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Edward Snowden: 'The People Are Still Powerless, But Now They're Aware' (theguardian.com)

Edward Snowden has no regrets five years on from leaking the biggest cache of top-secret documents in history. He is wanted by the US. He is in exile in Russia. But he is satisfied with the way his revelations of mass surveillance have rocked governments, intelligence agencies and major internet companies. From a report Snowden, weighing up the changes, said some privacy campaigners had expressed disappointment with how things have developed, but he did not share it. "People say nothing has changed: that there is still mass surveillance. That is not how you measure change. Look back before 2013 and look at what has happened since. Everything changed."

The most important change, he said, was public awareness. "The government and corporate sector preyed on our ignorance. But now we know. People are aware now. People are still powerless to stop it but we are trying. The revelations made the fight more even."

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  1. Narrator: by DalM · · Score: 4, Funny

    Narrator: "Unable to bare the thought of his fellow Americans being spied on by their government, our hero releases the top secret documents and flees to... *pauses... squints at script...* Russia."

    1. Re:Narrator: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's just being practical. Name any developed country that 1) isn't spying on its citizens and 2) wouldn't cave to US pressure to hand Snowden over. The second consideration outweighs the first when it's your own life on the line.

    2. Re:Narrator: by ChromeAeonuim · · Score: 5, Interesting

      A more accurate way of putting that is that the US is so full of shit that he had to turn to Russia, of all places, for his own safety. Instead of trying to fix the problem, the US government decided to try to shoot the messenger who uncovered their criminal activity (and yes, until the Fourth Amendment is officially repealed instead of just blatantly disregarded, spying on citizens is still criminal).

    3. Re: Narrator: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, he fled to Ecuador, but the State Department yanked his passport and he got stuck in Russia. People like to skip that bit...

    4. Re:Narrator: by king+neckbeard · · Score: 2

      Are US intelligence services being abusive by any objective measure?

      Yes.

      Are US law enforcement agencies abusing intelligence provided to them or gathered by them?

      Yes.

      To what extent?

      To an endemic extent, where the best thing we can do for national security would be to destroy the headquarters of the major intel TLAs.

      Undercover cops and confidential informants are illegal in which reality?

      Not being illegal doesn't make something okay.

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  2. Hero by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Snowden gave up everything for a bunch of morons that for the most part don't give a shit. They deserve whatever comes next.

    1. Re:Hero by Maltheus · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I remember him once saying that he'd regret what he had done, if no reform ended up coming out of it. Not only did we not get any reform, the American people seem to have fully embraced it. Every bill that increases the power of these agencies, sails through without a hiccup.

    2. Re:Hero by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, the only thing that could happen happened: a change of government. But probably this had little impact.

      It's really a failing of (US) democracy that all possible society issues are funneled through only two choices that offer 90% the same thing. Personally, I'm a proponent of the smallest possible federal government, not because I'm into small government but because there's no democracy at the federal level. Another solution would be to elect the secretaries individually.

    3. Re:Hero by Gr8Apes · · Score: 2

      Umm, that's because a certain minority representative party has gamed the system for 30 years to enable this end-game. And end-game it is, just not the one they wanted. The GOP will disintegrate over the next year or two. It's going to be interesting.

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  3. Re:Thief and a traitor! by ChromeAeonuim · · Score: 5, Informative

    "Privacy is Treason." Straight out of 1984 right there.

  4. Willful Ignorance proves things are worse. by geekmux · · Score: 3

    Sorry, but nothing has really changed. In fact it's probably worse now.

    Users used to be unaware, and they didn't give a shit about security or privacy. Now they're fully aware, and they STILL don't give a shit about security or privacy. It's willful ignorance.

    And what people are truly powerless over, are their own internet addictions and peer pressure. It's FAR more important to overshare and generally be the internet narcissist society expects you to be than it is to recognize and respect any risk involved with that activity.

  5. Aware of what? by jfdavis668 · · Score: 3

    Did I miss something?

    1. Re:Aware of what? by AHuxley · · Score: 2

      PRISM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      DROPOUT JEEP https://www.cnet.com/news/nsa-...
      BULLRUN https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      Lots of ways to get around junk big brand encryption and collect it all.

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      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
  6. Re: People in Russia are powerless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Trump Jr's treason-meeting at was explicityly to collude with the Russian government's attacks on our country.

    Donald Trump's campaign manager is under house arrest likely headed to prison for witness tampering during his house arrest.

    You can pretend not to notice the mountains of evidence of treason laid out before us, but Donald Trump's campaign manager is wearing an ankle bracelet and will soon be wearing a jumpsuit in prison.

  7. Re: Not privacy left to be had in the US. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    You Sir, are a frog on the boil.

  8. Re:Reminder: You're not totally powerless by eaglesrule · · Score: 2

    Vault 7, learn what it is. "Weeping Angel" in particular turned smart tvs into spy tvs.

    When it comes to domestic spying, being a "tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy nut" just means you're paying attention.

  9. Re:Reminder: You're not totally powerless by sarren1901 · · Score: 2

    AC may be paranoid but that doesn't make AC necessarily wrong. Most TV's can spy on you. Your smart phone most certainly can spy on you. All those voice assistants are of course listening. We have seen different articles over the past months and years that show just that happening.

    Unless you give up modern life, you are going to be spied on. Maybe if you move to a less technical part of the world and give up all your fancy computer tech, you may gain back privacy.

    Is privacy really worth giving up that much? I may hate that the 4th is dead in all but name, but I'm not going to go live in a cave in Afghanistan just to say I have privacy. Likely that wouldn't even be true. Probably satellites watching the entire country anyway.

  10. Re:Thief and a traitor! by another_twilight · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "An individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for law." - Martin Luther King Jr.