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The CIA 'Can Neither Confirm Nor Deny' It Has Documents on Satoshi Nakamoto (vice.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: Who is Satoshi Nakamoto? Ever since this pseudonymous person or group unleashed Bitcoin on the world in 2008, Nakamoto's real identity has been one of the biggest mysteries in the cryptocurrency world. And based on a response to my recent Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request, if the CIA knows anything, it's not talking. [...] In 2016, Alexander Muse, a blogger who mostly writes about entrepreneurship, wrote a blog post that claimed the NSA had identified the real identity of Satoshi Nakamoto using stylometry, which uses a person's writing style as a unique fingerprint, and then searched emails collected under the PRISM surveillance program to identify the real Nakamoto. Muse said the identity was not shared with him by his source at the Department of Homeland Security. [...] I figured it couldn't hurt to ask some other three-letter agencies what they know about Nakamoto. [...] I received a terse reply that informed me that "the request has been rejected, with the agency stating that it can neither confirm nor deny the existence of the requested documents."

66 comments

  1. Insider Trading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stay quiet, it's the perfect way to keep on manipulating the market to your advantage.

    Yup, the CIA can now finance their black ops with crypto currency market manipulation.

    1. Re:Insider Trading by Z00L00K · · Score: 2

      And if they know who he is - what can they do about him? Especially if he didn't commit a crime.

      Sometimes you just know stuff that you don't know what to do with but you don't want to reveal what you know because one day you may need it.

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    2. Re:Insider Trading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The trend with Bitcoin seems to be to make it criminal and punish it...after the fact. So I imagine the CIA could be arresting him at a future date, just because they are pissed at him.

  2. Standard party line... by bobbied · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you ask then if the world is flat or if UFO's exist, you will get the same answer. It's the standard party line for any questions of substance.

    The whole point of this is to not provide any information, including information about the existence or non-existence of information. So this answer means literally nothing....

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    1. Re:Standard party line... by squiggleslash · · Score: 1
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    2. Re:Standard party line... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah this article is completely meaningless. "BREAKING NEWS: Nothing!"
      I guess that's not too different from the majority of "news" I see though.

      "You won't believe what happened next!"....

    3. Re:Standard party line... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If asked, I bet they wouldn't even confirm or deny if the sun was going to rise in the east tomorrow.

    4. Re:Standard party line... by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      If you ask then if the world is flat or if UFO's exist, you will get the same answer.

      They do actually answer if the world is flat. They publish maps of and general facts about countries/territories/areas. Think census/atlas level information. It's mostly so they don't have to keep responding to other government agencies for non-classified things (I guess there's a regulation to use CIA data for some reports/purposes).

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    5. Re:Standard party line... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >If you ask then if the world is flat or if UFO's exist, you will get the same answer.

      No, you won't. https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/search/site/ufo

    6. Re:Standard party line... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's the standard party line for any questions of substance.

      Trump is for def' a Russian spy, though.

    7. Re: Standard party line... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As to the thumb drive with the genesis blocks and the first million bitcoins, they have Top Men working on it. Top. Men.

    8. Re:Standard party line... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you ask then if the world is flat or if UFO's exist, you will get the same answer. It's the standard party line for any questions of substance.

      The whole point of this is to not provide any information, including information about the existence or non-existence of information. So this answer means literally nothing....

      What if the world is flat and placed upon a giant UFO. This UFO could then be piloted by Satoshi and the real crypto inventor could be the UFO's onboard AI?

  3. CIA or NSA by gavron · · Score: 1

    The NSA has uncovered Satoshi... so the FOIA request should have gone to them.
    Why send it to an unrelated agency?

    E

  4. Re:Standard party line... UFOs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rimwad.

  5. but they have by slashmydots · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Except that they do and they already did confirm it. They analyzed all his writing and compared it to all public posts on online forums etc and found out who he is. This information was already made public.

    1. Re:but they have by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      Yes, as it turns out MsMash is really Satoshi Nakamoto.

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    2. Re:but they have by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      M'Smash is a very short shell script. And a poorly written one at that.

    3. Re:but they have by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Yep. Unfortunately, it turns out he's D. B. Cooper.

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    4. Re:but they have by ISayWeOnlyToBePolite · · Score: 3, Informative

      Except that they do and they already did confirm it. They analyzed all his writing and compared it to all public posts on online forums etc and found out who he is. This information was already made public.

      Care to provide a link?

      What I remember is a similar story but it was a journalist who claimed that a DHS source told him that the NSA had identified Satoshi with a "fingerprint" of the texts.
      Link to slashdot story: https://tech.slashdot.org/stor...

    5. Re:but they have by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He should go away or we'll replace him with a very small shell script.....

    6. Re:but they have by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure the pseudonym is a group of individuals. The posting of original documents happened at all hours and not a pattern typical of a single person.

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    7. Re: but they have by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's funny that you think that regular sleep-wake cycles are a significant criteria - people get into manic, disruptive patterns, especially when they're completely subsumed in a huge intellectual project. 2-3 hours of sleep, here and there, then the obsession locks in and they're off to the races.

      Japanese otaku, gamers everywhere, lawyers, research scientists, programmers - there are all sorts of sub-groups of people whose sleep cycles are all over the place, and with a protect the scope of bitcoin, it's easy to imagine the passion and intensity of its creator. Optimally healthy sleep patterns kinda lose significance in the face of revolutionary development.

    8. Re:but they have by ISayWeOnlyToBePolite · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure the pseudonym is a group of individuals. The posting of original documents happened at all hours and not a pattern typical of a single person.

      I believe "fingerprinting" techniques at least similar to the one the NSA is said to have used have been published, so if there is enough text available your hypothesis might be verifiable by iterating over selected groups of the texts.

    9. Re: but they have by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's funny that you think that regular sleep-wake cycles are a significant criteria - people get into manic, disruptive patterns, especially when they're completely subsumed in a huge intellectual project. 2-3 hours of sleep, here and there, then the obsession locks in and they're off to the races.

      Japanese otaku, gamers everywhere, lawyers, research scientists, programmers - there are all sorts of sub-groups of people whose sleep cycles are all over the place, and with a protect the scope of bitcoin, it's easy to imagine the passion and intensity of its creator. Optimally healthy sleep patterns kinda lose significance in the face of revolutionary development.

      All of the people you have described are suffering from obvious mental illness, and their worthless products should be mocked, ignored and destroyed. Why would you think differently?

  6. snowden docs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hmm, I wonder if Satoshi Nakamoto's name appears anywhere in the trove of Snowden docs. Too bad only a fraction of the estimated total have been released by oligarch Pierre Omidyar's toady gatekeeper, Glenn Greenwald. Maybe we'll know in about 25 years or so.

  7. This is silly by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

    And if you were to file a FOIA request, asking the CIA if they had any documents related to Daniel Oberhaus (the author of this silly story) - you would get the exact same response.

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    1. Re:This is silly by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Chalk this up to some millenial wasting taxpayers money so we could write something in his blog.

    2. Re:This is silly by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

      And if you were to file a FOIA request, asking the CIA if they had any documents related to Daniel Oberhaus (the author of this silly story) - you would get the exact same response.

      One would hope this incident would be in the file even if nothing else was.

    3. Re:This is silly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if you were to file a FOIA request, asking the CIA if they had any documents related to Daniel Oberhaus (the author of this silly story) - you would get the exact same response.

      One would hope this incident would be in the file even if nothing else was.

      But the CIA would neither confirm or deny it, so like Schrodinger's cat, until you know for sure, you must assume this incident is both in and not in the file.

    4. Re:This is silly by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      Exactly. The reason they neither confirm or deny everything is because it makes everything equally uncertain. If they only said it about things they wanted to keep secret then that would reveal what they want to keep secret.

    5. Re:This is silly by oh-dark-thirty · · Score: 1

      That is the same response I received when I filed a request for my own data, which is all they will ever say about anyone.

    6. Re:This is silly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty sure bitcoin is a NSA invention to track hackers and other nefarious actors. Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies contain an NSA backdoor.

    7. Re: This is silly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup, probably. For values of 'NSA' that potentially include any of the major global powers' intelligence agencies.

  8. Re: Because selling cocaine is hard? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Listen to yourself.

    Billionaires dont stop their revenue streams just cuz, and neither does the CIA.

    Bitcoin is a Chinese scheme to steal western money while wasting western resources: win-win for the planet destroying small penis Chinese!

  9. killed by geekymachoman · · Score: 1

    Probably "neutralized" him already...

    For their corporate/bank bosses.

  10. CIA = a bunch of greedy sperm swallowers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    CIA are a bunch of greedy sperm swallowers. It's okay though. Hacker underground networks know who Satoshi is - He is the NSA. Luckily their entire precious CIA was infiltrated and all of their most sensitive information about the world is in hacker underground network hands now, and has been for quite some time. Their entire shit is still backdoored lolololol.

    Too bad the dick lickers at the CIA are so greedy. They think they can actually use tax dollars to horde info and tell nobody nothing. Hacker undergrounds are merely taking back the information that was gathered and spied on using tax dollars, and putting it back in the rightful hands of the public.

  11. Re:Standard Republican party line... by bobbied · · Score: 1

    "Collusion isn't even illegal, so what if he colluded?"

    Some kinds of collusion is most certainly illegal... But the illegal versions of this activity usually involves having competitors discussing how to price their products amongst themselves in an effort to avoid having to compete or agreeing to some legal action in order to take advantage of a third party. At most other times, the crime called conspiracy is what most folks are talking about when they discuss collusion.

    Collusion (private agreements between parties unknown to a third) are actually common and legal in many situations. Often this is true for commissioned sales and many service industries. One that may surprise you is Health Insurance, where the agreements between your insurance company and your doctor are not yours to see.

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  12. I am by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I am Satoshi Nakamoto.

    1. Re:I am by quenda · · Score: 1

      I am Satoshi Nakamoto!

    2. Re:I am by johnsie · · Score: 1

      I am Satoshi Nakamoto.

    3. Re: I am by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      Will the real Satoshi Nakamoto please stand up?

    4. Re: I am by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hurrdurr, the eeny weeny tiny peeny knows a white rapper lyric from 20 years ago

  13. I hate this phrase. by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 2

    ... can neither confirm nor deny ...

    Of course they *can*, but they *won't*.

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    1. Re:I hate this phrase. by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      ... can neither confirm nor deny ...

      Of course they *can*, but they *won't*.

      Would you prefer, "well, we could tell you, but then we'd have to shoot you"???

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    2. Re:I hate this phrase. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, they can't. They're prohibited by law from doing so. The reason was likely for one or more of the following exemptions.
      Exemption 1: classified national defense and foreign relations information
      Exemption 2: internal agency rules and practices
      Exemption 3: information that is prohibited from disclosure by another federal
      law
      Exemption 4: trade secrets and other confidential business information
      Exemption 5:inter-agency or intra-agency communications that are protected by
      legal privileges
      Exemption 6: information involving matters of personal privacy
      Exemption 7:records or information compiled for law enforcement purposes, to
      the extent that the production of those records (A) could reasonably be expected
      to interfere with enforcement proceedings, (B) would deprive a person of a right
      to a fair trial or an impartial adjudication, (C) could reasonably be expected to
      constitute an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy, (D) could reasonably be
      expected to disclose the identity of a confidential source, (E) would disclose
      techniques and procedures for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions, or
      would disclose guidelines for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions, or
      (F) could reasonably be expected to endanger the life or physical safety of any
      individual
      Exemption 8: information relating to the supervision of financial institutions
      Exemption 9:geological information on wells

  14. I confirm and deny I am santoshi by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    I am Spartacus. I am batman. But my secret identity is Santoshi

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    1. Re:I confirm and deny I am santoshi by q_e_t · · Score: 1

      I am Spartacus. I am batman.

      I am the walrus co-co-cachoo

  15. Re:Standard Republican party line... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Collusion isn't even illegal, so what if he colluded?" - Vlad Giuliani

    "We'll stop it" - Vlad Strzok

    And unlike your fantasy, that actually happened.

    So GO FUCK YOURSELF, you shit-for-brains Russian oligarch->Uranium One->Clinton Foundation->paid-for-internet-troll.

  16. All cryptocurrencies are scams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are (any) fiat-currency and (any) cryptocurrency really equivalent, as cryptocurrency fans claim?
    For example, US Dollar and Bitcoin are really equals?
    Value/validity/authorization of US dollar is provided/guaranteed by US Government (and in-turn whole US Public)!
    Also, not to mention, US Dollars in any US Bank is insured by US Government!
    What authorization/guarantee/insurance is behind Bitcoin? Nothing!
    Sorry but that is the end of discussion then!

    Why do you think Satoshi Nakamoto is really hiding his identity, if Bitcoin is really such a great innovation?
    He is just someone does not like media/fan attention?
    Or, could it be really because Bitcoin (and all cryptocurrencies followed it) are actually Ponzi Schemes?
    (So he knew very well that law enforcement would come after him sooner or later?!)

    If so-called cryptocurrencies are really good innovation, why they attract so many criminals/criminal activity?
    Could it really be because, all cryptocurrencies themselves are scams, and that is why they attract all kinds of criminals/criminal activity?

    If so-called cryptocurrencies are really currency, why no company/store can use Bitcoin as currency anymore?
    Because the price of Bitcoin proved to be extremely unstable to use as a currency?
    Would the result be different, if Bitcoin replaced by any other "cryptocurrency"?
    Aren't all work the same way?

    If so-called cryptocurrencies are really money; isn't people issuing their own money, illegal already, in all countries?
    If so then, why they are still not banned in all countries?

    Or, they are not actually virtual currency but virtual investment?
    But, if they are actually investment, why we need/want them?
    What would happen to world economy, if people invested in virtual investments, instead of real investments?

    Or, all so-called cryptocurrencies are actually just a modified (made decentralized and paying variable interest) Ponzi Schemes?
    (Price of cryptocurrencies would keep increasing in the long term (by their design), so it is equivalent of paying variable interest to all long term investors.)

    Also, since all so-called cryptocurrencies are actually financial scams (Ponzi Schemes), that means, they cannot be the solution for any of existing financial problems of our world!

    As more and more people invest in cryptocurrencies, it will become harder and harder to ban their trading everywhere (because people invested in cryptocurrencies, would try to stop anyone trying to ban cryptocurrencies)!
    All cryptocurrencies need to be banned globally before it is too late!

  17. So if I am reading between the lines correctly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This Satoshi Nakamoto is actually an alias for one of the U.S.'s 3 letter organizations and block chain and the resulting crypto currency were actually created by the U.S. government for various ends,

  18. Stupid Article by dcw3 · · Score: 1

    The CIA would respond the same way no matter who this FOIA was requested for. Why is this even here?

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  19. Protected Status by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If such a person exists, may the forever remain unknown. If discovered, he/she would become the target of kidnapping or terrorism - as criminals attempt to extort or steal coins or information.
    Protect those who can not defend themselves.

  20. vice is garbage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is this what we call journalism these days?

  21. Central Intelligence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    CIA is Satoshi. Just look up what the words mean in Japanese.

    1. Re:Central Intelligence by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      satoshi: intelligence, knowledge, widsom, smart
      naka: center, middle
      moto: origin, root

      Nice one.

  22. Re:Standard Republican party line... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You get to watch Trump die in Federal Prison, a traitor, next to his bitch beta sons and feckless cunt of a dopey daughter he never got the chance to fuck. Enjoy, faggo-nazi! You deserve what you get - raped repeatedly, in prison! Ready?

    GET READY.

  23. Re: Standard Republican party line... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Except when it comes to state funded collusion due to sovereign immunity... Sort of like OPEC are a cartel involved in price fixing oil.

  24. not THE Satoshi Nakamoto by OutOnARock · · Score: 1

    It's "A" Satoshi Nakamoto

    "A", "S", "N"

    backwards: N S A

    spooky

  25. Re: Standard Republican party line... by negRo_slim · · Score: 1

    /. shitposting has gotten so stale over the years.

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  26. Conspiracy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If this guy was named Gerald Brooks, I reckon there'd be less intrigue.

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  28. Re: Standard Republican party line... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump Derangement Syndrome sufferers sure do love the police state.

  29. Plot twist... by jroysdon · · Score: 1

    Plot twist: Satoshi Nakamoto is really the CIA, the same as all major TOR nodes. Yup, totally anonymous, no one knows who you are or what you're doing.

  30. Just satisfying their own curiosity? by John+Jorsett · · Score: 1

    I've noticed that whatever the spy agencies like the CIA and NSA come up with, it appears to be Write Only information. Nobody else in government seems to be able to get any of their work product. For example, presumably they collected Hillary's emails, just like they have everyone else's, yet when she claimed to have destroyed all the "personal" ones, nobody said, "Hey, let's see if the NSA has them".

  31. he's dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was told there has been no activity on S. Nakamoto's account for 8 years or so. Anybody really know anything?