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TSA Screeners Win Immunity From Abuse Claims, Court Rules (reuters.com)

Mr.Intel writes from a report via Reuters: "Fliers may have a tough time recovering damages for invasive screenings at U.S. airport security checkpoints, after a federal appeals court on Wednesday said screeners are immune from claims under a federal law governing assaults, false arrests and other abuses," reports Reuters. In a 2-1 vote, the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Philadelphia said Transportation Security Administration (TSA) screeners are shielded from liability under the Federal Tort Claims Act (FTCA) because they do not function as "investigative or law enforcement officers."

The decision, the first on the issue by a federal appeals court, was a defeat for Nadine Pellegrino, a business consultant from Boca Raton, Florida. "She and her husband had sued for false arrest, false imprisonment and malicious prosecution over a July 2006 altercation at Philadelphia International Airport," reports Reuters. According to court papers, Pellegrino had been randomly selected for additional screening at the Philadelphia airport before boarding a U.S. Airways flight to Fort Lauderdale, Florida. Pellegrino, then 57, objected to the invasiveness of the search, but conditions deteriorated and she was later jailed for about 18 hours, the papers show. Criminal charges were filed, and Pellegrino was acquitted at a March 2008 trial.

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  1. Pedophiles R US! by Balial · · Score: 5, Insightful

    i guess pretty soon every kiddy fiddler and other person who is into indecent assault will be working for the TSA, paid for by the US government. Great work.

  2. Not immune from public ostracism... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you see a TSA screener get in an accident, help the other person first, even if their car is burning. If you serve a TSA screener in a restaurant, make sure they wait a long time for stale dogfood. Ask them if they like to abuse the public if you see them in uniform off the job. Ostracism and public humiliation can be powerful tools for good.

    1. Re:Not immune from public ostracism... by youngone · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Good idea.
      That's exactly what that restaurant owner did when she told Mr. Trump's propaganda woman to leave her restaurant.
      There should be consequences for bad behaviour.

    2. Re:Not immune from public ostracism... by ClickOnThis · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, that is not exactly the same thing.

      Sarah Huckabee Sanders was was hounded out of a restaurant because people didn't want her there. I wouldn't either. But if she was in a car wreck and in danger of dying, I for one wouldn't hesitate a split-second about saving her, no matter what I think of her politics or relationship with the truth.

      Humanity first. Then politics.

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    3. Re:Not immune from public ostracism... by ClickOnThis · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's a private establishment. So they should have the right to refuse service to anyone, for any reason.

      Well...

      Whether it's because they don't feel like serving women,

      No

      or mexicans

      No

      or 2 fags wanting a cake.

      Alas, I'll give you that, given the recent SCOTUS ruling. Sexual orientation is not yet a protected status, but perhaps someday it will be.

      Sometimes life just isn't fair.

      "Sometimes?" More like often. But let us endeavour to continue to expand the boundaries of fairness.

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    4. Re:Not immune from public ostracism... by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Sarah Huckabee Sanders was was hounded out of a restaurant because people didn't want her there.

      That's still a pretty nasty attitude. As always: turn it around and see if it holds up: "[Gay couple / black person / transgender / muslim lady] got hounded out of a restaurant because people didn't want them there". Not so good, no?

      If there is someone in a restaurant that you don't like, take a deep breath, suppress your penchant for political belligerence, and mind your own business. If she's ruining your dining experience, there's no need to ruin hers and everyone else's as well by making a scene.

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    5. Re: Not immune from public ostracism... by reboot246 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I believe you're very confused. Right now in this country the ones preaching tolerance are on the left and they're the most intolerant people on earth. They want you fired, silenced, and punished if you don't agree with everything they are for. They'll even turn on their own for the slightest reason.

    6. Re: Not immune from public ostracism... by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You didn't turn anything around. You listed protected classes and a basis of core beliefs. The Huckabee thing was a protest of her actions and behavior for constantly lying to the people and being an enabler for the dotard, with absolutely zero regard for her race, color, Creed, etc.

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    7. Re:Not immune from public ostracism... by Joey+Vegetables · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Always prefer less violent means when possible. But also understand that if you make peaceful resolution of conflict impossible, you thereby make violent resolution of conflict inevitable. When "government" not only refuses to punish predators, but actively protects them, it creates the sort of conflict that, again, inevitably requires the use of defensive or retaliatory force to address.

    8. Re:Not immune from public ostracism... by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Being in the Trump administration is a choice. They could easily decide tomorrow to resign and go work somewhere else. Someone who is LGBTQ can't choose to change who they are. They can't decide tomorrow to be straight any more than a black man can decide that he's really white and have his skin tone change.

      Treating people worse because of WHO they are is discrimination. Treating people badly because of what they CHOOSE to do is consequences for their actions.

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    9. Re: Not immune from public ostracism... by tsstahl · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So decency and civility are restricted to specific laws? Really?

      Fat people are not protected by civil rights legislation, so we can hound them out of a restaurant 'for their own good', or whatever stupid opinion one may have.

      People under 5'10" are not protected, so kick those short bass turds out on their arse! I'm 6'3", so I can say that. Hopefully the preceding reads as patently absurd.

      The purpose of reductio ad absurdum in a subjective argument is show that there needs to be a line _somewhere_.

      Granted, people in the public eye have a reduced expectation of civility, but do we really want to make it OK to start hounding people out of establishments we all need to frequent? I vote no, and am doing so in part by this post.

  3. They can not detain you.... by bandi13 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If they're not "investigative or law enforcement officers", then they can not detain you, and you should be able to walk right past the security checkpoint.

  4. Don't fly by quonset · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is why I no longer fly. When the government treats you as a criminal, even though you've done nothing wrong, and you have no recourse, we've reach an Orwellian state.

    The best thing people can do is not fly and let the airlines fall apart.

    But they won't. As we see every day, people are too stupid to say no to injustices such as this. They'll gladly endure every imaginable humiliation because their government says it's for their protection.

    1. Re:Don't fly by whoever57 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is why I no longer fly. ...
      But they won't. As we see every day, people are too stupid to say no to injustices such as this.

      That's great if you don't have family and friends thousands of miles away or across oceans. It's not stupidity that makes many people fly: it's the desire to see their families.

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    2. Re:Don't fly by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is why I no longer fly. ... But they won't. As we see every day, people are too stupid to say no to injustices such as this.

      That's great if you don't have family and friends thousands of miles away or across oceans. It's not stupidity that makes many people fly: it's the desire to see their families.

      As I told my family members who moved away - I'm not important enough to live near, so you're not important enough to visit. If I show up, I do, but I'm under no obligation. But I won't fly unless it's a private flight chartered by me.

      Regardless, you are going to have to decide how much shit you want to put up with. That's how much shit you're going to take. That might include getting your children felt up. Go to Ebaum's world and look up what the TSA is allowed to do. I'd put the link here, but it looks like KP. I'm certainly going to scour my computer tonight.

      But you need to see your family. So it's okay.

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    3. Re:Don't fly by mjwx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is why I no longer fly. ... But they won't. As we see every day, people are too stupid to say no to injustices such as this.

      That's great if you don't have family and friends thousands of miles away or across oceans. It's not stupidity that makes many people fly: it's the desire to see their families.

      As I told my family members who moved away - I'm not important enough to live near, so you're not important enough to visit. If I show up, I do, but I'm under no obligation. But I won't fly unless it's a private flight chartered by me.

      Regardless, you are going to have to decide how much shit you want to put up with. That's how much shit you're going to take. That might include getting your children felt up. Go to Ebaum's world and look up what the TSA is allowed to do. I'd put the link here, but it looks like KP. I'm certainly going to scour my computer tonight.

      When I was moving to the UK from Oz, my mother tried the old guilt trip of "But I hardly see you now..." at which point I had to say "I've lived an hour away for a decade and now you're worried about seeing me".

      My point is, once you get out of the US air travel is a lot nicer. Airports are run by businesses that understand that customers want their customers to move quickly from A to B, A being whatever godforsaken mode of transport took them to the airport and B being a metal tube full of meat cargo. London Heathrow, Singapore Changi and Amsterdam Schipol are great airports that are relatively fast to get through for their size. Honestly I think I could turn up at LHR with 90 mins before wheels up and have plenty of time (and at lest 30 of that 90 mins will be walking, Heathrow is fucking massive), you couldn't hope to do that at LAX in a month of sundays. Asian airlines actually seem to care about customer service and comfort (European airlines are still crap though), standard economy on Singapore Airlines is called premium economy on others and when you're flying for 14 hours, an extra inch of leg and arse space is a godsend.

      BTW, charted and private planes are subject to TSA screening... So unless you're flying GA from and to a non TSA field, you're still up for an enhanced pat down.

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  5. They don't funcation as by oldgraybeard · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "investigative or law enforcement officers." Nope they don't, I am sure that some are good workers just trying to do a job. But now what do we do with the criminals, pervs and thieves?

    Oh that is right, they work for the government so none of them are criminals, pervs or thieves! Besides why should ordinary people have any recourse.

    Just my 2 cents ;)

    1. Re:They don't funcation as by Calydor · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Which side of the political spectrum has reined in the TSA? Did Bush? Did Obama? Has Trump?

      So who should the Americans vote for?

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  6. Re:creimer is fat and a gay! Everybody say 'Yay!' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Given that I cannot ever recall seeing one of these, they must have been eminently forgettable. On the other hand, the sheer volume of spam _about_ Creimer has
    a) made him look like a victim of targeted harassment, and
    b) been more memorable and disruptive than anything he did.

    Given that the justification for this behaviour is that Creimer's behaviour was an abuse of Slashdot, critical self reflection doesn't seem to be a strong suit of whomever is posting the anti-Criemer spam.

  7. Confused about the ruling by MobyDisk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sovereign immunity confuses the heck out of me. The idea that law enforcement is immune to prosecution is preposterous. The very concept seems to violate the 5th amendment to the constitution. Someone needs to hold them accountable.

    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law ; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

    It seems quite obvious to me that someone having the power to hold someone for 18 hours arbitrarily is not someone you want immune from prosecution. I get that the government doesn't want every criminal suing the police because they can, but the current situation seems ripe for abuse. A TSA screener should not hold that kind of power. Maybe we need to permit liability in the event that the person is acquitted or charges dropped, like what happened here?

  8. Terrorists won by rsilvergun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    we did exactly what we wanted them to do. We freaked the hell out, got involved in several pointless wars that are killing our nation (our infrastructure crumbles while we waste trillions in Iraq/Afghanistan). They played us like a harp.

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  9. Re:1990s by another_twilight · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You'd learn quickly that whining leads to more suffering, and you would quit your bleating.

    One aspect of the brutalisation that is bootcamp is to break down a normal person and to rebuild them into an effective soldier. That includes obedience to orders.
    While I respect the sacrifice that involves, to suggest that it is anything other than an ugly necessity or that it has application in a broader context suggests a kind of fetishisation of the military that is disturbing.

    Obeying a bad law is not a virtue.

    It is a necessary evil after douche bags like the shoe bomber did what they did

    The aim of terorism is not the direct damage, but the disruption of everyday life for people who might otherwise be able to ignore the conflict. To that end, the degree to which the US has increased surveillance and curtailled the freedom of its citizens is an incredible success for terrorism and part of why it keeps being used against the US.

    Your acceptance of the security theater is a 'win' for terrorism. Your chances of dying due to a terrorist attack before and after these measures is statistically unchanged.

    That your only comparison to the TSA search is a prison strip search should give you pause. Whether it's better or not the very fact that you choose boot camp and prison admission is an admission that this is something that should not be happening as a matter of course to non-criminal, non-military people.

    Please stop being an apologist.

  10. Re:Intolerance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    >Here's a clue for you. When over 90% of black people and the majority of other minorities vote for the left it's because they think (correctly) that the right is actively working against them.

    Black unemployment is at the lowest level in history thanks to Trump. Pelosi and the democRATS want the blacks in the ghetto and to shut up and vote (D) so get their meager welfare benefits.

    Black on Black crime, not LEO shootings, are the #1 killer of blacks... yet do you see the democRATS doing anything about it? No. Just more free abortions and single parent families for the welfare roles.

  11. Re:So now they're like cops... by BlueStrat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Gah! Why are things just all around getting worse dammit!?!?

    Regarding "things" in the US, it's very simple. The US government has become far too large and powerful to the point it no longer fears the people.

    "When the government fears the people, there is liberty, when the people fear their government, there is tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson

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