Slashdot Mirror


Russian Scientists Upgrade Nuclear Battery Design To Increase Power Output (sciencealert.com)

schwit1 shares a report from ScienceAlert: A team of Russian researchers have put a new spin on technology that uses the beta decay of a radioactive element to create differences in voltage. The devices are made of stacks of isotope of nickel-63 sandwiched between a pair of special semiconducting diodes called a Schottky barrier. This barrier keeps a current headed one way, a feature often used to turn alternating currents into direct ones. Finding that the optimal thickness of each layer was just 2 micrometers, the researchers were able to maximize the voltage produced by every gram of isotope.

Nickel-63 has a half-life of just over 100 years, which in an optimized system like this adds up to 3,300 milliwatt-hours of energy per gram: ten times the specific energy of your typical electrochemical cell. It's a significant step up from previous nickel-63 betavoltaic devices, and while it isn't quite enough to power your smart phone, it does bring it into a realm of being useful for a wide variety of tasks.

34 of 150 comments (clear)

  1. Just imagine... by The+Fat+Bastard · · Score: 2

    Buying a 100-year-old Tesla and having to replace the original battery.

    1. Re:Just imagine... by technosaurus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That could have been the case if it used NiFe batteries. Ironically, that is another technology invented by a European and rebranded with Thomas Edison's name. Only NiFe batteries are secondary cells, not primary and definitely not nuclear. With Nikola Tesla's history with Edison it would have been too ironic... may as well get the backing of J.P. Morgan-Chase for a little icing on the cake and put one of those Marconi radio receivers in it and Apple's wireless charging system.

      Perhaps when Elon Musk bases the flying car off of Tesla's vertical takeoff and landing heliplane, we can see more or his inventions that no-one knows about. Strange that for his last 20 years no patents appear in the public records.

    2. Re:Just imagine... by jtgd · · Score: 2

      Buying a 100-year-old Tesla and having to replace the original battery.

      100 years is the half-life, so you wouldn't have to replace it, it's just that insane mode becomes mundane mode.

      --
      J
    3. Re:Just imagine... by Luckyo · · Score: 2

      No, it just expends half of its maximum energy capacity.

    4. Re:Just imagine... by fox171171 · · Score: 4, Funny

      That could have been the case if it used NiFe batteries. Ironically, that is...

      I see what you did there.

    5. Re:Just imagine... by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 2

      Buying a 100-year-old Tesla and having to replace the original battery.

      You'd only have to replace half of the battery...

      --
      I'm a consultant - I convert gibberish into cash-flow.
    6. Re:Just imagine... by XXongo · · Score: 3, Informative
      Nuclear batteries and chemical batteries both share the word "battery" in the name and produce electricity, but other than that, they have nothing in common.

      A NiFe battery is completely different from a betavoltaic cell, even one based on a Nickel isotope.

    7. Re:Just imagine... by denzacar · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Strange that for his last 20 years no patents appear in the public records.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      There ya go.
      Don't forget to put on your tinfoil hat while browsing that Wikipedia page or lizard-people will read your mind and steal them patents.

      You'll quickly notice that it is all outdated and that most of his later year "inventions" are nothing but junk.
      E.g. That "vertical takeoff and landing heliplane" had a single and comparatively tiny propeller - but it had biplane wings, AND they were fixed and in line with the propeller, tilting along with it.
      Now... ignoring completely the tiny amount of vertical liftoff that such propeller would be able to provide (think V-22 Osprey)... consider what happens to the angle of those fixed wings and of the entire "heliplane" as it tries to lift off vertically.
      I.e. He lacked fundamental understanding of how the wing works and how it lifts the airplane.

      Also... from even cursory reading of the patent, it is quite clear he didn't really understand engines or the concept of efficiency of said engines.
      He envisions his "APPARATUS FOR AERIAL TRANSPORTATION" being lifted by "turbines" working under "excessive overload"..."with the object of meeting the abnormal power requirements in the starting, landing and other. short operations" - while "motors will be operated at their normal rated capacity" only during "descent and alighting, as well as rising in the manner of a true aeroplane".
      I.e. He thought that engines are designed to achieve maximum efficiency while working at lower outputs - while at the same time providing the infrastructure for much higher outputs.

      He though that an engine designed for a compact car only needs a bit of hardening and the fuel supply and exhaust system of a truck - and it could produce the same amount of force as the engine of a semi-truck.

      But the best part is where he envisions his flying "apparatus" being propelled by a STEAM ENGINE.

      "In Figure 3 this apparatus is. diagrammatically indicated by 17, and may be any one of a number of well-known types, producing pressure by internal combustion of a suitable fuel or by external firing of a steam boiler.

      Tesla was a genius.
      But he also clearly had mental issues and was often way out of his depth outside his narrow area of expertise.
      That's why his "death ray" turned out to be hokum just like his "new form of energy violently opposed to Einsteinian physics" or his mind-reading device which would work by photographing the eye.

      --
      Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
    8. Re:Just imagine... by technosaurus · · Score: 2

      If you read the patent instead of just looking at the pictures, he explains that. Not a steam turbine, but a gas turbine using Tesla's turbines that can operate at much higher speeds than traditional gas turbine engines. The History Channel made the same assumptions based on the drawings... they also assume that he didn't account for the gyroscopic torque (which he does in the text). The real invention is a different type of turbofan that could produce more thrust in a smaller, lighter package. The heliplane just happened to be the novel niche where he envisioned its usage. I'd have to check, but I am pretty sure it predates variable pitch props, which would make it even more plausible.

    9. Re:Just imagine... by jwhyche · · Score: 2

      "That is no moon. That is a battery."

      --
      I read at +2. If your post doesn't reach that level I will not see or respond to it.
  2. what's more scary by religionofpeas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd rather have a nuclear battery in a pacemaker that lasts a lifetime than having to deal with surgery every 10 years to replace a conventional one, risking infection and other complications.

    1. Re:what's more scary by lordlod · · Score: 2

      Nuclear battery pacemakers used to be a thing. It seems doctors feel that having a newer, modern device every decade outweighs the disadvantage of surgery. Replacing a pacemaker is a relatively minor operation, they are implanted in an accessible location and the new device typically reuses the original leads.

      http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2015/ph241/degraw2/

    2. Re:what's more scary by religionofpeas · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's a minor operation, but the foreign materials such as the leads, make for good hiding places for bacteria. The old scar tissue surrounding them also hinders the immune system from getting good access.

    3. Re:what's more scary by technosaurus · · Score: 2

      Its beta decay, thus none of the "radiation" escapes a thin film wrapper. So no, it makes total sense.

    4. Re:what's more scary by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's a shame they can't make one that's powered by body heat.

      That won't work until Congress repeals the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.

      Much better is a biobattery that is powered by glucose extracted from the blood.

      If you have a diabetic roommate, you could use a large biobattery to power your laptop.

    5. Re:what's more scary by Luckyo · · Score: 2

      No need for air quotes. Beta decay is radiation. Idiots not knowing what radiation actually is, and assuming everything has penetration of gamma and energy of alpha isn't going to be helped by pretending beta isn't radiation.

    6. Re:what's more scary by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 3, Funny

      That won't work until Congress repeals the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.

      Would a Presidential Pardon be enough . . . ? I hear Presidential Pardons will be the Next Big Thing.

      If you have a diabetic roommate, you could use a large biobattery to power your laptop.

      What do you do with your roommates when they are empty . . . ? Are they rechargeable, or do you need to dispose them at special environmental recycling center?

      Is there a danger that roommates will spontaneously burst into flames, like Samsung batteries?

      --
      Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
  3. Why do we care about lifetime output over 100 yrs? by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Isn't beta-decay a process that produces exponentially less energy over time? Like, after 100 years, it'll still produce half the voltage (or amperage) out. After 200, 25%. But after 25 years it'll only produce 70.7% of the output, which may not be enough. Or it could be more than enough at 200 years.

    --
    Your ad here. Ask me how!
  4. The coolest part is it's not Radioactive to us. by Grog6 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Nickel-63 is an artificial isotope, which means it has to be made; But, it only decays by beta decay, so a piece of foil (or a deposited schottky barrier) will prevent that from escaping.

    Pu RTG's put out everything from alphas to heavy fission gammas and neutrons, so this is a gogolplex better from any radioactivity standpoint.

    I hope this takes off; it all depends on what it costs to make a gram. A 3300mAh lithium battery is about $1 in quantity, but has a very limited lifetime.

    --
    Truth isn't Truth - Guliani
    1. Re:The coolest part is it's not Radioactive to us. by hackertourist · · Score: 2

      Pu RTG's put out everything from alphas to heavy fission gammas and neutrons

      What? The Pu-238 decay chain is almost perfect because it's mostly alpha particles which are easier to shield against than betas.

  5. Quick question by Joce640k · · Score: 2

    Is "3,300 milliwatt-hours" the same as 3.3 Watt-hours?

    Or should we really be measuring this in Libraries of Congress?

    --
    No sig today...
  6. Re:Why do we care about lifetime output over 100 y by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Informative

    But after 25 years it'll only produce 70.7% of the output

    The fraction of remaining power = exp(-t * ln(2)/100)

    So after 25 years, it will be a 84%. It will be at 70.7% after 50 years. If that isn't enough, then just make the battery 40% bigger.

  7. The 3300mWh/g figure is over the 100 years lifetim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you read the https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0925963517307495 you find that the actual power density is 10uW/cm^3, which is really very very poor compared to batteries. Yes, it will run for many years without charging, but it won't run a very big load.

  8. Re:I am confused! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    that is 3.3 watt/hours per gram. According to my calculations, you can use a 80 kg battery can easily power a Tesla for the next 100 years. A Model S can do 320kw/hour. No supercharger needed. Another option is to use a 16Kg battery which will charge the battery packs. Only in extreme use, long trips, etc. you may need an outside charge.

    But this isn't like a Li-Ion battery that you can extract energy from at a variable rate... it's a generator that produces ~38uW (micro-watts) continuously for 100 years. So you just need ~66kg to produce a standard 0.5 amp USB charger worth of current at 5V. But on the up side... that 66kg "battery" will charge your phone for 100 years. ... and if you want to red line that tesla for 100 years straight you just need an... 8,430 metric ton battery - no problem, just buy a Model X with a tow hitch!

  9. Look at the effort involved in making Nickel 63 by idji · · Score: 3, Informative

    http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/v...
    These look like good things for deep space missions, but where else would you find a good use for them, that solar couldn't do more effectively?

    1. Re:Look at the effort involved in making Nickel 63 by Luckyo · · Score: 2

      Considering the efficiency of solar, pretty much everywhere. These two aren't even in the same ballpark in terms of power per size.

    2. Re:Look at the effort involved in making Nickel 63 by _merlin · · Score: 2

      Low-observability surveillance satellites? Low Earth orbit synthetic aperture radar satellite? Low Earth orbit near infrared telescope satellite? Solar panels make them far more visible, and hence easier to find/track. Improvements in betavoltaics are very interesting for spy satellites and other military applications.

    3. Re:Look at the effort involved in making Nickel 63 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They make nickel carbonyl by the train-car load, and that's a lot more toxic to live with than nickel-63 will ever be. Of course, there's demand.

      A bit of math says that a 25-lb box of this stuff could power my house for a hundred years or so. With some pessimistic assumptions about density, that's smaller than a window air-conditioner. Think about a sailboat or an RV or just living off the grid somewhere...

      AC

  10. Re:I am confused! by religionofpeas · · Score: 2

    Model S can do about 300 Wh per mile. A 80 kg battery, at 3.3 Wh/gram, can deliver 264 kWh, so about 880 miles total. But the problem is that this battery can only deliver this power gradually over 100+ years, so you would have to drive very slowly.

  11. Re:The 3300mWh/g figure is over the 100 years life by 0111+1110 · · Score: 2

    Yeah I noticed that they were measuring the output in microAmps. I don't have anything that can run on something like 60 uA. Load capacity is always the problem with betavoltaics. I wonder how hard it would be to put a million of these in parallel though. That could make for a very interesting battery depending on the size and weight involved.

    --
    Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave.
  12. Too weak. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 3, Informative
    The energy "content" is 10 times that of electro chemical batteries. OK, go on.

    Half life is 100 years.

    So, half, that is 5 times the chemical batteries is available over 100 years. Right?

    So, on average, 1/20 of the energy is available per year .

    That works out to 1/7300 per day. But the decay is exponential, so we need a correction from mean to peak. Let us be generous and round up e (=2.7182818) to 3. So you are looking at 1/2500 of chemical battery energy per day. Divide by another 86400 to get per second. That is the max power out put of this device. Looks like you would be better off harvesting the power from local WiFi signals.

    --
    sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
    1. Re:Too weak. by gweihir · · Score: 2

      True. This is a special-purpose power supply, e.g. for very long therm loggers, locators, beacons, safety interlocks and the like, running on ultra low-power MCUs. No general usage scenario.

      --
      Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
  13. Re: Nuclear power by Immerman · · Score: 2

    How does the inevitable high levels of environmental radiation play out in your imaginary world? Because cars, cargo boat and plane crashes all occur on a regular basis, and in a fission powered world those crashes would often mean nasty highly radioactive waste products getting spread around.

    The problem is not the fear of radioactive contamination - the danger is real. The problem is that we don't have any technology safe enough to reduce that danger to something tolerable outside a well-regulated power plant (and fear well may have contributed to that). You can't even trust people to dispose of batteries and household chemicals properly when doing so is free and easy, and big companies like BP routinely get away with a slap on the wrist when causing massive damage via negligence and then intentionally worsening the problem in order to make it less visible - messes which rarely ever get adequately cleaned up. Hell, whole cities like Flint have had toxic water supplies for years that the residents can't even decline to pay for if they want to keep their kids. And do you really want to live in a world where any car bomb gets the radioactive dirty bomb part for free?

    Fusion may eventually change that - generally speaking there's no direct waste products, and neutron activation problems can be mitigated with lithium shielding. And then by all means let's play. Even something like a compact Lockheed Martin fusion reactor wouldn't be something I'd want in a car though - break the reactor and reaction-based radioactivity ends almost immediately. Those inner coils though will inevitably be neutron activated though, and I wouldn't want to be the one responsible for cleaning up the mess. No fast and cheap tow-truck services to clear an intersection after a bad mash-up.

    --
    --- Most topics have many sides worth arguing, allow me to take one opposite you.
  14. Re:I am confused! by gweihir · · Score: 2

    That is 3.3Wh per g, _distributed_ over some centuries...

    --
    Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.