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Adobe To Launch Photoshop for iPad in Strategy Shift (bloomberg.com)

Adobe, the maker of popular digital design programs for creatives, is planning to launch the full version of its Photoshop app for Apple's iPad as part of a new strategy to make its products compatible across multiple devices and boost subscription sales. From a report: The software developer is planning to unveil the new app at its annual MAX creative conference in October, according to people with knowledge of the plan. The app is slated to hit the market in 2019. Engineering delays could still alter that timeline.

San Jose, California-based Adobe has been on a multiyear journey to modernize its dominant creative media software. The company shifted all of its apps to the cloud in 2012, launching a new subscription-based business model that's on track to more than double sales through the end of this fiscal year and sent the stock soaring more than 700 percent. Recently, Adobe has also begun pitching its products to hobbyists, who prefer working on mobile devices rather than PCs. Still, the company has yet to transition full versions of its best-known apps to smaller screens.

132 comments

  1. iPad before Linux. by xack · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How much money do we have to give to Adobe for a Linux version?

    1. Re:iPad before Linux. by Logger · · Score: 1

      Given the potential user base size difference, I'd say at least an order of magnitude more. I'm not even kidding. Would you pay that?

    2. Re:iPad before Linux. by MightyYar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I know the main reason I run a free OS is so that I can take advantage of all of the proprietary software.

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    3. Re:iPad before Linux. by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 3, Funny

      How much money do we have to give to Adobe for a Linux version?

      They're planning on releasing it for Linux during the year of the Linux desktop.

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    4. Re:iPad before Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How much does a wine license cost?

    5. Re:iPad before Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If there's one thing Linux users love, it's paying a subscription fee to use proprietary software.

    6. Re:iPad before Linux. by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      When a free OS can use RAM, GPU and CPU in very advanced ways and give all computing power to an application.
      ie the computing power to secure renting the software.

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    7. Re:iPad before Linux. by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it's an asshole comment. But seriously, Photoshop is expensive software. Running Windows in a VM (or Linux in a VM on Windows) is hardly a huge ask once you are paying $$$ to Adobe. Where is this huge installed base of creative professionals with Linux desktops that Adobe is targeting? Maybe Chromebooks in the near future.

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    8. Re: iPad before Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One if wine worked reliabily. It cant even run itunes

    9. Re:iPad before Linux. by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      On desktop / laptops wine might work.

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    10. Re:iPad before Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't you mean "take away computing power from the owner and run software designed to reduce the owner's control of their own computer"? That's a microsoft thing, isn't it? So 1990's.

    11. Re: iPad before Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GIMP is better and free.

    12. Re:iPad before Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There ya go.

      Given the amount of money the typical Linux home user is willing to spend on software, it should be no surprise to anyone Adobe (and many others) are *never* going to bother.

    13. Re:iPad before Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eh, I use the software that I feel is best for the job. Some of it's free, some are not. However, I would say the *only* reason I continue to use Windows is for basically content creation, which still sucks balls under Linux. And to that end, I heavily use Adobe Suite products. Linux versions would be one less thing to worry about when doing a full migration over to Linux.

    14. Re:iPad before Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Photoshop cost $9.99 per month and you also get Lightroom as well.

      BTW, I'm an OSS type, I've been using Linux since the mid-90s using the Walnut Creek CDs, but I'll gladly pay Adobe the monthly fee to use both LR and PS since GIMP is not pleasant to use in a photography workflow. Though PS can be a real paint at times.

      When GIMP equals PS in the seamless handling of RAW photos and the same 3rd party tools then I may consider switching. Until then Adobe that expect to get my 10 bucks each month.

    15. Re:iPad before Linux. by AlanBDee · · Score: 1

      If there's one thing Linux users love, it's paying a subscription fee to use proprietary software.

      As a Linux user I love options. There are plenty who will argue that everything should be open source but that doesn't work in the real world. Software is very expense to make and even more so if it's made well. So it only works when a piece of software is so critical to the business that they want to have a hand is how it's developed and therefor can justify the expense of having developers contribute. Think IBM, RedHat, Intel, etc.

    16. Re:iPad before Linux. by Desler · · Score: 1

      But seriously, Photoshop is expensive software.

      It's $10 a month. For any professional that's not even an hour's worth of pay.

    17. Re:iPad before Linux. by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      I know the main reason I run a free OS is so that I can take advantage of all of the proprietary software.

      You know a lot of people couldn't give a shit about free as in beer or free as in ... whatever the other one was called. Some of us actually use Linux because it's a technically great OS and would have no problem with it being closed source and paying for it.

    18. Re:iPad before Linux. by jythie · · Score: 1

      Probably have to sacrifice the WINE developers first.

    19. Re:iPad before Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RAM is expensive or limited, if you have 4GB or 8GB like some brand new hip things have 8GB and it's soldered it's a tall order to run a VM and Photoshop. Or it's just that I think a 64bit Windows VM is a resource intensive thing to run. Now if you have a system with 16GB RAM on linux I can see how that's not a problem

      Maybe Chromebooks in the near future.

      I would have said flatpak software? Maybe flatpaks on Chromebook.

    20. Re: iPad before Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is itunes the kind of software to install "drivers" or at least several Windows daemons? Does it still install Quicktime? itunes feels more like an OS than an app. Perhaps you should try installing on ReactOS (rhetorical suggestion)

    21. Re: iPad before Linux. by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1
      GIMP is better and free.

      I ditched Windows over 10 years ago, but the only thing that Gimp is better than, is a poke in the eye with a sharp stick - and even then its a close call.

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    22. Re:iPad before Linux. by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Obviously... but according to the summary, putting this on the iPad was supposed to somehow appeal to the *hobbyist*.... which I would take to mean people who want to use the software but not the purpose of trying to make any money with it.

    23. Re:iPad before Linux. by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 1

      Ages ago I was hired at Adobe to work on a number of products coming out for Linux (I don't work there anymore) doing developer support - this was around 2003-2004. Adobe had previously made things like Photoshop and Illustrator for Solaris and Irix back in the mid 90s (when the last really big push for Unix on the desktop happened) - so it's not a completely crazy idea - the Linux desktop. Adobe also made Acrobat Reader for Linux.

      Ultimately in focus groups a lot of the potential big customers (many of which every single man, woman and child has heard of) indicated they didn't have any intention of replacing Mac/Windows client computers with Linux desktops so these projects were dropped. A lot of people don't consider the hundreds of millions of dollars that could have been spent to make it work, only to not pay for itself in sales.

      There were also problems with support - for example - one of the things that was debated on internally was what scanner api do we support or color management support. Ultimately too - if it had come to fruition the support agreement likely would have been "we've tested it on xyz distro's".

    24. Re:iPad before Linux. by Desler · · Score: 1

      Fine then let's put it this way: Give up two Starbucks lattes a month and you can afford Photoshop. I've seen people who make minimum wage spend more on cigarettes in a month than Photoshop costs for anyear.

    25. Re:iPad before Linux. by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Obviously a lot of hobbies cost money to engage in, but philosophically, I think it is absurd to be put in the position of essentially renting the very tools that one needs just to practice something purely recreationally.

    26. Re:iPad before Linux. by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      It's $10 a month. For any professional that's not even an hour's worth of pay.

      And Windows is super-pricey?

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    27. Re:iPad before Linux. by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Brand new hip things also won't run Linux very well.

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    28. Re:iPad before Linux. by MightyYar · · Score: 0

      I'm not exactly a Windows fan, only using it reluctantly - but it's hard for me to imagine a Linux user who uses it because they appreciate Linux's technical aspects but can also not figure out how to get Wine going. Or Windows in a VM.

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    29. Re:iPad before Linux. by gordguide · · Score: 1

      Isn't going to happen. Adobe was able to convert their owned software model to subscription because professional users are using the software daily. The cost is essentially irrelevant; they'd pay more if asked. And they buy the hardware and the OS necessary to run it, again regardless of cost and again they'd pay more if necessary.

      The move to the subscription model, however, seriously dented their hobbyist market. This was preceded by a change in Adobe's longstanding upgrade policy, where owners of previous versions could always upgrade for about $150, regardless of the version spread. So casual users could skip a version or three and still see the value of the latest version. The change was only the previous version could then be upgraded. This had the desired effect for Pro users, who could justify not skipping a version and was essential for preparing them to accept the subscription model that followed (the version is essentially irrelevant in the subscription model; you use what is compatible with your hardware, or the latest version, at the same cost).

      Some moved to Photoshop LE but not all, partly because Adobe is very reluctant to eat it's own lunch, so LE is always crippled in some way that a serious user might need. Adobe has always been half-hearted with it's development as a result.

      This is an attempt to recover those users, although in my opinion it's already too late. There are numerous very capable and inexpensive apps on mobile platforms, tablets, and on desktop / laptop for casual users. A few, still inexpensive, examples don't take a back seat to Adobe's Pro apps. Marketing might draw a few but that market is over as far as the reputation and allure goes.

      With Linux I think the problem is simply the uptake rate is too low to make it viable, and we're not even talking Adobe level stuff. Corel tried and failed to earn enough to make it viable, and although CorelDraw is a quirky and somewhat unstable app, it certainly does the job if you are determined. I don't see any other player trying again, unfortunately for Linux users. Wine or an emulated OS are basically going to be the options going forward, or of course Gimp if it meets your needs.

    30. Re:iPad before Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thousands of euros on computer games

    31. Re:iPad before Linux. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      but can also not figure out how to get Wine going

      "What does not:
      - Character panel overlaps font previews.
      - Sometimes a click on font preview window brings it to front, sometimes it doesn’t.
      - Font preview window only flashes, if Character panel is docked to the rightmost column or to the next to it.
      - OpenCL is greyed out."

      Maybe some of us would prefer working software rather than half-baked buggy workarounds that break functionality or the UI, or involve having to install a whole OS inside a VM.

    32. Re:iPad before Linux. by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      "Installing a whole OS inside a VM" is not exactly difficult. I highly doubt you can find a significant number of Linux desktop users who would have trouble with the process. If getting work done is your real priority, then you will buy a Windows or Mac PC that is ready-to-go and you'll download Adobe cloud and that will be that. The idea that Photoshop on Linux would be trouble free is somewhat hilarious, given the number of variations that implies. It's like the same hardware mess as Windows with added OS variations. They'd probably need to pick a few stock distros and anything else would mean the usual dicking around.

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    33. Re:iPad before Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, but I only buy software, I don't rent it. That's why I use PaintShop Pro. It's every bit as good as PhotoShop and Corel actually respects their customers.

    34. Re:iPad before Linux. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      "Installing a whole OS inside a VM" is not exactly difficult.

      I didn't say it was difficult. It is however an impact on performance especially when that VM is likely to run an application that will demand most of the system RAM. Beside that you're advocating a mental barrier for Linux. You want the year of the Linux on desktop? I know I do. The first step to that is getting rid of suggestions of: "Run Linux! It's Awesome! Then install Windows anyway because you *need* it!"

      The idea that Photoshop on Linux would be trouble free is somewhat hilarious

      I know man. I'd never recommend anyone install Linux. It's complicated to partition, you need to compile a custom kernel for yourself, setting up X involves pouring through text files if you're lucky enough to have drivers for your.... wait a second we solved all those too!. The idea of Linux being used by anyone other than the most hardest core of geeks a decade ago was what was hilarious. Look where we are now.

      Don't laugh in the face of progress.

    35. Re:iPad before Linux. by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      I'd never recommend anyone install Linux.

      Naw, it's not like that. Linux is great for certain things. For development, it rocks. As a server, it rocks. Embedded - it's pretty darned good these days.

      As a desktop environment for an artsy type? No. Sorry - not recommended. I'm not even sure I care if it ever meets their needs. Honestly, a Chromebook with the Adobe suite would be just peachy for them, if it were available. The compromises necessary to make desktop Linux luser-friendly are not worth it, IMHO. Actually, we already have seen it and it looks like Android and ChromeOS. They are both great for their purpose and I do use them both, but I'd hate to see desktop Linux go that direction. Photoshop might work great in one of the new-fangled containers formats (some people recommend setting it up with Wine in a Docker container), but in general proprietary software fits poorly with the desktop Linux workflow. For instance, I used to use Crashplan and it stood out as the most pain-in-the-ass thing on the system. See also Dropbox. Things that update with apt (or your favorite tool) work best.

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    36. Re:iPad before Linux. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      As a desktop environment for an artsy type? No. Sorry - not recommended.

      Well yes but you missed my point. As a desktop environment for any type? No Sorry not recommended. As a desktop environment for office work? No Sorry not recommended. As a base system to build games on? No sorry not recommended.

      These were all the conclusions you would have come to 10 years ago. Instead there has been active development that makes all of the above possible.

      The compromises necessary to make desktop Linux luser-friendly are not worth it, IMHO.

      Like what? Userfriendliness is just an interface. In the meantime the things that artsy type of people need is exactly the kind of things that many other people need. Colour management? Tick. Memory management? Tick. Interface? No one cares... the modern graphics suite will bring its own. Solid filesystems that won't lose your data? Tick.

      To be honest I'm not actually sure I see what it is that you need to compromise on to make it work .... the only real thing I see missing right now are users that make the porting worthwhile.

    37. Re:iPad before Linux. by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Instead there has been active development that makes all of the above possible.

      I get your point, and totally agree. It still doesn't make today's Linux desktop something that I'd recommend a non-computer geek photography or graphics design friend use. I can't imagine Adobe porting it over in the hope that... what, exactly? I don't think they would necessarily relish supporting another platform, so it's not exactly in their interest that desktop Linux catch on with creative types. They have Mac and Windows already, and soon tablets - so they aren't beholden to a single vendor at the moment. I just don't see the business case.

      Userfriendliness is just an interface.

      And for that, there is Android and ChromeOS. Maybe you don't see those as a compromise, but I certainly do. And this isn't a knock on ChromeOS or Android - good engineering is all about finding the right compromises, and I think they've done a wonderful job. But I wouldn't want to use ChromeOS as my only desktop. It's been a brilliant time saver in my house, but I still have a full-fledged OS on the computers that I use.

      Look at the clusterfuck Windows has become trying to be both luser and power user friendly, and also work on tablets/touch screens. I'd hope that Windows isn't the sort of thing that Linux GUI developers are aspiring to.

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    38. Re:iPad before Linux. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      It still doesn't make today's Linux desktop

      Yeah I fully agree. Today's Linux isn't there yet.

      And for that, there is Android and ChromeOS. Maybe you don't see those as a compromise, but I certainly do.

      These are extreme cases but I would still not consider compromises necessary. Take Linux itself and compare a system from the 90s to a system now. The emergence of apt, or the Settings GUIs didn't affect the ability to compile and install your own software, or edit the Xorg.conf or manually set symbolic links to configure startups. It complimented them.

      We can most definitely apply layers of simplicity on top of features for power users. The problem is when we think there must be a comromise: limit settings to users without giving them an option to hit advanced, install a new system that constantly re-writes configurations preventing taking manual control, etc. We don't need to compromise on this, we just need to isolate the cases and apply careful thought and good engineering on how each user interacts.

      The same applies to Android. I can pull up a terminal on my phone. I can install or uninstall any software I want. The capability is there, the problem is only that some developers don't compromise and actively dismiss the power users chasing the more numerous (=profitable) ludites.

      Look at the clusterfuck Windows has become trying to be both luser and power user friendly, and also work on tablets/touch screens. I'd hope that Windows isn't the sort of thing that Linux GUI developers are aspiring to.

      I hope it is, while at the same time retaining the ability for me to install whatever GUI I want and change whatever setting I want. Windows isn't a bad interface and I actually use it specifically for its tablet friendliness (note I'mnot talking about the abortion that is the *actual* tablet interface but rather the pen integration, palm detection, fuzzy selection on window edges etc). Windows' UI isn't bad, but it lacks options for control for power users.

    39. Re:iPad before Linux. by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      I suspect our opinion on Windows goes a long way to explain our relative positions. I find Windows to be barely usable for newbies and barely clinging to life for power users. Screen scaling is so bad (though I admit loads better now since April's update) that every old person I've ever helped with a computer has their LCD set to a non-native resolution to zoom the interface up. There are at least two distinct places to change most settings, for instance Networking can be accessed through the new Metro settings, but since not all things are available from there you must also know that there is a separate Control Panel. Most of the things that make Windows great for power users are really just compatibility hangers-on, and it has progressed little in that regard (I'd argue it has regressed).

      But yes, you are completely correct - hardware support is excellent. If you are a professional, you almost certainly use Windows for this reason alone.

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    40. Re:iPad before Linux. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      To be clear I was talking about the interface itself. I.e. the way a user will interact with applications (start, stop, manipulate, change, find files, etc) I fully agree the settings are an absolute clusterfuck for newbies and techies alike! They are getting better to the point that any reason you would now have for accessing the control panel is usually done via a link from the settings panel (rather than accessing the control panel directly) but still they have a long way to go. And when they are done that part will still suck because frankly the layout and text scheme of the settings panel is terrible. I fully agree for power users it regressed. If you thought I held this up as a good example then I wasn't clear. Windows is another example of bad compromises for power users.

  2. iPad is missing a few features... by cre1mer · · Score: 1

    I can't imagine using Photoshop without a keyboard and mouse, or not being able to access my files from my file server. Video rendering on the iPad will probably suck donkey balls.

    1. Re: iPad is missing a few features... by dnaumov · · Score: 1

      That sounds backwards: most artists canâ(TM)t imagine drawing/painting WITH a mouse. The iPad Pro has essentially killed all sub-1000â Wacom tablets for professional use.

    2. Re:iPad is missing a few features... by cayenne8 · · Score: 5, Informative
      You gotta go with an iPad Pro to do this.

      Adobe PS for iPad is going to have to really go a LOOONG way to beat the current Affinity Photo for iPad Pro .

      It is full functioning, one time license fee (like $14 right now), and they do periodic updates, no extra charge.

      The performance is amazing, I've been lately really stretching it to do things like 11 full RAW images from my 5D3, for panos....and I did about 18 RAW image focus stacking.....and Affinity on iPad Pro handled it.

      PS is really going to have to redo their engine....Affinity on desktop is often faster, so I would think they're really gonna have to redo PS if they try to put it on a tablet.

      Adobe is really going to be playing catch up on this one, IMHO.

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    3. Re: iPad is missing a few features... by cre1mer · · Score: 0

      I'm not a graphic artist and I don't draw in Photoshop. I use the mouse, trackball or tablet to create paths, turn the paths into a selection and mask out the parts of an image that I don't want to use. Or adjust a bounding box, move a guide or create a selection area. I create thumbnails and graphics for my videos.

    4. Re:iPad is missing a few features... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't imagine using Photoshop without a keyboard and mouse

      welcome to dystopia, where everyone uses crutches because their legs have all withered

    5. Re: iPad is missing a few features... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. I bought an iPad Pro 9.7 with the Apple Pencil and can't imagine going back to trying to draw on a desktop computer. It's one of the better drawing tools I've ever used. This is a smart move by Adobe, as even the best painting apps on the iPad don't completely cover the same ground Photoshop does. I don't love the subscription idea, but obviously it's a money maker for them.

    6. Re:iPad is missing a few features... by Njovich · · Score: 1

      You are right that it's probably a lot of work for Adobe to make it work on iPad, even to just get it working. However, don't underestimate the Photoshop market power. Lots of companies and people are stuck with it and Photoshop only has to be 'good enough' to retain those. They don't have to put in the work to make it better than the competition. Also, for any competitor, Adobe may just decide to buy it (and then either kill it off or include it in their offerings).

    7. Re:iPad is missing a few features... by cre1mer · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      In Adobe CS5 Extended edition, video editing is comprehensive and efficient with a broad compatibility of video file formats such as MOV, AVI and MPEG-4 formats and easy workflow. Using simple combinations of keys video layers can easily be modified, with other features such as adding text and creating animations using single images.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Photoshop#Video_editing

      Here's an Adobe video on video editing in Photoshop.

      https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/how-to/video-editing.html

      My Black Friday @ Apple Park Visitor Center was put together in Photoshop because an update to Movavi Editor FUBAR'd the program just hours before I released the video.

      In my recent video, I use graphical overlays created in Photoshop. For static overlay with a transparent background, I export as a PNG file. For video overlay with a chroma (green) background, I export as an MP4 file.

      When rendering video from Photoshop, it does take a while on my AMD FX-8300 (8-core) processor. Photoshop doesn't use Nvidia GPU for faster rendering.

    8. Re:iPad is missing a few features... by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      You are right that it's probably a lot of work for Adobe to make it work on iPad, even to just get it working. However, don't underestimate the Photoshop market power. Lots of companies and people are stuck with it and Photoshop only has to be 'good enough' to retain those. They don't have to put in the work to make it better than the competition. Also, for any competitor, Adobe may just decide to buy it (and then either kill it off or include it in their offerings).

      Good point.....

      But I believe there is a pretty decent, and growing number of people out there, that haven't like the "rental" of software paradigm, along with new people not liking it, due to paying monthly money, and not getting any REAL meaningful updates, and that many of the updates pushed out have broken peoples' systems.....and that's not counting the people that get kicked off Adobe's subscription system for reasons unknown.

      Adobe is powerful...AND, hey, I started on PS and really still like it, but I stopped at CS6 where I can own the perpetual license....and frankly, I've not found a compelling reason to go to Adobe CC and rent my software....I'm doing everything I need with old CS6 from time to time, and now with Affinity Photo....I do really good stuff. The Affinity engine is much faster in many areas vs Adobe Photoshop....which is due to Adobe keeping such an old engine supporting some really old methods....and just building new on top of old, rather than doing a clean redo which IMHO, is needed for PS performance.

      I"m dropping off LR since it became subscription only...so far, On1 RAW 2018 is really doing the trick. I love the luminance masks it has, as well as a LOT of PS type edits you can do on it while still fully in the RAW workflow.....and it too, is non-subscription.

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    9. Re:iPad is missing a few features... by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      I'm in the same position, almost.

      The big difference is that I'm also considering going after Adobe in court for their broken promise that Lightroom would remain non-subscription. I bought LR6 with that promise in mind, confident that they would eventually add actual dual-pixel RAW support to Lightroom, and that I could buy an upgrade with that feature. Then, when the next version came out, they made what constitutes a material change to their policies that, had they been truthful up front, would have prevented me from even considering LR6, and would have caused me to switch to something else earlier. That, right there, is what is known as bait-and-switch, i.e. fraud.

      Given that experience, it is safe to say that I will never consider any Adobe products for the rest of my life, and whenever any of my employers ask for recommendations, I will recommend strongly against any Adobe product. And if anybody knows a good class action lawyer, I and every other 5D Mark IV owner who uses Lightroom would like to talk to him/her.

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    10. Re:iPad is missing a few features... by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      The big difference is that I'm also considering going after Adobe in court for their broken promise that Lightroom would remain non-subscription.

      Oh wow...

      I never knew they had said that!!

      Very interesting....

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    11. Re:iPad is missing a few features... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find that PS struggles on my i7 quad core with 32G of memory, the thought of running the same app on a mobile device does not seem viable.

      Though they did create a mobile friendly version of Lightroom, have not installed it since I don't store my photo's in the 'Cloud' and have no plan on doing so, perhaps they are creating a similar version of PS.

    12. Re: iPad is missing a few features... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I'm not a graphic artist "

      Or an artist of any kind, really.

      "mask out the parts of an image that I don't want to use."

      Can you make the mask the size of the entire screen? Because that's the part of your image I don't want to see.

      "I create thumbnails and graphics for my videos"

      Yeah but with those Sasquatch thumbs of yours that means regular-size for the rest of us.

    13. Re:iPad is missing a few features... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      PS is really going to have to redo their engine....Affinity on desktop is often faster

      I agree with your post in general, but this one is confusing. Why is this a criteria for you? I personally use software far slower than Photoshop when I need to extract the maximum image quality. Speed is something that is important on a workflow level, but for Photoshop hasn't been relevant since .... well for ever.

    14. Re: iPad is missing a few features... by jythie · · Score: 1

      I had a similar thought. I think I occasionally use maybe the 'option' key in Photoshop for pasting behavior and typing in file names to save, but outside that, not a keyboard heavy app.

    15. Re:iPad is missing a few features... by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      I agree with your post in general, but this one is confusing. Why is this a criteria for you? I personally use software far slower than Photoshop when I need to extract the maximum image quality. Speed is something that is important on a workflow level, but for Photoshop hasn't been relevant since .... well for ever.

      Well, it is a factor when you're processing a LOT of images.

      For instance, I shot a 4 day concert festival...and when using Adobe tools, I'd do most of my processing, the simple stuff, in LR. But when I needed to stitch a pano in a very well done fashion (I don't think LR's pano does as well as PS), you need to bring your images into PS.....or just for any other heavy lifting processing, compositing, removing stuff from images, etc....you do work faster if the PS component is faster at what it does.

      Over those 4 days, I shot about 2000 image or more I think...I would have to go back and count.

      Granted, I cull through those as fast as I can, rate them, select them and then start developing them. But it is still a significant number of images I need to process to make them look their best, and all tools in the process need to work as fast as possible, and not give any spinning wheels while it "thinks".

      I find that the engine inside Affinity is quite a bit faster when doing some complex things than PS.

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    16. Re:iPad is missing a few features... by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Yeah. And this wasn't the first time. When they first came out with the rental model for Photoshop, they clearly stated that it was not going to become rental-only, too. Then, after I bought CS6, they changed their minds. So basically, this has happened to me twice. But their denial that Lightroom would go that way was so much more emphatic than the previous denial, so I foolishly gave them the benefit of the doubt. In hindsight, trusting those greedy, blood-sucking leeches was a mistake, but a mistake that I can guarantee I will never make again, because their company is now on my permanent ban list.

      At this point, the only way I would ever touch Adobe's products would be if the entire company got bought by a less-malicious software company that fired their upper management en masse and reversed the rental-only stupidity within the first week. And even then, technically, Adobe would still be on the permanent ban list; it just wouldn't be Adobe anymore.

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    17. Re:iPad is missing a few features... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You copy-pasted a dozen pictures together, and you blended 18 pictures together on a $1000 computer, and it worked :)

      I'm not trying to be a smart ass about this, but just to point out this is something we should probably take for granted as long as software is working properly.
      This ipad has PCIe SSD storage or something similar?

      A Windows 10 anecdote : someone complained how slow and crappy his laptop is (a consumer 17" one with HDD, enough RAM and a Skylake or something). That's a fast computer with slow storage. I helped remove a couple useless things and adware and a deleted weird rogue process. But he told me too that he OCR'ed a folder with a hundreds or a thousand or more pictures (I don't remember how many) in 15 minutes. I liked that and told him that's software doing real work.

    18. Re:iPad is missing a few features... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sound like saturated microphone on this one perhaps you need to pay more attention to the audio of sides now (mic volume, mic itself, eq, where you and the mic are placed)

    19. Re:iPad is missing a few features... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      That sounds like a tool for the job complaint rather than a general engine is slow complaint. Also I agree the panorama functionality in Lightroom leaves a lot to desire, but so does the one in Photoshop. Personally I export them into Autopano using the relevant plugins.

      Granted, I cull through those as fast as I can

      And that's what I was talking about. The process of culling and selection is critical (workflow). The ability to with a quick shortcut display side-by-side images and reject one is far more important than raw speed while making an edit.

      Now I have never used Affinity so chances are it has a perfectly fine workflow. I was just trying to understand your reasoning.

    20. Re:iPad is missing a few features... by cre1mer · · Score: 0

      I have a hearing loss in one ear, so my audio will always be suspect. I use a Zoom H2 audio recorder with a pop filter 12" away from my mouth, Audacity to clean up and normalize the audio, and sync the audio to the video and apply a "voice enhancement" eq to the audio in the video editor.

    21. Re:iPad is missing a few features... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuckoff apk jr
      Go shill your money making schemes somewhere Else

    22. Re:iPad is missing a few features... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes Chris, you posted that fabulation at least 50,000 times on slashdot:

      "No, no, I am not retarded, I have a hearing loss in one ear and that's why I am handled by special education because special education is too dumb and they made a mistake, taking my hearing loss in one ear for mental deficiency"

      Well, this only makes sense to you, Chris!

    23. Re:iPad is missing a few features... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We already know about Chris and photoshop and your freeNAS file server dummy! Same for your iPad and iPhone...

      You posted it many times!

      Hey there, people, I'm creimy brown
      They say I'm the cutest boy in town
      My car is fast, my teeth is shiney
      I tell all the girls they can kiss my heinie
      Here I am at a famous school
      I'm dressin sharp n I'm
      Actin cool
      I got a cheerleader here wants to help with my paper
      Let her do all the work n maybe later I'll rape her

      Oh God I am the american cream
      I do not think I'm too extreme
      An I'm a handsome sonofabitch
      I'm gonna get a good job n be real rich

      (get a good
      Get a good
      Get a good
      Get a good job)

      Womens liberation
      Came creepin across the nation
      I tell you people I was not ready
      When I fucked this dyke by the name of Stan Lee
      She made a little speech then,
      Aw, she tried to make me say when
      She had my balls in a vice, but she left the dick
      I guess it's still hooked on, but now it shoots too quick

      Oh God I am the american cream
      But now I smell like vaseline
      An I'm a miserable sonofabitch
      Am I a boy or a lady... I don't know which

      (I wonder wonder
      Wonder wonder)

      So I went out n bought me a leisure suit
      I jingle my change, but I'm still kinda cute
      Got a job doin video promo
      An none of the jocks can even tell I'm a homo
      Eventually me n a friend
      Sorta drifted along into s&m
      I can take about an hour on the tower of power
      Long as I gets a little golden shower

      Oh God I am the american cream
      With a spindle up my butt till it makes me scream
      An I'll do anything to get ahead
      I lay awake nights sayin, thank you, Stan!
      Oh god, oh god, I'm so fantastic!
      Thanks to Stan Lee, I'm a sexual spastic
      And my name is creimy brown
      Watch me now, I'm goin down,
      And my name is creimy brown
      Watch me now, I'm goin down, etc.

    24. Re:iPad is missing a few features... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go shill your money making schemes somewhere Else

      What "money making schemes" did creimer present in his comment? Inquiring minds want to know...

    25. Re:iPad is missing a few features... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't click on his links! creimer is trying to get you to subscribe automatically to his youtube channel, force you to watch his digi-feces videos and make money off you!


      MODDOWN! ; creimer youtube spam post again!

      creimer wants you to click on his youtube channel, then click on his stupid amazon affiliate link spam on Youtube. There is nothing of value on creimer youtube channel. Only creimer click-bot goes there.

      CREIMER' SUBMISSIONS UPDATE:
      Note also that creimer is trying to regain karma by getting his submissions published as articles on /. so make sure to go to:
      https://slashdot.org/~The+Fat+...
      https://slashdot.org/~__aaclcg...
      https://slashdot.org/~IDrinkFa...
      https://slashdot.org/~_sharp'r...
      https://slashdot.org/~crreimer
      https://slashdot.org/~cdreimer
      https://slashdot.org/~criss69
      https://slashdot.org/~Anonymou...
      https://slashdot.org/~FatCashe...
      https://slashdot.org/~ILoveFat...
      https://slashdot.org/~IHateFat...
      https://slashdot.org/~IAteFatC...
      https://slashdot.org/~ITapeFat...
      https://slashdot.org/~IApeFatC...
      https://slashdot.org/~IPrayFat...
      https://slashdot.org/~FatCashe...
      and mod down his submissions as well. The great thing is that you don't even need mod points to mod down a submission, just click on the "minus" icon!

      Yes, believe it or not, creimer owns all the above sock puppet accounts. It is a mystery why Slashdot management tolerates it!

      creimer wrote:

      I don't bother with mod points. I'm doing something much more sinister. It took ten story submissions ? I'll have to double check the number ? to move cdreimer's karma from neutral to excellent without ever being exposed to the capricious mods. Mmmmmwwwwahahahahahahaha!

      https://slashdot.org/comments....

      Danger, Will Robinson, Danger! Creimy is posting more than 2 posts a day. Hurry! mod down otherwise /. will go to hell again!

      Note: you can mod down even if already at -1 to lower karma and to prevent lost /. users to accidentally mod up.

      creimer wrote:

      All you need to do is find a website with a permissive TOS, say, Slashdot, create a Python script to scrape your own comments, sprinkle Amazon affiliate links in various posts, and then re-post past links whenever possible. Won't be long before you start making "coffee money" each month.

      https://slashdot.org/comments....

      C.D. Reimer is a renowned Slashdot collaborator, as he puts it himself; "Because of the quality of my posts and my article submissions, I'm a highly rated commentator and moderator."

      But does anybody ever wondered what "C.D." stands for? Well, it stands for Creimy Dumpty of course!

      Creimy Dumpty sat on the wall,
      Creimy Dumpty had a great fall.
      All the king's horses
      And all the king's men
      Couldn't put Creimy Dumpty
      Together again.

      Creimy's siblings video and theme song, very realistic, especially the pants, just like Creimy's:

    26. Re:iPad is missing a few features... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you set a volume or gain way up so as to check things easily and then it stayed up?

      Also you speak with no stops or pauses it seemed, in a long single take.

    27. Re:iPad is missing a few features... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your entire YouTube channel is premised on monetizing your "content", such as it is, as part of your retirement strategy.

    28. Re:iPad is missing a few features... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but you've got to buy an iPad Pro for it. Any sensible person would buy a laptop for that price with better features than any tablet.

    29. Re:iPad is missing a few features... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I have a hearing loss in one ear, so my audio will always be suspect."

      How? Your eyes can't see a VU meter because your ear doesn't work? The common thing between your ears and your eyes is your brain; there's the real problem.

      You can't use your other ear?

      "pop filter 12" away from my mouth,"

      Hey dummy, the pop filter .. needs to be CLOSE to your mouth!! Fuck.

      Stop munching your lips together like an elderly man eating oatmeal, that'll help too.

      And why do your videos look like you're filming from Bin Laden's cave? I know you live in a shoebox, but your videos are so claustrophobic I can't watch.

    30. Re:iPad is missing a few features... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I nearly bought a copy of Affinity until I found out that it phones home every time it's run with no way to disable this sketchy behaviour.

    31. Re:iPad is missing a few features... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of my favorite chrisisms is his collection of low end computer hardware. He has a boatload of lower end tech that could all be consolidated into a gaming pc/file server, cheap phablet and a used dell laptop
      Instead he has a nas, outdated mac mini, ipad, iphone, outdated macbook, gaming computer. Really I don't understand his desire to own any apple products with his income.

      Props on his gaming build though it's dirt cheap and really good as long as the games he's playing scale across cores

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  4. Affinity has Adobe shook by JoeyRox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Affinity Photo for iPad is an incredible app and cost $19.99, once.

    https://affinity.serif.com/en-us/photo/ipad/

    1. Re:Affinity has Adobe shook by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      Affinity Photo for iPad is an incredible app and cost $19.99, once.

      https://affinity.serif.com/en-us/photo/ipad/

      I happily bought the Desktop version a few years ago. Works for me and no renting software from Adobe.

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    2. Re:Affinity has Adobe shook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Affinity user here. Get that instead of wasting your money on an adobe subscription. Been the adobe route, they simply gouge you for as much as they think you're willing to pay. Never again.

    3. Re:Affinity has Adobe shook by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      I happily bought the Desktop version a few years ago. Works for me and no renting software from Adobe.

      Same here and I got Affinity Designer too...I also have both for iPad....worth every (not many) penny.

      One time buy...and free updates keep coming.

      I think the new Affinity Designer for iPad is on sale for like $14 right now....

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    4. Re:Affinity has Adobe shook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $20 once but a lifetime of phoning home. No thanks.

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  6. Hobbyists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Adobe has also begun pitching its products to hobbyists, who prefer working on mobile devices rather than PCs

    *spits tea everywhere*

  7. Re:How usable can it be? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

    I'm not a graphic artist, but isn't editing photos a lot like CAD, you need precise input?

    How can you remove wrinkles from your older girlfriend's pictures with a giant finger mashing on a 7 inch screen?

    You can't... you'll have to dump her and date a college student instead.

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  8. Fuck off adobe with your subscription... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The biggest gripe is the cancellation terms of the subscription - it's absolutely assholish and literally cons you out of more money when you simply want to cancel it there and then

    That company, with that strategy can simply FOAD.

  9. Re:How usable can it be? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    The artist with the correct tactile fingertips guides the software into placing the masks. The really advanced software also places the mask in the best position once prompted by a set of fingers over a part of the image.

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  10. Comp version on phone CPU? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whether it's iOS or Android, I can't see the latest full desktop version running on a phone format CPU without stumbling. If phones were that powerful, we'd all be plugging our monitors into them.

  11. Too late. Too much. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've wanted to be able to use or at least try adobe for a long time. No luck for me on linux. Then my son used it on windows as a student - holy terrible subscription price. All of you out there agreeing to pay ridiculous susbscription prices are the problem. You are why we can't have nice (affordable) things.

  12. ADOBE IS EVIL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Adobe is an evil company. You should not spend a penny on them.

  13. Re:How usable can it be? by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm not a graphic artist, but isn't editing photos a lot like CAD, you need precise input?

    That's what the Apple Pencil is for....using that combined with and iPad Pro, works quite well, no perceptible lag, high res screen...its quite easy to work on.

    You also have combination with finger presses and gestures to simulate keyboard shortcuts and the like.

    Affinity Designer was just released the other day for iPad.....here's a good demo of it (skip to about 1:13 to get past the early chatty part.

    There's others:

    Affinity Photo for iPad

    Vectornator

    Procreate

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  15. Fuck Adobe by PeeAitchPee · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They haven't done anything new or innovative in decades, and moving to subscriptions is absolutely TERRIBLE for their users -- now you can never buy their bloated software, just rent it, forever. That company seriously needs to die in a fire.

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  17. Re:Never. Linux sucks dicks. by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 3, Informative

    And yes, indeed, GIMP is a viable alternative.

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  18. No interest in a subscription by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Nice I suppose but as long as they require a subscription for the product I'm not interested.

  19. hardware? by e432776 · · Score: 1

    Wonder if this is at all driven by the glacial pace of Apple's (pro) Mac hardware upgrade cycle? I think its been frustrating many pros.

  20. Too little too late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Their attempts to drive us to a subscription model taste like cock in the mouth. No thanks. I dont eat cockmeat sandwiches.

    No win10 either!

  21. And, the price? by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

    How much would that be on an iPad? I mean, is that price reasonable? The desktop version is still awful expensive ; ok the soft delivers, but seriously there are amazing pieces of software from Apple which price went down crazy a few years ago ( or even free ).

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    1. Re: And, the price? by nnull · · Score: 1

      Adobe still thinks it has no competitors.

  22. Apple Pencil = Afterthought by sjbe · · Score: 1

    That's what the Apple Pencil is for....using that combined with and iPad Pro, works quite well, no perceptible lag, high res screen...its quite easy to work on.

    True. Unfortunately Apple treats the Apple Pencil as an afterthought instead of an important usability device. Very little software really takes full advantage of it. There still isn't a quality note taking application (yes I've looked). Annotate documents? Don't make me laugh. They basically treat it as a toy for the 3 artists who actually do art on an iPad. It doesn't work well with any serious productivity applications nor does that seem likely to change. Plus the design of the Apple Pencil sucks. Round so it rolls off tables and there is no thought given to storage when not in use. There is no slot to put the thing in on the device itself. Plus it doesn't work across Apple's product line. I should be able to use it on every iPad, iPhone and Mac but Apple can't be bothered.

    You also have combination with finger presses and gestures to simulate keyboard shortcuts and the like.

    Ugh.. KMN. More arbitrary combinations of movements to memorize. No thanks.

    1. Re:Apple Pencil = Afterthought by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      True. Unfortunately Apple treats the Apple Pencil as an afterthought instead of an important usability device. Very little software really takes full advantage of it. There still isn't a quality note taking application (yes I've looked). Annotate documents? Don't make me laugh. They basically treat it as a toy for the 3 artists who actually do art on an iPad. It doesn't work well with any serious productivity applications nor does that seem likely to change. Plus the design of the Apple Pencil sucks. Round so it rolls off tables and there is no thought given to storage when not in use. There is no slot to put the thing in on the device itself. Plus it doesn't work across Apple's product line. I should be able to use it on every iPad, iPhone and Mac but Apple can't be bothered.

      Well, it is a bit new to the game....I'm guessing more apps will be designed to use it, and I think it appears many of the newer iPads will come with capability for it too.

      I"m not sure it would be even viable to use on a phone tho....? Too little real estate IMHO on a phone, and you'd not use it on a desktop, so to me, make sense tablet only.

      I've just now been looking into note taking with iPad pro and apple pencil....these look promising:

      I've been looking at Notability, and GoodNotes. From what I see on YouTube reviews, both of these seem quite powerful, you can have hand written text transformed to type, you can insert pictures, videos, sound, some allow you to record say a lecture and the audio is timed out to the writing and stuff you do on the note...etc.

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    2. Re:Apple Pencil = Afterthought by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Mod +1 Insightful.

      You've nailed every exact same criticism I have as well.

      So much potential to be a game changer, squandered.

  23. Should work by sjbe · · Score: 1

    I can't imagine using Photoshop without a keyboard and mouse

    I can. Innumerable tasks are easier with a stylus than a kb/mouse. Anything where fine motor skills are required tends to be easier, particularly drawing or writing or editing. There are exceptions in both directions of course but you're probably just used to doing things a certain way and haven't explored the alternatives.

    or not being able to access my files from my file server.

    It's doable and it's basically a requirement for any sort of professional work flow.

    Video rendering on the iPad will probably suck donkey balls.

    Strange comment since people take and edit videos on an iPad all the time. Horse for courses of course and obviously it's not the right tool for every job but I could see it being very practical for a lot of use cases.

    1. Re:Should work by cre1mer · · Score: 1

      Strange comment since people take and edit videos on an iPad all the time.

      My PC has an eight-core processor and a Nvidia 1050 Ti 4GB video card. A minute of 1080p video renedered on the processor takes a minute. A minute of 1080p video rendered on the Nvidia card takes 10 seconds. I don't think an iPad has the same performance of my PC for rendering videos longer than a short clip.

    2. Re:Should work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes we know Chris, you posted this one thousand times!

      All you need to do is find a website with a permissive TOS, say, Slashdot, create a Python script to scrape your own comments, sprinkle Amazon affiliate links in various posts, and then re-post past links whenever possible. Won't be long before you start making "coffee money" each month.

      Here are some posts from creimer's old account that was blocked and renamed by Slashdot management. I'll start with his love of child brides.

      If all my assets were liquidated, I would still have enough cash to buy a new car and head off to Mexico to find a chica to marry.
      https://slashdot.org/comments....

      You're aware that are some states in the U.S. that allow underage marriage as young as 14 years old?
      https://slashdot.org/comments....
      As for my comment, I've heard stories of engineers retiring at 50, moving to Mexico and marrying underage girls. Since I work with ex-military, the Philippines is a popular retirement spot for marrying underage girls as well. It's all about getting the most bang for your retirement dollars.
      https://slashdot.org/comments....
      That only works if you retire to Mexico, build a mansion (by local standards), marry an underage sweet thing and bequeath all your possessions to the village.
      https://slashdot.org/comments....

      You need to be more specific. I wrote 3,000+ comments this year.
      https://slashdot.org/comments....

      Nah... I just do it to piss off my trolls and make coffee money off of them.
      https://slashdot.org/comments....
      We have different priorities. You want to climb the corporate ladder. I want to own the corporate ladder.
      https://slashdot.org/comments....

      Your bitch licks your balls. Most people don't brag about practicing bestiality. Is there a reason why you married a dog and not a goat?
      https://slashdot.org/comments....

      My employers don't care about what my Slashdot trolls think. Now go off and lick your balls somewhere else.
      https://slashdot.org/comments....
      iPhone 6s and reduce my monthly bill from $80 to $50. As a phone and a video camera, the iPhone 6s isn't obsolete. As a Sprint customer for 20+ years, Sprint will always offer me a new iPhone if I decide to stop using the 6s as a phone in the next several years.
      https://slashdot.org/comments....
      Miracle workers are never afraid to ask for a second opinion. Supervisor gave me his opinion ? and a mess to clean up. Lesson learned from this incident: if something isn't quite broken, break it.
      https://slashdot.org/comments....

      So you can turn around call me a liar again? People have been playing that game with me for years.
      https://slashdot.org/comments....
      Based on what I've read about Uber, he need to tell the boys to clean up their locker room behavior, zip up their pants, and attend sensitivity training until everyone agrees that women are not sexual objects.
      https://slashdot.org/comments....

      Which doesn't violate the Slashdot TOS. If you got a

  24. Think about the use cases by sjbe · · Score: 1

    I don't think an iPad has the same performance of my PC for rendering videos longer than a short clip.

    It probably doesn't but so what? You also can't use your big desktop PC in a coffee shop or on a photo shoot in the field. Professional photographers actually have a need to be able to do work away from the home office routinely. Not every job you do is going to be rendering Toy Story 12. There are plenty of video tasks where an iPad is more than sufficient. A sports photographer in the field needs to be able to edit and post pictures and short videos quickly and they aren't going to carry around a PC with a huge video card and a giant monitor.

    An iPad might not be useful to YOU for Photoshop work but that doesn't mean it isn't useful to an awful lot of other people.

    1. Re:Think about the use cases by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "It probably doesn't but so what?"

      When you're as busy as creimer creating valuable content, seconds count. I don't know about you, but I can't wait for the next disturbing video of an obese man with large watery eyes and odd puckering mouth speaking too loudly into a cheap microphone while you can see his teleprompter text reflected in his glasses.

      " You also can't use your big desktop PC in a coffee shop"

      creimer himself is about the size of 25 desktop PCs, but in a far less attractive package.

    2. Re:Think about the use cases by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm surprised you're not complaining about the blackout curtains. Then again, you probably haven't watched a creimer video in months.

    3. Re:Think about the use cases by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I watch them all the time. At least for about 35 seconds, then it becomes too much and I long for the sweet release of death.

      Seriously, you don't see your goofy elderly-size text reflected in your bargain-basement uncoated lenses??

    4. Re:Think about the use cases by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously, you don't see your goofy elderly-size text reflected in your bargain-basement uncoated lenses??

      Of course, he does. But his home office is the size of an 8' x 8' cube. Most people who use a teleprompter stand 8' away.

    5. Re:Think about the use cases by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " the size of an 8' x 8' cube."

      That cube's as flat as your subscriber count, Chris.

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  26. They don't understand the demographic. by mark-t · · Score: 1

    FTS:

    Adobe has also begun pitching its products to hobbyists

    I'm somehow pretty sure that their subscription-only model isn't going to have as strong of an appeal among hobbyists as Adobe might hope.

    While I certainly can't discount the possibility that there are probably a few die-hard adobe fans out there that would do this, it certainly wouldn't be the norm. I would put at being about as common, I think, as someone who likes to cook as a hobby going and renting a professional kitchen whenever they do.

    1. Re:They don't understand the demographic. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking as hobbyist who used both LR and PS via the subscriptions service, I do believe that your assertion is incorrect.

      Many hobbyist are indeed gladly shelling out the dough, $9.99 per month, to use LR, PS and ACR.

      Note, I'm not a fan of Adobe. I've had to deal with them in the past for work and my opinion is that they are alpha hotels.

    2. Re:They don't understand the demographic. by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Wow... honestly that really surprises me.

      While I totally understand how people who are professionals, or even people who may not strictly qualify as "professional", but nonetheless use at least some of their spare time to try and still make a few extra dollars of income using the software might shell out a subscription fee for software, I honestly have no idea why someone who didn't have any intent to try and make money using the software would shell out money month after month just to continue to use it unless it was some sort of Patreon supported software or something similar, which Adobe quite clearly is not.

  27. Maybe... by Heebie · · Score: 1

    Maybe if they would cut the shit with the damned monthly subscription price and go back to a real pricing model that is sustainable for people who have slow-income parts of the year, perhaps they'd be doing better.

  28. Re: Never. Linux sucks dicks. by AlanBDee · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It wasn't your point that got you modded down. If you had said instead: "Oh man, you Linux fans are being burned big time. Even toy tablets get full Photoshop and you guys are still stuck with GIMP." then you probably would not have been modded down.

    But calling Linux fans "Linturds" and "pariahs" (which means outcast) and calling GIMP "Duh Gimp" makes you a troll.

  29. It's about workflow by sjbe · · Score: 1

    I"m not sure it would be even viable to use on a phone tho....? Too little real estate IMHO on a phone, and you'd not use it on a desktop, so to me, make sense tablet only.

    For a lot of applications sure, but if it isn't enabled to work on the iPhone how will we ever know? Nobody will design software for it if the hardware isn't available. Right now it isn't even possible to try.

    I've just now been looking into note taking with iPad pro and apple pencil....these look promising:

    I've been keeping an eye on this for a long time. Been disappointed to date but I guess I'm the eternal optimist.

    From what I see on YouTube reviews, both of these seem quite powerful, you can have hand written text transformed to type, you can insert pictures, videos, sound, some allow you to record say a lecture and the audio is timed out to the writing and stuff you do on the note...etc.

    They keep trying to do the handwriting conversion thing and I think that is largely a waste of time. If I want to have a typeface I'll bust out a keyboard - there are bigger fish to fry. That said having the software do some OCR on the notes and make it searchable is clearly useful. Inserting pictures and video is nice but a second or third order consideration. First they have to make it a better version of a piece of paper + a filing cabinet. What matters most is the the workflow around actually writing, saving, editing and sharing documents and nobody seems to have nailed this bit yet. The file formats matter. Being able to print documents matters. Being able to incorporate your notes into other applications (like word or photoshop) matters. Being able to organize your notes in an efficient and rational manner matters. Most important is that the interface has to be amazingly seamless and easy to use. Remember it has to be better than paper + a filing cabinet. I realize it's not the easiest problem to solve but I'm not even sure anyone is really thinking of it in the right context.

  30. Re:Never. Linux sucks dicks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Ah No! GIMP is good at many things, but as substitute for PS in a photography workflow, not even close.

    I gladly give Adobe $9.99 each month to use Lightroom and Photoshop.

  31. Re:Never. Linux sucks dicks. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    And yes, indeed, GIMP is a viable alternative.

    You've either never used GIMP or never used Photoshop. ... Or never used either.

  32. "Cloud" by tverbeek · · Score: 3, Informative

    No, Adobe has not shifted their applications to The Cloud. The applications run right there on a local CPU and GPU, like any other desktop application. (Go ahead and turn off your wifi and check: the software still runs just the same.) I know, I know: the word "cloud" is right there in the name of the product, but keep in mind that "Photoshop" does not actually include a store, and "Illustrator" doesn't actually draw for you. The difference between "Adobe Creative Suite" and "Adobe Creative Cloud" is a licensing model, not a computing model.

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    1. Re:"Cloud" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try staying off the network past the expiry period of your current subscription and check again.

  33. Unified Codebase for Apple by krakelohm · · Score: 1

    Sounds like Adobe is jumping early into the game of going unified for their codebase for IOS and OSX. https://www.theverge.com/2018/...

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  34. Re:How usable can it be? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On what planet is a stylus remotely in the same *universe* as precise as a mouse? Image editing calls for pixel-level editing, and you're not going to be doing any fine-grained, super-specific work with a fuckin' stylus...

    A stylus is best used for producing art. It excels in that there's immediate visual correlation and feedback. A mouse fails that because it's one layer of abstraction away from the motions. They are good at pointing, while a stylus is good with lines and shapes.

    You need both to do top-quality image production.