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DHS Will Use Facial Recognition To Scan Travelers at the Border (engadget.com)
An anonymous reader shares a report: Last year, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) put out a notice, saying it was looking for a facial recognition system that could work with images taken of people inside their cars. The idea was that such a system could be used to scan people entering and leaving the country through the US/Mexico border and match them to government documents like passports and visas. Now, The Verge reports that DHS will be launching a test of a system aiming to do just that. The Vehicle Face System, as it's called, is scheduled for an initial deployment in August and it will be installed at the Anzalduas border crossing. The test will take place over one year and will aim to take images of passengers in every car that enters or leaves the US through the crossing.
What exactly would this do that a passport wouldn't? If you want to know who someone is, tada, passport.
What exactly would this do that a passport wouldn't?
Possibly verify the person entering is really the person named on the passport, and not someone using a forged or cloned passport?
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Yet another reason not to visit the USA.
from people with beards and glasses (most modern nerds) who get stopped and questioned for 2 hours everytime they go overseas. There's all sorts of things facial recognition has trouble with.
As for why they're doing this, it's called probably cause. They'll use a match to establish prob cause and use that to get a warrant for searches. Same reason we do lie detector tests we've proven don't work.
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> no skin off of their nose if it costs you your last shreds of privacy, your firstborn, your tax dollars, or whatever else.
Your name and passport number isn't private while crossing the border. Cameras and computers and cheaper than border guards. Seems to me this will cost fewer tax dollars and have roughly zero privacy impact.
> doesn't matter that this adds nothing of value whatsoever. Competence, efficacy, cost-effectiveness, efficiency, are all irrelevant. They're made out of pure cover-your-assium. That is all.
Seems more cost-effective to me. They have their problems, of course, as all government entities do. This doesn't seem like an example of any of that.
The whole "within 100 miles of the border" thing they did a while back - THAT was fucked up.
The first use of this new facial recognition will be to try to catch Melania as she seeks asylum status with the Cleveland Cavaliers.
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The US border control was already pretty unfriendly before 9/11, I have no idea what it must be like now (and this as a white male who speaks English as a first language).
9/11 was almost 17 years ago. If you don't know how it is now, are you saying that you haven't crossed the US boarder in at least 17 years? I am not sure how someone that crosses the boarder that infrequently can add much to the conversation. Are you saying that because you had a bad experience 17+ years ago, that you assume it really sucks now? Personally I cross the US border about once a year. My inbound experience (where you deal with the US boarder control folks) has generally been good. I have had a few times where they have been snarky but I haven't observed that the the overall level of snarkyness has changed much after 9/11. You do need a passport now when before 9/11 you could just use your driver's license for land based crossing.
You're right, since 1953 border patrol has had the authority to act within 100 miles of the border. It seems that in the last ten years or so they have significantly increased their interior operations.
People try to share passports.
Skilled people sell fake US passports.
People in the US gov sell real new US passports for money to anyone with money.
People create a series of fake and real documents all over the USA to build up a new identity to then get a real US passport.
So the photo in a US passport cannot be trusted as the entire creation of a US passport cannot be trusted.
People walking around wanting to enter the USA can get passport form any nation selling passports. Nations that give away their citizenship to anyone who walks into their nation. Nations with no real passports creation ability.
A lot of different ways of getting a new US passport. A lot of ways of getting a real passport from some other random nation for money or as a person with no paperwork.
The USA now has a few more databases and cameras to finally see if a face on a presented passport is a face that has existed in the USA, is of interest in another nation. Separated from data and a photo in a fake or new passport.
An image can show a person real origin story globally. Rather than the story their "new" passport image was created around.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
if Peter Watt's experience is anything to go by. I'm consistently embarrassed by my country. Hell, We've now had to presidents who support torture for Pete's sake.
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Recognising faces in moving cars sounds like a pretty tough scenario with lots of problems and low reliability. Even in case of forcing drivers to slow down and look at certain spot, it wouldn't be too simple. Other relevant issues are the low number of pictures available for most of people (1, 2?) and the high probability of conditions which might have a negative impact on the faces' visibility.
If I were one the companies trying to push forward automated (facial) recognition systems, I would focus on improving their reliability under more favourable conditions. Getting involved in situations with low probability of success seems a quite bad long-term move for a new technology.
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Someone sell a truckload of Trump masks to the Mexicans :-)
Invest into businesses in Mexico and other countries so that the folks there get decent jobs that secure their outcome and generate a decent standard of living. That will be far cheaper than any border wall or facial recognition or other high tech toys.None of those who risk their lives coming to the US do that just for fun. If they no longer see a need to leave their home country the issue will mostly be resolved. It will also make it less likely that people see a career in the narcos as a viable path. I bet anyone would rather glue cars together than be constantly on the run.