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Ex-Apple Worker Charged With Stealing Self-Driving Car Trade Secrets (reuters.com)

U.S. authorities on Monday charged a former Apple employee with theft of trade secrets, alleging that the person downloaded a secret blueprint related to a self-driving car to a personal laptop and later trying to flee the country, according to a criminal complaint filed in federal court. From a report: The complaint said that the former employee, Xiaolang Zhang, disclosed intentions to work for a Chinese self-driving car startup and booked a last-minute flight to China after downloading the plan for a circuit board for the self-driving car. Authorities arrested Zhang on July 7 at the San Jose airport after he passed through a security checkpoint. "Apple takes confidentiality and the protection of our intellectual property very seriously," Apple said in a statement. "We're working with authorities on this matter and will do everything possible to make sure this individual and any other individuals involved are held accountable for their actions."

54 comments

  1. Re:Trump will not be charged with this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Are you still bad because he won, or because he is still #winning?

  2. Re:Apple Police by saloomy · · Score: 1

    Industrial espionage does not? What if it was a board or a program you had worked on and spent hours coding and engineering?

  3. Self driving cars should be open source. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For safety's sake.

  4. Re: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    I'll take "things Trump hasn't done" for $500, Alex

  5. Apple has ways to make you talk!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They will get the truth out of you one way or another they have ways to make you talk...

    1) give them an iPhone and tell them they are not tracking it.. you know they tell the truth so you can trust them...

    2) make you watch endless Steve jobs keynote speeches...

  6. Poor guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    He was just trying to be that great artist jobs was always talking about. Stealing and copying is the apple motto.

  7. Re: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll take "things Trump hasn't done" for $500, Alex

    The answer is: "The Wall" and "Lock her up"

  8. Can we just name this? by Prien715 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    He was just trying to pull a Levandowski. All he has to do now is found a new self-driving car company. in China.
    Or maybe this act was done on Levandowski's behalf....

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    1. Re:Can we just name this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I disagree, he was pulling a Jian Yang.

      Jian Yang

  9. Re:Apple Police by reboot246 · · Score: 1

    Apple maps on a self-driving car scare me.

    Where the hell are we?
    I don't know, but aren't the car's rounded edges beautiful?

  10. Thumb drive up his butt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Claerly

  11. Re:why i work on open source software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it is morally wrong to call on the violence of the state to attack someone for sharing.

    If it's not yours to share then it's not sharing, it's theft.

  12. PCB design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It all sounds very convincing ... but the fact that the evidence which directly lead to his arrest was a PCB design makes me just a bit suspicious. We're a couple decades removed from the point where a PCB design had any chance of showing important IP.

    1. Re:PCB design by tsqr · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "Plan for a circuit board" doesn't necessarily mean "PCB design"; it could include pretty much anything from a schematic diagram to a bill of materials to FPGA design files.

    2. Re:PCB design by dgatwood · · Score: 2

      Either way, there's little point in bothering to go after this guy. As soon as Apple starts having one of their Chinese manufacturing plants fab the boards, they'll make a few extras at the end of the run and ship them to whatever Chinese self-driving car wants to steal the IP. Besides, the value is in the software anyway, not the hardware. I can't imagine Apple having any interesting hardware IP in that space. Other than miniaturization of stuff like LIDAR, and maybe specialized DSP hardware for evaluating tensor models (in which all the interesting IP is chip design, not PCB design), most of the hardware tends to be off-the-shelf.

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    3. Re:PCB design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hahah! Not likely, everyone knows that Apple has confidential contractual agreements with their Chinese OEM's so that none of the IP will be shared with thieving copycats.

  13. Typical trick by pseudocommunist China by Wolfier · · Score: 0

    Stealing technologies and pretend it's theirs.

    1. Re:Typical trick by pseudocommunist China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The think your talking about apple here.

    2. Re:Typical trick by pseudocommunist China by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      I thought that was straight up, normal default US business practice. If it is profitable enough, they will claim national security interests and some three letter agency disappears the people who actually came up with it.

      Of course routinely allowing corruption, extremely public corruption, to slide on through, is really spreading white collar crime.

      Corporation espionage is really getting out of hand but that's to be expected and it is going to get worse. Corruption will feed the corporate wars and espionage is of course part of that conflict.

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    3. Re:Typical trick by pseudocommunist China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're an idiot. It's ONE guy who was hoping to cash in on some unscrupulous startup owner. Do you really think the entire country of 1.5 billion people and the government ordered him to it?

      It's like saying all you Americans are fat, or that all of you have the same IQ of 5 points below global average, or that all of you are at fault when your stupid politicians attack other countries.

      Don't blame a whole country because of what ONE guy did.

      Also, they already have self-driving cars there. They don't need whatever it is Apple has.

    4. Re:Typical trick by pseudocommunist China by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Corporation espionage is really getting out of hand but that's to be expected and it is going to get worse.

      I haven't heard of an outright assault on an R&D facility with automatic weapons, but that supposedly happened at Seagate back in the day.

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    5. Re:Typical trick by pseudocommunist China by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      Apple stole it first. US law protects their IP built from stolen shit. Get over it.

      With all the shit going on in the world we have significant resources running around protecting private company IP because they failed to do it themselves. If my IP was stolen I would be laughed out of the AG office and told to pound sand on my way out.

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  14. Re: Trump will not be charged with this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because youâ(TM)ve done something wrong

  15. Re: Winnie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't worry there will be no trade with China in a few months with the Trade War.

  16. Access audit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm more impressed that the file access audit flagged an alarm that resulted in a manhunt! Damn!!!

    Now only if Experian had such a scheme in place to nail the hacker/s

  17. Fuck Woz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If there is anything I hate more than Apple Fanbois...It's Fucking Butthurt Historic Apple Fanbois who still worship the Apple II today.

    Fuck Woz and fuck Woz worshippers. For goodness sake it's like people still talking about Microsoft stealing from Apple in its early days.... it's irrelevant now you fucking dinosaurs.... time to move on.

    1. Re:Fuck Woz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... who still worship the Apple II today ...

      The Apple II was not just a ground breaking computer of immense historical significance. It also paid the bills for Apple. The Macintosh was a commercial money losing failure for Apple, long after Jobs' departure. You know what paid the bills until the Mac eventually reached commercial success, Woz's Apple II.

    2. Re:Fuck Woz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL. If it was not for Woz jobs would have been selling Shamwows on infomercials.

  18. Legality of apprehension in airport by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wondering what the legal justification is of arresting someone at an airport based on statements from an employer. Doesn't seem to meet the grounds for felony IP infringement as that requires distribution (which wasn't mentioned or proved-- besides if he distributed it electronically he wouldn't need the laptop).

    He copied something illegally. Courts seemingly are required to prove it's a felony.

    Must be nice to be so rich and powerful in a city you can just call the cops to do what you want.

    1. Re:Legality of apprehension in airport by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wondering what the legal justification is of arresting someone at an airport based on statements from an employer. Doesn't seem to meet the grounds for felony IP infringement as that requires distribution (which wasn't mentioned or proved-- besides if he distributed it electronically he wouldn't need the laptop).

      You assumed that the company didn't do any due diligence and/or in contact with law enforcement long before the guy was arrested. Your statement shows that you do not like Apple (bias) because you already jumped a conclusion. I somewhat understand how you feel but your post is misleading big time.

      He copied something illegally. Courts seemingly are required to prove it's a felony.

      If you have been on the Internet this long, you should have known that already instead of asking. Maybe this blog, which is an example of a similar situation, would help you understand the situation.

      Must be nice to be so rich and powerful in a city you can just call the cops to do what you want.

      Again, go back and read my first comment on your bias.

    2. Re:Legality of apprehension in airport by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      Agreed. This is exactly what happens in any small town.

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  19. How Amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A Chinese worker turns out to be a technology-spy.

    I'm shocked!

    1. Re:How Amazing by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      ROTFLMAO

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  20. Re:Apple Police by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What if it was a board or a program Xiaolang Zhang had worked on and spent hours coding and engineering?

  21. Re:Trump will not be charged with this. by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    Most other things though are looking good. That punk ass traitor will die in Federal prison and never make it to his multiple state sentences.

    Actually an incident like this plays precisely into Trump's view of China. Watch his tariff program go into hyperdrive.

  22. It wasn't his board / program by drnb · · Score: 1

    What if it was a board or a program Xiaolang Zhang had worked on and spent hours coding and engineering?

    It wasn't his. He was an employee. There's a tradeoff. You get a paycheck regardless of whether your work/project turns out to be commercially successful, you are not at risk, but you retain no ownership of your work.

    You want to share in the upside? Go work for a startup, invest your life savings, invest the money of family and friends. Be at risk. Then you get ownership and the bounty if successful.

  23. He needed control to get paid by drnb · · Score: 1

    If he distributed it electronically he might not get paid. After all, he is a thief, why would the new venture want him around? Better to steal from the thief and be done with him. Also no paper trail, or blockchain trail, of payment to him so there is some plausible deniability that the new venture was behind it, just a rouge working speculatively on his own..

  24. Re: by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

    So, two of his less important promises.

  25. Apple has self driving car trade secrets? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

    I thought they gave up on the self-driving-car stuff. Any IP they have would be third tier at best.

  26. Found a weakness by QuadEddie · · Score: 0

    A chink in the armor

  27. Re:Trump will not be charged with this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    And are you still avoiding to take responsability for the fact that the U.S. is now governed by a child rapist, among other things, because of trumptards like you ?

    "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot someone, and I still wouldn't lose any voters". Yep, that pretty much sums up everything you need to know about Trump supporters.

  28. Re:why i work on open source software by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help, help, I'm being repressed!

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  29. Re:Trump will not be charged with this. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Actually an incident like this plays precisely into Trump's view of China. Watch his tariff program go into hyperdrive.

    China is probably the only country Trump even kind of understands besides this one, because he does so much business there. As much as I personally hate the guy (and his policies on immigration, corporations, and the environment) he's not wrong about China on basically any level. The game is rigged, they do plan to run the world just like every other big nation, and tariffs (and their other business policies) are the problem.

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  30. Re: why i work on open source software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If there's still a copy there it isn't theft.
    Nothing was stolen. It was merely copied.