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BlackBerry Key2 is the 'Most Secure Android Smartphone', Company Claims (betanews.com)

The Key2 smartphone, which BlackBerry unveiled earlier this week, is the "most secure Android smartphone," the Canadian company claims. Brian Fagioli, writing for BetaNews: While BlackBerry no longer makes smartphones, it does license its name to a company called TCL which makes Android devices that carry the branding -- and sometimes, a physical keyboard. It isn't just slapping the BlackBerry name on a random low-quality Android phone, however. Actually, these TCL devices have been fairly well received thanks to an adherence to traditional BlackBerry designs. Today, TCL unveils its latest such smartphone, called "KEY2," and it looks quite nice. In fact, the company says it is "the most secure Android smartphone."

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  1. Careful of boasts by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

    Blackberry: "We have the most secure Android smartphone."
    Hackers: "Challenge accepted"

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    1. Re:Careful of boasts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      “One of our competitors, we call it ‘the other fruit company,'” has an attitude that it doesn’t matter how much it might hurt society, they’re not going to help,” said Chen. “I found that disturbing as a citizen. I think BlackBerry, like any company, should have a basic civil responsibility. If the world is in danger, we should be able to help out.”

      This was the Blackberry CEO shaming Apple for not releasing their customers private keys to their device. Theres no point in jokes when the company itself is a joke.

    2. Re:Careful of boasts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "We have the most absorbant Swiss Cheese available"

    3. Re:Careful of boasts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quite. What good is a private key if it's not private.

      It's a semi private govt may fuck you over, kind of not really private key just waiting for a hacker to exfiltrate the big chest of everyones (duplicated) private key store from manufacturer X (for saving the world, of course), key. Basically, it's worthless for security and encryption.

      So BB are selling a worthlessly secure phone. Nice.

      However, hopefully they'll just fuckup somehow, get hacked, and then all the sheep will realise what's going on.

    4. Re:Careful of boasts by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      The thing is that Apple did help but they did only what they legally could do like handing over all the data Apple had. What they were not going to do was circumvent their own security features and what they designed their system to do was protect their customers.

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  2. I mean thatâ(TM)s great and all by hsmith · · Score: 1

    But literally the lowest bar you have to overcome. Skinniest obese kid, congrats.

    1. Re:I mean thatâ(TM)s great and all by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Not really, no.

      Basic Android is pretty secure these days, with FDE enabled by default. But there is also a market for extra security on top, such as Copperhead OS and Samsung Knox.

      Having another competitor in the market is a good thing.

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  3. Actually, the claim rings true by williamyf · · Score: 4, Informative

    First, TCL+Blackberry=Blackberry mobile.

    Blackberry mobile is one of the few android makers (if not the only one) which assigns a crytpo key *in hardware* to each device to protect it from tampering in the field. They do not use a Vanilla linux kernel, instead opting for a Hardened linux.

    Running Snoopsnitch reveals a very, very green field, meaning that all the patches are "really" applied. And not like some other android phones, which report a patch level, but in reality do not apply the fixes...

    It also has an app called DTEK, which lets you see in depth what your apps are up to.

    More info in this old but still relevant article:

    https://www.engadget.com/2015/...

    Of course, if you do not want a PKB, then you are equaly (or more) secure, and have a longer SW support with an iPhone.

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    1. Re:Actually, the claim rings true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Had Blackberry for a decade but they stopped supporting it and pushed me to Apple. Not going back. RIP Blackberry.

    2. Re:Actually, the claim rings true by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      They're also yet another Chinese company buying up failing western companies to gain market share and making partnerships with other well known companies to push their products with someone else's name on them.

      I find it hard to trust a company that is afraid of branding their products with their own name.

      How is an article from 2015 still relevant?
      Blackberry don't make Blackberry phones anymore. TCL does since buying the name in 2016

    3. Re:Actually, the claim rings true by williamyf · · Score: 1

      How is an article from 2015 still relevant?
      Blackberry don't make Blackberry phones anymore. TCL does since buying the name in 2016

      even the priv from 2015 (featured in the article) was designed by Blackberry in waterloo, canada and built by TCL. Based on that early experience, Blackberry and TCL made an agreement, were Blackberry in Waterloo, canada, Licensed the Brand, patents (PKB among them), manufacturing rights and Worldwide sales (Except for india, malasia and indonesia) to Blackberry Mobile (a division of TCL).

      Blackberry in Waterloo, canada still writes/oversees/customizes the SW for said phones to this day, so TCL is not at liberty to slap any sw they chose on a blackberry phone. If the phone has a blackberry logo, it has to use Blackberry's version of android, brewed in Waterloo, canada (but of course, the phone is manufactured by TCL in china).

      The Keyone, launched in july 2017 was the last phone designed by Blackberry in Waterloo (canada), and again, manufactured by TCL. So, up until may 2018, the article was still relevant... And since the KeyTwo has a version of android developed in Waterloo, canada, chances are the article is still relevant now in june 2018...

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    4. Re:Actually, the claim rings true by Barsteward · · Score: 1

      Hopefully with the EU wanting Google to decouple their apps and let other manufacturers install their stuff instead, maybe we can get back some of the better Blackberry ecosystem. Blackberry seems to be one of the only providers that regularly applies system updates. Samsung seems a bit of a lottery for updates.

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  4. BlackBerry by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 3, Funny

    Maybe it is the most secure, but no one will ever know.

    1. Re:BlackBerry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Maybe it is the most secure, but no one will ever know.

      How do you think they maintain that claim...

  5. Librem 5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm rooting for Purism's Librem 5, but I don't think the hardware specs are going to be competitive. And just as importantly, running their own app store isn't going to cut it; people need to be able to access mainstream apps (from within a sandbox or whatever, but it has to happen). Unless Purism can solve those things, I'm skeptical.

    1. Re: Librem 5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope Librem 5 will collide with Android somehow. I mean I like the libre nature of the Librem 5 and I am all out advocate for FOSS for desktops but a lot of the apps that are designed for mobile are unmaintained garbage or will end up as, it's the same story that killed Windows Phones. Luckily we could hack everything out of it and make it the way we want it to be but I also like some usable mainstream apps to go with it.

  6. It needs a physical switch to disable cams & m by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    Call me when its app security allows disabling network access when I am not manually running the app
    Call me when app permissions has option to provide fake location, contacts, storage, etc so apps will still run but not have access to real data

  7. Sure sure... by XSportSeeker · · Score: 3, Informative

    People have very short term memory, it's like this never happebed at all ever:
    https://www.theverge.com/2016/...

    1. Re:Sure sure... by demon+driver · · Score: 2

      Right.

      And then there was the expensive BlackBerry PRIV which they advertised with the same claim – and which was not only denied the upgrade to Android 7 everybody had reason to expect, no, they also stopped delivering security updates not long after you still could buy a new one.

    2. Re:Sure sure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      To be fair, from day #1 they stated when the update cycle would end. And no promise was made to upgrade to a new version of Android -- just that the existing version would be patched.

      At the very least, you should not complain about them ending updates, when they said they would -- right from the get go. That's a hell of a lot more than most corps disclose.

      Lastly? They did perform an update (outside of their EVERY SINGLE MONTH minimum, support updates) POST expired support cycle.

      Let me guess. You bought a phone, but didn't even read about their update policy? If that's the case, you didn't really care all that much about updates -- certainly not if you assumed anything.

    3. Re:Sure sure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And just to reply, because I can already feel the 'blah blah blah they shouldn't have sold it!' response coming.

      No, sorry, wrong.

      Let's say my PRIV falls into the ocean. If I want a new one -- well then, why not? Because of you, I suppose.

      It isn't like they HID the fact that support would be over soon, unlike some companies that sell and then NEVER update, NEVER disclose.

      There's a big difference between selling and never updating (wtf most manufacturers?!), selling and never disclosing what sort of support you get, and the PRIV -- where one is told the support.

      But you're trying to lump the PRIV into the 'bah' category.

    4. Re:Sure sure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      when my priv dies, I will probably buy another one off ebay

    5. Re: Sure sure... by gatzke · · Score: 1

      Me too. Best phone I have ever had. Keyboard to scroll is awesome. Big screen, great resolution, wonderful phone.

    6. Re:Sure sure... by demon+driver · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You just don't get it. Marketing a smartphone as the most SECURE Android phone in the world is verging on fraud if SECURITY updates stop a few weeks after they sell it to you. What I did read, and what they wrote in their update policy for that matter, is completely irrelevant in that aspect.

    7. Re:Sure sure... by doconnor · · Score: 2

      I got a security update for my (Bell Canada) PRIV a week or two ago.

    8. Re:Sure sure... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Surely it's fraud if it needs security updates, since they are an admission that it's not actually secure.

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    9. Re:Sure sure... by sherr · · Score: 1

      That's not how any software anywhere works, and if someone's telling you otherwise they're lying to you. Flaws are discovered after-the-fact, and they need to be fixed.

  8. Why won't you die already?!?! by eddeye · · Score: 0

    Blackberry needs to just die already. It's set my field back by 10 years.

    We just switched from blackberries (real, honest to god made by RIM ones) to iphones last year. We finally have a modern smartphone with usable apps that doesn't waste half the device on a useless physical keyboard with tiny-ass keys made for a marmoset.

    When I say usable apps, I don't mean nonsense like Waze or Angry Birds. I mean real business productivity apps. Simple things like copying and pasting or opening documents were a royal pain in the ass on actual blackberries.

    I don't care if the new one is Android based. We're still using the blackberry apps on iphone and it's garbage. They can't implement anything properly. It's still a closed ecosystem that doesn't work well with any other apps. The benefit is that at least the basic features provided by Apple (copy/paste, keyboard, etc) aren't under BB's control. And we can go outside the BB apps when needed to get things done. The Android model will probably be locked down so you have to use their cruddy tools for everything.

    This news is just the kind of nonsense that will send our security team scurrying out to buy blackberries once again. Damn you, RIM. Just die already.

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    1. Re: Why won't you die already?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      We finally have a modern smartphone with usable apps that doesn't waste half the device on a useless physical keyboard with tiny-ass keys made for a marmoset.

      Some of us like physical keyboards you insensitive clod!

    2. Re:Why won't you die already?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      rim doesn't exist. the company adopted the blackberry name years ago.

      locked down devices are chosen by companies for a reason: you aren't supposed to fuck with *their* devices. direct your whining at your cto, not at us.

      a true smartphone WITH blackberry's physical keyboard is fucking awesome.

    3. Re:Why won't you die already?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It wasn't Blackberry that set you back 10 years, it was whomever decided to go with the wrong device for your needs that did.

      There are those for whom the physical keyboard or other Blackberry features are still a best fit.

    4. Re:Why won't you die already?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      locked down devices are chosen by companies for a reason: you aren't supposed to fuck with *their* devices. direct your whining at your cto, not at us.

      I don't care if it's locked down. I care that it's usable. That bb shit doesn't even do what it's supposed to do well. A true blight on the phone industry.

      a true smartphone WITH blackberry's physical keyboard is fucking awesome.

      It's fucking something all right. Not awesome though. What's the word? Oh yeah - you over.

    5. Re:Why won't you die already?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, I realize that the gays don't like physical keyboards.

    6. Re: Why won't you die already?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quit living in the past, dude. Doesn't matter what it was like 10 years ago, or who got where first. Only where they are today. And today, bb sucks.

  9. Re:The most secure Android smartphone by rtkluttz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Both are equally insecure. When the owner of the device isn't the one in control of the security landscape then the OS itself is malware.

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  10. The company also claims.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..the most honest and trustworthy marketing department.

  11. TCL by scourfish · · Score: 1

    I have a TCL television, and when it's connected to the internet, it used screenshots of whatever youtube video I'm watching to serve up ads on the TV. It was so annoying that I stopped using the built in Roku component of the TV. I'm willing to concede that it might be the Roku side of things, and not the TCL side, however it does leave a layer of skepticism.

  12. Red Bull movable feast by epine · · Score: 1

    Blackberry: "We have the most secure Android smartphone."
    Hackers: "Challenge accepted"

    Well, yes, adenoidal teenagers think this whole thing is a giant game of capture the flag FTW!

    But real security is a complex economic trade-off between the cost of the attack, the value of the attack, and the law of supply and demand (one corner of which concerns the long-term warehousing of former teenagers who outlived their long-arm-of-the-law immortality halo).

    Challenge accepted by the Red Bull movable feast of the socially naive with mad hacking skilz and dark horse omenz to parlay into the Forty Year Old Virgin's tragically unhip middle-aged, free-society business acumen.

    1. Re: Red Bull movable feast by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Why do people hack anything? In the case of current smart phones one primary motive is money. Does Blackberry have enough of a market share for hackers to consider? No.

      Another is the for the sake of it. All Blackberry has done with that kind of statement is paint a big target on them.

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  13. The most secure of all broken cryptos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that is an essential equivalent to what they're saying. Android is not secure, period.

  14. Isn't this the same Blackberry by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    Who's CEO argued phones having backdoors was a good thing? No thanks, you're the last group of people I want anywhere near my data.

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  15. Yeah ... I believe you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Saying that ANYTHING using Android is secure is like claiming that a house is super secure because the doors and windows are made out of thin paper.

  16. But it's an Android and ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But it's an Android and that in itself means it is NOT secure. Android is a work in-progress that is has more holes and bugs that it will be at least 10 more years before they can claim that there is ANYTHING close to a secure Android device.

  17. Too bad no one cares by bravecanadian · · Score: 1

    About security, or BlackBerry.

  18. Re: The most secure Android smartphone by saloomy · · Score: 1

    That's not always the case. How many users do you know that turn off firewalls and disable scans on their desktop because it "slows down everything"? In Corporate IT, it happens a lot. If you were right, users, not tech suppliers would be in control.

    In the consumer world, we leave it to our suppliers to take those precautionary steps for us.

    In Apple's case, security is equivalent to privacy, even from them.

    However, if google knows where you are, or can serve up more relevant ads (and in some cases, results), and they don't see this as a security issue. After all you aren't losing anything. When you go to Google Search and you search for an error message when troubleshooting, your location doesn't matter. When you search for restaurants serving Sushi, it does. Yet every time, google ask you where you are.

    Apple see this as invasion of privacy, and insecure. Google see this as better service delivery (which includes "relevant" ads).

    As far as Blackberry is concerned, security is limited only by which foreign sovereign wants in to your messages and data.

  19. Secure & Android :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Secure and Android don't go together :) .

  20. This is just sad by mohsel · · Score: 1

    I have been a happy Blackberry user for years.

    The BlackBerry Passport is the best phone i ever used, the user experience of the UI and the interactions over the OS (under QNX) are amazing, the physical keyboard is great to with the gesture recognition or whatever they call it, let alone the Hub that should be a standard on every "smart" phone.

    I had high hopes for the blackberry OS after the version 10 i still don't understand why they are letting that platform die, they should've opensourced it so people can maintain it and they would still make and sell hardware. it's just sad.

  21. Re: The most secure Android smartphone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    CopperheadOS is exactly that, you must painstakingly build everything from source. On top of that by default F-Droid is the only app store thus reducing dependency to closed source applications. IDK of any mobile OS that can top CopperheadOS not even Apple themselves can level the privacy and security of CopperheadOS yet remaining open source.

  22. Re: The most secure Android smartphone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FWIW antivirus software isn't the most effective first line of defense. Upgrading your router, fixing DNS server, and firewall is where real the security is. Even for a normal family household adding Pihole to the network is a huge huge security upgrade not only it will block all the junk of the internet(ads) before anyone can even download crap to their devices Pihole has already block DNS request to those malicious sites. And as a bonus you will save a lot of internet bandwidths from not loading ADS thus making your internet faster.

  23. Re:The most secure Android smartphone by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    But it's still Android, so it's less secure than the iPhone.

    That's what I came to say...