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'RSS Has Already Won' (brianschrader.com)

Brian Schrader, an independent software developer, writes: It's been a little over 5 years since Google Reader shut down and the world of RSS readers was tossed into the junk drawer of collective memory. But, looking back on it today, I'd actually argue that RSS and Feeds as a whole never really disappeared, only the Feed Readers did. In building Pine, and as a long time Feed Reader user, I've been pleasantly surprised over these last 5 years to see that most sites still have RSS feeds. Sure, Facebook and Twitter don't support them, but YouTube, Reddit, Squarespace, Wordpress and so many more do by default. Feeds of all kinds still exist, nearly forgotten, in the markup of most websites, and this means that Feed Readers can, and will, make a comeback someday. The foundations are already laid; the hard work is done. RSS Feeds became a standard, and were built into the tools we use to make the web today. It's almost as if we laid the tracks and built the trains for a trans-continental railroad, but we've just forgotten how to sell tickets.

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  1. Still lots of Readers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I found this post via a RSS Feed reader.

    1. Re:Still lots of Readers by munwin99 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      +1. Feedly user here.

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    2. Re:Still lots of Readers by caseih · · Score: 4, Informative

      Same here. I think the feedly Android app is a bit cumbersome (what's up with page at a time scrolling?), but it does the job. I track Slashdot, Ars, various forums, and world news sites using Feedly and RSS. Love it.

      A while back I asked the forum administrators on a forum I frequent if they could enable the RSS feed, which they did. I view that feed every day. Beats the heck out of using the web interface and trying to track activity on several sub forums.

    3. Re:Still lots of Readers by nman64 · · Score: 2

      +1

      I follow Slashdot and a bunch of other feeds through Firefox and its "Live Bookmarks". I also use RSS feeds in various other ways at home and for work.

      I don't think RSS is going away any time soon, but I'm not sure that standalone readers will ever become more popular. Instead, I think RSS will live on through features included in other applications, like Firefox, and integrations with other communication and productivity products, such as Slack.

    4. Re:Still lots of Readers by esperto · · Score: 2
      I know you didn't ask but I'll give my suggestion anyway.

      I use inoreader, the page for the desktop is very useful and the app (at least for android) is great, a lot of features including an internal small web browser to load feeds quickly with just an up or down pull gesture.

    5. Re:Still lots of Readers by rickb928 · · Score: 2

      As did I, and have for a very, very long time - before iGoogle was closed even.

      The /. URLs I respond to start with http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/, since, after all, I'm using an RSS aggregator, and I get 30-40 sites data daily this way.

      RSS not only won, it survived, and it avoids a lot of unpleasantness from many other reader methods, since it's really all mine - I choose, I configure, I delete.

      Google News for instance is so up the WaPo butt I find it hard to read most of their news posts, since I run AdBlocker and am not a subscriber. Sometimes I feel like Google News and a lot of so-called news sites are just advertising for the paywalled MSM.

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  2. Always has to be phrased like a competition, eh? by macraig · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Was it ever a competition? What was was there to "win"? Regardless, I've never stopped relying on them. I have several readers on my Android phone, and use Thunderbird on desktops to collect feeds for review alongside e-mail, which seems perfectly natural to me.

  3. Read this article via RSS & Feedly... by firebeaker · · Score: 2

    Its not dead.... perhaps not well publicized, but not dead...

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  4. It's a foundation, not a competition. by apoc.famine · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For me at least, if a website doesn't have an RSS feed, I'm not likely to frequent it. My RSS reader is how I interact with a large amount of the web. I honestly can't fathom how people can use the internet without one. It's so mentally taxing and you miss so much stuff.

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    1. Re: It's a foundation, not a competition. by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Informative

      Mainly I don't mind missing stuff

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    2. Re: It's a foundation, not a competition. by apoc.famine · · Score: 2

      At this amount of content sources, do you actually watch them or just skim through the headlines?

      Skim through the headlines until I see something that I'm interested in.

      That's the #1 use of RSS in my experience. My news feeds are nicely varied, all in one place, and consist of a headline and the first sentence or two. I skim through very quickly and efficiently, easily skip past crap I'm not interested in or that I've read on another site, and can quickly jump to the full page or save it for later.

      RSS lets me very efficiently sort signal from noise. A dozen different web pages with different layouts, constantly changing front pages, flashing ads, auto-play videos, social media feeds, and all the other crap they use to mire you on their page so their ad metrics look better make it fairly impossible to meaningfully find interesting content. RSS makes it trivial.

      As an added benefit, I don't need to spend the mental capacity to figure out if I've seen something before or if anything on a website is new. If nothing's new, nothing shows up in my RSS feed. If something is new, I get that in my RSS feed. I use it for science news, regular news, webcomics, the small number of facebook/twitter feeds I follow, forum posts, etc.

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  5. Re: Nice sentiment, but by Riceballsan · · Score: 2

    I don't know about you but I personally love RSS. Have 14 sites that add new articles daily (this place included), go to one page scroll through what has been added, don't need to refresh or look to see if any of them would have updated. Basically I can pretty easily keep up with reddit, Slashdot, and random other news sites. Plus the places that barely update once a week or so I don't have to check them, but since I'm checking my feed anyway I see their new posts right away.

  6. Google Reader shutting down was great for RSS by Sarusa · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Google Reader shut down and 10 more readers popped up - and today Feedly is much better than Google Reader was, or ever would be with Google's stewardship. It revitalized things.

    I'm not sure anyone thought RSS was dead though, except the people who want it dead like Facebook.

  7. YouTube support is at best reluctant. by pots · · Score: 5, Informative

    YouTube does, technically, support RSS feeds, but you have to know the secret handshake in order to get the feed address. Saying that feeds are "supported by default" is a little over-optimistic. Google does everything short of completely banning feeds in order to get you to stop using them and sign up with their tracking service instead.

    For the secret handshake, use either:

    "https://www.youtube.com/feeds/videos.xml?channel_id=[your channel ID here, alphanumeric string]"
    or
    "https://www.youtube.com/feeds/videos.xml?user=[username here, but the username is not always the display name. Check page source.]"

    and copy that address to your RSS reader.

    1. Re:YouTube support is at best reluctant. by swillden · · Score: 2

      YouTube does, technically, support RSS feeds, but you have to know the secret handshake in order to get the feed address.

      Or, alternatively, you could google "youtube rss" and find the Google support page that tells you how to do it: https://support.google.com/you...

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  8. RSS is flexible by imidan · · Score: 2

    I was working on a project with a guy who loved to over-engineer things. At one point, we wanted the ability to share XML documents between sites by advertising them and allowing remote sites to download them on their own schedule. He spent the evening in his hotel room drawing up a complex client-server system with an elaborate API. When we met the next morning, I said, "Why don't we just do it with RSS?" And over the next half hour we verified that RSS did everything we wanted it to, already has developed tools and APIs, and is super simple. We stood up that system in more or less its current state the Monday after we got back from the meeting. RSS FTW.

  9. Self-host TT-RSS by cerberusss · · Score: 4, Informative

    I think lots of people here have some server running somewhere. Install Tiny Tiny RSS (TT-RSS) on there, and be able to access it from anywhere. Totally open source. https://tt-rss.org/

    What's great is that there are a number of RSS reading apps that you can point to your server, so it doesn't matter whether you're on mobile or on your desktop browser. For Android, I'd suggest just use the app from the same author. For iOS, I use Tiny Reader (App Store link).

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  10. RSS: Rumors of it's demise... by rsborg · · Score: 2

    Was just a blatant move to kill it off to get people to use G+ / FB / Twitter so our every engagement can be tracked and sold to the advertisers (and possibly nation-states).

    RSS "lost" like Obi-wan lost in Episode IV. It was never really gone.

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  11. Re:from my perspective, here's what's wrong with R by jeremyp · · Score: 2

    RSS is a standardised XML format for publishing lists of articles.

    That's pretty much it.

    Its strength is that it is standardised, so if you build a reader for the RSS on one site, you've built a reader for the RSS on almost every other site. An RSS reader has the advantage over a web browser that you don't have to wade through all the crud of advertising etc to find the articles. They'll be listed in whatever order you like in a nice list view. The reader can also maintain state so it can flag articles you haven't read yet and it will give you a list of all the site RSS feeds and how many unread articles are in each one.

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  12. The main problem with RSS by DrXym · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Feeds are great but they don't align with the business models of Facebook, Yahoo, Google, et al. A feed is something outside of their control, their algorithms, their aggregation. These days if you want to use feeds you have to get an extension to do it. I use Feedbro in Firefox which is quite nice for this purpose.