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China Overtakes US For Healthy Lifespan, WHO Data Finds (reuters.com)
According to World Health Organization data, China has overtaken the United States in healthy life expectancy at birth for the first time. The data from 2016 finds Chinese newborns can look forward to 68.7 years of healthy life ahead of them, compared with 68.5 years for American babies. "American newborns can still expect to live longer overall -- 78.5 years compared to China's 76.4 -- but the last 10 years of American lives are not expected to be healthy," reports Reuters. From the report: The United States was one of only five countries, along with Somalia, Afghanistan, Georgia and Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, where healthy life expectancy at birth fell in 2016, according to a Reuters analysis of the WHO data, which was published without year-on-year comparisons in mid-May. The best outlook was for Singaporean babies, who can count on 76.2 years of health on average, followed by those in Japan, Spain and Switzerland. The United States came 40th in the global rankings, while China was 37th. In terms of overall life expectancy China is also catching up with the United States, which Reuters calculations suggest it is on course to overtake around 2027. Meanwhile U.S. life expectancy is falling, having peaked at 79 years in 2014, the first such reversal for many years.
he is a terrible "president", worst ever. this is a well-known fact. and in the top 20 worst, perhaps, globally, in the entire history of this planet.
it is his party who is to blame, and as the president is considered the 'leader' of his or her party (steers policy and platform, is expected to be the standard-bearer, etc), it is by extension, the twit's fault as well. so congratulations. you were correct, simply amazing for a trumpette moron such as yourself.
China is also very well known for lying about things and faking stats to appear better than everyone else. It goes all the way from the local level with fake recycling bins that go straight to trash pickup to faking national statistics.
"The United States came 40th in the global rankings"
How does this sit with the USA #1 crowd? I like to read those OECD comparison charts and it seems the US has been continually falling over the last few decades across every type of political leadership. Can this be fixed?
Yes, because those are not the unhealthy ones. ;-P
The butt-hurt is strong with you.
The truth hurts. Other countries are progressing, America is regressing.
Geekpoet doesn't like facts any more than Trump's legal team, but Donald Jumpsuit Drumpf and family is going to pound-them-all-in-the-ass PRISON for LIFE.
Lol, I miss GNAA trolling compared to this low effort nonsense.
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The economy is doing great, job numbers are better than ever for many
Mostly due to all the hard work put in by the previous administration (who had to start right after the banking disaster/collapse that GWBush failed to prevent).
Or maybe you think Trump managed to turn it all around in a couple of weeks? LOL!
Question: How's the swamp-draining coming along? That's the single most important thing that he could do to help safeguard the future economy of the USA - prevent more gaming of the system (and subsequent collapses).
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You don't know anything about swamps. Swamp experts say you have to flush out the old swamp with the new swamp before trying to drain it. We will have the best swamps, let me tell you. Swamping, swamping, swamp USA!
Awww Trumplthinskin is all triggered by the truth. Sad.
Just wait until the mass of Chinese can afford to eat 3 meals a day. Then we'll see what the stats say.
you missed a big one - USA
China
US
Israel
Russia
Myanmar
France
So did you apparently...
Maybe, just maybe, for profit capitalistic health care isn't working. Americans pay double for worse outcomes than socialized systems. Many can't afford it, and the insurance middle men take in 800 billion a year with 100 billion in unnecessary salaries, expenses, and profits. The system rewards treatments for conditions and not cures or prevention. This is the biggest reason why the US is so far behind Slovenia, and why it will never be #1.
... to excel at a much more coveted metric -- profits -- as she continues to deregulate fossil fuel and emission standards.
In support of the prime directive of asymptotic wealth gained in nanoseconds, Americans will die rich.
The age at which that happens is not important.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
You basically have a choice to return shareholder value or save lives but you certainly cannot have both. It's really simple to understand because if you run it for profit it becomes unaffordable for the poor. That is why we pay more for heathcare then anybody else in the world.
We have made our choice here to keep raking in profits over saving lives here so this problem is not going to get better in the near future.
I am actually surprised this was not already so. Typical chinese meal is healthier and more balanced than western diet and most people in asia still cook their food.
The only thing holding back was healthcare and as economy grew, it has caught up as well.
Looking at my retirement funds, I'm certainly hoping I die in my sleep at age 78. Or maybe 75. I just can't be sure.
If the US health system were capitalistic, with producers open to competition in the global market and consumers free to form buying associations of whatever kind they wanted and buy from wherever they wanted, we would be much better off. Instead, we have this interlocking cartel of medieval guilds whose goal is to maximize the number of doubloons extracted from the peasants.
Meanwhile, in 2003 and in 2013 China made ground-up reforms to its medical regulatory system. Could we be seeing the first effects of this in healthcare delivery?
If you multiply their qualities by the relative impact of their country to get the impact of their presidency on the world? I'm pretty sure they'd have to try really hard to screw up as badly as Trump is in the position to.
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Healthy lifespan my ass.. I spend a lot of time in China. Trust me, you don't want to spend the last 10yrs of your life in a communist/dictatorship shit-hole. Chinese hospital: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
I don't think you know any actual poor people. You are just repeating other people's bullshit like little old ladies reposting chain letters from email.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
The recent decline in this particular lie/statistic is due entirely to the spike in drug overdose deaths attributable to people being dumb enough to mix Fentanyl with their heroin.
The old quote attributed to Disraeli and Clemens really is true.
Any number in the absence of context is just nonsense to push a narrative. In this case it's just anti-American hatred plus some of the other usual suspects.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
It is capitalistic, just late stage capitalistic where monopolies, cartels and other middlemen arise to funnel money to themselves, often by buying rules from the government.
Capitalism rewards efficiency and it is not efficient competing.
What is really needed is a free market, something capitalists hate and work against as it is not profitable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
The Country that can't even process a proper Census has trustworthy stats on lifespan....
Pull the other one.
The amount of propaganda coming our way is nauseating.
End of Line.
He has a point.
Culture and genetics contributes a lot to these kinds of numbers. There are pockets of people in a number of places who have a various lifestyles that regularly live past 100.
Some of the more targeted statistics clearly have a strong cultural component.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
I am Swiss, here is my non-scientific anecdote :
I went 2 weeks in China last year, and I lost 3 kg (6 pounds). Last time I went to the US, I think I gained 2 kg in also 2 weeks, with a similar holiday life style.
The explanation for the difference ? My guess is the sugar; in China, you find very little sugar in food.
The economy is doing great, job numbers are better than ever for many
Mostly due to all the hard work put in by the previous administration (who had to start right after the banking disaster/collapse that GWBush failed to prevent).
Or maybe you think Trump managed to turn it all around in a couple of weeks? LOL!
Oh dear.
Must history repeat itself?
Reagan "was" both an idiot and evil mastermind, somehow. And magically his successes were all due to Carter, er, somehow ...
I've lived through this all before.
well no, it's not Trump's fault, it's the american people's fault for refusing to accept socialised health care that the rest of the modern world gets to enjoy.
Americans are the type of people who really just don't care about anyone but themselves and it's been an abject failure. Crime is high, health is low, wealth inequality is extreme, social mobility no longer exists. America is starting to crumble and every federal and state administration is at least some way responsible for it.
Meanwhile, the prevailing elementary-school standard of discourse gaining sway in America sat this one out.
Giorgos Lazaridis On PID theory:
Pull your head out of your sandbox. The American medical system isn't smaller than a midsize, coal-fired destroyer.
All I Really Need To Know I Learned In Kindergarten
Or so the author believed. I'm not sure Robert Fulghum ever grasped the PID-controller dynamics of any system too large to model in his childhood sandbox (and all around cat-turd collector) under his mother's kitchen's deck.
At government scale, merely keeping things where you found them involves multiply nested PID controllers. Of course, if we updated kindergarten to Ender's Game, we finally get somewhere. Inertia, it's a thing.
Man, and this is the guy who invented a kindergarten actually worth having, and he still believes the average citizen can't maintain his/her/zher own moral compass heading if anything weird is going on, on the other side of any fence, in the whole damn town. Oh, the exponential, global disruption of one improperly trimmed lawn.
Apparently, not only do straight(-ish) Mormons need a moral PID-controller equipped with a loud pulpit, but they also need the sea around them artificially calmed—or who the fuck knows how they'd behave?
Maybe it is true, though, that women (and Asians) can't parallel park because they didn't play in the sandbox enough at the right age.
Amazing how much I learned, really, when not a single one of my Hot Wheels articulated anything: my entire childhood's cat-shit show was managed with ice-rink physics and fist-of-God flubber.
Hot Wheels: one entire mind-blowing degree of freedom (linear translation), cruise-control not included.
But go ahead, comment on Obamacare as if kindergarten was general-purpose PhD.
You can't impose a monopoly in an open-market economy unless you do something like buy up a region's sewer system (hence our special treatment of networked utilities). You have to do what medical providers do - convince lawmakers to pass laws forcing consumers to buy under the terms you dictate.
This is the fundamental difference between the medical industry and the electronics industry.
Yes, it is more efficient to buy laws/regulations then to actually compete on a level playing field and the medical industry is well aware of this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
No, it didn't. It took TWO YEARS for the Dow to go up from 19,827 to 25,075. It took from the day before Trump's inauguration day to the second anniversary of his inauguration day. As you say, it was a rise of 26 percent.
Did you know that over the exact corresponding period of time, from the day before his inauguration to the second anniversary of his inauguration, Under Obama the Dow went up 33 PERCENT? In fact, if you check the Dow on March 9, 2009 at the very depth of the Great Recession, you will notice that by the second anniversary of Obama's term the Dow rose an astonishing 61 percent.
No, it does not. It's well over 1000 points off its high. Also, did you know that the Dow resided in "record territory" for the entire second term of Barack Obama's presidency?
[Note: I am figuring out where the Trump supporters are getting this myth that the the Dow rose 26% in two days after Trump's inauguration. It is from a misreading of the big, wet baby's own tweet. The only problem is, in Trumpistan they get every single fact wrong, including the day the tweet was issued. see below]
https://twitter.com/realDonald...
And here, you can look at the Dow history yourself to check for yourself.
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I was thinking that the sample size was plainly taken from China's capitol.
There is no such thing as a "free market", especially when it comes to health care.
If a doctor tells you you're going to need heart surgery, or your kid needs cancer treatment, you're not going to shop around for the best price. If lung is punctured in a car accident and you're bleeding internally, you're not going to shop for the least expensive alternative to an ambulance to take you to the hospital.
There is no free market alternative for health care.
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We all miss those glory days, brother.
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I find this 'World Health Organization' to be very questionable about any number of things they put in press releases; most of it sounds like they have a political agenda more than they have 'information to share' with the world. Wouldn't be the first time some group of influential intellectuals decided that they know what's best for our species and therefore have the right to 'guide' it.
Have those standards been changing the last few years the US has been going backwards? I can see how it may bring the number down, and make comparisons with other countries difficult. But how does it change it year to year in comparison to itself?
Well, so much for my belief that food from China will cause cancer if I so much as touch it.
In Soviet Russia the trains always ran on time ... but was it worth having lots of innocent people sent to the gulags?
A long lifespan doesn't indicate a good life !!
At least he kept two-faced Hillary out of the White House.
Sure, the cancer is bad, but at least I didn't get the flu!
Free markets are not possible with health care. Free markets require:
1) The ability for all participants to enter, leave, or participate in the market as they choose.
2) Participants must have symmetrical knowledge of the goods and/or services being provided.
3) Barriers to entry in the market must be sufficiently low that true competitors can arise if existing providers don't meet demand.
4) All participants must be rational actors.
5) The same product or service must be available from multiple sources.
For the most part, the only choice a potential customer of health care has of they don't wish to participate in the market is to allow their health to deteriorate or to flat out die. They almost never have the same level of knowledge of their condition and its treatment as the provider. Barriers to entry are extremely costly, particularly when equipment and facilities are included in the equation. Patients and their families are rarely rational about their decision-making. And the level of care and treatment varies widely from location to location.
Free Markets have their places, and I believe that wherever possible, they should be utilized. But health care is simply not amenable to their benefits. It's a fool's errand to try to make it work on those principles.
https://www.google.com/search?...
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... US standard Fast Food Fare.
In other news:
Society that regards Kung Fu Masters higher in status than lawyers healthier than fat-ass society that loves sitting at desks and has a quota of morbidly obese through the effing roof.
Yet in other news:
Rice and Soy Sauce healthier than Hamburgers, Fries & Ketchup.
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What you mean is that the health care system will always include a charity and governmental sector for indigents, people who have paid into pension systems, and those with catastrophic conditions.
All of these groups, and the private insurance companies that serve the middle class, would be helped by:
1. Being able to negotiate as a group for contracted rates on services, as private insurance does;
2. Being able to buy drugs in bulk, and on the world market, just as we buy processors and RAM;
3. Being able to allow their fully informed patients to try drugs that are in the FDA pipeline, but which are still in trials. We now have this right for terminal patients as of yesterday, which is a start.
Why? Are the Democrats going to promote healthy lifestyle choices? Get rid of the high-carb low-fat diet recommendations that are killing Americans? Break up the medical monopolies and drug cartels to drop the cost of health care by 80% or more?
You would if providers were required to publish up-front the prices for those services (regardless of means of payment).
If you include "private insurance companies" in the health care discussion, you've already gone well beyond anything like a "free market", because the consumer of health care is no longer the customer of the health care provider.
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No, you wouldn't. If your kid is hurt in a rollover accident, you're not going to have the ambulance wait while you google which trauma center has the best price on chest intubations.
There is a reason that "free market", profit-based health care has never worked anywhere in the world.
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List of countries by life expectancy
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
It's multi-factorial, I expect. Diet, healthcare, exercise, and more. It's a trend seen in other Western nations too. In China you have older people who have had to be active all their lives, and so that will be currently having benefits, but the 20-somethings in China might not have the same experience. In 30 or 40 years I expect China and the USA will be pretty much level for health lifespan. Note that it's healthy lifespan, not overall lifespan.
Canada beats USA by 19 places.
Gun laws.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
You are out of touch with reality. The Dow shot up from 19,827.3 to 25,075.1 -- an increase of *26 percent* the day of (or day after) Trump's inauguration.
It is you who is out of touch with reality. When reality set in after one year of the the Trump presidency, the Dow promptly fell by 9%. The 2017 runnup was the holdover from the golden years of Obama's 2nd term (which did not include any global financial crisis caused by Republicans dismantling regulations). Then the reality of the Trump presidency set in, did I mention that?
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
You're both wrong and right. Your wrong in the sense that the expectancy is based on the deaths from the previous year. Take every death from 2017 in the US and you'll find the average is 78.5. Where your right is that this is data based on a trial that took, on average, 78.5 years to complete (average starting in 1940). These are lives that, on average, pre-date the Clean Air Act, the decline of menial labor, the decline of smoking rates, the removal of lead from gasoline, the vast improvements in prenatal care that set people up for healthier lives, and the more recent pushes from governments and employers to the employees to make healthier decisions. That is how you're right. You won't know how wrong these estimates are for another eight decades.
"Lack of speed can be overcome. In the worst case by patience." --Znork
Currently insurance companies have to act as our collective heathcare bargaining agencies, because we are forbidden from forming buyer clubs to do the negotiating ourselves. In an open market, we would be able to do so.
Observation of healthcare worldwide over a 50 year period teaches us that the best "buyer clubs" for health care are run at the national level.
There has never been a successful profit-based "free market" health care system anywhere in the world.
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So, you're just going to ignore all the coupons and loyalty discounts and go with whoever had the best price on a chest intubation three years ago? And what if the hospital that has the best prices on chest intubation only has surgeons that charge twice as much to do repair of the abdominal wall? What's that? You didn't know that when you go to a hospital the doctor, pathologists, radiologists are all separate corporate entities? You didn't realize that the emergency room doctor will bill separately from the doctor on the surgical ward? That the anesthesiologist is also a separate corporate entity?
So, when you have all that non-goldfish-like foresight, you better also be able to do very complex analysis. And before you tell me how you're going to have an app to figure all that stuff, remember that doctors move from hospital to hospital all the time. Oh, and the make of your app requires access to your medical records.
No, it has not. Give me an example of a healthcare system - anywhere, at any time - that has been profit-driven and "free market" and worked.
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Trump was largely expected to remove government minders from business activity in conjunction with a massive reduction in corporate tax rate. This principally caused the market to become significantly overheated. As any investor with even moderate experience can tell you, a rapid rise is surely followed by a rapid descent otherwise known as "going parabolic". We experienced a taste of the descent already with a reversal in prices down to November levels. Currently institutional investors are busy selling back shares to corporations in one of the largest buybacks ever seen due to the misguided corporate tax rate cuts (did you folks really think it'd trickle down?). When the buybacks dry up I strongly suspect we'll see a much deeper correction in share prices. Strangely a certain group of people will still be singing his praise all while calling for Hillary's impeachment.
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Well hello there, Mr. Straw Man.
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In 1840, almost every hospital was non-profit. And the vast majority of health care in the US was not provided by hospitals or doctors. Sick people relied mostly on home remedies, midwives, local folk healers, or in the case of African Americans, the obeah or conjurer.
Here's an interesting little blurb about US health care in the 1800s that you might find interesting. Remember, this is an era that you're pointing to as a model ("individuals dealing with doctors")..
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That's right, stick your fingers in your ears and shout "lalalala I can't hear you!"
Certain physical attributes continue from generation to generation based on genes, just as they do among breeds of dogs.
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I'm gonna start eating more Chinese food!
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... is a shit show.
I've rarely found a single instance of this being done with any integrity. Various statistics between nations don't mean the same thing.
Murder for example is a legal concept which we take for granted as being universal but it isn't. An "unsolved" murder in one country can be cited as an "accidental death" or a "suicide" in another. Some countries have very very very low murder rates because they tend to designate unsolved murders as not murders in the first place. This renders comparing those countries to other countries that cite any presumed murder as a murder impossible with any accuracy.
Infant mortality is another very hard to compare statistic across national borders. Again, we take this statistic for granted and assume that it is a simple statistic. It is again a legal concept because first you have to identify whether the baby is "alive". Now especially for Americans this is an odd question because under US law, babies are generally alive the instant they slide out of the vagina... sometimes even if they don't have a pulse. Where as in other countries they often has different rules that the child has to meet to be considered alive. Body weight for example is frequently a requirement for a baby to be legally alive in some countries. In other countries the baby has to scream or cry to be alive. The slapping on the ass you see is to upset a non-crying baby so that it checks a legal box of "being alive". If a non-alive baby dies then it isn't recorded in infant mortality statistics but rather in miscarrage statistics. In the US especially our miscarriages are very low compared to international statistics whilst our infant mortalities are high. Many sloppy or biased publications will cite US infant mortality statistics as an example of a bad medical system when properly understood the US has excellent infant mortality statistics... we just consider babies that most countries would not consider alive to be alive.
So this statistic is going to have those sorts of problems and then it runs into a very subjective element that renders this entire type of statistic probably useless. They're trying to compare end of life health between two national populations. According to which metrics? Why do the chosen criteria matter? Is the methodology empirical?
If I went through this, I think we'd find that the statistic is not reliable, useful, and might not even be ethically well intentioned.
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You're right. I was wrong. It wasn't two years, it was 18 months. so sue me.
Please adjust my above comment to read "ONE YEAR" for both Trump and Obama, and "first anniversary" instead of second anniversary.
Everything else is correct, and I sincerely apologize for calling Scott Adama a "feckless cunt", since it's unfair to all the feckless cunts out there.
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The Dow is always going to have ups and downs, and the 9% pales to the other gains it's seen since November 2016, and those began shooting up the moment trump took office. How can you give Obama credit for that? They should have plummeted, right?
Don't forget the Dow also fell by a record amount at the time in January of 2016, under Obama. It happens. It's faltering for now, but even CNN Money isn't worried.
The economists say this is a normal correction after a stellar bull market. Read the "Now What" section of the article below.
http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/2...
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GP: We need a Free Market in health care. Me: Free Markets can't exist in health care. Here's why.
Where is the straw man?
The Dow is always going to have ups and downs, and the 9% pales to the other gains it's seen since November 2016
The Dow was still coasting on the golden years of Obama's second term, as I said. BTW, off 125 points this week, pure Trump effect (trade war). There is no way anyone except you calls a 9% loss in 5 months "pale".
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
This is like comparing the stats of two teams at the bottom of their league standings.
Who cares?
Except for the obvious question: how can two of the most scientifically advanced and prosperous nations on Earth be duking it out for last place?
"Consensus" in science is _always_ a political construct.