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America's Teens Are Choosing YouTube Over Facebook (bloomberg.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Bloomberg: Three years ago, Facebook was the dominant social media site among U.S. teens, visited by 71 percent of people in that magic, trendsetting demographic. Not anymore. Now only 51 percent of kids ages 13-17 use Facebook, according to Pew Research Center. The world's largest social network has finally been eclipsed in popularity by YouTube, Snapchat and Facebook Inc.-owned Instagram. Alphabet Inc.'s YouTube is the most popular, used by 85 percent of teens, according to Pew.

Instagram is slightly more popular than Snapchat overall, Pew said, with 72 percent of respondents saying they use the photo-sharing app, compared with Snapchat's 69 percent. But Snap Inc. is holding its own, despite Instagram's frequent parroting of its features. About one-third of the survey's respondents said they visit Snapchat and YouTube most often, while 15 percent said Instagram is their most frequent destination. Meanwhile, only 10 percent of teens said Facebook is their most-used online platform. The Pew analysis was based on a survey of 1,058 parents who have a teenager from 13 to 17, as well as interviews with 743 teens themselves.
The survey also found that 99% of teens own a smartphone or have access to one, and 45% said they're online "on a near-constant basis."

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  1. Social media by AHuxley · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Its what old people use to sell stuff to you.

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    Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
  2. So, we've created a monster by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Back when we were looking fondly toward the future where normal people would be on the Internet, we didn't really think of participants so tremendous that more than a 10th of traffic might go their way. Just as there wasn't only one telephone number that everyone called. But that's what we got. We thought the internet would be a tool for democracy. We we ever f**king wrong.

    Over time, it might turn out that the market flattens out or that distributed social networking really does catch on. I hope. Just reading about the internet as the fiefdom of a dozen companies makes me ill.

    1. Re:So, we've created a monster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because everyone was supposed to host their own websites. ISPs shut that down quickly, it can be extremely difficult or near impossible to get ports unblocked so you can host your own services. Every consumer-level internet service agreement I've read says no servers allowed. Distributed services won't catch on until that goes away. And managing your personal website is still too complex. In fact, it was easier in web 1.0 days when you used FrontPage or another WYSIWYS document editor to create pages. They were far easier than managing blog posts or database permissions.

      The internet is still a tool for democracy, you just assumed only smart people who cared would use it. You need to educate people before giving them tools or they'll find ways to use them you didn't expect.

    2. Re:So, we've created a monster by Narcocide · · Score: 2

      I saw it coming, Bruce. It didn't help me do anything about it, but I saw this coming. And even as I railed against colleagues, peers, and family who all got their hands dirty participating in it one way or another, everyone called me paranoid and crazy. But if I had the pulpit that you do, maybe I could have at least saved a few of them.

      Instead, the result is they just trust me even less because they can't fathom how I could have known.

    3. Re:So, we've created a monster by ZorinLynx · · Score: 2

      > it can be extremely difficult or near impossible to get ports unblocked so you can host your own services.

      Not anymore, really. ISPs don't give a flying flock of sparrows if you run a web server on your connection. All the big ISPs don't block port 80 or 443.

      The bigger problem these days is dealing with changing IP addresses, and the fact that a single web server running on a home connection can't scale up if something on it becomes even slightly popular.

    4. Re:So, we've created a monster by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Plus the question of whether you really want to open a port on your firewall to run your website which you will inevitably want to use any of a number of software packages of very dubious quality, but high user friendliness, and thus expose your entire home network, dick pics, toaster, bank records etc. to some rando hacker on the interwebs? Do you want to pay all that extra money for an SSL cert from someone? Couple that with highly asymmetric bandwidth, and the answer becomes no.

      Your website you pay for someone to host, if it gets hacked and it was important, hopefully you have backups. If it wasn't important, well it's probably gone forever.

      Still, I don't think I'd go back to 1991, AOL and dial-up. The internet changed the world, we just can't have the nice things we thought we could have had.

    5. Re:So, we've created a monster by omnichad · · Score: 3, Insightful

      SSL certs protect your visitors, not you. And you can get free SSL certs from Let's Encrypt that are trusted by every major browser.

    6. Re: So, we've created a monster by dnaumov · · Score: 2

      "We thought the internet would be a tool for democracy. We we ever f**king wrong."

      It is a tool for democracy. People voted. You just happen to dislike the result.

    7. Re:So, we've created a monster by houghi · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It was forshadowed: "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." Thomas J. Watson. Chairman and CEO of IBM in 1943.

      Look at the computer and phones of today as terminals and "the cloud" as computers, the quote sounds more and more true.

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    8. Re:So, we've created a monster by cayenne8 · · Score: 2

      Because everyone was supposed to host their own websites. ISPs shut that down quickly, it can be extremely difficult or near impossible to get ports unblocked so you can host your own services.

      Then just get a business ISP account.

      They really aren't more expensive than a consumer one that I've found.

      Granted,mine is grandfathered in, but with Cox cable....about $70/mo...I get a decent level SLA (they do act quick too), and no ports blocked at all, and static IP address.

      The up/down speeds are just fine for my needs....

      If you want to run your own servers from home, then look into getting a business connection.

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    9. Re:So, we've created a monster by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      Instead, the result is they just trust me even less because they can't fathom how I could have known.

      Ah, the fate of the Cassandra. I too know that. You just have to sit back, smile, and eat the popcorn while they self destruct.

      My learning moment was during the days of subprime loans, when real estate's value extended to infinity, and no loan was too sketchy. An 80 year old with a 50 year mortgage was fine business. While it was simple math, and I knew the end result the first time I saw the ads on Yahoo for people buying. million dollar houses with ridiculous low payments. I saw friends selling their houses t buy huge McMansions in exclusive neighborhoods, only to go bankrupt when the ARM made their monthly payment bigger than their take home pay. But the grifters originating their loans were paid by the number of mortgages they started, not the viability of them.

      My house was paid off around the time they were losing theirs.

      I think only one ever made note that I was correct, the rest just found it more convenient to be pissed off and jealous of me.

      That's just one example. So many people just can't figure out to avoid self destructive behavior.

      So now, I'll try once to show the details of self ruinous behavior, but if it doesn't take, I just sit back and enjoy the popcorn - I prefer cheese popcorn with tequila shots and bitter lemon soda chasers. The Cassandra isn't precluded from a bit of enjoyment.

      And none of that sissy Patron stuff either. Tequila should fight you all the way down.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
  3. That age group shouldn't be using social media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't let my kids use social media. They're not mature enough to understand what's too much sharing, privacy and the consequences of what you post being forever. It's one thing to watch videos on YouTube and another for revealing everything about themselves to the world to forever see.

    1. Re:That age group shouldn't be using social media by youngone · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I have had to explain to my wife (not a teenager) about what is appropriate for Facebook.
      She seems to have trouble with the concept of "posting" vs "sending". She still assumes that if she sees something on Facebook from one of her friends they have "sent" it to her.
      I am going to assume that this is not uncommon.

  4. Hard to beat cat videos by jfdavis668 · · Score: 2

    Socialize with other people is nothing compared to watching cat videos.

    1. Re:Hard to beat cat videos by DigiShaman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nope. VLOGGING brings narcissism to a whole new level! Because Facebook just wasn't enough.

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    2. Re:Hard to beat cat videos by tlhIngan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Nope. VLOGGING brings narcissism to a whole new level! Because Facebook just wasn't enough.

      Ding ding ding ding! We have a winner!

      YouTube is being used as a video diary. The fact that it does monetization is often the cherry on top. Facebook? They don't pay you jack squat But make a mindless YouTube video about crap and you can rake in real money.

      Do it particularly well and you might not even need a job because YouTube can pay you better than any job you'd ever get.

      Face it, teenage angst is one thing. Getting teenage angst to pay you some money? Well damn. And yes, YouTube is filled with tons of that dreck.

  5. A survey of parents? by mark_reh · · Score: 3, Informative

    Back before I became an engineer years ago, I used to read the engineering magazines annual salary surveys. It always looked awesome. Then I looked at who they surveyed- engineering managers, who had incentive to make it sound like engineering pay was much higher than it actually was.

    Who in their right mind would survey parents about what their teen-age kids are doing?

    If you're going to survey people about something, you have to survey the people you want to know about. Not their parents.

    Duh!

  6. What's not being said by davesays · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think the bigger issue is that while Facebook at least pretends to be bi-directional communication (while gathering and selling); YouTube is just watchers, like TV. There is a huge difference between even perceived interaction and just uptake. This large-scale de-socialization of younger people is one of the major factors in the mental health problems of the youth of today.

  7. Mindless Chatter, Ja? by resistant · · Score: 5, Interesting

    At the risk of arousing any short-tempered teenager present at Slashdot into a brief, indignant rage followed by a momentary fit of existential angst followed by a sudden burst of inane remarks about the latest fusion garage band to explode onto YouTube this week, the youngsters have always wanted to natter and chatter about nothing that matters. I'll offer the pop-psychology explanation that taking and posting short videos to YouTube has become so quick and painless in an age of powerful cellphones with excellent video resolution that it beats struggling with the "felt" complexity of Facebook.

    Mary sees a bee-YOO-tiful horsie galloping around a local farm pasture and snaps a quick video with lots of giggling and wavey "hi theres" to her besties. Off it goes to YouTube, and texts fly with the video URL. Why not?

    Dan snaps a nice video of his totally rad dragster with selfie views of him grinning and punching out the "V" for victory sign from the driver's seat. Off it goes to YouTube, and texts fly with the video URL and "see-CRET" information about the next impromptu venue for screeching rubber and distant, wailing sirens. Why not?

    It's rich media, and it's easy. Plus, YouTube is more happening than the Facebook with the disapproving grannies and the old farts who want to sell stuff. It's all in good fun! At least, I hope so. If it's an alien plot by the Betelgeusians to somehow subvert the next generation, then I'd prefer to be left alone with my little social illusions and my quaint notions about the general application of Ockham's Razor. And my vodka.

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  8. Social Media by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Putting "Youtube" in the social media category makes me think the people who wrote this article have never used a computer.

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    "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
  9. uhh.. by SuperDre · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You cannot compare youtube to facebook, they're 2 completely different things. Because of that I have no confidence in the people who did the research..

  10. Youtub as a job by DrYak · · Score: 2

    The fact that it does monetization is often the cherry on top. Facebook? They don't pay you jack squat But make a mindless YouTube video about crap and you can rake in real money.
    Do it particularly well and you might not even need a job because YouTube can pay you better than any job you'd ever get

    Until 1 year later (exactly when you've got credit to reimburse and need stable income) when Google decides to update the Youtube algorithm and suddenly you're not getting as many view / getting as much monetization.
    (Those vloggers have vaguely heard once some weird saying about "eggs" and "baskets", but didn't really pay attention to what was meant).

    Or some big drama controversy or whatever-gate emerges yet again, causing anything between advertiser pulling out, trolls trying to report videos just to demonetize them, all the way to Youtube banning a user due to the wrong controversial word having been uttered in some video.

    Yeah, youtube could help some teen grab some quick cash if they got lucky, but replacing a job with "Youtube" as a regular income requires a tiny bit more strategy and planning.

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  11. those tech savvy teens again! by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 2

    Yep, those tech savvy teens are way smarter than us oldsters!

    "Take that, you privacy-invading Facebook! We're going with Google!"

  12. On the talking of bollocks. by mjwx · · Score: 2

    At the risk of arousing any short-tempered teenager present at Slashdot into a brief, indignant rage followed by a momentary fit of existential angst followed by a sudden burst of inane remarks about the latest fusion garage band to explode onto YouTube this week, the youngsters have always wanted to natter and chatter about nothing that matters.

    Yes, kids have always liked to talk bollocks... This isn't a revelation and it's not restricted to youngsters either, a bunch of 20 something blokes at the pub results in inane chatter (called "banter" in En_GB), middle aged mothers doing yoga is more about sharing celeb gossip than contortion, octogenarians sitting around talking about how much better it was back in their day and how kids have it so much better now, in fact, they have this conversation several times a day.

    Talking bollocks is almost universal, every social group, gender, age, ethnicity, hair colour, so on and so forth does it. Given the rest of your post you are a prime candidate for the prestigious Bollocks Talker of the Year award, I dont think you could have sounded more like "old man yelling at cloud" if you tried.

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    Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
    1. Re:On the talking of bollocks. by DutchUncle · · Score: 2

      Terry Pratchett said something about most of human speech essentially meaning "Hello, I'm alive, and so are you."