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Oracle Lays Off Java Mission Control Team After Open Sourcing Product (infoq.com)

Kesha Williams, reporting for InfoQ (shared by numerous readers): The Java Mission Control suite of tools, also known as JMC, was open sourced by Oracle on May 3rd to much applause and excitement from the Java development community. The excitement was replaced with unease as sources reported that the entire JMC development team had been laid off. JMC is a well-known profiling and diagnostics tools suite for the Java Virtual Machine (JVM) primarily targeting systems running in production. It is used by developers to gather detailed low-level information about how the JVM and the Java application are behaving. The official open source announcement came on May 5th from Marcus Hirt, a member of the Java Platform Group at Oracle. "Just wanted to say thank you to everyone who helped open source Java Mission Control in the relatively short period of time it was done in." According to Hirt, the intent behind open sourcing JMC was to provide the community with the opportunity to add new features and capabilities to the tools suite.

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  1. An opportunity missed by Dracolytch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is precisely the kind of product that benefits greatly from corporation / open-source collaboration. A community-centric tool that benefits with having both close ties to the official codebase, and also has a broad population of interested persons providing input, feedback, bugfixes, etc.

    Oracle has bungled, and continues to bungle, both open-source in general, and Java in particular. Despite a 2016 bubble, the long-term decline in popularity of the platform is significant.

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    1. Re:An opportunity missed by Dracolytch · · Score: 2

      The overall Java decline since at least 2002, aside from the 2015/2016 bubble

      https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-in...

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    2. Re:An opportunity missed by Dracolytch · · Score: 4, Informative

      You asked for a source, I showed you a source that showed Java popularity at about half of what it once was.

      I don't have enterprise-specific numbers, but in 2018, the Java job demand is down about 9%
      https://www.codingdojo.com/blo...

      Fewer people are looking for tutorials and information as compared to a year ago
      http://pypl.github.io/PYPL.htm...

      Between 2013 and 2017 Java has seen a 4% decline in popularity
      https://insights.stackoverflow...

      You can call me a troll all you want, but Java has been in decline for a very long time. I'm sure there are areas where it will continue to be viable for the foreseeable future, but to pretend that it's as strong as it was back in it's heyday is just deluding yourself.

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    3. Re:An opportunity missed by Dracolytch · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If it's not compiled in a Java compiler, then it's not Java. Languages like Kotlin and Scala exist PRECISELY because of Oracle's mistreatment/neglect of Java.

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    4. Re:An opportunity missed by molarmass192 · · Score: 2

      Java's a language based on old programming paradigms and it's core purpose for existing (WORA) is gone as a result of Linux owning the datacenter and containerization. I'm relatively well connected to the startup community and I know of exactly zero startups greenfielding backend work on Java out of the ~30 I have insight into. The primary use cases keeping Java popular are Android and AWS. Android is rapidly transitioning to Kotlin and Java running on AWS is actively being replaced by Node and Python. Java will stick around in legacy functions, much like COBOL, so it's not going away, but new development on Java is almost certainly going to continue to decline.

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    5. Re:An opportunity missed by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2

      Kotlin and Scala were created long before Oracle bought Sun.

      Regardless what compiler compiles them, they run on the Java JVM and use the Java Ecosystem like http://apache.org/ and maven central: https://mvnrepository.com/repo...

      Who ever modded you up is an idiot.

      Java is the biggest software ecosystem on the planet, regardless what "language" you use to program for it. A +/- 2% or 4% this year or that year in job search engines or tiobe does not change that. And the next 30 yeas it most likely wont change anyway.

      However, in the US some people think that .NET is an alternative :D good luck ...

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  2. So now I know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...why about 1/3 of the Stockholm dev office was suddenly empty this week. And I had to come here to find out about it. Wow.

  3. Re:Open Source is a Cancer by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2

    Yeah, but at least these developers will be able to continue their development work. They just won't be getting paid for it anymore.

    It would be quite amusing to now see Oracle apply for some H-1Bs for "Java Internals Core Developers" . . .

    . . . claiming that they can't find any US folks for the jobs.

    I'm guessing that the Java Mission Control team somehow pissed off Larry Ellison . . . a very dangerous thing to do . . .

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  4. Re:Open Source is a Cancer by BrookSeaton · · Score: 2

    Lol! If Google paid for its copyright infringement on Java, all of these people would still have their jobs.

  5. Oracle giving the OSS community the finger IMO by Viol8 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Seems to me they're saying "You've been bitching for years that the community can do better, well here you go, knock yourselves out, we're done."

  6. It's not unusual by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    to fire the dev team after the app is built. You hire some folks to do the hard work of building it and then you hire jr code monkeys to maintain it afterwards. Video Games do this. Still, it means Oracle isn't planing any major changes to it (or it means they think they can get by with consultants).

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  7. Re:I don't get it by DarkOx · · Score: 2

    Oracle acquired Sun/Java for two reasons

    1) People still cared about Sun at the time and it was a popular platform for running their database.

    2) Java - they never gave a darn about developing further. They saw it as the next COBOL something that critical stuff was written in that would likely live on for decades. Just minimally supporting it would ensure a continuing lucrative revenue stream for years to come with no effort. Bonus points if they could con the "community" into doing a good deal of the work for them. Which is not say there have not been some good technical improvements in Java under Oracle's rule but a lot of those were why not's borrowed conceptually from other languages and stacks.

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