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Shady ICO Issuers Are Taking 'Bags of Cash' To Border, US Says (bloomberg.com)
A top financial regulator gave a strong warning this week that U.S. scrutiny of initial coin offerings is just getting started. From a report: Securities and Exchange Commission Chairman Jay Clayton, speaking at a conference in New York, said companies raising money through digital-token sales shouldn't have any illusions that the government will treat them differently than firms participating in traditional stock offerings. He added that the market deserves close attention because the SEC has already seen examples of fraudsters fleeing the country after persuading U.S. investors to back their ICOs. "I am not going to change the way we approach the offering and trading of securities as a result of the fact that you put it in the form of a token," Clayton said at the Sandler O'Neill Global Exchange and Brokerage Conference. "I'm protecting the integrity of the market. The behavior we see in this is pretty bad. We've got guys with bags of cash headed to the border. That's not our securities market."
Everyone has a scam but me. Bastards!!
Shady ICO fraudsters are taking bags of cash across the border exactly where now? That sounds risky, somebody might steal their bags.
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
So much for "free market".
Can someone point me towards some info? TIA.
Send this as an anonymous letter to each company raising money, and see what then happens ...
So the regulators are just now waking up to the fact that this ICO explosion is almost entirely scams and money laundering? Are they going to take another two years to actually start prosecuting? This whole situation is completely ridiculous and the government has been sitting on the sidelines going "this is fine".
I read the internet for the articles.
There's a guy in my office whose name is Bill, but he goes by Fun Size. Anyway, Fun Size says a lot of stuff about block chain and ICOs and I usually agree with him. The other day he was telling me that block chains are better than the round ones because he doesn't believe in cutting corners.
The Powerlineblog guys have been running a series of posts about the state of Minnesota getting scammed on reimbursements for phony child care services and cash getting shipped out in bags back to the home countries of the immigrants who are bilking the system. They say it's gotten so bad that people are buying "shares" of fake child care providers in order to participate in the looting, and Minnesota Bureau of Investigation is busily investigating and indicting people.
Ether was introduced with an ICO.
So was it a security? Or "gas" for a crypto-contract platform?
Was it a scam? Probably not.
How will government decide which tokens are securities vs some functional thing or (attempted) currency, e.g. what about stable coins?
Is it going to be arbitrary, with a few grandfathered lucky winners that got through before the regulations, or are the regulations going to be updated to handle the subtleties of the crypto-token economy? I mean bitcoins are tokens just as much as anything else is; that is, a unique and hard to forge bitstring with some external respresentational significance?
What should the principles and distinctions for regulation really be?
Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?
Are (any) fiat-currency and (any) cryptocurrency really equivalent, as cryptocurrency fans claim?
For example, US Dollar and Bitcoin are really equals?
Value/validity/authorization of US dollar is provided/guaranteed by US Government (and in-turn whole US Public)!
Also, not to mention, US Dollars in any US Bank is insured by US Government!
What authorization/guarantee/insurance is behind Bitcoin? Nothing!
Sorry but that is the end of discussion then!
Why do you think Satoshi Nakamoto is really hiding his identity, if Bitcoin is really such a great innovation?
He is just someone does not like media/fan attention?
Or, could it be really because Bitcoin (and all cryptocurrencies followed it) are actually Ponzi Schemes?
(So he knew very well that law enforcement would come after him sooner or later?!)
If so-called cryptocurrencies are really good innovation, why they attract so many criminals/criminal activity?
Could it really be because, all cryptocurrencies themselves are scams, and that is why they attract all kinds of criminals/criminal activity?
If so-called cryptocurrencies are really currency, why no company/store can use Bitcoin as currency anymore?
Because the price of Bitcoin proved to be extremely unstable to use as a currency?
Would the result be different, if Bitcoin replaced by any other "cryptocurrency"?
Aren't all work the same way?
If so-called cryptocurrencies are really money; isn't people issuing their own money, illegal already, in all countries?
If so then, why they are still not banned in all countries?
Or, they are not actually virtual currency but virtual investment?
But, if they are actually investment, why we need/want them?
What would happen to world economy, if people invested in virtual investments, instead of real investments?
Or, all so-called cryptocurrencies are actually just a modified (made decentralized and paying variable interest) Ponzi Schemes?
(Price of cryptocurrencies would keep increasing in the long term (by their design), so it is equivalent of paying variable interest to all long term investors.)
Also, since all so-called cryptocurrencies are actually financial scams (Ponzi Schemes), that means, they cannot be the solution for any of existing financial problems of our world!
As more and more people invest in cryptocurrencies, it will become harder and harder to ban their trading everywhere (because people invested in cryptocurrencies, would try to stop anyone trying to ban cryptocurrencies)!
All cryptocurrencies need to be banned globally before it is too late!
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Bitcoin is not much better than some guy fleeing to Mexico with your money.
Are (any) fiat-currency and (any) cryptocurrency really equivalent, as cryptocurrency fans claim?
For example, US Dollar and Bitcoin are really equals?
The example is cherry picked to try and make your case. No, I don't think they are really equals...
But you started with the more generic concept asking if ANY fiat-currency and crypto-curency are equal.
Well then, please explain to use why you think Bitcoin is inferior to the Venezuelan bolivar...
The truth is that some crypto-currencies are very much worth more than fiat-currencies, and are substantially more stable.
The truth is that fiat currencies at this point operate almost as much on shared belief as any crypto-currency.
The truth is that fiat and major crypto currencies are all backed up to one degree or another by large holders of same, who will not let the value fall below a certain amount... it is weaker crypto (and real) currencies that lack that backing that become scams and disasters.
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Financial companies are only allowed to defraud the public insofar as they support political campaigns. Plain old fraud will not be tolerated!
Securities and Exchange Commission Chairman Jay Clayton, speaking at a conference in New York, said that random dudes raising money through digital-token sales shouldn't have any illusions that the government will treat them differently than firms participating in traditional pyramid schemes. He added that the market deserves close attention because the SEC has already seen examples of fraudsters fleeing the country after persuading random internet morons to give them money.
"I'm protecting the integrity of the market. The behavior we see in this is pretty bad. We've got guys with bags of cash headed to the border. That's not our securities market."
Uh huh, sure. True securities market guys would never head to the border with bags of cash. They fly to the Caymans or Panama after wiring the money there. Duh.
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