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MIT Issued Blockchain Diplomas, But Doesn't Know If Employers Actually Use Them (techtarget.com)

dcblogs writes: Last summer, MIT ran a pilot program creating verifiable, tamper-proof "digital diplomas" for a small number of graduates. But they don't know how the pilot turned out, and there's a lot of experimentation underway. Eventually, all your credentials -- resume, employment history, occupational licenses, diplomas -- may be in a blockchain. The use of blockchain enabled digital credentials is growing. This could speed employment verification, and make lying on resumes harder.
The article points out that while a number of universities are exploring blockchain, MIT "has not heard of a case where a student's digital diploma was either consumed or accepted by an employer," although "Many certificates were verified..."

"MIT's pilot illustrates the state of blockchain in HR. It is in a beta, proof-of-concept, experimental phase. Blockchain verification is currently not a practical option for employers and recruiters."

38 comments

  1. Resume Massaging by www.goatse.ru · · Score: 3, Informative

    This will have a great amount of blowback. Employers--if they actually use this--will see the one and only resume that a person has, never be able to find employees, and then make even more of a case for H-1B visa workers. The big thing about being able to get a job today is to rewrite your resume to satisfy the HR goons that have no idea what they are hiring for as well as to appear as a "turnkey solution" that can check off every single one of the requirements.

    Training employees is a foreign concept these days. You have to know the tricks to get hired especially if you aren't well-connected. And if you are well-connected, the resume isn't going to matter all that much anyway.

    1. Re:Resume Massaging by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What exactly is the advantage over digitally signed digital diplomas?

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    2. Re:Resume Massaging by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      What exactly is the advantage over digitally signed digital diplomas?

      There is not much advantage, but there are a few. A blockchain is basically "distributed trust". So it may be harder to spoof, since verification is done by more than one entity. It would also be possible to revoke diplomas and other credentials as well as issue them. It may be easier for an employer, since they could use a single interface to verify qualifications, rather than acquiring and verifying public keys for every authority. As an applicant, an advantage is that the blockchain is a permanent record, so your diploma can still be verified even if the granting institution goes out of business.

    3. Re:Resume Massaging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would also be possible to revoke diplomas and other credentials

      A nuclear option, if ever used in meaningful numbers would spell the end of university education.

      Why spend 40,000-200,000 and years of your life on something that can be revoked for any reason and might be?

      Right now we are almost entirely missing the "might be."

    4. Re:Resume Massaging by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Why spend 40,000-200,000 and years of your life on something that can be revoked for any reason and might be?

      Because it is not going to be revoked for "any reason", but for reasons such as fraud or cheating discovered after graduation. The blockchain would be a permanent record of both the grant and the revocation.

      Diplomas can be revoked now, and sometimes are. But there is no easy way for a prospective employer to know that. A blockchain based system would change that.

    5. Re:Resume Massaging by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      and year down the road it's like the certification tests where you need to at your own cost take tests just to keep your certifications good.

    6. Re:Resume Massaging by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      and year down the road it's like the certification tests where you need to at your own cost take tests just to keep your certifications good.

      Some certifications must be periodically renewed. That is already true with the existing system, and has nothing whatsoever to do with how the certificate is verified.

    7. Re:Resume Massaging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about the diplomas given out by instutions that had no business giving them out? (Some state run community colleges have given out certifications and diplomas that have simillar names to expensive paid certifications (A+ for example) without actually going through the certifiying body. (CompTIA in this case.)

      Another question is the fraudulent for profit colleges who's degrees are worthless. Now those records can't be expunged and those stuck with them have that stigma associated with them for life.

      Further, just wait until your entire work history is blockchained. Fuck up as a kid and quit one too many jobs? You'll never get a decent job in your life no matter where you move to. Work for a competitor in the past? No job for you. Work under someone the hiring manager has a personal grudge against? No job for you. This will open up a whole new level of employer discrimiation against their, now including potential, employees.

    8. Re:Resume Massaging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is "going to be" and what is possible. Without restrictions, and there are none, "any reason" is a legitimate concern to have over the future. No one can predict what might happen, but with restrictions we can predict what wont happen.

      Promises without proof mean nothing.

    9. Re:Resume Massaging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must have lost your mind. The grantee would get a digital diploma, and a signature. You'd produce the diploma and signature, and your employer would verify your degree. That's literally what happens with a blockchain diploma, except maybe its also in the blockchain, and there's a time guarantee. But those features don't matter for a diploma (you already have to trust the diploma grantor to say when the degree was accomplished).

      You can still revoke diplomas using conventional approaches (just ask for the revocation list periodically; that's way less overhead than running a blockchain). And you can still keep a copy of the grantors public key, with or without the blockchain.

    10. Re:Resume Massaging by Build6 · · Score: 1

      What exactly is the advantage over digitally signed digital diplomas?

      So it may be harder to spoof, since verification is done by more than one entity. .

      This can't be right? The school that issued you a diploma would be the only entity that can verify/authenticate it, what would other entities would have to do with it? Your resume could have multiple references that would need verification/authentication by separate entities, but each particular one would only be verifiable by one specific entity.

  2. Hypechain by An+Ominous+Coward · · Score: 1

    Blockchain is about a distributed ledger. There's no fucking point for education or employment bona fides to be recorded that way. MIT is the central authority for granting MIT diplomas. Employer X is the central authority for validating job history at Employer X. Each organization has its own private key, signs a digital diploma or job history object, and publishes the public key so those signatures can be validated.

    1. Re:Hypechain by Hentes · · Score: 1

      You don't understand, MIT just found a way to make diplomas transferable! Like, if you have a job where you don't need your diploma, you'll be able to sell it. Or get two diplomas and sell one of them. Imagine the possibilities!

    2. Re:Hypechain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      but but but....
      with blockchain you distribute it! So everyone can have a copy of the 500TB employer ledger, the 200TB education ledger, etc.

      That seems like a lot. I know! We can have blockchain *providers* who will store all the blockchains for us and then we will query them!

      See? Technology solves everything.

    3. Re:Hypechain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You appear to be correct, this isn't really 'blockchain diploma' it's just a certificate (your diploma) signed by a CA (MIT), so basically PKI, but they get to jump on the blockchain bandwagon by saving the data to BITCOIN's blockchain.... that's some cutting edge research there MIT -roll eyes-

      Sources
      http://web.mit.edu/registrar/records/certs/digital_faqs.html
      http://certificates.media.mit.edu/

  3. Sounds like a job for... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not issue a blockchain SSN and then use that to update your schooling, your jobs, your run ins with the law... After years of threats we can finally have a permanent record that follows you around.

  4. Let's forge a diploma! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some mid-level bursar bureaucrat is now responsible for the encryption key to certifying someone as an MIT graduate... yeah, that person isn't going to be spear phished or anything...

  5. Not worth it by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 1

    These days, only people with ASIC rigs living next to a hydroelectric power station have any chance of mining an Ivy League-class degree. The rest of us with GPU cards and PCs have little hope of scratching out much more than an associate's degree from the local community college.

    1. Re:Not worth it by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      but sally loan will get you the cash to run a big farm in Hawaii

  6. Solving a non-problem by russotto · · Score: 1

    Very few people lie to employers about having gone to MIT or any other prestigious US school. Very few of those who do go through the trouble of faking any sort of transcript or diploma, because no one ever checks those except maybe for a first job. If the employer (or their background check agency) does check, they do it by contacting the school.

    I suspect more lying about international schools, since employers might find it harder to check. (Maybe more lying outside the US about US schools, for similar reasons)

  7. Can you get a hard copy when.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The hosting of the blockchain decides its too expensive to run the service any longer and someone else has put up a much cheaper database version so why use expensive, slow, still corruptible (someone double sold my diploma) blockchain.

  8. A solution in search of a problem? by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

    There are some famous cases of people making shit up on their employment applications, but it seems to be exceedingly rare. How many people here know firsthand of a case of someone getting a job - or even an interview - when they applied with credentials they did not actually have?

    This sounds more like another excuse for HR people to not do their actual jobs. If we want to move towards intelligent systems for job screening - and what we currently have even at very high tech employers is most certainly not an example of intelligent systems - that's great but this in't a step in that direction as best I can tell.

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    1. Re:A solution in search of a problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many people here know firsthand of a case of someone getting a job - or even an interview - when they applied with credentials they did not actually have?

      The majority of the tech industry, if we're talking skills.

      But diploma wise, this is a laughable search for a problem. Nobody sits around calling up universities to verify that Joe Cuntwaffle graduated with a degree in Feminist Anal Massage.

    2. Re:A solution in search of a problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Samsonite CEO resigns after falsely claiming he had a PhD in business administration
      https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2018/06/01/samsonite-ceo-resigns-after-falsely-claiming-he-had-a-phd-in-business-administration

  9. how is this better than a PGP signature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    MIT could just publish a public key and sign its diplomas with it, you could stamp them all with QR codes that embed the signature, and be done with it

    1. Re:how is this better than a PGP signature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop being all reasonable and crap.

      Besides MIT isn't up to speed, it has to be AI blockchain diplomas, those are the tech buzzwords for 2018, so anything new has to use both those words or its no good, maybe even Cloud based AI blockchain diplomas.

  10. We do not need an RecertificationTreadmill college by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    We do not need an Recertification Treadmill for college it costs to much as it is now.

  11. also mom and pop shops are not going to buy in to by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    also mom and pop shops are not going to buy in to resume block change system.

  12. I'm an employer - I don't by brian.stinar · · Score: 1

    The reason people are issuing blockchain diplomas is so that they get a press release. The community college here issues them too, also in an attempt to get press releases, and draw attention to themselves as being blockchain-friendly.

    If you have a degree from MIT, it doesn't really matter if it's "printed" on BlockChain, a piece of paper, or human flesh, as long as MIT actually issues it. I'd call up MIT to verify the degree, not process their entire blockchain. I'm happy when I get people with ANY degree in New Mexico, my state.

  13. No one checks by reanjr · · Score: 1

    No one checks diplomas. A few will call former institutions for verification, but even that's rare. Diplomas generally are only for putting on the wall at a professional's office.

  14. Never, ever by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    HR departments will never, ever, be able to use blockchain anything. They all like to use proprietary systems for getting resumes, CVs, cover letters, job history, etc, and they'll never settle on anything standard. You start the application process. You are given the option of uploading a CV (which of course contains your job history). The very next page in the application process asks you to enter your job history. And every single company's application pages are completely different. Nothing standard. And then when you filled out everything and are ready to hit SUBMIT... wait, what's this? You are told that you first have to fix the field marked with an "*" except THERE ARE NO FIELDS MARKED WITH A FUCKING ASTERISK. And don't hit SAVE and then SUBMIT because you have to hit SUBMIT before SAVE or it wipes everything out and you have to start over, which is going to be hard since you just put your foot through the monitor.

    And if you guys think the system for applying for tech jobs is bad, god help you if you ever apply for an academic job where you have to submit transcripts and teaching statements and research statements and three references from people who are scattered all over the fucking world or on sabbatical or doing research in New Guinea.

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  15. Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing will be in a block chain.

  16. Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I've been working in IT full time for around 25 years. I have never once had an employer ask me for proof of my education or a diploma. Literally, never. I've worked for every sort of employer -- development shop, two telecom fortune 50s, healthcare, startups, you name it. None has ever asked for proof.

  17. Smoke that diploma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can tell you that verification of diplomas digitally isnt a real thing. Now, rolling a joint out of your diploma, that's for real. Acid free paper makes a great roach. It's the best use aside from the name itself.

    They just f***ing call up the school. Why use some weird complicated stuff? The recruiters and people who manage this boring part of the process aren't saavy like that.

  18. Traditional PKI by Frankie70 · · Score: 1

    How is this better than Traditional PKI?

    MIT could issue diplomas signed by their PKI Certificate and employers can verify it without involving MIT.

    How exactly does blockchain help here?

    1. Re:Traditional PKI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How exactly does blockchain help here?

      It helps MIT attract grant money for "blockchain research."

    2. Re:Traditional PKI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's PKI web of trust model and a new buzzword. Put it in the bin with Cloud and Cyber...or fleece those that do not know the difference. Up to you.

  19. no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i don't want to live in a world where "digital diplomas" are "consumed"