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ComputerWorld Says Newest Windows 10 'Isn't Ready for Prime Time' (computerworld.com)

"Despite Microsoft's assurances, Windows 10 1803 isn't ready for prime time," writes ComputerWorld's Woody Leonhard, adding "Microsoft's patches in June took on some unexpected twists..." Win10 1803 was declared fully fit for business, a pronouncement that was followed weeks later by fixes for a few glaring, acknowledged bugs -- and stony silence for other known problems. We're continuing the two-big-cumulative-updates-a-month pace for all supported versions of Windows 10. The second cumulative update frequently fixes bugs introduced by the first cumulative update. Microsoft may think that Win10 (1803) is ready for widespread deployment, but there are a few folks who would take issue with that stance...

Tuesday, Microsoft finally released a fix for two big bugs that have dogged Win10 1803 since its inception... In practice, life isn't so simple. WSUS (the Windows Update Server software) isn't "seeing" KB 4284848, as of late Wednesday afternoon -- which may be a good thing. Along with the second cumulative update this month, there are additional releases to fix the Servicing Stack, and a new "Compatibility update" that, per the documentation, is designed to make it easier to upgrade Win10 1803 Enterprise to Win10 1803 Enterprise (not a typo)...

One problem that has been acknowledged -- but only by a Microsoft Agent on an Answers Forum post -- says that installing 1803 can clobber your peer-to-peer network. That certainly matches my experience.

Woody concludes, "If you think Win10 1803 is ready for prime time, you're welcome to give it a try."

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  1. No Windows... by jawtheshark · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No version of Windows was ever ready for prime time..

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    1. Re:No Windows... by Luckyo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Windows 7 is like modern liberal democracy. It's a terrible system for the purpose, except when compared to all the other systems that were tried for the same purpose.

  2. Windows 10 is ready by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    For the trash can. Switch to linux or macOS instead.

  3. Software as a Service doesn't work for OSes. by devslash0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd bet that having one-os-to-rule-them-all and OS as a Service are the ideas to which Microsoft execs are waxing their carrots to every day. Unfortunately, this model doesn't work for operating systems which are not like any other software.

    I expect my OS to be an embodiment of stability and security. Software that I can trust won't go down even if every other process in the system decided to go tits up. Most of all, however, I expect to be in full control of it. It shouldn't make the faintest ping (fart) unless I ask it to.

    Windows is the complete opposite. It runs a ton of of things without your permission, spies on you, reconfigures your system to its liking whenever it so pleases (hello system services) and dictates when and if at all you can shut it down.

    This is an absolute lack of respect for your will and time. I do not understand how can anyone hope to build a stable business on Windows.

    1. Re:Software as a Service doesn't work for OSes. by Required+Snark · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Monopolies always end up with a rent-not-buy model. There is even a term for this: rent seeking behavior.

      Collecting rent makes a lot more money in the long run and is a very natural extension of monopoly power. It also leads to lower value for renters and larger profits for the landlords, or SAS providers in this case. Plus market stagnation.

      Welcome to the USA in the 21st century. You have no viable choices and you've been commodifed.

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  4. Re: Win10 1803 is ready for prime time? Nope by Jesus+H+Rolle · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In `98 they sent me a free copy of Windows Server 2000, and it was very stable platform for my coffee for years.

    Windows 2000 was the first and last version worth installing. Microsoft almost got it right. Shame there was no 64 bit release.

  5. Re:Microsoft pushing out junk now by Tough+Love · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When you push out the revisions twice a year, somethings will always go wrong for some devices.

    Riddle me this: how does Linux manage to push out revisions at more than ten times that rate while almost never regressing on any device? Not to mention that Linux tends to support devices forever, unlike Windows.

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  6. Windows 10 - buggy and half-finished by assholes by brxndxn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    More than any other OS, I would say Windows 10 has a buggy and half-finished feel to it. The way it puts 'unidentified' SID's all through the registry - and Microsoft says you can ignore the numerous errors in the system logs.. or the way it always seems to decide to interrupt your work and install gigabytes of updates - and keep extra gigabytes of 'backups' in the windows.old folder..

    I swear the biggest problem is people not holding Microsoft accountable enough. Microsoft should be getting their asses sued off by everyone and their mother. Whether it's 'software as a service' or not, they should not be able to override user preferences with impunity - or shut down industrial or medical systems because they miscalculated on an update. It's one thing if they install updates automatically - it's a totally different thing if someone disables those updates and Microsoft overrides it and returns all user settings back to their default every update. Or, if Microsoft just decides they're entitled to all of your screenshots, keystrokes, and contacts list.

    Besides the bugs, the GUI is inconsistent and has shitty performance. It feels like you're opening a web page browser window when you navigate any of the new style of menu. There are at least 3 different distinct styles of menus and certain settings are in some or all of them. For example, there are mouse settings in the old style control panel and the new settings menu - and they aren't even the same settings - so you have to go to both.

    It cannot get the resolution perspective correct in any manner.. And, if you set it the way you want, it might be returned to shit after a reboot - or you plug in a different monitor - or you remote desktop from a 4k monitor on a tablet that THEY designed. The fonts are hard to read no matter what - unless you have an old shitty low resolution monitor. Also, updates cause you to lose settings.. like you cannot make fonts bold in the menus after the latest Windows update.

    Windows 10 forgets and re-arranges user settings. Did you move the 'documents' folder? Windows 10 might just decide to delete wherever you moved it to and move them back. If you use OneDrive, plan on re-installing at least once a month.

    The snipping tool is a big flaming piece of shit. If you capture a screenshot and then click 'new' screenshot, your existing screenshot right in front of you disappears.. So you can't just have multiple screenshots sitting on your screen at the same time - unless you take the time to save each one. Fuck that. Nothing should ever delete your existing work just because you clicked 'new.' Instead, it should open in a NEW window and keep your existing one.

    The way they install updates as if they are entitled to controlling you is unacceptable. Everything about it is the opposite of common sense. For example, updates typically install when you want to turn off your laptop and take it home - nope.. sorry.. you gotta fucking wait. Don't turn off your computer or we'll break it. Have a laptop you use only once or twice a week? It'll decide to waste your battery doing a bunch of bullshit rather than just let you get your work done. I know it's not supposed to interrupt you in the middle of anything - but I have had it interrupt me in the middle of playing a PC game against friends. WHAT THE FUCK.

    I use it since I have to support it (secondary to Mac OSX). It pisses me off every day. No one on the Windows 10 team should feel proud of the shit they help create. It's taking computing in the wrong direction. It's making computing less reliable. The philosophy of Windows 10 is shit. The fundamental design is shit. The people that work on it are shitty people. The people that stick up for it are ineffective people who have never experienced software that was designed well.

    The really sad thing is that almost all of it could be fixed by doing the following:
    1. Allow the user to have control over his or her computer again
    2. Allow the user to HAVE CONTROL OVER HIS OR HER COMPUTER AGAIN
    3. FUCKING ALLOW THE USER TO BE IN CONTROL

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