Swamping, swamping, swamp USA!

  5. Just wait until they can afford to eat by mveloso · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Just wait until the mass of Chinese can afford to eat 3 meals a day. Then we'll see what the stats say.

  6. The hard truth by burtosis · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Maybe, just maybe, for profit capitalistic health care isn't working. Americans pay double for worse outcomes than socialized systems. Many can't afford it, and the insurance middle men take in 800 billion a year with 100 billion in unnecessary salaries, expenses, and profits. The system rewards treatments for conditions and not cures or prevention. This is the biggest reason why the US is so far behind Slovenia, and why it will never be #1.

  7. This will never be fixed in the USA by coolmoe2 · · Score: 3, Informative
    This is what you get when you run healthcare for profit.

    You basically have a choice to return shareholder value or save lives but you certainly cannot have both. It's really simple to understand because if you run it for profit it becomes unaffordable for the poor. That is why we pay more for heathcare then anybody else in the world.

    We have made our choice here to keep raking in profits over saving lives here so this problem is not going to get better in the near future.

  8. Thank god... by johnwfran · · Score: 2

    Looking at my retirement funds, I'm certainly hoping I die in my sleep at age 78. Or maybe 75. I just can't be sure.

  9. Re:US capitalism by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

    If the US health system were capitalistic, with producers open to competition in the global market and consumers free to form buying associations of whatever kind they wanted and buy from wherever they wanted, we would be much better off. Instead, we have this interlocking cartel of medieval guilds whose goal is to maximize the number of doubloons extracted from the peasants.

    Meanwhile, in 2003 and in 2013 China made ground-up reforms to its medical regulatory system. Could we be seeing the first effects of this in healthcare delivery?

  10. Re:Trump's fault obviously by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You are out of touch with reality. The Dow shot up from 19,827.3 to 25,075.1 -- an increase of *26 percent* the day of (or day after) Trump's inauguration.

    No, it didn't. It took TWO YEARS for the Dow to go up from 19,827 to 25,075. It took from the day before Trump's inauguration day to the second anniversary of his inauguration day. As you say, it was a rise of 26 percent.

    Did you know that over the exact corresponding period of time, from the day before his inauguration to the second anniversary of his inauguration, Under Obama the Dow went up 33 PERCENT? In fact, if you check the Dow on March 9, 2009 at the very depth of the Great Recession, you will notice that by the second anniversary of Obama's term the Dow rose an astonishing 61 percent.

    The Dow now resides in record territory

    No, it does not. It's well over 1000 points off its high. Also, did you know that the Dow resided in "record territory" for the entire second term of Barack Obama's presidency?

    [Note: I am figuring out where the Trump supporters are getting this myth that the the Dow rose 26% in two days after Trump's inauguration. It is from a misreading of the big, wet baby's own tweet. The only problem is, in Trumpistan they get every single fact wrong, including the day the tweet was issued. see below]

    https://twitter.com/realDonald...

    And here, you can look at the Dow history yourself to check for yourself.

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  11. Re:US capitalism by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What is really needed is a free market, something capitalists hate and work against as it is not profitable.

    There is no such thing as a "free market", especially when it comes to health care.

    If a doctor tells you you're going to need heart surgery, or your kid needs cancer treatment, you're not going to shop around for the best price. If lung is punctured in a car accident and you're bleeding internally, you're not going to shop for the least expensive alternative to an ambulance to take you to the hospital.

    There is no free market alternative for health care.

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  12. Re:If you don't count the disappeared, sure! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

    Lol, I miss GNAA trolling

    We all miss those glory days, brother.

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  13. Re:Trump's fault obviously by Green+Mountain+Bot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    At least he kept two-faced Hillary out of the White House.

    Sure, the cancer is bad, but at least I didn't get the flu!

  14. Re:Trump's fault obviously by Tough+Love · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You are out of touch with reality. The Dow shot up from 19,827.3 to 25,075.1 -- an increase of *26 percent* the day of (or day after) Trump's inauguration.

    It is you who is out of touch with reality. When reality set in after one year of the the Trump presidency, the Dow promptly fell by 9%. The 2017 runnup was the holdover from the golden years of Obama's 2nd term (which did not include any global financial crisis caused by Republicans dismantling regulations). Then the reality of the Trump presidency set in, did I mention that?

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  15. Re:US capitalism by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

    Currently insurance companies have to act as our collective heathcare bargaining agencies, because we are forbidden from forming buyer clubs to do the negotiating ourselves.

    Observation of healthcare worldwide over a 50 year period teaches us that the best "buyer clubs" for health care are run at the national level.

    There has never been a successful profit-based "free market" health care system anywhere in the world.

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  16. Re:Trump's fault obviously by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 2

    Trump was largely expected to remove government minders from business activity in conjunction with a massive reduction in corporate tax rate. This principally caused the market to become significantly overheated. As any investor with even moderate experience can tell you, a rapid rise is surely followed by a rapid descent otherwise known as "going parabolic". We experienced a taste of the descent already with a reversal in prices down to November levels. Currently institutional investors are busy selling back shares to corporations in one of the largest buybacks ever seen due to the misguided corporate tax rate cuts (did you folks really think it'd trickle down?). When the buybacks dry up I strongly suspect we'll see a much deeper correction in share prices. Strangely a certain group of people will still be singing his praise all while calling for Hillary's impeachment.

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  17. Re:US capitalism by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

    Health care circa 1840 was not a system, it was individuals dealing with doctors.

    In 1840, almost every hospital was non-profit. And the vast majority of health care in the US was not provided by hospitals or doctors. Sick people relied mostly on home remedies, midwives, local folk healers, or in the case of African Americans, the obeah or conjurer.

    Here's an interesting little blurb about US health care in the 1800s that you might find interesting. Remember, this is an era that you're pointing to as a model ("individuals dealing with doctors")..

    The diploma mills were encouraged by a public that abhorred government regulation or any interference with the rights of the common man to do as he wished. There were no licensing requirements for medical personnel or professional oversight. In the face of declining respectability, physicians, anxious to reestablish their credentials, began to use more extreme depletion methods. Their model was Benjamin Rush, who as a leading physician at the turn of the century proposed using more extreme bleeding and purging. The poorly trained could point to the dramatic effects of their therapies as a form of success.

    But not all people accepted this “heroic” medicine. The result was a proliferation of competing health initiatives, a growth of medical sectarians such as homeopaths, hydropaths, new botanical theorists such as Thomsonianism as well as fitness gurus such as Sylvester Graham and John Harvey Kellogg. The sugar-coated pill advertised by a variety of entrepreneurs also competed freely. They had only to patent the shape of the bottles. There was no control over their ingredients. The medical scene in the nineteenth century was a chaotic free-for-all.

    As American doctors moved to prove themselves through their heroic therapies, European doctors were moving in the opposite direction by drawing on scientific methods. Laboratory studies had begun to extract the key ingredients of herbal remedies such as quinine from the cinchona bark that was one of the very few curative remedies available for malaria. In France doctors were using autopsies to evaluate particular therapies while investigating mortality rates for those same procedures. They concluded that the time-honored therapies did not work and could cause harm. The European studies were putting science to use to evaluate their traditions and found them wanting. Thus Europeans drastically moderated their actions in the face of disease.

    Americans rejected both the science and the idea of moderation. Even the most forward-looking physician in America, Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr. (the father of the future Supreme Court justice), a proponent of clean hands, ridiculed the idea that science could have any practical value for the medical profession. In the absence of verifiable cures doctors who wanted to follow the European trends to let nature heal were accused of “therapeutic nihilism” that could destroy them as a profession. Americans, the orthodox argued, were superior and did not have to follow the practices of their weaker European forebears.

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