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A Tesla on Autopilot Crashed Into a Parked Police Car (fortune.com)

An anonymous reader quotes Fortune: A Tesla vehicle in Autopilot mode collided with a parked police cruiser in California, authorities said. The Tesla sedan was driving outbound when it struck a parked Laguna Beach police car, the Laguna Beach police department said Tuesday. According to police, the driver in the Tesla sustained minor injuries. The police cruiser was empty of officers at the time of the crash. Laguna Polic1e Sgt. Jim Cota told the Los Angeles Times the police car "is totaled."
The police sergeant also told the Times that it was the same area where a Tesla crashed into a semi-truck last year, adding "Why do these vehicles keep doing that? We're just lucky that people aren't getting injured."

"Tesla has always been clear that Autopilot doesn't make the car impervious to all accidents," Tesla responded in a statement, "and before a driver can use Autopilot, they must accept a dialogue box which states that 'Autopilot is designed for use on highways that have a center divider and clear lane markings.'"

Record producer Zedd also responded to the news by sharing on Twitter what he calls "the other side": I once fell asleep driving home late at night on the highway (w/ autopilot on) and got woken up by it beeping + turning off music to wake me up. Would have prob been dead without it... I didn't touch the steering wheel for a couple minutes and then it turned off the music and started beeping. Elon Musk responded to the tweet, "Glad you're ok!"

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  1. I am sure this is all Elon Musk's fault of course by AlanObject · · Score: 4, Interesting

    An airplane's autopilot can crash the plane. Either by flying into the side of a mountain, running out of fuel, running into another plane, or into weather conditions the plane can't handle. All possible and even likely if the human pilot does not take responsibility.

    And the collection of devices is still called "Autopilot" and have been for more than a half century. Nobody claims that the respective manufacturers have oversold their product and/or delivered defective product.

    I mention this because I pointed out this obvious fact when this story popped up on a popular liberal political blog. I was roundly denounced as I was "blaming the victim." Then referred to breitbart.com where apparently that is considered acceptable. Stupid me for expecting better.

    So I guess the noisy media circus that goes on any time Tesla is mentioned isn't going to abate anytime soon.

  2. Fords have killed tens of people today... by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Fords have killed tens of people today and do every day. On any typical day, more than 100 people die in the U.S. from auto accidents while riding in brands other than Tesla. In contrast, a handful of people have died in Teslas.

    While the NTSB is interested in batteries and self-driving systems, their announcements of investigations create a false impression that Teslas are more dangerous than other vehicles. The opposite is most likely the case, since a self-driving system, properly used, has the collision-avoiding attention of the driver and of a computer too.

    So, why so much bad news about Tesla?

    Tesla is also the most shorted stock at present, with short positions covering more than a quarter of all outstanding shares and perhaps as much as one third. That means a great many investors are desperate to see Tesla's stock reach a much lower price soon, or they'll be forced to buy it at its present price in order to fulfill their short positions, potentially bankrupting many of them and sending some out of the windows of Wall Street skyscrapers. These investors are desperately seeding, feeding, and writing negative stories about Tesla in the hope of depressing the stock price. Musk recently taunted them by buying another 10 Million dollars in stock, making it even more likely that there won't be enough stock in the market to cover short positions. If that's the case, short-sellers could end up in debt for thousands of dollars per shorted share -- as the price balloons until enough stockholders are persuaded to sell. Will short-sellers do anything to give Tesla bad press? You bet.

    And of course there's the interest of the gasoline industry, which will go out of business given the proliferation of fully-electric vehicles that are actually good enough to compete with gasoline ones, a position that only Tesla holds so far. Entrenched automotive manufacturers also have every reason to seed and feed bad press while they fail to build their own battery manufacturing plants. Before Tesla, one could see the obvious activities of these powers in seeding bad news about the Prius.

    Then there's the fact that Tesla does not advertise. Given the queue of Model 3 reservations, Tesla already has all of the sales they need for their next three years of their factory's production, before they might have any economic reason to advertise. This can't be comfortable for the press, and no doubt makes them more willing to carry stories seeded by those who would harm Tesla.

    1. Re:Fords have killed tens of people today... by fluffernutter · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If Tesla autopilot actually drove 3.22 trillion miles a year in the US in all conditions and all places like humans do, how many accidents would that extrapolate to? Anyone care to make a guess?

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    2. Re:Fords have killed tens of people today... by Rei · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Teslas have driven over 7,2 billion miles. Given how by far most of that has been accumulated since the addition of AP hardware (in October 2016 they were only at 3,5B), and from the Q1 conference call we know that over 1/3 of Tesla miles are on AP, we can extrapolate to maybe around 2 billion miles (give or take large margins of error, and yes, that's the best we can do for now until the first AP statistics report comes out). At the normal US vehicle fatality rate of 1 per 86 million miles driven, 23 people should have died on AP (were Teslas only of average-safety, which they're not).

      Adjust up or down by your personal assumptions. We should have actual data to work with in a month or two.

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  3. Maybe the GPS and map could work together by clovis · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "Autopilot is designed for use on highways that have a center divider and clear lane markings."

    The GPS knows where the car is, and just about every mapping software knows what kind of road you're on.
    So how hard would it be to have the Tesla's computer not even turn on the autopilot if they're not on a road with center divider and clear lane markings? Or better yet, the autopilot only runs on roads that have been certified "not screwed up".

    In this case he was on Laguna Canyon Road, which has a median in some places and a middle "suicide lane" in others, and varies from one to two lanes from place to place.

    1. Re:Maybe the GPS and map could work together by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      GPS is very unreliable. Sometime you can't get signal from all the satellites you need to get an accurate in precise location. I wouldn't trust my life to them. Even when you get enough signal i have seen them be drastically wrong.I have had 3 gps sitting right next to one another and give me coordinates that are 100 meters away from each other even when they say they receiving enough signal to be accurate to within 3 feet.

  4. Re: "center divider and lane markings" by reanjr · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As the summary points out, there are likely people being saved by autopilot like Zedd, but they don't make the news.

  5. Simple solution by quonset · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Since Musk can send an OtA update to adjust brake usage, he can send a command to disable auto pilot on all Teslas in the wild.

    With that problem taken care of, he and his engineers can spend their time working on reworking and/or improving their "auto pilot" so it doesn't run into parked vehicles. Or anything else.

  6. Re: "center divider and lane markings" by fluffernutter · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Doesnt Tesla record everything? if there was convincing evidence of that, Musk would be publicising it.

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