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Uber Driver Kills His Passenger (washingtonpost.com)

An anonymous reader quotes the Washington Post: An Uber driver in Denver killed his passenger early Friday morning, telling a witness he had fired several times in self-defense, police said... Police say Michael Andre Hancock shot Hyun Kim, 45, with a semiautomatic pistol during a confrontation at 2:47 a.m. Friday, according to a partially redacted probable-cause affidavit provided to The Washington Post... Hancock does not have a criminal record in the state, the Denver Post reported. An Uber official said Hancock has been driving with the popular ride-hailing app for three years. His father, also named Michael Hancock, told KDVR-TV he had a permit to carry a concealed handgun. Putnam, the police spokeswoman, said she was unsure if that had been confirmed.

Company policy says riders and drivers cannot carry firearms in vehicles while using the ride-sharing app. Some states have regulations that override that prohibition, but in Colorado, which allows guns in vehicles to protect lives and property, the regulation for Uber users still applies, Uber spokeswoman Carly DeBeikes told The Post in a statement. Uber, rocked by allegations of inadequate screening and abuse among its drivers and corporate leaders, said Hancock's access to the app was removed

Uber was fined $8.9 million by Colorado regulators last year "for allowing 57 people with past criminal or motor vehicle offenses to drive for the company," reports the Denver Post. They note that in some cases Uber's drivers only had revoked or suspended licenses, while "a similar investigation of smaller competitor Lyft found no violations."

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  1. A problem with an easy solution by Sarten-X · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have an idea... Let's start a company like Uber, but focused on safety. We start with a limited fleet with known-safe drivers, and vehicles that are maintained and inspected by the company itself. Put company-standard equipment in that fleet, like video cameras, hands-free communications, and GPS receivers, and have the whole thing coordinated by a central location, with actual humans that know what's going on at all times. It'll be more costly than Uber or Lyft, but it'll avoid a lot of the problems they have.

    All it needs is a good catchy name. Since we'll take people to places, I suggest "Takesy"!

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    1. Re:A problem with an easy solution by Peter+P+Peters · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It'll be more costly than Uber or Lyft, but it'll avoid a lot of the problems they have.

      You think? Because as much as the Taxi industry likes push the idea that they are a safer option, there's still plenty of crooks, thieves, rapists and murders driving taxis.
      So it ill cost more but offer no real benefit. The actual solution is robot vehicles. Once this nut is cracked a *LOT* of problems go away.

    2. Re:A problem with an easy solution by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nah, we need to add in some other elements to make it really work:

      1) Make it crazy expensive.
      2) Add in a direct incentive for the drivers to run up your bill as high as possible, maybe by charging by the mile and not defining the mileage at the start of the ride.
      3) Remove any incentive for the driver to keep their vehicle clean or to treat customers well.
      4) Make it very slow and cumbersome to order one of these "Takesys," by requiring a phone call where you have to speak to a rude and ill-informed dispatcher instead of providing a simple, easy-to-use app.

      Just a few ideas there. It might also be good to only recruit drivers whose English is piss-poor, that way they can play dumb when their route takes a passenger 20 miles outside of the quickest path to the destination.

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    3. Re: A problem with an easy solution by reanjr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think most people are using them to avoid parking. In any sufficiently populated city that's going to be the majority of the use.

  2. From previous articles by OrangeTide · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Unlike the taxi industry, our background checking process and standards are consistent across the United States and often more rigorous than what is required to become a taxi driver," -- March 3, 2015, Uber spokesman Taylor Bennett

    The idea that a taxi driver would murder is not really all that new.

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  3. Re:Could this possibly be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    The only problem is that the dead guy can't testify in his defence now.

  4. So Uber doesn't let drivers defend themselves? by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seems like a really great way to get sued if the company does not allow the drivers a full range of defense options from passengers - the drivers are vetted, passengers really not (beyond driver reviews).

    Luckily there's no way to enforce this so many other Uber drivers can keep carrying, it's just a shame they have to lose jobs after the stress of having to survive an attack.

    Hope the Uber driver sues...

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  5. Re: Could this possibly be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Keep lying, snowflake

  6. So they're employees by quonset · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Company policy says riders and drivers cannot carry firearms in vehicles while using the ride-sharing app

    If the company dictates whether their driver can carry a weapon, if the company dictates the prices their drivers can charge, if the company can dictate other aspects of how their drivers perform their work, then they're employees and Uber is nothing more than a glorified cab company. They are not a "ride-sharing" company.

  7. Re:Yea, but... by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And if the passenger did really go psycho and tried to grab the wheel or harm the driver and driver hadn't had a gun, maybe we would be seeing the alternate headline "Two killed in Mysterious Uber Crash." Just some food for thought there.

    Either way, might I make the radical suggestion that we wait for the actual facts of the case to come out before we all jump to conclusions that fit our various pre-defined narratives?

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  8. Re: So Uber doesn't let drivers defend themselves by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Company policy doesn't trump your legal right.

    Sorry, but private property owners do very much trump your right to carry. Like no one but me is allowed to be carrying on my property. When the gun nuts were in a shit fit about that chocolate Kenyan citizen, and started carrying theier AR-15's into restaurants and some other places. It wasn't possible for the other citizens to distinguish between the fine citizens or someone who wanted to shoot the place up.

    So just like people with bratty children cause other customers to avoid a place, some person you can't determine their intentions but you do know they are brandishing a tool designed to kill you - they would simply go someplace else. So boom, the gun stays in teh car, or you do if you are so insecure you have to have that in a Chile's restaurant.

    Your right to brandish a lethal weapon vanishes the second you come onto my property. If I see it, I'm going to assume that you are planning on using it,

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  9. Re:First? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    the number of bears has been on the decline, while bear attacks have increased. bears are still vastly more dangerous to children than guns.

    Except the numbers don't bear that out.

    Go to your link. Count the number of fatal bear attacks since 1999. Compare that number to the schoolchildren who have been slaughtered by the well-regulated militia since 1999. Then go fuck yourself.

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