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Oracle Lays Off Java Mission Control Team After Open Sourcing Product (infoq.com)
Kesha Williams, reporting for InfoQ (shared by numerous readers): The Java Mission Control suite of tools, also known as JMC, was open sourced by Oracle on May 3rd to much applause and excitement from the Java development community. The excitement was replaced with unease as sources reported that the entire JMC development team had been laid off. JMC is a well-known profiling and diagnostics tools suite for the Java Virtual Machine (JVM) primarily targeting systems running in production. It is used by developers to gather detailed low-level information about how the JVM and the Java application are behaving. The official open source announcement came on May 5th from Marcus Hirt, a member of the Java Platform Group at Oracle. "Just wanted to say thank you to everyone who helped open source Java Mission Control in the relatively short period of time it was done in." According to Hirt, the intent behind open sourcing JMC was to provide the community with the opportunity to add new features and capabilities to the tools suite.
Actually it's Oracle, not Open Source which is the cancer. Oracle just doesn't get how Open Source works, so they confuse it with their trash can.
This is precisely the kind of product that benefits greatly from corporation / open-source collaboration. A community-centric tool that benefits with having both close ties to the official codebase, and also has a broad population of interested persons providing input, feedback, bugfixes, etc.
Oracle has bungled, and continues to bungle, both open-source in general, and Java in particular. Despite a 2016 bubble, the long-term decline in popularity of the platform is significant.
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...why about 1/3 of the Stockholm dev office was suddenly empty this week. And I had to come here to find out about it. Wow.
Oracles stock price says otherwise.
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Yeah, but at least these developers will be able to continue their development work. They just won't be getting paid for it anymore.
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Yeah, but at least these developers will be able to continue their development work. They just won't be getting paid for it anymore.
It would be quite amusing to now see Oracle apply for some H-1Bs for "Java Internals Core Developers" . . .
. . . claiming that they can't find any US folks for the jobs.
I'm guessing that the Java Mission Control team somehow pissed off Larry Ellison . . . a very dangerous thing to do . . .
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How did this idiocy get modded +2???
And working for free on an open source software project is its own reward!
Lol! If Google paid for its copyright infringement on Java, all of these people would still have their jobs.
On one hand "LETS SUE THE PANTS OFF OF GOOGLE BECAUSE JAVA!", and on the other they're pushing Java into the hands of the community.
I wanna develop something used by billions of devices, not care about it, and sue anybody that tries to copy the idea I don't give a rats ass about.
I could understand mod 2 interesting, only because it is the kind of thing one might say in a person to person discussion not because he truly believes in it, but because he wants to hear the best argument(s) against it.
I for one would simply point out that it took this event to be able to link open source to "massive layoffs". Perhaps this is the only ways Oracle would ever do this. Regardless, it is done.
I'm sure these find Java experts will find their way.
As programming becomes just another form of writing we are headed for a world where many write programs but few make a living at it. That is paid programming will be just another task as part of a more general job in engineering, accounting, commerce, teaching etc. The crude program generators of today will evolve to intelligent machines creating most programs. Hopefully we will still have hobbyists.
It also causes massive lying by the likes of Christine Peterson and Bruce Perens who Slashdot offered an opportunity to interview only to call them out on their bullshit in the comments section. OSI is fake news and we are truly making America great again, good work guys.
Seems to me they're saying "You've been bitching for years that the community can do better, well here you go, knock yourselves out, we're done."
to fire the dev team after the app is built. You hire some folks to do the hard work of building it and then you hire jr code monkeys to maintain it afterwards. Video Games do this. Still, it means Oracle isn't planing any major changes to it (or it means they think they can get by with consultants).
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Conflating two completely separate issues and showing a complete ignorance of one makes you look a real jackass
Most open source developers are farmers by day and hobbyist software coders by night.
No matter how much you profile a trud, it sill remains a turd. If you write in Java, it will suck. As such, this tool was entirely uneded.,
The stock price says the same thing, actually.
Open sourcing things/donating them to the community is their way of saying "this doesn't make money for me".
They did it with OpenOffice, Glassfish and others I fail to remember now. Of course they can do whatever they want with the software they own but it's so sad to see so many nice things being abandoned. I wish Sun had never gone under
OSS is not a shitty ideology. It's an alternative ideology from CSS (closed-source). If you want interoperability there are a few choices. OSS, Standards Based (W3C, IEEE, ISO, etc.), or de facto. OSS tends to win out, and where it shines. If you need a deep-stack application that just works, closed-source tends to be where to go.
Unlike RMS, I (and many others), actually understand the need and support for both ecosystems.
I support (and give money to) the OSS projects that I directly use on a regular basis, or would like to see continued improvements.
I pay for (and by extension, support) closed-sourced tools that I have the capabilities that I need (as there are no alternatives in the OSS space).
Sometimes it takes a company... some times it takes a community.
to fire the dev team after the app is built.
do you actually work in this business or do you just watch movies about asshole bosses? "Built"? did you skip the parts where the software needs to be tested and sold? Do you really think that there "built" means "done" oh but you are not in the business, you are just a stupid troll, so what you think is really irrelevant.
No, it is not "usual" for enterprise software companies to abandon commercial support for a product, fuck-wad.
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Instead of just calling the guy an ignorant jackass, you use the indirect language like "doing X makes you look like a jackass" as if that appeal would make any difference.
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My Java Profiler is really simple:
If you wrote your code in java, and are concerned about performance, you selected the wrong language. Then again, profilers are good for java programmers, who typically still use bubble sort, and need some [lots] of handholding.
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I bet they are all php/python/ruby/nodejs fan boy types who havenâ(TM)t and couldnâ(TM)t build a highly distributed and scalable platform to save themselves.
Pro tip: most massive ecommerce sites use java in one way or another. Lots of large businesses use java because all the other options actually really fucking suck in this space.
Second pro tip: at least java has such tools!
Yes they know, they are hosting a great event every years : Oracle Open World :S
Stock price is meaningless. There are lucky morons who succeed, and geniuses who fail. Having a shitload of heavy handed sales soldiers to get profits up has nothing whatsoever to do with open source strategies. Oracle is a big company, so this suite of Java tools isn't even a bullet point to the Oracle executives and the decision to dump them was undoubtedly made at a middle management level.
"Good" intent aside, these kinds of tools almost always use undisclosed (private) APIs or otherwise reach into the undocumented internals of the systems they're monitoring. I expect this open source code will be a massive boone to hackers wanting to circumvent whatever security Java claims to have these days.
Why? Larry would take the money as more share grants and dividends and still fire the developers.