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Facebook Groups May Soon Charge Monthly Subscription Fees For Access (theverge.com)

Facebook announced today in a blog post that group administrators can start charging $4.99 to $29.99 a month for exclusive membership in certain groups. "Parenting, cooking, and home cleaning groups will be the first ones to get the new feature as part of an early test," reports The Verge. From the report: As it stands now, free groups will remain intact, but they will soon have the option to launch premium sub-groups. For instance, lifestyle blogger Sarah Mueller's Declutter My Home group is starting an Organize My Home group that costs $14.99 a month to join. And the Grown and Flown Parents group is making a College Admissions group that charges $29.99 for access to college counselors. Facebook says the new feature is so that group admins, who put a lot of time and dedication to growing their communities, can also earn money at the same time. The company also says admins could take the money they earn to create higher-quality content for the group as well, whether that be more posts, videos, or offline meet-ups and events. Facebook reportedly won't be getting a cut of the subscription fees.

78 comments

  1. But... by Q-Hack! · · Score: 1

    I want my free FB with no ads and no collection of my data.

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    Some days I get the sinking feeling Orwell was an optimist.
    1. Re:But... by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      I got bad news for you, son..

    2. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is great news!
      FB's gonna pay between U.S. $4.99 to $29.99 to each subscriber
      as payment for the ad revenue they're receiving from sharing personal
      photos, deep inspection of messages, and links to friends and family.
      I can't say anything more then it's about time!!!!

      I always knew Gates was a good gut deep down...

      CAP === 'realigns' BTW, what the hell is a real-igns?

    3. Re:But... by Riceballsan · · Score: 1

      host a diaspora server. Lucky for you "other people using it" enough users to be worth doing anything on, wasn't among your requirements.

    4. Re:But... by q4Fry · · Score: 1

      I want my
      I want my
      I want my MTV.

  2. Let me get this straight: by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 5, Informative
    You people are having all your very personal data scraped, surveiled, logged, analyzed, categorized, profiled, and sold to whoever can pay Zuckerberg for it, and on top of that you're going to pay for access to parts of Facebook?

    My sides, they're exploding, I'm laughing so hard!

    I seriously hope you guys don't do this.

    1. Re:Let me get this straight: by Kulahan · · Score: 1

      While I agree at the ridiculousness of this... Apparently Facebook won't be getting a cut of this money? That's blowing my MIND. I can't imagine a bigger missed opportunity. Billions of users, probably tens of millions of groups (if not hundreds of millions). If even a small percentage of them charge just $5 to everyone who wants to be a member... scraping a few cents or even a buck here and there would be a big cashflow, and it would help inject more sustainability into the company's income model. Like what the hell? lol

    2. Re:Let me get this straight: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I remember the cable TV promise. 'no commercials'

      Now you pay for the commercials and the profiling.

      I suspect the value proposition is not that good with facebook these days. You *might* have been able to charge a few years ago. Now not so much. I have a couple hundred 'friends' on that site. It is a ghost town. Maybe 2 or 3 dominate what is said anymore. People are dropping the platform and only keeping a few bits they like.

    3. Re:Let me get this straight: by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      They don't need to do anything as ham-fisted and obvious as taking a cut off the top, they're getting everyone's Very Much Personal Data for whatever 'interest' the group they're paying to be in features, and I can guarantee you that gets ZuckerBook more money than these 'group operators' will charge.

    4. Re:Let me get this straight: by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      Also, consider this: If someone is willing to PAY to use some part of Facebook because it's some membership-only group with a specific focus, then the data that ZuckerBook can steal from that will be even higher-quality and higher-density data than the usual drivel that the average ZuckerBook fool gives away, so theoretically ZuckberBook can charge even more money for that data when they sell it to the FSB in Moscow.

    5. Re:Let me get this straight: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I seriously hope you guys don't do this.

      How can you have any faith in your countrymen left? Honestly!

    6. Re:Let me get this straight: by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      A 'person' can be smart. 'People' are dumb panicky animals, and you damned well know it.

    7. Re:Let me get this straight: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Goodbye FaceTube and LinkedBook!
      and YouBing!
      and Netscrape!
      and Silicon Gropics!
      You fuckers!
      I bought your stock!!!!!!

    8. Re:Let me get this straight: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They'll get their cut eventually (and will data mine everything until then and afterwards). Right now they're trying to corner the market to kill off competitors before they become a large threat.

      There are some communities I'd like to join but they only host themselves through Facebook. The more people who do that, the more other people will need to use Facebook. And once you're on one part of Facebook, you'll stick around longer on other parts as well. Since admins can now earn money through the groups, more and more will move to Facebook so they'll no longer have to deal with the hassle of maintaining a separate subscription website. Facebook makes everything easy. Managing your own stuff, especially if you aren't computer savvy, can easily become a nightmare. I blame us software engineers for that. Software is almost always a pain to install and maintain, and the easy-to-install SW tends to be worse since when something goes wrong there's no help. Everyone will say "is should just work. Try again."

      In summary, Facebook will wait until it has a bigger share of the private groups market before adding a small % fee. No one will leave because by then they're relying on that groups income and can't risk losing it. And Facebook will get that bigger share because we're too lazy to create quality end-user software that plays nice with the user and other software. In the mean time, more people will be 'forced' to spend more time on Facebook as their communities turn into Facebook communities out of greed for subscription fees and easy management.

      In summary of the summary, why are you wasting your time reading about social media. Go do something productive.

    9. Re:Let me get this straight: by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      We need a new jump-the-shark metaphor.

      I know!! When Facebook Started Charging for Group Access!! YAY!

      This is an unveiled way to mollify the EU, whose print publishers and site mavens want a cut of the action and therefore are attempting to throw copyright link blocks.

      This is Facebook giving them a taste of the action.

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    10. Re:Let me get this straight: by Kjella · · Score: 1

      You people are having all your very personal data scraped, surveiled, logged, analyzed, categorized, profiled, and sold to whoever can pay Zuckerberg for it, and on top of that you're going to pay for access to parts of Facebook?

      You're looking at it wrong. Facebook is giving "everyone" the chance to set up their own little pay-walled content. If you're the NYT you can set up your own site and your own paywall, but it's a pretty big leap for your typical Facebook group owner. It's expenses you can't recover if your premium content out to not be very popular. And you don't get Facebook's group functionality out of the box either. If you're a content creator it looks like a pretty sweet deal, Facebook is giving away a lot for "free". Their reasons are obvious. The users? I think they could get access to a "long tail" of niche content that wouldn't otherwise be made. Of course it'd only be for Facebook members, which could be really bad if you don't want to be one and this catches on. But I guess that describes Facebook in the first place...

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    11. Re:Let me get this straight: by raind · · Score: 1

      Not only that but pay FB for a group about declutter my home ? LOL ..those peeps may need more help than that!

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    12. Re:Let me get this straight: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's even more funny is: they act like this was never going on in the first place. Every social media site does this. They track you and sell (hopefully) only non-private info so advertisers can target your "group" better. It's not entirely their fault, either: people are dumb enough to put that information on the web.

      Of course they are going to make massive amounts of money off of it. It's a goldmine of data they are just handed for very little reason.

    13. Re:Let me get this straight: by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      You people are having all your very personal data scraped, surveiled, logged, analyzed, categorized, profiled, and sold to whoever can pay Zuckerberg for it, and on top of that you're going to pay for access to parts of Facebook?

      In a world where people pay to install little surveillance devices in their houses - think Echo or Google home - it isn't too surprising that they would pay Facebook.

      Imagine the intense orgasm that outfits like Cambridge Analytica would have over access to the data from that group of paying tools. And make no mistake, CA was just the group stupid enough to get caught.

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    14. Re:Let me get this straight: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Facebook won't be taking a cut of this money now. Wait till it gets larger - when millions change hands daily, they'll start 'taxing' it. Possibly followed by governments taxing it too.

    15. Re:Let me get this straight: by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      Making the world better by pay-walling basic forums? "Mr. Zuckerburg...how does this play in with the strategy of connecting the world when you are helping to reverse decades of free information exchange?"

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    16. Re:Let me get this straight: by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      Agreed. This is odd on several fronts and really goes against FaceBook's stated core mission.

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  3. "Free and always will be" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks, Mr. Gowdy!

    1. Re:"Free and always will be" by johnsie · · Score: 1

      fiction

  4. Can I add that $29.99/mo to my student loan? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can I add that $29.99/mo to my student loan?

    1. Re: Can I add that $29.99/mo to my student loan? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      You can even buy cryptocurrency with your student loan!

  5. Pay to have yourself exposed by rojash · · Score: 1

    Which other country gets as much scammed by Nigerians as the US ?? LOL Pay to have yourself exposed now, fools !!

  6. My new hobby: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    * Get a Facebook account purely for 'business' purposes
    * Start some shitty 'group' for something lame and lulzy to attract trolls
    * Group fills up with trolls and their natural prey
    * Start charging $29.99 a month to be in the group
    * Trolls paying to troll, troll-prey paying to be troll-prey
    * INFINITE MONEYS xD xD xD

    1. Re:My new hobby: by Lab+Rat+Jason · · Score: 4, Funny

      I wish there were mod points for "Troll, but in a good way +1"

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      Which has more power: the hammer, or the anvil?
    2. Re:My new hobby: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I modded you funny for that; the "clever and funny troll" is a lost art of our generation. I would absolutely start two groups: one MAGA, one not so much. Charge people for admission to the cage fight, sit back with my bowl of popcorn, and enjoy retirement.

  7. What are these groups like? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I've never used Facebook, so I have no idea what these groups are like. Are they highly-moderated circle-jerks like Reddit subreddits, StackExchange Q&A sites, or SoylentNews, where free thought is frowned upon and actively punished? If these Facebook groups are like that, then they sound more like TV channels to me, where a small group of 'elites' broadcast their narratives to a larger audience who laps them up without any critical thought. There's no meaningful discussion allowed or possible, making it hard, in my opinion, to consider such groups to be communities of any inherent value.

    1. Re:What are these groups like? by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      Ask a Facebook user, I haven't had an account there in years and years so I have no idea what it even looks like.

    2. Re:What are these groups like? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      where is the censorship at soylent ? it's a bicephal echo chamber but there is no censorship there

    3. Re:What are these groups like? by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      Why would you want them to sense your ship?

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    4. Re: What are these groups like? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty much...
      No admin-blocking, and if they donâ(TM)t like youâ(TM)re opinion, youâ(TM)re banned.

      - Former FB User

    5. Re:What are these groups like? by fafalone · · Score: 2

      Most of them are like that yes; but you're going to find that same situation on any service where the creators of the community control the moderation. On any politically charged issue, or topic prone to groupthink, forget about it. But groups for non-political things have some value. My hometowns Facebook group is very useful for finding out about and discussing local events. It was especially great during Sandy; by far the most current and detailed news about what was going on, what was open, where the trucks with power outlets were, etc. Then there's my other group connecting the few people playing an old game. Back in college, the groups for student orgs, events, etc, were also of great value.
      Actually, that's a trend. Local groups are generally ok, groups about something highly esoteric are sometimes ok depending on topic, but general interest, highly populated groups are generally shit. Political groups are just like r/The_Donald and /pol/, some of the most deranged morons on the internet.

    6. Re:What are these groups like? by datavirtue · · Score: 2

      It is a mess actually. The moderators on your typical facebook group are not up to the task. In addition, if someone posts something controversial and you take offense, the mods or group owner will ban you immediately to prevent you from complaining. I was in a group for a year or two and I jokingly took offense at a "african boy meme" that someone posted (I forget what the words were). The group owner immediately banned me so that it would be hard for me to complain. I no longer had access to the group or my comments or the comments of others. If I was really upset and wanted to complain to facebook I would have had to contact facebook manually and tried to guide them through the group postings to find the offensive post. If someone does complain about something successfully...your group will most likely be shut down immediately. Saw that happen a few times. I no longer find any value in FB groups. They have taken the basic principles of internet forums and systematically destroyed them on their platform.

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  8. Privacy or free services! by TJHook3r · · Score: 1

    Choose one :) If you're not paying for a product, then you are the product!

    1. Re:Privacy or free services! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hate to break it to you but you're the product even if you pay.

      I can't think of a single paid service that hasn't succumbed to the temptation of selling data.

  9. And another group of people will learn that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    asking people to pay for stuff that can be had for free is an exercise in futility.

    1. Re:And another group of people will learn that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, they will learn that asking people to pay for stuff that can be had for free is quite profitable on Facebook because 99.99% of its users are morons that would happily give their souls to the devil without compensation.

  10. Oh facehook by bobstreo · · Score: 1

    always trying to monetize every part of the pig, including the snout.

  11. What is this Rent a Friend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you so hard up you cannot make friends IRL? You have to pay to talk to disembodied humans online?

    How about getting to know your neighbors.

    Jebus. You freaks are weird.

  12. Facebook needs the cash.... by Streetlight · · Score: 1

    Maybe they need the income to make up for that lost because they aren't selling as much user data to folks who use it for advertising or to others, like Cambridge, to create profiles of users for political targeting.

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  13. Dumb people by DogDude · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We've had newsgroups and email lists that have been 100% free since the start of the Internet. 25ish years later, people are PAYING for these same services, AND are giving the service 100% of their personal data. Wow. You've come a long way, baby!

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    1. Re: Dumb people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only that but the quality of the email lists and USENET was higher than any crap you find on a steaming pile of elephant feces like Facebook.

    2. Re:Dumb people by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      We've had newsgroups and email lists that have been 100% free since the start of the Internet. 25ish years later, people are PAYING for these same services, AND are giving the service 100% of their personal data. Wow. You've come a long way, baby!

      And Facebook is exactly where they went.

      I watched email group after email group die; "hey we're moving to Facebook, everyone!"

      (well, OK, my web dev and programming groups died because of StackExchange, but all the rest of them)

  14. Hehehehe, greed will kill FB by gweihir · · Score: 1

    Fitting. And nothing of value will be lost.

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  15. What a waste of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This would be OK if when accessing those paid groups you wouldn't be fleeced with ads and marketing by Facebook. I doubt that will happen and what exactly do these charges cover? What perks will a paying member of said group get?

    1. Re:What a waste of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What perks will a paying member of said group get?

      Automatic bill payments.

    2. Re: What a waste of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ads?? Never seen one and I use only a basic adblockers.

  16. FB groups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would pay nothing for access to a single group. I might pay for access to X number for a small fee. NO group is worth 30.00
    And I can ubsubscribe for free.

  17. cable TV promise. 'no commercials' not true by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

    Cable tv started as way to pick up OTA TV in areas where they where hard to get. Then super stations showed up with AD's. HBO was and still is ad free.

    Cable networks back in the day had ad's

    1. Re: cable TV promise. 'no commercials' not true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's "ads" and not "ad's". Ads is short for advertisement.

  18. Funnier than Office365 and Javascript! by glitch! · · Score: 1

    When I saw the headline about Office365 being rewritten in Javascript, I thought that was hilarious, the funniest joke/prank in a long time.

    But Facebook selling subscriptions to groups?! THIS is hilarious!

    Now I will keep my eyes open for the story about Stallman rewriting HURD in Rust...

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  19. AOL YOU GOT MAIL !!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    CompuServe returns...

    FaceBook
    to return to
    per MB fees ?

  20. Not I said the Fly by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    No group on FB is worth $4.99/mo IMO

  21. oligarchy by sdinfoserv · · Score: 1

    Absolute proof neither political party is actually "for the people". Our "elected" officials are pawns of the Oligarchy.

  22. CaptainDork as CaptainObvious ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... sees this for what it is:

    People who pay for content are verified consumers of whatever the fuck is related to the special interest group.

    Zuck gonna tell advertisers, "I got a group of suckers, and the price of poker is going up!"

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  23. Shocking! by pubwvj · · Score: 1

    "Facebook reportedly won't be getting a cut of the subscription fees."

    Wow! I'm shocked.

    1. Re:Shocking! by Streetlight · · Score: 1

      That's what they may be saying now. They're not in the business of making money for someone else and not for themselves.

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    2. Re:Shocking! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its probably going to look like:

      Group Admin: "So your saying you won't take a cut of my subscription fees?"
      Facebook: "Yep, its all yours, we are figuratively going to throw money at you"
      Group Admin: "Cool, that is really nice, wow, you are so not Evil Facebook."
      Facebook: "Thanks, we totally aren't, so let us get you setup..."
      Group Admin: "Awesome, this is amazing!"
      Facebook: "Admin Privileges and Facebook Group Hosting cost $299.99 a month (not including applicable taxes and fees), annual prepaid on activation."
      Group Admin: "Errr, what..""
      Facebook: "Your base quote is $3599.88 for the first year, do you have your credit card ready?"

  24. Pay to be spied on by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    Welcome to social media.

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  25. I have an idea by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    Every subscription checkout page should come with a link to Discord since that's where everyone's leaving to anyway if they do this.

  26. Raffle Group Admins - Good News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This could make raffle groups legal. No more shady payments through paypal. Now they get funneled through Facebook as a group subscription. You can give away products to a group of friends legally. It would be a stretch to call it gambling, making the waters even grayer which is good for Admins.

  27. Looks like Patreon is in the firing line by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Facebook is wanting to become a premium content provider, and while they might not be taking a cut of subscriptions it doesn't look like they will be sharing any advertising revenue with the creators. Seems like a good deal for the new players but they will be locked into the facebook system for life.

  28. Paid subscription to funny cat pictures? by thesjaakspoiler · · Score: 1

    That somehow does even sound reasonable.

  29. Yet another reason I never joined FB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They want to pillage my browsing history, then fuck me up the ass and charge me? Nah.
    Never joined, never will.

  30. Owners of dying forums are rejoicing by ayesnymous · · Score: 1

    Most forums have been dying ever since social media took off.

  31. Pray they don't change the deal further by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

    This is great for now... but it will change. They'll take a cut later. They'll be able to threaten the income stream to get compliance from people too. As youtube, they could demonetize it at any time.

    So, Pray they don't change the deal further.

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  32. I have no problem with this... by pantera · · Score: 1

    I don't really see the problem with this, now hear me out.
    1. This is not Facebook charging for all groups, or even Facebook determining which groups do charge. Rather they are giving the option for group admins, which for the most part are private individuals, to charge admission to the group that they run.
    2. To my knowledge there is no way for current group admins to make money directly for all the work they do in their group. Right now they are forced to use referal links to stores or otherwise direct readers to outside websites where the admin makes money off the ads. These methods don't work for all groups.
    3. That leaves two real options for Facebook in tryting to compensate group admins and continue to build robust groups. Either, Facebook gives admins a share of the ad revenue they are making from the pages of the group, or they build another revenue stream for the group.
    4. I actually wouldn't even be too upset if facebook took a small percentage of the charge, 10%. This would give Facebook another none ad revenue stream. Perhaps they could take 5% for regular groups and 10% would allow for an "ad free" group. To me that would make facebook groups an attractive option for my private group.

    Just my 2 c.

    1. Re:I have no problem with this... by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      Your post made me realize that FB admins could monetize using the API already. If someone doesn't pay you can just drop them. Payment would be outside of FB...but not much different and no way for FB to track that you are monetizing.

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  33. So if you're... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not a member you're a member because they track you and build a shadow profile.
    You're addicted.
    They sell your info to partners who do shady things with your info.
    They lose your info.
    They delete your info without asking.
    If you try to leave they nag you and stalk you til you come back.
    Now they're going to charge you for all these great features!

  34. Good by cshark · · Score: 1

    Facebook is wasting too much of my time with nonsense from groups I never subbed to in my feed anyway.
    Totally cool with this.
    I hope they all do it.

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