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The EU's Controversial Copyright Law Has Been Rejected -- For Now (bbc.com)

Members of the European Parliament have voted to reject a controversial copyright law in its current form, deciding to return to the issue in September. From a report: The law would have put a greater responsibility on individual websites to check for copyright infringements. But the web's inventor Sir Tim Berners-Lee and others had expressed concerns about the proposed rules, which they said threatened internet freedom. Opponents greeted the decision as a victory. Julia Reda, a Pirate Party MEP who had campaigned against the legislation tweeted: "Great success: Your protests have worked! The European Parliament has sent the copyright law back to the drawing board." BPI Music, which represents UK record labels, had supported the bill and tweeted: "We respect the decision... we will work with MEPs over the next weeks to explain how the proposed directive will benefit not just European creativity, but also internet users and the technology sector."

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  1. Bullshit ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    BPI Music, which represents UK record labels, had supported the bill and tweeted: "We respect the decision... we will work with MEPs over the next weeks to explain how the proposed directive will benefit not just European creativity, but also internet users and the technology sector."

    Lies, damned lies, and the public statements by the assholes in the copyright cartels.

    This will benefit nobody but the copyright people, and greatly harm everyone else.

    So much bullshit.

    1. Re:Bullshit ... by Faluzeer · · Score: 3, Informative

      Whilst I mostly agree with you, I believe it will also benefit the politicians as they will no doubt receive financial incentives to help change their votes when this is next debated.

    2. Re:Bullshit ... by The+Cynical+Critic · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Even if it wasn't an industry as heavy in lobbying as the record industry, lobbyist pushed bills tend to be like slasher villains. No matter how many times and how gruesomely you kill them, they'll be back before you know it.

      The worst part about this bill is the (rather aptly numbered) 13th article and how it forces content platforms to automatically scan content for copyrighted works, but completely forgets about fair use for purposes like satire, criticism, education and how nobody's come up with an even remotely accurate automated way of telling those uses apart from copyright infringement. Not only does this significantly increase the cost of trying to create a social media service in Europe, it's also rife for abuse where people use copyright to stifle free speech.

      The second really dumb part, the 11th article, is really just the publishing industry shooting itself in the foot. In Germany the publishing house Springer lobbied in a similar law and all it did was cause companies like Google and Facebook to just become careful and not display links to articles by Springer owned publications, which cause readership and advertisement revenue to drop for these publications.

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    3. Re: Bullshit ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Paradoxically, this BPI media cartel is from the UK.

    4. Re: Bullshit ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And in Spain, they just shut off the service, leaving the greedy media mobsters crying "but we wanted you to paaaaay!"

    5. Re:Bullshit ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You must be extremely gullible if you think that countries on their own can do better the EU as a whole when it comes to negotiating with the IP mafia...

    6. Re:Bullshit ... by MrMr · · Score: 2

      This reaction is actually quite amusing. 'Explaning' why they voted the wrong way is exactly the same game that MEPs play with their dumb voters as well. Nice to see the bullshitters bullshitted.

    7. Re:Bullshit ... by fazig · · Score: 1

      As you mention slasher villains. This isn't the first incarnation either. Remember SOPA, PIPA, and ACTA? Pretty much the same bullshit as this article - tried and failed.
      It will be back under a different name, maybe under different pretence, terrorism and child protection are always a good disguise.

  2. Reasonal copyright by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Itâ(TM)s amazing how backwards the copyright laws are and the push from the music, movie and tech industries to make them worse. Twenty years top on the copyright, vetted take down notices, fixed royalty prices at time of filing and there shoukd be a use it or lose it clause too.

    1. Re: Reasonal copyright by mrbester · · Score: 1

      Why is your special apostrophe different to GP’s?

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    2. Re: Reasonal copyright by butchersong · · Score: 1

      Give them a break... Unicode is still fairly new.

  3. BMI's explanation by sconeu · · Score: 4, Funny

    How will it benefit internet users?

    Well, it will make our executives a lot of money, and those executives use the Internet, so it benefits internet users.

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    1. Re:BMI's explanation by davecb · · Score: 1

      The emphasis may well be toward explaining how it affects money in "the technology sector." rather than benefits to actual humans.

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  4. Optics by sjbe · · Score: 1

    The law would have put a greater responsibility on individual websites to check for copyright infringements.

    Rather a substantial understatement there...

    Opponents greeted the decision as a victory. Julia Reda, a Pirate Party MEP who had campaigned against the legislation tweeted: "Great success: Your protests have worked!

    You know calling yourself the "Pirate Party" doesn't really boost your credibility when it comes to issues like copyright infringement. I'm not saying they are wrong but the optics of it aren't super helpful to those who are less invested in the issue - namely most of the general public.

    "We respect the decision... we will work with MEPs over the next weeks to explain how the proposed directive will benefit not just European creativity, but also internet users and the technology sector."

    Translation: "If it wasn't for those meddling kids we would have gotten away with it too!"

    1. Re:Optics by cre1mer · · Score: 1

      You know calling yourself the "Pirate Party" doesn't really boost your credibility when it comes to issues like copyright infringement.

      Argh, matey! Especially when your party doesn't have any real pirates, pirate ships and pirate booty..

  5. BMI's actual quote by chill · · Score: 1

    Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the lawyers of war!

    It is much better in the original Klingon, but the BMI Ferengi won't stoop to speaking in Klingon.

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    1. Re: BMI's actual quote by bestweasel · · Score: 2

      The original Earth quote had "dogs" instead of "lawyers" but it's an easy mistake to make when translating.

    2. Re:BMI's actual quote by jwhyche · · Score: 2

      Havoc! jach, 'ej veS lawyers slip!

      Bing translator does.

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  6. UK Record labels? by houghi · · Score: 2

    Fuckoof and wait till Brexit is complete and start your 1984 wet dream over there.

    I said it before and I will say it again. What we should do is exchange England and Wales with Canada. Europe keeps Scotland and N-Ireland and gets Canada and Northern America will get England and Wales and can build their own paradise. (probably without any gambling or hookers. Sorry, not sorry)

    It would be much easier to build the wall and the whole world will be paying the Mexicans to build it. After that we can start filling it with the extra water they cause by the melting of the icebergs.

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  7. Never forget by Rik+Sweeney · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The good guys need to be lucky every time. The bad guy only needs to be lucky once.

    1. Re:Never forget by Jahta · · Score: 1

      The good guys need to be lucky every time. The bad guy only needs to be lucky once.

      This is why we all need to make sure that our members of parliament (EU and national) are in no doubt about the opposition to this kind of law. Find out how your MEPs voted, and tell the ones who voted for these measures that they are losing your vote; they are up for reelection in 2019.

      And as voting seems to have mainly run along party lines, if your MEP's party supports this then tell their colleagues in your national parliament that it's a vote loser for them too.

  8. What makes you think Canada... by RedK · · Score: 1

    ... wants any part of your failing, debt ridden dictatorship ? Canada is quite happy setting its own policies without being overridden by an unelected foreign political body it has no direct influence over.

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  9. An alternate proposal is needed by mysidia · · Score: 1

    Being on the defensive does NOT work for the long run. Ultimately those who oppose the unfettered expansion of copyright and suppression of rights and privileges we enjoy today need to come up with our own proposal to beat them back. An act that will greatly expand fair use and protect the rest of the world from having to enforce these companies' copyrights: while at the same time balancing the copyright so that they cannot reasonably scream "Unfair" ----- we need a proposal that most of the population would be willing to aggressively pledge their support to, even Musicians, Artists, and other creative people that make the copyrightable works,
      So it's gotta be fair ---- but it's gotta be the opposite of these propositions such as "Filtering", or "DMCA-Like" rules that serve to stifle expression and interfere with fair use; We need to put an end to claims against casual Youtubers for "background music",
    and for commercial users, limit them to the ability to claim reasonable royalties based on peak simultaneous views highly restricted in maximum value; recognize the right of the people to share transformative creative expressions like Memes, Etc, without the consent of their originator.

    The EU copyright filtering proposal came up because POWERFUL players are strongly in favor of a law like this one: these are players who don't believe in any kind of fair use and want automatic INDISCRIMINATE blocking of anything based off their famous material -- that they've often already massively profited from: This is about these players' boundless greed, and these powerful heavily funded players are able to make strongly persuasive proposals to legislators who don't necessarily fully understand the negatives of the proposals; then there's a whole system where these players tap their vast wealth resources to manufacture ARTIFICIAL public support for their propositions ---- they have no qualms against bribing politicians with campaign dollars and hiring partners to write letters from millions of fake people and other acts in their favor that involve paid confederates pretending to be concerned citizens.

    The powerful players that want the filtering law are mainly concerned about profits and protecting them -- and they WILL be back with either more proposals, or the same proposal in a same or different forum, with more assets strategically deployed to support proposals in this direction of desired results --- and if Social Media or the World Wide Web or the Internet or something else like that is standing in their way.... they are happy if it gets bulldozed in the process / they'll push ignoring or downplaying the issue at the time of legislation and do whatever is in their power to do what they think protects their profits, even if it side consequences are it DESTROYs massive value for the rest of society and everyone else after the proposal becomes law.

    1. Re:An alternate proposal is needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      We already had alternative proposals in order to mediate, but they were rejected in the JURI commission. They were probably pretty sure to be able to get the whole package with no compromise.

    2. Re:An alternate proposal is needed by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Get a VPN to the USA and enjoy the internet freedom. Escape the EU gov censorship.

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      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    3. Re:An alternate proposal is needed by mysidia · · Score: 1

      The next version of the copyright filtering act will probably require VPN detection and blocking as well.

    4. Re:An alternate proposal is needed by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      France and Spain also really need to stop the internet cartoons and memes about their national politics.
      The internet has to be controlled and filtered to prevent such uploads.
      VPN detection could offer the account holder to turn off their VPN. Risk the EU social media account they logged into getting banned on detection of VPN use.
      Want to use EU social media in the EU? Not if any VPN is detected.

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  10. It was a proposed law with two bad elements in. by Sique · · Score: 4, Informative
    It was not just about turning platform providers into preemptive Copyright cops. There was a second provision: the Ancillary Copyright for press publishers. Similar laws were tried in several EU countries (e.g. Belgium, Spain, Germany), with not much success, as the belgian law is withdrawn, the german version is still enforced, but for EUR 3 million in ligitation cost, it made so far around EUR 20,000 for press editors, and the spanish version caused Google News to no longer listing any spanish publications.

    It was always argued that the large U.S. based internet companies like Google and Facebook would profit from being able to list snippeds of online press articles in their search results, news aggregations and timelines, and thus they should pay the press publishers for the priviledge to get those snippets. As it turned out, the true priviledge was for the press publishers to be listed, because as soon as Google delisted press publishers demanding payments according to the Ancillary Copyright, their traffic numbers plummeted. So Belgium withdrew the law, and in Germany, all press publishers gave Google a free license (and with lawsuits managed to drive all competing news aggregators out of business).

    Now they attempt the same in the whole EU, hoping to get a critical mass large enough to get Google to agree into payments for the little snippets.

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  11. Sound bites by sjbe · · Score: 1

    "Pirate party" definitely does make a stupid first impression.

    In a sound bite obsessed media culture and a lazy electorate that's probably the only impression you are going to get to make. Sad but true. A complex nuanced argument like copyright is going to be won by the best soundbite with the biggest megaphone even if that argument is breathtakingly wrong.

  12. Clueless about politics by sjbe · · Score: 1

    If you obsess over the word "pirate" Then your support was never available anyway and not needed.

    It's that sort of idiotic and arrogant attitude that resulted folks like Trump getting elected despite spouting breathtakingly idiotic sound bites. Believe it or not, copyright is pretty far down the list of things most people obsess over so a well placed sound bit or two can make a LOT of difference. They don't give a shit about nuance or abstract concepts. In politics you have to play the game and sound bites are part of the game. Calling themselves "pirates" makes it REALLY easy for the opposition to gain votes among the lazy and credulous who comprise a LOT of the voting public.

    Anyone so easily swayed would never manage to resist propaganda.

    Evidently you haven't noticed that vast swaths of the voting public fall into that category.

  13. Europe by DrYak · · Score: 1

    In a sound bite obsessed media culture and a lazy electorate

    Please notice the TFA is about the EU.
    Although we're undeniably on a downward slope on our side of the Atlantic too,
    things haven't devolved to the kind of shit show that they're having in the US.

    Yet.

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    1. Re:Europe by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      French politics have been a shitshow for 70 years. Italian, even worse. Don't even look at Greece. They've been getting elected on 'larger handouts' for so long, they've broken their economies.

      Germany can only carry Europe so far.

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    2. Re:Europe by sjbe · · Score: 3, Informative

      Please notice the TFA is about the EU.

      Doesn't make a difference. The only thing that changes is which sound bites work. There is no evidence to suggest that EU voters are substantially let vulnerable to sound bites and lazy journalism than those in the US. Not as if Europe hasn't had their share of breathtakingly horrible leaders within the last century either. Personally I think England and the US voters keep trying to outdo each other in a contest to see who can do the dumbest thing possible.

      GB: "Let's exit this EU thing at huge cost to our economy"
      US: "Hold my beer..." *elects Donald Trump*

  14. Translation of "rejected": by eth1 · · Score: 1

    "This got waaaay too much publicity, and was making us look bad, so we're going to try again later and be more sneaky about it."

  15. EU parliament's power by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    EU parliament used its only real power, which is to reject a directive.That does not happen often, and it is a pity that the only elected institution in EU is mostly unable to push its own legislative projects.

  16. Re:Carry? They CAUSED it. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

    I have dual German and American citizenship. The Germans are carrying Europe.

    Fuckoff with your Nazi claims. These days anybody that doesn't want to destroy Israel is called a Nazi by pinheaded neo-stalinists. It's backward year.

    There are FAR more Germans in America then vice versa, people continue to vote with their feet. Europe is nice to visit, but only a fool would want to live there.

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    John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'