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Kim Dotcom Can Be Extradited To US On Copyright Charges, New Zealand Court Rules (yahoo.com)

schwit1 shares a report from Yahoo News: Megaupload founder Kim Dotcom suffered a major setback in his epic legal battle against online piracy charges Thursday when New Zealand's Court of Appeal ruled he was eligible for extradition to the United States. The German national, who is accused of netting millions from his file sharing Megaupload empire faces charges of racketeering, fraud and money laundering in the U.S., carrying jail terms of up to 20 years. Dotcom had asked the court to overturn two previous rulings that the Internet mogul and his three co-accused be sent to America to face charges. Instead, a panel of three judges backed the FBI-led case, which began with a raid on Dotcom's Auckland mansion in January 2012 and has dragged on for more than six years. His lawyer tweeted he would appeal to the NZ Supreme Court.

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  1. wow by cholby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    that's disgusting. US laws now World Laws? I'm expat soon

    1. Re:wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, different countries sign extradition treaties with each other for a variety of reasons. In many cases, countries seek favorable trade agreements with the US in exchange. The US is especially interested in copyright and IP law since it is a strong export of ours. If IP law is not enforced internationally, the US stands to suffer a huge economic blow (regardless of whether you think it is moral, this is an economic fact)

    2. Re:wow by Desprez · · Score: 4, Interesting

      DID MegaUpload host data in the US though?

      I've seen some info about servers being transported to the US for the prosecution, which means those, at least, weren't in the US to begin with. But I didn't immediately find any info if some were already operating here.

    3. Re:wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How odd.

      YouTube has servers in the USA which provide gigabytes of infringing content, care to mansplain why they aren't being prosecuted?

      Or are you just a mindless RIAA shill?

  2. time for him to pick another country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    and hold out somewhere else that doesn't extradite.
    Maybe Snowden would like some company?

    1. Re:time for him to pick another country by rahvin112 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The case against him is honestly a bit trumped up, they are basically trying to prosecute him for offering a legitimate service a-la Google Drive, DropBox, icloud, etc and the government is going to be faced with trying to prove his service only offered infringing services (because valid uses for the service mean it's legal, just like the government can't ban ownership of crowbars). Providing he's already funded some good lawyers with prepaid retainers before he's extradited he's got pretty good odds of beating the Government in court. Hopefully he's used the delay in this extradition well.

      The government case against him was always built on a quick extradition, seizure of his assets so he couldn't' retain good counsel and a quick plea deal. By delaying the extradition he put himself in position to beat this charge if he was smart and put those retainers in place ASAP. If he's got retainers in place when he's extradited I wouldn't be surprised to see the government drop the case because they know they can't beat him for offering services that hundreds of other companies offer.

      This was a prosecution put forward by entertainment companies as a threat to others using federal prosecutors with connections to hollywood and the music industry, they destroyed a valid business with it and my hope is the delay in extradition allows him to stomp the prosecution then go after the return of assets the government seized, particularly the $100's of millions in dollars they siezed. Don't get me wrong, Dot-com is a dickhead grifter, but what he did didn't deserve what he got. This was a total railroading butffuck that they hoped would scare him into a plea deal by getting NZ to disregard it's own laws.

  3. Hard to pick sides by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Funny

    I know I should side with Kim. But ... it's hard to side with Kim. Every time I do, I feel like recounting my fingers to see whether I still have all of them.

    --
    We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    1. Re:Hard to pick sides by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 4, Informative

      He's not one of your New Zealand cousins. He's from Germany, and he also has a Finnish passport. He's very much abusing the hospitality of New Zealand, as a guest who brought a great deal of legal and political trouble with him.

  4. I am ashamed to be a New Zealander by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Only sometimes, and this is one of those times.

    The whole thing is a shakedown, pure and simple - the FBI-led raid had KDC's wife and children held at gunpoint because KDC "was a firearms enthusiast". Despicable that our US-Ass-Kissing Government we let ourselves get conned into this bullshit.

    How can KDC and his associates are charged with "criminal copyright"... what even is that? Did anyone ever die from a movie being downloaded?

    I sincerely hope our Supreme Court has the good sense to deny the extradition, then my shame might decrease.

  5. When extradition treaties apply by gbnewby · · Score: 4, Informative

    The key to extradition between countries is that the accusation needs to be for a crime for which an extradition treaty exists. Between the US and NZ, here is a listing (which is typical of other country treaties with the US): https://internationalextraditi... ... I did RTFA, but did not find a link to the NZ court ruling to confirm the extent to which this bilateral extradition treaty was the basis for the ruling.

    Dotcom is accused of racketeering and money laundering, which would seem to be covered in the treaty section on fraud: "16. Obtaining property, money or valuable securities by false pretenses or by conspiracy to defraud the public or any person by deceit or falsehood or other fraudulent means, whether such deceit or falsehood or any fraudulent means would or would not amount to a false pretense." The definition of racketeering is something like, "dishonest and fraudulent business dealings."

    International extradition treaties are part of why plaintiffs and prosecutors seek such high crimes, in their charges. The article links to the US court filing, if you want to see the full list. Another reason is that, in the US, criminal charges are made at the highest possible level of seriousness, so that there will be a plea bargain for a lower charge, rather than bringing a case all the way to the end. Federal prosecutions in the US very rarely result in Not Guilty or in charges being dismissed (under 5%).

    That EU law that got struck down yesterday was part of an industry effort to add copyright infringement to the set of laws that would let enforcement cross national boundaries. For copyright, there is no current international extradition (at least, not with the US -- the EU has been doing its own thing). The Berne Convention, and associated treaties under WIPO, are the applicable international treaties for copyright, and do not make provisions for extradition or international enforcement for copyright violation. The fact that international boundaries are usually very easy to cross via Internet traffic is a big concern for publishers, media companies, etc., and they have been trying for a long time to extend reach of copyright laws beyond national boundaries.

    One of the earliest such cases was in 2000, and involved a US copyright law forbidding reverse engineering of encryption. The DeCSS case, https://www.technewsworld.com/..., was to bring charges against Jon Johansen in Norway for posting a decryption program. Nowadays, I would expect charges in US courts would also include crimes for which extradition treaties apply, like fraud and larceny. This is easily achieved by stipulating large $ damages (due to lost revenue, piracy, etc.).

    More recently, we know that Julian Assange is concerned about being extradited to the US under a secret indictment in the US courts. The rape charges in Sweden were sufficient for extradition from the UK (https://www.government.se/government-of-sweden/ministry-of-justice/international-judicial-co-operation/extradition-for-criminal-offences/), but Ecuador has an approach that gives higher priority to avoiding torture than the bilateral treaties. The Guardian has a nice short cheeky piece about why Edward Snowden was also thought to be en route to Ecuador, before he ended up staying in Russia: https://www.theguardian.com/wo...

    We are getting the picture, right? The US isn't the only country that seeks very high-level crimes in what are basically copyright cases, nor are they the only country where moneyed business interests are able to get the ear of criminal courts for issues that are, essentially, civil cases (a distinction that matters a lot in countries that follow common law... less so for countries with different legal heritage, like Ge