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SpaceX Wins $130 Million Air Force Launch Contract, Marking a First For Falcon Heavy (geekwire.com)

The U.S. Air Force has awarded a $130 million firm-fixed-price contract to SpaceX for the launch of its classified AFSPC-52 satellite on a Falcon Heavy rocket. From a report: It's the first national security contract won for SpaceX's heavy-lift rocket, which had its first test flight in February. AFSPC-52 is tue to lift off in 2020 from Kennedy Space Center in Florida. The launch will support the Air Force Space Command's "mission of delivering resilient and affordable space capabilities to our nation while maintaining assured access to space," Lt. Gen. John Thompson, Air Force program executive officer for space and commander of the Space and Missile Systems Center, said today in a news release. In an emailed statement, SpaceX President Gwynne Shotwell said her company was "honored by the Air Force's selection of Falcon Heavy to launch the competitively awarded AFSPC-52 mission."

112 comments

  1. Rei going to be jerking it tonight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Drink a lot of water so you don't dehydrate busting all those knuckle babies to your hero.

    1. Re:Rei going to be jerking it tonight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump isn't going anywhere, and Americans weren't poutine-hacked to vote for him - white America loves Trump and choose him over Hilldawg in a fair and free election, administered by Hussein Obongo. Or are you saying that Hussein Obongo is a Poutine puppet now?

    2. Re:Rei going to be jerking it tonight by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

      Poutine-hacked? Are you saying that Canadians hacked the election to ensure a Trump victory?

    3. Re:Rei going to be jerking it tonight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, just that American liberals are whiny little bitches.

  2. MAGA with American Rocket Engines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    MAGA with American built Rocket Engines!

    1. Re:MAGA with American Rocket Engines by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Air Force"? Don't you mean...Space Force?

    2. Re:MAGA with American Rocket Engines by Brett+Buck · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Probably not by the end of the year.

          Everyone is mocking it, but this has been coming for a long time. Space is already a separate command in the Air Force, formed about 15ish years ago, more-or-less, to consolidate space acquistion (Los Angeles, mostly) and operations (Colordao, mostly). It's a logical development, they really are separate disciplines.

    3. Re:MAGA with American Rocket Engines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I see it along the lines of the relationship the Marine Corps has with the Navy. There is certainly some levels of overlap between the two that keeping them closely related is a good thing, but not TOO closely related.

    4. Re:MAGA with American Rocket Engines by d0rp · · Score: 2

      Was just reading this article earlier today, and it seems to make a lot of sense. We need to A) come up with a plan to protect our satellite infrastructure and B) have MORE cooperation between the various branches of the military (and NOT another branch that will inevitably have different motivators than just supporting the others), so the Space Force is not the answer, but we need to do something.

  3. Nice! by 110010001000 · · Score: 0

    This is a huge win for SpaceX. Everything Musk touches turns to gold. I hear he is going to be building a Hyperloop between NYC and DC soon, and offer rides for a $1 on his LA tunnel.

    1. Re: Nice! by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 1

      I'd rather bet on Elon than someone so full of bits.

    2. Re: Nice! by 110010001000 · · Score: 0

      What are you "betting" on? He is just another scam artist who brought us the lovely Paypal. Remember them? Shady company #1. Now he has baboozled taxpayer money into his newest schemes. The house of cards is falling though.

    3. Re: Nice! by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 2

      I still use Paypal. Never had a problem. The 130 Million is cab fare to space for the government's satellite. What's unfair about charging for the ride? ULA would have charged a lot more.

    4. Re: Nice! by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      ULA STILL charges a lot more. Even with these atlas at 177M, that does not include their yearly ~1B subsidy.

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    5. Re: Nice! by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 3, Informative

      Note also that an Atlas at $177M can lift 4,750â"8,900 kg (10,470â"19,620 lb) to GTO, while a Falcon Heavy at $130M can lift 26,700 kg (58,900 lb) to GTO.

    6. Re: Nice! by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Gosh, I hate Slashdot's handling of Unicode. An Atlas at $177M can lift 4,750-8,900 kg (10,470-19,620 lb) to GTO, while a Falcon Heavy at $130M can lift 26,700 kg (58,900 lb) to GTO.

    7. Re: Nice! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are you "betting" on? He is just another scam artist ...

      Ok, we get it, you hate him for whatever reasons you have. Fine. You're probably about to lose everything because you bet against him. Yeah, yeah, SEC disclosures don't apply to Slashdot. Whatever makes you happy.

      The thing is, when you call him a "scam artist" you seem to be forgetting that he has actually done things. "Scam" or "con" artists tend to take the money and run so that label really doesn't apply. No matter how much hate in you that makes you want to think it's true - it simply is not.

      Besides making me laugh whenever one of your posts makes it to +2, nothing you say is worth accepting as the basis for any real decision making. You have no credibility. You love to attack Rei, Bruce, et al, but what they say has sound logic and verifiable facts. I don't always agree with them, but they have credibility.

    8. Re: Nice! by TimMD909 · · Score: 2

      I like their implementation. Makes it easy to identify Apple users.

    9. Re: Nice! by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 1

      No Apple was used. Web browser cut and paste only. Web browsers use Unicode.

    10. Re: Nice! by 110010001000 · · Score: 0

      Oh God, not the old "well they are doing it too!" schtick. The point is that SpaceX is out to make a buck of off taxpayers money, like all of Musk's schemes. He isn't a hero or doing anything noble. Tesla is building EVs for the 0.01% while other manufacturers are actually building affordable EVs today. Hyperloop was a scam from the start. Boring company is the same: attempt to extract public money building tunnels for inefficient transportation scheme.

    11. Re: Nice! by Rei · · Score: 5, Informative

      Meanwhile, in the real world, Tesla sells four times more Model 3s in the US each month than the highest selling non-Telsla BEV. But don't worry your head about that. :)

      SpaceX has been, and continues to, save US taxpayers massive amounts of money versus a formerly literal monopoly, ULA.

      Hyperloop is a curious "scam" in that they released Hyperloop Alpha for free and did not attempt to pursue it, let alone raise money off of it. It's part of the long term plans of Boring Company, but low on their priority list.

      Boring Company has no public funding, and has not sought public funding.

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    12. Re: Nice! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like their implementation. Makes it easy to identify Apple users.

      And people in the EU, who want to use the Euro symbol. And Japanese folks who want to use the Yen symbol. Also people in France, with all those letters with hats. Or the Poles, and their tailed Es and stroked-through Ls. And the ...

    13. Re: Nice! by d0rp · · Score: 1

      Tesla is building EVs for the 0.01% while other manufacturers are actually building affordable EVs today.

      Musk's stated goal when creating Tesla was to accelerate the auto industry's switch to electric (since autos are our biggest polluter), and that seems to be what has happened. Before Tesla, none of the auto makers were really serious about EVs and were happy with the status-quo.

    14. Re: Nice! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Before Tesla, none of the auto makers were really serious about EVs and were happy with the status-quo.

      Musk knows how to sell his companies like "disrupting" and himself as a "visionary" very well. That's why he is rich, basically.

      But reality is way far from what you have been told to think about Musk and Tesla. Reality is that almost every single car manufacturer had full electric prototypes since more than 15 years when Tesla was presented to the public. Not to mention those manufacturers that have invested billions during decades in REAL Research & Development in finding alternative power sources like for example BMW with the fuel cell and hydrogen-based technologies fully developed in-house or even Ford, to mention another manufacturer from the United States if you prefer.

      Years before Tesla was an idea, there were already small networks of hydrogen fuel stations in some places in Europe and in United States. Problem was that those initiatives had to be really privately funded, instead of having a whole USA Government backing them up with subsidies and swarms of hungry investors wanting to throw their money in them. Also, society, environment and geopolitics changed a lot in the last ~10 years, urging Western civilization to immediately find alternatives to oil based fuels that were not so urgent in the 90's or even the early '00s, so quick and cheap solutions like "let's put a battery in a car" are appreciated as they can boost the transition from oil fuels, but initially the ideas were radically different than that.

      Honestly, Tesla is great, Musk is a great businessman and is great to have more competence in automotive sector, specially if such competence is new and presents a "new" way of doing things. But all that doesn't made those assertions like "before Tesla/Musk everyone else was doing nothing" less false and less ridiculous.

    15. Re: Nice! by TimMD909 · · Score: 1

      Plagiarist! ;-)

    16. Re: Nice! by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Years before Tesla was an idea, there were already small networks of hydrogen fuel stations in some places in Europe and in United States.

      And they still are...small, that is. Mostly because hydrogen is either an either failed or at least very premature technological bet from the investors. Picking the right stuff to do is very important.

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    17. Re: Nice! by Agripa · · Score: 1

      ULA STILL charges a lot more. Even with these atlas at 177M, that does not include their yearly ~1B subsidy.

      The subsidy is more like a retainer which pays for maintaining capabilities which would otherwise be discarded and unavailable. The alternative would be to pay even more to reconstitute capabilities as required which is unlikely to even be possible in the timeframe required.

      Ever notice how there are a lot of industrial capabilities which the United States now lacks? Some of them have national security implications but only the sexy ones like launch capability are addressed.

      Or Congress could be using the above as an excuse for rent seeking but how do you tell?

    18. Re: Nice! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I did see a semi loaded with new Teslas that was heading east on I-80 this weekend in Wyoming. So the scam is shipping more product than most kickstarters ever do...

  4. Hooray... by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 0

    Elon bought himself another 3.7 days of operating capital!

    1. Re:Hooray... by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

      You better be nice or he won't let you come to Mars with us.

    2. Re:Hooray... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least on Earth we will have Cyberpunk 2077.

      In 2077

      Live action. No opt-out.

  5. I'm confused. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

    But 110010001000 just told us (literally) yesterday that "Musk is a flim flam artist"! How dare you question him! /s

    Note to haters: hate someone based on fact or opinion but never hate someone based on your own delusions.

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    1. Re:I'm confused. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Last time he launched a government payload his shit rocket failed to deliver.

    2. Re:I'm confused. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is some top tier trolling. Nicely done!

    3. Re: I'm confused. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because everyone would be better off if ULA launched for $400 million instead? Oh, right...

    4. Re:I'm confused. by WindBourne · · Score: 2

      Not really. He is really an idiot. Who else should pay to launch our military sats? Obviously it is going to be tax-payers.
      The real issue is that /. is now loaded with trolls. /. needs to decide if they are going to clean up this crap or simply allow /. to die.

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    5. Re: I'm confused. by WindBourne · · Score: 2

      which actually, they pretty much used to do. They have gotten ~1B/year subsidy since their inception. To that, they were launch Atlas 5s/Deltas at around 200-350M. Add in that subsidy and adds about ~100M / launch.

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    6. Re:I'm confused. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with the sentiment, but there's no subjective difference between opinion and delusion. A hater, following your advice, will produce the same outcome as one not doing so. A problem that's harder than it looks!

    7. Re: I'm confused. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I won't convert the believers, but you get what you pay for. ULA launch costs come with the engineering to matter your payloads to the rocket. SpaceX launches come with a confessional mandate to buy from them and the engineering is separate.

    8. Re: I'm confused. by c6gunner · · Score: 2

      Did you use google to translate from Russian to English?

    9. Re:I'm confused. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He has delusions that the entity launching the satellites should be NASA, and that way the money would return directly to the public sector, done with no commercial profit margins.

      Apparently he doesn't realize all NASA does is assembling the rocket from an overpriced kit of parts ordered from a bunch of contractors. These get more money than Musk, and on top of that there's the NASA overhead.

    10. Re: I'm confused. by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

      Did you use google to translate from Russian to English?

      I doubt it. Google Translate is generally more coherent than that if it starts with complete sentences in another language.

      Not sure why it has become fashionable to accuse the legion of Anonymous Coward trolls on Slashdot of being Russian disinformation campaigners. You have only to read Youtube comments to conclude that there are plenty of home grown total morons available to generate all this crap.

    11. Re:I'm confused. by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1
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  6. Only one launch by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Note that $130M is only enough to pay for one Falcon Heavy launch with the additional government book-keeping. Commercial satellite vendors pay less, because they don't require as much compliance and paperwork.

    So, it's really nice that Falcon Heavy got a government contract. However, SpaceX is not even close to recovering the cost of the engineering it put into it, and the first test launch. And they may never recover it before this business shifts to their new rocket, fondly called "BFR".

    1. Re:Only one launch by 110010001000 · · Score: 0

      Don't worry. We will all be living on Mars and admiring the view over cocktails soon. And don't worry about cost: we will just borrow more. The good times will never end!

    2. Re:Only one launch by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      I'm sure they are happy to have the work; the manifest is looking slim for 2019/20. If the boosters are used and recovered it is at least something more to amortize costs over.

    3. Re:Only one launch by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 2

      2019/2020 aren't great but they aren't so bad either. There are 41 flights between them counting this one. Perhaps some won't fly by the end of 2020. Maybe some of the crew ones. And they might start launching their own satellites by the end of 2020.

    4. Re:Only one launch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong. They have a $12B backlog. Manifest not reflective of launches that will happen.

    5. Re:Only one launch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, it's really nice that Falcon Heavy got a government contract

      Yep. Bootstrap capitalism at its finest - leeching tax dollars.

    6. Re:Only one launch by WindBourne · · Score: 3

      LOL.
      SX launches for a fraction of what ULA does and you accuse SX of leeching tax dollars.
      Gads, I miss when the FUD was off-site and trolls were stopped quickly. Now, /. is nothing but a troll base and being destroyed. Sad.

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    7. Re:Only one launch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your FUD and trolling has been going on near 10 years. You clearly weren't stopped quickly...yet another lie....?

    8. Re:Only one launch by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      Don't worry. We will all be living on Mars and admiring the view over cocktails soon. And don't worry about cost: we will just borrow more. The good times will never end!

      Once we get the Space Force up and running that will really kick off the space economy. Think of the value alone in building and supplying all those Trump branded properties: the Trump Interstellar Hotel, Mars-a-lago, and of course the Trump Presidential Golf Club Luna.

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    9. Re:Only one launch by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      I am sure the manifest isn’t complete, but I thought a very big part of the backlog in dollar terms is 2018 launch activity. Hasn’t shotwell indicated launch cadence for 2019-20 more consistent with 2017? Also, financially I am just referring to FH, since it’s long-term prospects seem more limited.

    10. Re:Only one launch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      C'mon. Product life cycle theory.

      Falcon 9 is currently the cash cow that finances finalizing development of Falcon Heavy, which is now slowly shifting from question mark to star. BFR is deep in the question mark territory, but before it's completed, FH will be funding it.

      Also, SpaceX is barely profitable now, because it spends simply outrageous amount of money on R&D. If they decided to reduce the development tempo to more sane levels it would be swimming in money in no time, it's just earning a fortune in commercial launches and spending it immediately. They have 2 launches per month and they definitely scaled back production of new F9s, they regularly reuse!

    11. Re:Only one launch by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      You are aware that most of us won't see the anon trolls if you don't reply to them, right? You feeding them is a solid 75% of the problem.

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    12. Re:Only one launch by d0rp · · Score: 1

      Mars-a-lago

      That had me in stitches, well played.

  7. Corporate Socialism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The kind of Socialism that anti-Socialist America loves best.

    1. Re: Corporate Socialism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better than the antifag brand of socialism which is beat you to a pulp while wearing their pink bandanas and steal your wallet.

      Oh and they luv the children in camps. They hate black babies which they want to abort but they luv them camp kiddies.

    2. Re: Corporate Socialism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and steal your wallet.

      Bwahahhahahaha. Mwahahhahahaha. Ahahahahahhahaha.

  8. Payload adapter by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Are they going to let SpaceX make the payload adapter this time? The Northrop Grumman one on Zuma resulted in mission failure.

    1. Re:Payload adapter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spotted the ULA executive!

    2. Re:Payload adapter by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Spotted the ULA executive!

      No, silly-head. The mission failure was due to Northrup Grumman, not SpaceX. The government said so in their own report. By asking if SpaceX is going to be allowed to make it, I meant that SpaceX would do a better job.

    3. Re:Payload adapter by Memnos · · Score: 2

      Browse at -1 and re-read your thread, to see what parent was replying to.

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    4. Re:Payload adapter by Kjella · · Score: 2

      Are they going to let SpaceX make the payload adapter this time? The Northrop Grumman one on Zuma resulted in mission failure.

      Does it really matter? Somebody else is building the satellite, if that doesn't work the mission is a failure too. So it's just shifting responsibility a bit from "We got you to the intended orbit, the rest is up to you" to "We got you to the intended orbit and detached the payload, the rest is up to you". As long as SpaceX is performing whatever part of the job they should be doing they'll get more business, I don't think they care who makes the adapter. Even though it was a classified mission blame was pretty quickly placed where it belonged. Of course SpaceX will need to have an adapter/launcher for all launches including Dragon and Starlink so maybe it's good business to use theirs, but to them it must be like somebody wanting custom tires on the car. Sure go ahead just don't blame us if you get a flat tire.

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    5. Re: Payload adapter by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 1

      A satellite not working is one thing. Satellites are complicated. A payload adapter not releasing? They are relatively simple.

    6. Re:Payload adapter by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      It still resulted in bad publicity for SpaceX. If taking on this responsibility increases the chance of success for a mission, they might well be interested in doing it.

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    7. Re:Payload adapter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't want to touch the payload adapter for a classified satellite, if anything goes wrong with the bird, people will assume it's your fault.
      Give the builder your interface drawings to the top of the stage and wish them well.

    8. Re:Payload adapter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No space ex lied to cover up three shit rockets. They have the worst reliability in the entire history of rocketry. No other rocket has had their massive failure rate.

    9. Re:Payload adapter by drsquare · · Score: 1

      A failed detachment would get in the way of second-stage recovery.

  9. Nice!-and evil. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's OK for SpaceX to get government contracts, but not Google? Aren't you all worried SpaceX is going to do something "evil"?

    1. Re:Nice!-and evil. by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      SpaceX is going to take us to the Holy Land: Mars.

    2. Re: Nice!-and evil. by c6gunner · · Score: 2

      Anyone who automatically equates "government contract" with "evil" is obviously an idiot, so why would you care what they think?

    3. Re:Nice!-and evil. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Vast majority of military satellites are of defensive purpose - intended to save lives and prevent bloodshed.

      Firmware to an assault drone though?

  10. Compared to... by thesupraman · · Score: 1

    Compared to say ULA, who were charging around 3 TIMES this for equivalent cargos?

    Gee, no bias there 110010001000..

    I think you will find the word is 'saving' rather than 'using' in this context.

    1. Re:Compared to... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Compared to say ULA, who were charging around 3 TIMES this for equivalent cargos?

      Huh?
      TFA says the dreaded ULA is getting (2x$177m =) 354m for two launches.
      You math is slightly off.
      You need to stop sucking the tiny penis of: Musk/Rei/WindBourn/BrucePerens/thegarbz/KSKyosuke...

    2. Re:Compared to... by moehoward · · Score: 1

      I like some of ULA, but certainly am more opposed to it.

      I see SpaceX as something like Baidu/Alibaba suddenly dropping shop in the US and disrupting Google. "Oh, crap! Our precious home-grown baby has hyenas at the crib!"

      Let's wait 10 years and see what happens. 10 years is not too long. I remember 2008 like it was yesterday, full of "Public Shovel-Ready Project - President Barack Obama" signs on every street that was never fixed.

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    3. Re:Compared to... by WindBourne · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ULA USED to charge over 300M per launch. SX has forced it way down and they are still too expensive. That $354M does not include the 1B yearly subsidy .

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    4. Re: Compared to... by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      To be fair, he said "equivalent cargoes". Given that the Falcon Heavy can lift in one launch as much weight as ULA can in 3, the price estimate may be accurate ... assuming that the USAF is actually launching a payload near the top end of the FH lift capacity.

    5. Re:Compared to... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SX has forced it way down and they are still too expensive.

      LOL
      Air Force willing to fork out a premium for ULA rocket (made with Russian engines),with less lift, and twice as often as the SX offering.
      USAF obviously have far more faith in ULA than SX.
      This could change once SX has more of a track record, but right now ULA BTFO SX by a long shot.

      And SX charging a paltry $130m for 3xFalcon9 strapped together, when a single F9 supply flights to the ISS commands $133m.
      More like SX is force to cut price due to pressure from ULA.

    6. Re:Compared to... by mcswell · · Score: 1

      Punk kid. I remember 1968 like it was yesterday.

      Warning: According to Judy Collins, if you can remember the 60s, you weren't there. (Or somebody said it: https://quoteinvestigator.com/.... Which just proves it.)

  11. Reliability compared to ULA by Eravnrekaree · · Score: 3, Interesting

    SpaceX is good for commercial launches where they are willling to accept a little higher risk to launch off the shelf commercial satellites. For things relating to national security, and one off NASA stuff thats been underway for a decade like James Webb, can they be so confident that it will be as reliable as the ULA stuff. The idea of something like James Webb being lost is pretty scary after its taken so long. SpaceX not being there yet as far as having the same record as ULA, doesnt mean its a bad platform for lower risk launches.

    1. Re:Reliability compared to ULA by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 1

      This deal is for a national security satellite, though. And it's to ride on Falcon Heavy, which launched once, although the base Falcon 9 rockets are building up a nice heritage. So, it sounds like the government is getting more comfortable with SpaceX. Given the difference in price, maybe they feel they can build a second satellite with what they save.

    2. Re:Reliability compared to ULA by moehoward · · Score: 2

      Who's national security? Funny how over the years, that we go from "secret surveillance good" to "secret surveillance bad". Lather, rinse, repeat.

      I don't think that it is a stretch for Congress to enact a law that says that we get a truthful general idea of what these things are for.

      Such as:

      1) This one spies on Russia, China, and other nations for the purpose of "blah, blah, blah."
      2) This one looks at the US, but only for the purpose generally of "blah, blah, blah."

      The over-doing of secrecy in our government has caused me (and hopefully most of you) to distrust our government more and more.

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    3. Re:Reliability compared to ULA by EnsilZah · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, they've definitely had a couple of bumps on the road, but they're getting there.
      They said they're pretty much locking down the design of the current iteration of the Falcon 9 and will continue flying it unchanged as they shift focus to the BFR.

      I think if you look a little bit further ahead, you'll have to ask the reverse question, does ULA's record of reliability hold when they retire their current rocket families (Which they must, one for being too expensive, and the other for using Russian engines) and start launching on a newly designed rocket with newly designed engines when SpaceX will have more than a hundred launches under their belt?

    4. Re:Reliability compared to ULA by rkordmaa · · Score: 2

      There is no such thing as rockets that will never fail. If you have made a payload that is "too big to fail" you have failed already and yes, JWST counts as a poster-child here. There is always a possibility that launch vehicle fails and there is always a possibility that the payload itself fails. With the sums in play you must play it safe and be capable of putting up a backup payload if something goes wonky, because eventually it will. JWST could and should have been spread out into several technically iterative and individually much cheaper birds. Instead of that they have a 10billion superbird, filled to the brim with untested tech, two decades plus in the making and for the money spent no actual observations have been made meanwhile. It'll be great once it's up and running, but that doesn't make it sensible use of time and money.

    5. Re:Reliability compared to ULA by rkordmaa · · Score: 1

      People sometimes have trouble grasping big numbers when it comes to money, in comparison, the entire ITER project currently runs at 14 billion. Weigh the potential payoffs and size of the project there for a second and consider that ITER is pretty much guaranteed the work while JWST merely should be ok if nothing goes wrong. You really shouldn't start multi decade projects unless there is absolutely no other way to make meaningful advances.

    6. Re:Reliability compared to ULA by jaa101 · · Score: 1

      The idea of something like James Webb being lost is pretty scary after its taken so long.

      Nothing like as scary as the chances of it failing after launch. That thing is so horrendously complex with multiple, thin insulators to be deployed by pulling on cables. They should have added 20 per cent to the cost and built two, the second to go up only after the first has been launched and any failures understood.

    7. Re:Reliability compared to ULA by cmdr_klarg · · Score: 2

      The James Webb telescope is being sent up on an Ariane 5. Not ULA.

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    8. Re:Reliability compared to ULA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, but nowadays, surveillance satellites spy for TRUMP!

    9. Re: Reliability compared to ULA by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      The over-doing of secrecy in our government has caused me (and hopefully most of you) to distrust our government more and more.

      Nah. There's more transparency in government now than there was in, say, the 1950s. What's changed is that we have far more access to information now than we ever had before, so people expect even less "secrecy". When you don't even have enough information to know how much is secret, you tend not to think about it much.

    10. Re:Reliability compared to ULA by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      SpaceX has a higher reliability and cheaper cost than ULA.

    11. Re:Reliability compared to ULA by drsquare · · Score: 1

      It's not like ULA hasn't had near misses. They got lucky so far, but the next time an engine fails to compete its burn it could wreck the mission.

  12. Re:Rei going to be jerking it tonight to Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes. Our beloved KKK, home of the great Daniel Carver, a white klan man with a plan.

  13. Re:Nice implosion Hyperloop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hyperloop is a massive mistake but a good engineering exercise, and good opportunities for Musk-ular hype and exposure, and sucking up venture capital.
    This project makes an enormous vacuum tube, made with thin steel walls, no plans for shutting down sections in case of rupture.
    Transport energy cost would probably be minimal compared to pumping out tons of air, hefty vacuum pumps likely has to run contentiously to overcome seal seepage. Heat transfer for A/C motor heat would be hard in vacuum. Jet turbine engines would have no air to burn, an oxidant has to be carried on-board, and exhaust would have to be pumped out. Electric propulsion could work on a track and make only the air resistance a factor. Maglev-ing the vehicle will not be cheap.
    A single square inch has 14.7 lbs. of force on it, calculate the surface area and find the combined force. Find a suitable material for the tube and add a safety factor.
    Making such a large tube impervious to sabotage above ground should very hard. Will a single bullet shatter a pre-stressed steel tube? Should the tube brake, a massive slug of air will propel a vehicle inside super fast and hopefully the exit is pointing upward and parachutes on the vehicle to soften the blow as it return to earth. A leak to the vehicle would kill the occupants. Space technology is not cheap, wear and tear will happen and maintenance at this level would not be fast nor cheap.
    Temperature coefficient of expansion of the tube would involve multiple wiping seals for expansion joints, and massive maintenance efforts.
    If people get stuck inside how would you get them out? Ho long time to pump down the tube to 1 millitorr ? Four months? Energy cost for pumps?
    The views from the windows won't be much to speak of.

    EU and Japan bullet trains runs daily at 300 - 350km/h, with 40 year old proven technology. No level crossings, grade separated right of way with large turning radii. EU bullet train (TGV) can run 575km/h but are run slower for safety. These trains are quiet and comfortable.
    Two hrs from LA to San Francisco would not be bad at 300km/h.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TGV
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_High-Speed_Rail
    Maglev is more expensive, and problematic to build than TGV and not much faster, usually much less.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maglev
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinkansen

  14. Re:Nice implosion Hyperloop by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    No TGV accidents?
    I will take hyperloop over TGV or any twin rail system.

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  15. Re:Nice implosion Hyperloop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No TGV accidents?
    I will take hyperloop over TGV or any twin rail system.

    Unlike twin rail systems, you have absolutely no baseline to determine the safety or reliability of a Hyperloop system.

    Marketing BS doesn't count.

  16. You're more than confused. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    whaaa whaaa I used to be able to lie whenever I liked and no one cared, I miss the good old days.

  17. From Russia without sanctions by AHuxley · · Score: 0

    In Capitalist Russia RD-181 rocket engines are exported to you.
    In USA RD-180 and RD-181 rocket engines lift U.S. Air Force secret heavy payload up for you.

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    1. Re:From Russia without sanctions by joh · · Score: 2

      Well, not THIS payload obviously, the FH doesn't use these (or any other Russian) engines.

    2. Re:From Russia without sanctions by thrich81 · · Score: 1

      If it is a really heavy payload it will be on either a Falcon Heavy or a Delta IV Heavy rocket, the #1 and #2 operational launch vehicles in the world measured by payload mass to orbit. Both made in USA, neither with Russian engines.

    3. Re:From Russia without sanctions by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Yet the US is really still accepting batches of RD-180 and RD-181 rocket engines for the U.S. Air Force...

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    4. Re:From Russia without sanctions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it is a really heavy payload it will be on either a Falcon Heavy or a Delta IV Heavy rocket, the #1 and #2 operational launch vehicles in the world measured by payload mass to orbit. Both made in USA, neither with Russian engines.

      MURRICAH FUCK YEAH! MAGA, MAGA!

  18. LOL @ Windy idiocy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The safety figures for the TGV system are exceptional; there have been no fatalities in high-speed operation since service started in 1981. Today TGV trains accumulate of the order of 50 billion passenger-kilometres per year on lignes à grande vitesse (high-speed lines) alone. 1.2 billion passengers have travelled on the TGV.

  19. Russia does everything better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They even have iodine powered rockets that are 10X cheaper.
    https://www.rt.com/news/430535-russia-rocket-engine-iodine/

    Gay libtards ruined America.

  20. Re:Nice implosion Hyperloop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At depth where hyperloop operates, seepage is not a problem. The only seepage will be through airlocks at stations,