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Making Medical Clothing That Kills Bugs (economist.com)

Many doctors now are likely to wear everyday clothes, or blue or green "scrubs", which are said to reduce eye strain in brightly-lit operating theatres. White coats are reckoned to be capable of spreading diseases as easily as clothing of any other colour, especially when long sleeves brush against multiple surfaces. Many clinics and hospitals now have a "bare below the elbows" policy for staff, whether in uniform or their own clothes. This is also supposed to encourage more thorough handwashing. What, though, if the clothes worn by medical staff could actively help prevent bugs being passed around? From a report: Some metals, such as gold and silver, have natural antibacterial properties and are used to coat certain solid items, such as medical implants. But putting metallic coatings onto stretchy and foldable fabrics is tricky, and those coatings can quickly be swept away in a washing machine. What is needed, reckons Liu Xuqing of the University of Manchester, in England, is a way to make antibacterial coatings for fabrics that, quite literally, hold tight.

Instead of gold or silver, Dr Liu's metal of choice is copper. This exhibits the same bug-killing properties but has the benefit of being an awful lot cheaper than those two precious metals, making a commercial coating process easier to devise. Working with colleagues from two Chinese institutions, Northwest Minzu University in Lanzhou and Southwest University in Chongqing, Dr Liu has been treating samples of fabric with a chemical process that grafts what is called a "polymer brush" onto their surfaces. As the name suggests, when viewed at a resolution of a few nanometres (billionths of a metre) through an electron microscope, the polymer strands look like tiny protruding bristles. That done they use a second chemical procedure to coat the bristles with a catalyst.

After this, they immerse the fabric in a copper-containing solution from which the catalyst causes the metal to precipitate and form tiny particles that anchor themselves to the polymer brush. Indeed, they bond so tightly that Dr Liu compares the resulting coating to reinforced concrete. Yet the process takes place at such a minute scale on the surface of the fabric that it should not affect the feel or quality of the finished material.

49 comments

  1. and possibly you too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but you won't know for years or decades. Let's call you control group A.

  2. Another nano partical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone remember asbestos, now we have nano particles that embed them selves into our lungs and cause damage, I'm guessing this would have similar effect over a long period of time for the users of such clothes.

    1. Re:Another nano partical by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      We've been using copper utensils for millennia and we're still here.

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    2. Re:Another nano partical by PaulBu · · Score: 1

      Not all of us who have been doing it for millennia, not all... ;-/

    3. Re:Another nano partical by Khyber · · Score: 2

      Utensils are macro-scale copper, not nano-scale.

      Looking at the can of spray-on electroplating compound I have, it explicitly says "These nano-particles of metal can cause respiratory damage. Always wear proper respiratory gear and use this product in a well-ventilated area."

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    4. Re:Another nano partical by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Well apparently, here the particles become strongly bonded. I'm sure you can take a breath afterwards.

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  3. Just what we need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Another source of heavy metals in our environment.

  4. Green Surgical Scrubs by chill · · Score: 3, Informative

    Green surgical scrubs are for more than just reducing eye strain. Green is the opposite of red in the opponent process of how the human visual system works. Our blood is red, due to the iron content, so green scrubs provide the best contrast and thus ensure blood is most visible.

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    1. Re:Green Surgical Scrubs by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      I don't see how coating with copper is impressive, tbh. I'd rather see a polymer that is itself antibacterial.

    2. Re:Green Surgical Scrubs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good thing copper turns green when it oxidizes.

    3. Re:Green Surgical Scrubs by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      I guess it is a good thing most Med School Grads are Women, Red Green Colorblindness is much more common with males.

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  5. What about after they're washed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In heavy bleach. I'm all for this type of improvements to hospital clothing, but I wonder how long those additions survive and this seems a little optimistic.

  6. Wearable Faraday cage by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 3, Funny

    This is gonna look great with my tinfoil hat!

  7. "Bugs", and no, it would barely matter by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 2

    >> What, though, if the clothes worn by medical staff could actively help prevent bugs being passed around

    First, please stop talking to us like we are stoned high schoolers. "Bugs" -> bacteria/viruses? "What, though, if" -> "Imagine if"

    Second, no, having antibacterial threads would make almost no difference in the average medical facility. Just think of what gets tracked in on visitor shoes, lands on medical personnel's socks or skin after trips to the bathroom, trips between sick patients and between hand washings, and is festering in seldom-cleaned corners/ducts/etc.

    1. Re: "Bugs", and no, it would barely matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well I agree it would seem that this ought to be the case, but actually it is rather more complicated than that.

      Bacteria are easy to destroy on floors, surfaces mostly clean easily, shoes are easily covered when moving in critical areas, hands and face wash easily. But what causes the regrowth of bacteria in a hospital context is reservoirs; places where those cleaning processes donâ(TM)t get to. And actually clothing is one of those areas; consultants wear the same suits regularly, the same trousers, etc., and they rotate their outfits causing what was eliminated to return a week later.

      In the UK NHS one of the things theyâ(TM)ve done to stop this is to urge consultants not to wear ordinary ties, because ties are rarely washed but they are regularly handled. It turns out that a consultantâ(TM)s tie is one of the most likely reservoirs for persistent hospital infections.

    2. Re: "Bugs", and no, it would barely matter by Joce640k · · Score: 0

      places where those cleaning processes donâ(TM)t get to.

      In the UK NHS one of the things theyâ(TM)ve done to stop this is to urge consultants not to wear ordinary ties, because ties are rarely washed but they are regularly handled. It turns out that a consultantâ(TM)s tie is one of the most likely reservoirs for persistent hospital infections.

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    3. Re: "Bugs", and no, it would barely matter by Krishnoid · · Score: 2
      • Note high bacterial counts on ties
      • Produce line of attractive antibacterial ties
      • Encourage hospitals to advertise antibacterial tie line
      • Profit!
    4. Re:"Bugs", and no, it would barely matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An interesting study on survival rates of staph and MRSA in particular on common medical materials.

      http://pub.extranet.fsu.edu/sites/publicsafety/Wiki%20Documents/Bacterial%20Survival%20on%20Fabric.pdf

    5. Re: "Bugs", and no, it would barely matter by vtcodger · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "advertise antibacterial tie line"

      How 19th century.

      Nowadays, you contribute $50000 to your representative's campaign fund, and he or she conjures up a law REQUIRING individuals in medical facilities to wear antibacterial ties.

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    6. Re:"Bugs", and no, it would barely matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I was in pre-op, someone brought their shitty dog into the place and let it run around, licking everyone and touching everything. Just before everyone went into surgery. Leave your damn pets at home and the hospital needs to enforce it.

      Yes, I got an infection from the surgery.

  8. Uh, on... by cre1mer · · Score: 1

    No wonder my coworkers looked at me funny when I wear my long-sleeve sweater in the weapons bio lab.

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  9. Best practices. by jellomizer · · Score: 2

    Normally hospitals will follow best practices to reduce infections. When they pay attention to them and enforce these rules hard, infection rate on patients go way down. The biggest concern with this technology is the fact it is a lot of money for a marginal benefit, and could give organizations a false sense of security and be more lax on their practices.

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    1. Re:Best practices. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is also immensely helpful to reduce bacteria by changing into clean scrubs when staff gets to the hospital instead of putting them on at home and wearing them all day. But hospitals don't want the expense of laundering them, so here we are, trying to embed copper particles.

  10. Japanese Indigo by t0qer · · Score: 1

    Not exactly sure why they'd go through some crazy process to put copper in fabric. The Japanese Indigo plant has long exhibited antibacterial properties. Why not just dye scrubs with that?

    https://link.springer.com/arti...

  11. There's a reason to use silver by omnichad · · Score: 1

    Instead of gold or silver, Dr Liu's metal of choice is copper. This exhibits the same bug-killing properties but has the benefit of being an awful lot cheaper than those two precious metals

    But doesn't copper tarnish/oxidize more easily? Sure it would work great while it's pure copper. But wash it a few times and I doubt it will do any good.

  12. Nurses get sporty by nospam007 · · Score: 2

    Sports clothes manufacturers have produced silver based bug killing garments for years, albeit their only interest was to kill the bacteria eating your sweat and creating the ominous BO stink.

    1. Re:Nurses get sporty by someoneOtherThanMe · · Score: 1

      Yes, and those polyester garments still stink as hell. Compared to cotton, which doesn't start stinking nearly as fast. Of course cotton clothing sucks for sports for other reasons.

  13. What kills me... by skam240 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What kills me is how often I see medical staff wearing their scrubs out in public. I'm a long ways from a germophobe but a very significant part of their job is working with people with all sorts of infections and diseases, there could be anything on those things. It's great they can just walk out of work without changing but I'd rather not get a staff infection because a nurse brushed up against me while I was waiting in line for a sandwich at lunch time.

    A little off topic I know but if scrubs were able to "prevent bugs being passed around" I'd feel a little better standing by these people.

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    1. Re:What kills me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've seen this a lot too. People on the way to their hospital job wearing their scrubs on the bus, or sitting in a Starbucks around the general population. Not the sharpest tools in the shed.

    2. Re:What kills me... by fafalone · · Score: 2

      Anyone suspected of having something THAT contagious is isolated in a room where everyone wears additional protection over their scrubs, which is taken off when leaving the room. I'd be surprised if you even found a single case transmitted in the fashion you describe.

      By the way, if you think that's scary, you know who was responsible for cleaning all the surfaces in the OR before and after each operation? Me, when I was a mere volunteer still in high school. Which wasn't nearly as fun as what I got to do with the unconscious people before and after... and their organs...

    3. Re:What kills me... by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Ha! "staff infection"! You kill me.

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    4. Re:What kills me... by DRJlaw · · Score: 1

      I'm a long ways from a germophobe but a very significant part of their job is working with people with all sorts of infections and diseases, there could be anything on those things... I'd rather not get a staff infection because a nurse brushed up against me while I was waiting in line for a sandwich at lunch time.

      Why worry about that when you can worry about every fourth person around you? Your staff has staph, their staff has staph, the lunch staff has staph...

      I know but if scrubs were able to "prevent bugs being passed around" I'd feel a little better standing by these people.

      Yes, because "everything must be sterile" has worked so well for public health so far.

    5. Re:What kills me... by skam240 · · Score: 1

      Hahaha. I didn't even notice I did that.

      staph infection

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    6. Re:What kills me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a giant pussy.

    7. Re:What kills me... by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      I thought it appropriate for the posting. With your permission, I plan on using that spelling whenever talking about hospital germs :)

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    8. Re:What kills me... by skam240 · · Score: 1

      "Why worry about rubbing against people who's job it is to work with the diseased and can't even be bothered to change their clothes." is what you're telling me here.

      "Yes, because "everything must be sterile""
      Congratulations, that's you just making shit up. I never insisted on such.

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    9. Re:What kills me... by DRJlaw · · Score: 1

      "Why worry about rubbing against people who's job it is to work with the diseased and can't even be bothered to change their clothes." is what you're telling me here.

      ...
      Congratulations, that's you just making shit up. I never insisted on such.

      Hypocrite. Congratulations, that's you just making shit up. I never wrote such.

      "Yes, because "everything must be sterile""

      Congratulations, that's you just making shit up. I never insisted on such.

      hardly. And whether you insisted on it is not relevant to the argument. You're the one assuming that those scrubs are being worn after contact with "the diseased." You're the one assuming that somehow only hospitalized patients are "the diseased." News flash buddy, 25% of the people around you are "diseased" with staphylococcus (staph, not staff, for short).

      When hospital staff work with patients known to have communicable infections, they change into other scrubs -- if only to avoid communicating those infections to other patients. When they do not, those scrubs are no more risky than any other streetwear, including that of people who visit patients in the hospital. If you're freaked out by the sight of people wearing scrubs in public then, yes, you are a germophobe.

  14. Thank god the language police are here! by skam240 · · Score: 1

    It's so great the language police is here to protect us. What a horror it is for some one to refer to bacteria as "bugs"!

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  15. Stop wearing scrubs as street clothes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are lots of medical professionals in my area who wear scrubs from home to whatever hospital instead of changing into them at work. They wear them dropping kids off at daycare, getting their car serviced at the local lube shop and even hang around Starbucks in them before participating in everything from blood draws to surgical procedures. Sure, bacteria resistant scrubs might be helpful but not as much as making medical staff change into their scrubs at whatever clinical venue they provide patient services.

  16. Scrubs worn outside Hospital by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I live in NYC
    I see medical personnel wear their scrubs to outside venues, including parks. They sit on benches with bird poop and the gowns touch the pavement in the same non-clean environment.
    After lunch, they walk back to work and effuse the "sanitary" wardrobe that is now filthier than the plain clothes that they may have donned in the morning.

    OK, I'm sure surgeons clean up nice but what about the GP or other specialists that don't have a stringent scrub protocol.

  17. More and more research carried out by Chinese by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dr. Liu Xuqing is a Chinese, working for the University of Manchester.

    For this research, Dr. Liu partners with two Chinese institutions, Northwest Minzu University in Lanzhou and Southwest University in Chongqing.

    More and more research are being done by the Chinese, and one day, they will become our new overlords.

  18. Copper can drive resistance to other agents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Using Copper can cause increase in copper resistance and co-selwct for resistance towards other antimicrobial agents. Here is the first example Google found for me. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0269749117311624

  19. Coated fabrics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They should do what I do. I've been wearing the same clothes for the last 20 years. My stink can take out every living thing within 50 yards.

  20. Re:There's a reason to use brass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From top hit on google:
    "It's called the oligodynamic effect, and it's the result of metal ions in brass and copper having a toxic effect on molds, spores, viruses, and other living cells. Unvarnished brass doorknobs magically disinfect themselves in about eight hours."

  21. DDT is good for me~~ by thesjaakspoiler · · Score: 1

    I think we've been here before.... https://www.sciencehistory.org...

  22. Re:There's a reason to use brass by omnichad · · Score: 1

    Brass doesn't tarnish so easily. Copper does.