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Europe is Using Smartphone Data as a Weapon To Deport Refugees (wired.co.uk)

Governments are using migrants' smartphones to deport them. From a report: Across the continent, migrants are being confronted by a booming mobile forensics industry that specialises in extracting a smartphone's messages, location history, and even WhatsApp data. That information can potentially be turned against the phone owners themselves. In 2017 both Germany and Denmark expanded laws that enabled immigration officials to extract data from asylum seekers' phones. Similar legislation has been proposed in Belgium and Austria, while the UK and Norway have been searching asylum seekers' devices for years.

Following right-wing gains across the EU, beleaguered governments are scrambling to bring immigration numbers down. Tackling fraudulent asylum applications seems like an easy way to do that. As European leaders met in Brussels last week to thrash out a new, tougher framework to manage migration -- which nevertheless seems insufficient to placate Angela Merkel's critics in Germany -- immigration agencies across Europe are showing new enthusiasm for laws and software that enable phone data to be used in deportation cases. Admittedly, some refugees do lie on their asylum applications.

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  1. Counterpoint. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Europe is using smartphone data as a tool to help repatriate lost runaways.

    1. Re:Counterpoint. by blindseer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Europe is using smartphone data as a tool to help repatriate lost runaways.

      Precisely. We want to see families reunited. We know that ripping children from their mothers cannot be tolerated, therefore we should do the best we can to send children back to their mothers. Or at least returned to their motherland and their extended family.

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  2. Refugees, asylum seekers, migrants by 110010001000 · · Score: 4, Informative

    " Admittedly, some refugees do lie on their asylum applications."

    Who writes this stuff? There is a difference between an asylum seeker and an immigrant and a migrant and an illegal immigrant. To conflate it all is disingenuous.

    1. Re:Refugees, asylum seekers, migrants by DutchSter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There is a difference between an asylum seeker and an immigrant and a migrant and an illegal immigrant.

      Yes and no. No sovereign nation is obligated to allow anybody but its own citizens in. When you are any of the above people asking a country to admit you, regardless of the reason, you're standing at the gate, hat in hand, hoping that by their grace they let you in. If they tell you to jump, you ask how high.

      If you don't want to follow their procedures and allow an invasive search of your property, then that's fine, ask another country to take you instead, or go back to your home country.

    2. Re:Refugees, asylum seekers, migrants by ScentCone · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Some genuine refugees lie, for a whole variety of reasons. They are still refugees and the system has to recognise that.

      As opposed to NOT-genuine refugees? What separates the two? If someone who claims to be a refugee and is lying in order to pull off that fraud, that doesn't make them a refugee, it makes them a liar pretending to be one to scam the system. Tools that help to differentiate the scammers from the real thing are essential, since untold thousands of people continually attempt that scam.

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    3. Re:Refugees, asylum seekers, migrants by TimothyHollins · · Score: 2

      A lie is a lie, whether you're a legitimate refugee or not. All people, not only refugees, have personal responsibility for their own actions, and lying on your application could most certainly be a valid cause for deportation.

      The data from Norway and Sweden indicate that at least 50% of "underage" refugees lie about their age (Norway estimate 50%+ with their more rigorous testing methods, Sweden estimates 66%+ by post-acceptance checks). Should lying about your age not be a valid reason for deportations?

    4. Re:Refugees, asylum seekers, migrants by EndlessNameless · · Score: 2

      To conflate it all is disingenuous.

      I don't see anything being conflated at all.

      The article says Europe will be using smartphone searches to vet and possibly deport refugees. The claim that some refugees lie on their asylum applications is a pretty good justification for the searches.

      It shouldn't matter if someone is a refugee, migrant, permanent immigrant, or the holder of some obscure visa---if you lie to the host state, you should be kicked out.

      I see some potential for confusion because European media uses "migrants" where US media would normally use "refugees", but the Slashdot summary is clear and consistent with its primarily American audience.

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    5. Re:Refugees, asylum seekers, migrants by Maelwryth · · Score: 5, Informative

      "No sovereign nation is obligated to allow anybody but its own citizens in."

      Actually, there are over 140 countries who are obligated by law to allow entry for certain reasons. For example; The states that signed the 1951 Convention relating to the Status of Refugees and the 1967 Protocol.

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    6. Re:Refugees, asylum seekers, migrants by Train0987 · · Score: 2

      "To conflate it all is disingenuous."

      That is by design.

    7. Re:Refugees, asylum seekers, migrants by Train0987 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There are strict criteria for claiming refugee status. Otherwise why would anyone wait through the long legal immigration process if all they had to do was just show up and say the magic word "asylum!"

    8. Re:Refugees, asylum seekers, migrants by Obfuscant · · Score: 4, Interesting

      But what about lying about your name or the town you came from

      "I am from Berne, and my name is Mr. Bimler ... this is my friend Mr. Hilter and he most recently lived in Vienna.

      Lying about your name prevents validation of your status in the country you are fleeing, including criminal and political. By lying about your name you are deliberately trying to bypass the legal process of asylum, and should be deported. If you are going to lie to get into the country, what other laws are you going to break once you are here?

      Remember that refugees are fleeing something, and they don't know the system

      Are you seriously trying to claim that they don't know they are lying ("don't know the system")? Or that they don't trust the place they are trying to gain entry to? Then why would they flee to that country if they don't trust that country? That's leaping from the frying pan into the fire, isn't it?

      Go somewhere that lying is acceptable and that you trust. Bye.

      A zero tolerance policy is unfair.

      It is quite fair to the people who already live here, and to those who obey the laws to try to gain entry. It is certainly fair to those who are refused asylum for cause when they tell the truth.

    9. Re:Refugees, asylum seekers, migrants by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      "Some people lying about their refugee status" would be correct. Because this is what happens.

      It is interesting, though, that it's apparently mostly young men that manage to escape war areas. Women and kids seem to like it there.

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    10. Re:Refugees, asylum seekers, migrants by magzteel · · Score: 2

      Yeah, but they're also people. People with hopes, dreams, lives, and the same love of life you and I have. People with human rights.

      To draw arbitrary distinctions in an attempt to dehumanize is also disingenuous.

      I would bet you can distinguish between an invited guest and a squatter in your home without delving into nonsense arguments. You have a right to decide who can enter and remain in your home and for how long.

    11. Re:Refugees, asylum seekers, migrants by Maxwell'sSilverLART · · Score: 3, Informative

      To conflate it all is disingenuous.

      I don't see anything being conflated at all.

      Under U.S. law, anyway, "asylee" is not synonymous with "refugee;" it's a subset of refugee, with different legal procedures and consequences. See https://www.uscis.gov/humanita... , http://www.alllaw.com/articles... , https://www.dhs.gov/immigratio... , https://www.law.cornell.edu/us... , and--if you want the statute-- https://www.law.cornell.edu/us... .

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  3. Somewhat misleading headline by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Informative

    Refugees aren't being deported (unless they have been extraordinarily naughty). You get deported (maybe, sometimes, if officials can be bothered or if you drag out your appeal for so long that they give up, and if you do not make too much of a scene) when your asylum claim is rejected. And plenty of rejected applicants are not deported, they just hang around. Hoping for another mass pardon of illegal immigrants, perhaps.

    Separating actual refugees from immigrants with other motivations is vitally important, to make sure we can financially, politically and socially afford to take in as many actual refugees as needed. It's not unreasonable to ask applicants to provide proof to support their claim, and that includes submitting mobile phone data. As long as it is treated as the highly sensitive data that it is, with only relevant portions being retained and only for as long as necessary.

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  4. Re:some? by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Hmm....sounds like one of the first legitimate uses of such tech in the US, like stingray.....

    Rather than use it on law abiding citizens,let's use it to more readily track the illegal immigrants in the US (border hoppers and VISA overstays) and use this to more readily track them down.

    This would go a long way of circumventing the sanctuary cities that don't obey the laws and cooperate.

    I don't have a problem with people coming and migrating to the US to integrate and become US citizens, but if you are coming to the country, at least sign the fucking GUEST BOOK on the way in, and do things legally.

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  5. Re:Part of the Plan for a Police State by iggymanz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    No, big difference between finding and removing immigration criminals and citizens.

    Countries have borders and immigration laws. There is no problem using whatever means to locate immigration criminals.

  6. About that... by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Useful idiots like Merkel just brought on the much needed police state. Once those pesky rapefugees are gone, they'll be using those tools on the native population.

    All apart of the plan.

    Useful idiots like Merkel just brought on the much needed police state. Once those pesky rapefugees are gone, they'll be using those tools on the native population.

    All apart of the plan.

    Yeah, right. About that...

    It would appear that unrestricted immigration and taking refugees is something the people don't want, both in the EU and here in the US.

    In the US we allow about 1.1 million legal immigrants per year, which is generous in comparison to any other country. That's enough to skew the economy, make jobs hard to get, and puts a burden on the infrastructure. Letting unrestricted migrants in could cripple the country, possibly bring it down.

    Non-citizens can apparently vote, and there's a big push in CA to force the census bureau to remove the citizenship question in the next census.

    After the census is tallied, it means that CA gets 3 [US House] more representatives due to non-citizens, and for all states non-citizens total about 7 house representatives.

    (Question: Is giving non-citizens legislative power like that insane? Asking for a friend...)

    I have no Earthly idea why Merkel and the rest of the EU is so hell-bent on getting more refugees. Refugees are causing a lot of problems, it's clearly something the member states don't want, and there's apparently no end in sight. The whole refugee thing started because of Arab Spring (remember that?), which was 8 years ago!

    My best guess is that being called "nazi" is still a big thing in Europe, and they'll do anything to save face and avoid being called that name. Trash their own country by virtue signalling.

    Anyway...

    The basic problem is that the people really don't want unrestricted immigration. It's something that people can readily see, and that affects them directly. Trump's approval rating actually went *up* during the recent protests.

    When the government does something the people *really* don't like, it's the government that has to change.

    1. Re:About that... by blindseer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      (Question: Is giving non-citizens legislative power like that insane? Asking for a friend...)

      Yes, that is insane.

      We are now seeing Democrats advocating for allowing people in prison to vote. I don't mean allowing people that were once in prison and now out free, I'm talking about people in prison having a polling booth available to them inside the prison walls. That's insane. I could be convinced of allowing convicted felons being allowed to vote after being released and serving out any probation. Letting people that immigrated illegally to get a vote, get a license to drive, get a job, send their kids to school, is encouraging more law breaking.

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    2. Re:About that... by EndlessNameless · · Score: 5, Informative

      Found the political bullshitter with an agenda!

      Non-citizens can apparently vote

      Not really. They cannot vote in federal elections at all per 18 USC 611. (I'd link it at uscode.house.gov, but Slashdot apparently doesn't like the URL. I trust you can find it.)

      Since you mentioned CA in particular, I'll note that they can't vote there at all. Only US citizens can vote in CA, according the California Secretary of State.

      As far as I know, every state requires US citizenship in order to vote. Certainly everywhere I've lived.

      It's OK if you're afraid of immigrants, but it's not OK to lie about how things work in the real world.

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    3. Re:About that... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2, Insightful

      make jobs hard to get

      Immigrants take jobs, and then spend their wages on goods and services that create new jobs. The preponderance of the evidence is that they create more jobs than they take.

      and puts a burden on the infrastructure.

      They also pay taxes to build new infrastructure.

      Letting unrestricted migrants in could cripple the country, possibly bring it down.

      We used to have unrestricted immigration. The economy expanded rapidly, and living standards soared.

    4. Re:About that... by king+neckbeard · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why shouldn't people in prison be able to vote? They are citizens, and they likely have grievances with the way our government currently functions.

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    5. Re:About that... by Train0987 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Illegal immigrants do not pay federal taxes. A Social Security number is required for that. Identity theft is a felony, which many of them commit. Not to pay taxes mind you, but to get jobs that the true owner of that SSN# is on the hook for the unpaid taxes on.

      Once again you conflate legal and illegal immigrants on purpose to somehow brand those opposed to illegal immigration as racists or nazis or whatever. People have woken up to that,

    6. Re:About that... by Obfuscant · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As far as I know, every state requires US citizenship in order to vote.

      But can do nothing to verify that the person casting that ballot is a US citizen. Trying to require something as simple as ID is labelled as "racism" and results in lawsuits.

      Imagine a law that says only people older than 20 can drink alcohol, and then not allowing the bars to check IDs to make sure all the people they serve are at least 21. Would you still argue that there is any law against 18 year olds drinking? Any USEFUL law?

      It's OK if you're afraid of immigrants,

      Nothing here shows any fear of immigrants. It shows a disdain for criminals, however. Not every immigrant is a criminal.

      but it's not OK to lie about how things work in the real world.

      Nor it is OK to ignore that prohibiting the enforcement of laws effectively eliminates those laws.

    7. Re:About that... by king+neckbeard · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Prison is a punishment. In an ideal world, it would be a punishment for anti-social behavior, but prison is often used as a political tool. For example. a lot of people in prison are there on non-violent drug charges, and a good chunk of those in there for violent charges because the prior drug charges hurt their employment opportunities. These people were unjustly put in the cage by the state, so they certainly need the ability to vote.

      As for your concern about criminals buying pardons, it just doesn't work out unless there is a ridiculous, yet legitimate prison population. El Salvador has the highest homicide rate, at 83 per 100k. If we multiply that over 10 years, that's still only 0.83%, even in the murder capital of the world, easily within the margin of error. If there are enough violent criminals that they constitute a major voting block, your country has far bigger problems.

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    8. Re:About that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      In Australia, voting is compulsory for citizens aged 18+, otherwise eligible prisoners serving a full-time term of less than 3 years can still vote in federal elections (it's a little unclear on whether you MUST vote, like those on the outside). Serving more than 3 years
      you are ineligible. Rules for state and local level elections vary.

      https://www.aec.gov.au/Enrolling_to_vote/Special_Category/Prisoners.htm
       

    9. Re:About that... by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2

      Because it was understood as common f'ing sense that non-citizens not be counted toward representation in government.

      WRONG.

      Article 1 of the US Constitution states,

      Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.

      The "other Persons" being slaves, who were definitely *not* considered citizens.

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    10. Re:About that... by king+neckbeard · · Score: 2

      Perhaps they should have considered voting for people to legalize these drugs BEFORE they went about using or dealing them.

      Okay, so you're too damn sheltered/not paranoid enough to have a reasonable adult conversation.

      Tight elections can be won with far smaller margins. I recall that an election for POTUS was won based on the margin of less than 600 votes in a district in Florida.

      And while Florida has a lot of problems and weirdness, I suspect that a campaign promise of "SETTING MURDERERS FREE" is going to cost more votes than the total prison population. Your fears are rooted in a situation that has no reasonable chance of ever happening.

      Let's also consider the logistics on this, should a person in prison vote based on where they lived before being incarcerated?

      Generally speaking, I'd say that the equivalent of an absentee ballot at their last address would be appropriate.

      If what you claim is true, that the voting block of prisoners are unlikely to change the results of the vote then that only means that allowing prisoners to vote gains us little to nothing in determining the outcome

      Yes, practically speaking, the vote of prisoners is not important to the outcome. It is important in terms of principle and precedent. If you can jail people to keep them from voting, then the law can be utilized to silence your enemies. That is a lot of the reason for the war on drugs, which is responsible for our enormous prison population.

      Most likely, prisoners voting won't drastically change election results, but the threat of disenfranchisement is much more realistic than the threat of violent criminals hijacking our democracy.

      On top of that I don't want criminals voting in other criminals should the margin be close enough that it might get them past the post.

      Then your concern would be with lobbyists, not the prison system.

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    11. Re:About that... by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Disenfranchisement of felons is a downhill slope. You punish people unfairly, then take away the only right they might use to help change the system so it doesn't happen to others. We tell prospective citizens that the right to vote is the most important right they have (in fact it is the "correct" answer to a question on the citizenship test) and then we go on to deprive even people who were born here of that right.

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    12. Re:About that... by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Trying to require something as simple as ID is labelled as "racism" and results in lawsuits."

      Only where states create onerous requirements for getting ID. Frankly, no one should pay a fee for something that is for the convenience of the government. It should come out of the general fund and be paid for by taxes. No one should need to pay money to exercise their rights.

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    13. Re:About that... by blindseer · · Score: 2

      But can do nothing to verify that the person casting that ballot is a US citizen. Trying to require something as simple as ID is labelled as "racism" and results in lawsuits.

      Here's what's racist about this, assuming minorities are too poor, ignorant, or lazy to register to vote and get an ID like everyone else.

      That said I do have some objection to requiring an ID to vote.

      We should be able to vote based on something like a sworn testimony of the identity of the person casting the vote much like we have done for ages with other legal documents like birth certificates, marriage licenses, licenses to drive, and so forth. Those that sign as witness to a ballot cast under false pretenses should be charged with the same crime as the person casting the ballot. Require the signature of two or three people for those voting without ID so no one person can allow a vote. Perhaps have other controls like the witnesses cannot be registered for the same party, age limits (of course), living in the community, and so forth. Having a person walk in, with no government issued ID, and no one willing to attest to their identity, should be denied a ballot.

      I've seen this happen at Amateur radio license testing sessions. Someone that's under the age of 16 is unlikely to have a photo ID. Maybe they have a school ID but that's not necessarily a legal document. In such cases there's a process of something like both parents showing ID, signing something that the person taking the test is their child, there's three examiners that have to sign off on it (as do all exams, even for adults with proper ID), and this is deemed acceptable by the FCC. There's a paper trail to the examiners and the witnesses by means of noting their identifying details on a document.

      Here's what I heard, and I'm willing to see evidence to the contrary, that voter participation GOES UP when voter ID laws are in place. This happens because now people have greater faith in that their vote actually counts. I don't much care if voter ID laws deny access to voting to some people. If they can't be bothered to get a photo ID to vote then I don't want them voting. I'm not racist enough to think minorities are too ignorant, poor, or lazy to get an ID and register to vote like I did.

      Nothing here shows any fear of immigrants. It shows a disdain for criminals, however. Not every immigrant is a criminal.

      Stop calling them "immigrants" if they have failed to enter the country legally and have no intention of obtaining citizenship. They are aliens. They are illegal aliens. If they do in fact plan to stay but did so by crossing the border illegally then they are squatters, invaders, or perhaps even spies. We used to hang spies, do we still do that? I'm getting real close to thinking we should take a stronger stance on this and declare these border crossings an invasion by a hostile nation. Perhaps even charge a few people with spying. If Mexico won't do their part in stopping this then maybe make an example of a few of the worst offenders and hang them high.

      Again, I'm not saying we SHOULD hang any of these people for spying, only that I'd consider it something that needs to be discussed openly and with representatives from Mexico.

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    14. Re:About that... by magzteel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Trying to require something as simple as ID is labelled as "racism" and results in lawsuits."

      Only where states create onerous requirements for getting ID. Frankly, no one should pay a fee for something that is for the convenience of the government. It should come out of the general fund and be paid for by taxes. No one should need to pay money to exercise their rights.

      ID requirements are challenged no matter what the government does. Bringing ID vans to neighborhoods and making it free makes no difference. It will be challenged by testifying that there is at least one person who just can't possibly manage to do it no matter how easy it is. I bet they would manage to make it if you were giving away free cell phones. They would manage if you needed an ID to claim your free cell phone.

      I think it's crazy that some groups would rather spend their resources fighting a voter ID requirement than helping people who don't have an ID get one. In my opinion the only reason to do this is they know the ID requirement will reduce voter fraud.

    15. Re:About that... by kbahey · · Score: 2

      Your post is full of inaccuracies, and therefore much of your conclusions are flawed.

      In the US we allow about 1.1 million legal immigrants per year, which is generous in comparison to any other country. That's enough to skew the economy, make jobs hard to get, and puts a burden on the infrastructure

      Canada had 35 million people in the last census, and admits 260,000 legal immigrant annually. That is 0.74% of the population. The USA has 325 million now, and the 1.1 million you quoted would be 0.33%. As you can see, Canada admits more than double the number per capita.

      Many Americans like to think they are unique and special, but they are not, and they are even less than other industrial countries. Look at health care in the G7 and compare it to the US for just one example.

      The whole refugee thing started because of Arab Spring (remember that?), which was 8 years ago!

      It started in 2011, but it is not over yet in many areas. The Syrian Civil War is what drove refugees from Arab countries in the following year (and that war is still on-going, check what is happening in Deraa, the cradle of the Syrian uprising). Most of the Syrian refugees are in neighboring countries (Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, ...etc). A relatively small fraction makes it to Europe.

      And the Arab Spring is not the largest driver for migrants. There are migrants from Afghanistan (the aftermath of the American invasion, and the subsequent weak governments, Taliban, ...etc.) and Iraq (same drivers). Most of the refugees are from Subsaharan Africa. Desertificaiton, ISIS terrorism, economy, corruption, ..etc., drives people to cross the Sahara and go on boats to Italy, Malta, Spain, ...etc.

      It is going to get worse, as long as we have climate deniers who prevent a world wide concerted effort to mitigate the effects: less arable land, less pasture for live stock, so people will pick up and leave.

      You can see visualizations of migrant and terrorism data by a data scientist.

    16. Re:About that... by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      "So don't break the law if you don't want to go to prison and lose your ability to vote."

      Most of the people going to prison for drug offenses are short on opportunity. They don't see another choice. The same system designed to keep a handful of racially and economically privileged men in power is designed to keep them in poverty. Meanwhile, the beneficiaries of that system commit crimes that harm the masses with both regularity and impunity. They do not follow the law, but they are not punished. This is not about the law at all, it's about the status quo.

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    17. Re:About that... by king+neckbeard · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Drugs generally aren't worth punishment, and that's what kind of non-violent offender fills our prisons. As for the violence, I'm talking about the first time they were put in a cage being unjust. The later violence is often hard to avoid, due to the fact that our prisons don't rehabilitate, and the first offense will lead to difficulty finding employment, which leads to more drugs and often, to violent crime. Judging those people doesn't really work with standard moral views, because they are caught up by forces much larger than them. The real problem is systemic, and as people who understand first-hand how the system is broken, they deserve to have their input heard on fixing it.

      Universal suffrage should be considered the norm, and the necessity for excluding a group from said suffrage needs a strong rationale. So long as the majority of the population thinks crime is bad, and a minority of the population is in prison, we don't really risk actual criminals getting extreme leniency. What we do see is amnesty for bullshit crimes, which Obama did quite a bit of, and states are starting to do as well. Blindseer is obsessing over a completely contrived hypothetical.

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    18. Re:About that... by king+neckbeard · · Score: 2

      Yeah, people go to jail on purpose to fight against unjust laws, and people getting angry about those laws as being unjust. If you don't get angry, the system breaks down.

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  7. Re:Part of the Plan for a Police State by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Merkel is the one who oversaw in introduction of really strong privacy laws and tried to find a workable, humane solution to the migrant crisis.

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  8. Re:Because it's a hyper competitive job market by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

    Right. Most people have mobile phones in case they suddenly get a job interview.

  9. Re:Not the economic migrants that are the problem by religionofpeas · · Score: 2

    The economic migrants come to your country for a better life. They integrate well into society.

    No they don't. Many of them just want free benefits.

  10. Re:some? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Countries should only admit good-looking immigrants.

    They should be really good-looking too, as in "raise the national average" good-looking. For example, the certain parts of the US and Scandinavia would halt all immigration, because the people are gorgeous and handsome. Europe would severely reduce immigration, except for England, whose gene pool needs much improvement after centuries of inbreeding to preserve so-called "nobility".

    Central & subsaharan Africa would accept everyone except people with deformities and retardation. Asia should follow a similar policy and accept everyone except really ugly blacks and ugly mixed-race people.

    This would make the world a much better place for all the people worth improving it for. The rest are a disgusting liability and a burden.

  11. Re:"Some" by Green+Mountain+Bot · · Score: 2

    The main issue I have with those requirements is the requirement to learn the "native language". The US doesn't have one. Some states have official languages, but even then, you've got more than one - New Mexico declared both English and Spanish official languages. Hawaiian is an official language in Hawaii, French in Louisiana, and Alaska has 21 official languages (most of which are actual native languages).

    I also think that the language issue takes care of itself after the first generation. You're not going to find many second generation immigrants from anywhere who still don't know the main language where they move. The inconvenience of not knowing it far outweighs the difficulty of learning it, so they learn it.

  12. Re:some? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2, Insightful

    sanctuary cities that don't obey the laws and cooperate.

    Sanctuary cities do obey the law, and have no legal obligation to cooperate.

  13. Re:Not the economic migrants that are the problem by Tailhook · · Score: 2

    it's the ones escaping violence. The actual refugees. The economic migrants come to your country for a better life. They integrate well into society. The refugees are forced out by violence. They don't want to be in your country, they want to go home. So they don't integrate.

    The people of Southern Europe are no longer indulging this sort of hair splitting. They can't afford to any longer.

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  14. Re:some? by Alypius · · Score: 2

    There's more to being a refugee than being really really ridiculously good-looking. Even if they are wearing Derelicte.

  15. Re:Telescreens by fazig · · Score: 2

    Didn't you read "A Brave New World"? Maybe we don't design humans outright, but there's enough evolutionary programming in us already that can be exploited.
    Ask yourself why would anyone willingly consume and pay for poisons like cigarettes or alcohol? Consume and pay for unhealthy food, sit in front of that that TV, spent hours a day on the internet on social media looking at pictures and videos of cute animals, funny pictures and videos, and so forth.

  16. Re:Part of the Plan for a Police State by iggymanz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes there are rights for when they are hunted, captured, detained and deported. All that is legal under the law. That has never changed.

    There are laws for refugees. There are laws for immigration.

    You do not advocate the rule of law. That is wrong.

  17. A soldier in the UK working immigration said... by VAXcat · · Score: 3, Interesting

    He related that manyl of the refugees he'd come across seemed to have managed to lose all of their identity papers and documents, but all of them seemed to have been able to hold on to their smartphones and selfie sticks.

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  18. Re: It's got nothing to do with the police state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    Bollocks. A lot of the places in the world have always been completely broken.

  19. Re:Part of the Plan for a Police State by umghhh · · Score: 2

    Not sure if there was a plan. I mean besides 'Merkel is forever' one.
    The fact is however that this was all predictable. But first things first: borders were open before you just had to show a pass, sometimes visa and some such. This is not a closed border. I lived under closed border regime together with Merkel so I can tell. The open border that she and her minions are blathering about is no border - no checks allowed. This goes as far as not to check age of people claiming to be minors - something that in Germany has a significant financial reward for the 'minor'. As for refugees - I would not call all of them rapefugees but the media refusing to address these problems for 3 years now made it impossible to distinguish between those that rape and those that don't. So here we go. A regime that refuses to control borders is at some point forced to install cameras on each railway station and public square and equip it with face recognition software - that is what previous minister of interior started doing after wave of crime (that according to the official statistics does not exist) started making people uncomfortable.

  20. Re:some? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    An obvious troll, admittedly, but I'd still like to see what the person posting this looked like in real life.

    Spoiler; probably *not* someone who's posting AC nonsense to Slashdot because they're in hiding from hordes of supermodels after them for their aesthetically perfect body and have nothing better to do. :-)

  21. Re:some? by sexconker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The federal government is the one who decides who can and cannot enter the country, and the Executive branch is tasked with securing the border and enforcing immigration laws.

    States may not have to specifically aid the feds for certain things, but they cannot actively interfere with their operations. Doing so makes them active participants in crime. And yes, entering the country illegally is a crime. As is aiding and abetting such criminals.

  22. Bring the numbers down? by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 2

    The population of the EU is around 511 million. So far this year, 42,000 undocumented migrants have entered Europe. Compared to the population of the EU, that's a rounding error. The EU can easily accommodate the numbers of refugees coming in. The EU is not overwhelmed or being flooded by migrants and anyone publishing headlines or broadcasting news to that effect shouldn't be considered journalists (journalists are supposed to report facts, their implications, and keep things in perspective). Additionally, every EU country has ratified the UNHCR Convention and Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees. In other words, EU member countries have a legal obligation to accommodate refugees.

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  23. Re:Not the economic migrants that are the problem by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2
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  24. Re:Fraudulent asylum applications != Refugees by AHuxley · · Score: 2

    Illegal migrants have considered such fraud prevention in every nation they could register in. Thats why they don't register in the first safe nation they enter.
    A bank account for payments from a gov linked to photo ID linked to biometric data at a federal level? Avoid that nation with good banking laws.
    A nation that allows an illegal migrant to register under a list of names and has no active reconciliation between gov payments, the ID and banks? Try that nation that will not investigative fraud.

    Someone is offering legal insight to illegal migrants into the enforcement of each nation and directing illegal migrants to nations that do not track their banking systems and photo ID's

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  25. Re:some? by Raenex · · Score: 2

    Bullshit. Which law?

    Obstruction of justice:

    "Obstruction charges may also be laid in unique situations such as refusal to aid a police officer, escape through voluntary action of an officer and refusing to assist prison officers in arresting escaped convicts."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... :

    "[Section] 507. Officers to make character known; assistance for officers[3]

    (a) Every customs officer shall-- (1) upon being questioned at the time of executing any of the powers conferred upon him, make known his character as an officer of the Federal Government; and (2) have the authority to demand the assistance of any person in making any arrest, search, or seizure authorized by any law enforced or administered by customs officers, if such assistance may be necessary."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... :

    "In the United States, a customs officer is a federal law enforcement officer working to enforce customs laws as well as over 400 laws for other federal agencies. Customs officers enforce these laws for every person or thing that enters or leaves U.S. Among their many functions are detecting and confiscating contraband, making sure that import duties are paid, and preventing those without legal authorization from entering the United States. In the past, American customs officers were part of the Department of the Treasury, the oldest law enforcement agency in the U.S., dating back to 1789. U.S. Customs (CBP) is the second highest revenue collector in the United States through fines, collection of duties, and illegal money seized; only the IRS collects more money for the federal government. Every day, on average, U.S. Customs arrests 135 suspects of different crimes, seizes 2,313 pounds of narcotics, confiscate 196 firearms, intercept 210 fraudulent documents, prevents 54 criminal aliens from entering the U.S., and detains one suspected terrorist. Customs officers need no probable cause to search, detain, or seize anything or any person. Today customs officers work for the Department of Homeland Security within U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Office of Investigations. They are present at every international airport, seaport, and all land border crossings."

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  27. Re: How about they NOT BREAK THE LAW!!! by Cederic · · Score: 2

    Where did you go to school, because they're clearly teaching a very distorted view of history.

    I mean, lets consider countries the British strongly influenced. Nope, not seeing refugees from Antigua, Australia, Bangladesh, Barbados, Belize, Botswana, Brunei, Cameroon, Canada, China, Dominica, Egypt, Fiji, Ghana, Grenada, Grenadines, Guyana, India, Israel, Jamaica, Kenya, Kiribati, Lesotho, Malawi, Malaysia, Malta, Mauritius, Mozambique, Namibia, Nauru, New Zealand, Nigeria, Pakistan, Papua New Guinea, Cyprus, Samoa, Seychelles, Singapore, Solomon Islands, South Africa, Sri Lanka, St Christopher and Nevis, St Lucia, St Vincent, Swaziland, The Bahamas, Tonga, Trinidad and Tobago, Tuvalu, Uganda, United Republic of Tanzania, USA, Vanuatu, Zambia or Zimbabwe.

    So Rwanda, Sierra Leone and Myanmar are the only ones with any recent trouble, one of those was a racial issue unrelated to the UK and one of them is a religious one also related to the UK.

    Meanwhile four of them are nuclear powers, most of them are stable and provide safety for their citizens and in general they've benefited greatly from the British influence into their legal systems and governance.

    Sure, the UK have also influenced places like Libya, Iraq and Syria. All three of them were killing their own citizens in vast numbers first, so don't go pretending the UK caused any of this.

    I'll let people from other western powers defend their own countries.