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The New MacBook Pro Features 'Fastest SSD Ever' In a Laptop (macrumors.com)
Last week, Apple refreshed the 13-inch and 15-inch MacBook Pro models, bringing newer Intel processors and quieter keyboards. The new 13-inch MacBook Pro also just so happens to feature the fastest SSD ever in a laptop, according to benchmarks from Laptop Mag. Mac Rumors summarizes the findings: The site's tests were performed on the $2,499 13-inch MacBook Pro with Touch Bar equipped with a 2.7GHz quad-core 8th-generation Core i7 processor, 16GB RAM, Intel Iris Plus 655, and a 512GB SSD. A file copy test of the SSD in the new MacBook Pro, which Apple says supports sequential read speeds of up to 3.2GB/s and sequential write speeds up to 2.2GB/s, led Laptop Mag to declare the SSD in the MacBook Pro "the fastest ever" in a laptop. Higher capacity SSDs may see even faster speeds on disk speeds tests. A BlackMagic Disk Speed test was also conducted, resulting in an average write speed of 2,682 MB/s.
On a Geekbench 4 CPU benchmark, the 13-inch MacBook Pro earned a score of 18,055 on the multi-core test, outperforming 13-inch machines from companies like Dell, HP, Asus, and Microsoft. That score beats out all 2017 MacBook Pro models and is faster than some iMac configurations. 15-inch MacBook Pro models with 6-core 8th-generation Intel chips will show even more impressive speeds. With that said, the 13-inch MacBook Pro didn't quite measure up to other machines when it came to GPU performance. "The 13-inch 2018 MacBook Pro uses Intel's Iris Plus Graphics 655 with 128MB of embedded DRAM and was unable to compete in a Dirt 3 graphics test, getting only 38.8 frames per second," reports Mac Rumors. "All Windows-based machines tested offered much better performance."
On a Geekbench 4 CPU benchmark, the 13-inch MacBook Pro earned a score of 18,055 on the multi-core test, outperforming 13-inch machines from companies like Dell, HP, Asus, and Microsoft. That score beats out all 2017 MacBook Pro models and is faster than some iMac configurations. 15-inch MacBook Pro models with 6-core 8th-generation Intel chips will show even more impressive speeds. With that said, the 13-inch MacBook Pro didn't quite measure up to other machines when it came to GPU performance. "The 13-inch 2018 MacBook Pro uses Intel's Iris Plus Graphics 655 with 128MB of embedded DRAM and was unable to compete in a Dirt 3 graphics test, getting only 38.8 frames per second," reports Mac Rumors. "All Windows-based machines tested offered much better performance."
And if the SSD ever dies, you can kiss your entire logic board goodbye. Hope you got AppleCare, or you might as well go and buy a new machine.
Austen Allegro (turbo) engine in a Bentley Chassis - first in with the car analogy.
It's neutered by lame Apple design and quality.
$2500+ for something with a display only slightly larger than a tablet? No thanks.
I gave up buying Apple stuff in 1988
We don't need the whole fucking article in the summary. That's what links are for, for fuck's sake.
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My old Toshiba laptop is nearing the end of it's life. Adobe Lightroom and Photoshop are hamstrung by the IO in this 5 yo machine. So I decided to leap back to Macs...
Oh. My. Fucking. God. This MacBook Pro screams! This is the 15" with 2.6GHz i7 and 500 GB flash drives. Setting up a Windows 10 in VMWare Fusion took something stupid like 5 minutes. MS Office installations went fast and smooth.
It's way too early to see how this keeps working when I have a ton of files on there, but so far the computer feels worth the (hefty) price tag!
Linux enables me to spend a great deal more on a laptop or a workstation actually. I see this anemic little SSD and chuckle. So what if it's "fast". I would rather have more storage.
I can get 2.5TB of SSD storage on a Linux laptop.
My old bruiser has 2.5TB of conventional storage. My "outdated" bruiser probably still has a better GPU than this Apple toy.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
OEM options are always mediocre at best. One can probably buy SSDs that are much faster.
And I gave up buying Apple stuff in 1994.
Perhaps it's you that needs to grow up?
If this is true that the speed it measured via file copy and the filesystem has a feature to speed this up either this is a non story or at least the summary is wrong. This has NOTHING to do with the disk speed, if this is copying through a CoW like scheme.
quote:
"To be fair, Appleâ(TM)s relatively new APFS file system is designed to speed up file file copies using a technology Apple calls Instant Cloning. But a win is a win."
Linux is for the gays.
Example:
NFS on the latest MacOS, which was rewritten to take advantage of APFS is about 5 times slower than it was in the previous version. ...just thinking.
We don't need the whole fucking article in the summary. That's what links are for, for fuck's sake.
I wonder if you yanks actually realise what you sound like to the rest of us when you talk like that:
We don't need the whole sheep shagging article in the summary. That's what links are for, for sheep shagging's sake.
Some research turns up that:
In other words, the files weren't copied. A hard link (similar to a shortcut for you Windows users) was created. The whole story is an error by non-techie journalists who noticed something wildly odd in their test results, and rather than spend 30 seconds researching it online like I did, decided "it must be because it's Apple!" and published it. The reality distortion field is alive and well.
Apple has been using Sandisk NAND lately as a bid to try to reduce dependence on Samsung. Both Sandisk and Toshiba SSDs (also used frequently by Apple) regularly benchmark slower than Samsung SSDs.
Making it worthless unless you like super expensive and shit servers that only run one OS.
I have an SSD and it boots instantly. Apps and game levels are near instantaneous. Speed isn't my problem. With games taking up 100GB now, even my 500GB SSD is constantly running out of space. When I do upgrade, I'll get a fast replacement, but size, not speed will be my primary requirement,
I'm running Linux on an old, beat-up 17" Macbook Pro. It does the job but the keyboard is a pain to use, e.g. why don't Apple know the difference between backspace and delete? Why not have an extended keyboard, which includes lots of convenient, time-saving keys, on a 17" laptop?
I swapped out the old HDD for an SSD (Basic Samsung 500GB) as soon as I got it and you know what? The SSD does everything faster than the rest of the laptop.
BTW, super-fast SSDs are only useful if you frequently transfer very large files, e.g. whole disk image backups. You won't notice the difference for normal day-to-day use.
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You should be storing your video games on a 1TB+ HDD. While SSD will give you quick load time, video games don't benefit that much from a SSD once the game is loaded.
Ewwww....
Ill wait for the truth to come out. The media loves to lie about apple; keeps them off the blacklist.
If your Mac dies you can pay about 150% the original price to get it repaired.
SSDs are already really fucking fast... Marketing this is a moot point. Your average consumer (worst, your average APPLE consumer) won't be able to tell the difference, assuming there actually is one.
I remember power cycling my Win7 laptop from college just for shits and giggles, being very impressed with the differences from installing your OS on a SSD over a HDD. That was 8~ years ago.
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All the details are missing. What technology is being utilized? Those speed results are common in comparing SATA to NVMe SSDs. All the laptops I see with a M.2 are shipped with a SATA SSD. I find it hard to believe any laptop with a NVMe SSD is only getting 399.4 MB/s write speed (Dell XPS 13). For NVMe, I see 2100 MB/s on the low end and 2600 MB/s on the high end (with X4). The "BlackMagic Disk Speed test for macOS" returned a score of 2,682 MB/s, which I admit is pretty fast for a laptop, but not "insane". A better question is what are the failure rates? NVMe SSDs get hot. What cooling technology breakthrough is Apple using? Is there an empty 2.5 inch bay for more storage and backup (like my HP)? Without proper cooling, NVMe SSDs are begging to fail.
They're using Samsung 970 EVO NVME?
My laptop(Asus Zenbook) already has this SSD and this performance level. I feel that I overpaid for it. But, it still costs half of what this MacBook costs.
"To be fair, Apple’s relatively new APFS file system is designed to speed up file file copies using a technology Apple calls Instant Cloning. But a win is a win."
They should have tried with a 260 GB file, it would have been at the same speed. And the resulting two copies wouldn't even fit on the disk.
Depends on the game, the difference between FO4 on an SSD and an HDD is noticeable. Most of the doors in that game = loading new area.
Even if it's nvme, only synthetics show huge numbers. As soon as you turn to real world apps and games, there's like a 1% benefit. That's because sata SSDs are not the current bottleneck.
you never know what you're getting. To be fair, you've pretty much got to go with Asus or one of the boutique gaming laptop companies like iBuyPower to get that though, and you usually pay a $200 premium. But, well, the Apple premium blows that out of the water...
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it's not even close. Now get off my lawn.
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A couple of years ago Apple decided to make the RAM and SSDs non-upgradable. This means that if I want to buy a more affordable laptop now and upgrade it in a couple of years when I need the extra RAM/storage I will not be able to. If I want a 4TB drive I'd have to pay the extra few thousand for it now rather than wait until they come down in price. That is not affordable to me. The other option would be to buy one with less RAM/SDD and buy a brand new machine when I need to upgrade. Either way the cost is a lot more and I lose out in both cases. It's definitely a great thing for Apple because they force their users to buy a whole new machine whenever they want an upgrade. But it's not great for the user nor the environment. It's clear Apple no longer cares about their customers. Maybe they never did but it just wasn't as obvious.
What I'm thinking about here is the loss of connectivity options. Most laptops now do not have Ethernet, a couple of USB A ports, HDMI connectivity, a separate charging port. Instead, the result is dongle hell. There might be one or two USB C ports, one of which is for charging. Try to add a wireless mouse with one of those tiny USB A connectors and some other USB A device at the same time. Maybe it'll use unreliable Blue tooth. SSD connectors also seem to be disappearing. With the advent of routers with Giga bit Ethernet, Wi-Fi may not cut it for your home intranet much less Wi-Fi connectivity to a Giga bit, or slower, cable Internet connection. Other readers can think of losses in capability for their own situations.
There surely have been improvements in laptops such as higher quality screens, touch screens, two-and-one hardware, energy efficient electronics giving much longer on battery use, lighter weight, etc. But, laptops are generally meant to be easily portable. Thinner, lighter devices requiring a bulky dongles somewht reduce that advantage
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Can just be upgraded to whatever the fastest is.
I want magsafe so my toddler won't destroy my mac while crawling around, a few usb ports I can use without a dongle, my F-keys, and a sane keyboard.
SSDs aren't spinning rust hard disks. Larger capacity hard disks can be faster when they increase areal denstiy because more bits can pass under the read/write heads during a single platter revolution - but SSDs don't function like that.
Now if they would just put all the ports they thoughtlessly ripped out back, put the magnetically coupled charging port back, and give it a reliable, fully-functional keyboard like they USED TO MAKE, they would have a laptop I might consider buying.
Our reign has gone on long enough. Indeed. Summon the meteors.
Linux enables me to spend a great deal more on a laptop or a workstation actually. I see this anemic little SSD and chuckle. So what if it's "fast". I would rather have more storage.
I can get 2.5TB of SSD storage on a Linux laptop.
My old bruiser has 2.5TB of conventional storage. My "outdated" bruiser probably still has a better GPU than this Apple toy.
That Apple "toy" can be configured with up to a 6 core CPU as well as 4 TB of the FASTEST laptop SSD around
Now what?
Even if you slap an NVME SSD in it, it's still a laptop with terrible cooling that cannot even make full use of its horsepower because it will thermal throttle.
Expect these to die from heating related issues more often than any laptop with proper cooling built in.
Apple, built by "geniuses".
Apple is committed to poor performance by refusing to put NVidia graphics in their laptops. Why? Because culturally they don't care about getting the absolutely best performance. They're going to sell whatever crap they can to consumers. The iPhone is their main business - the Mac is just a hobby at this point - as is evidenced by the lack of a professional desktop machine that can use internal graphics cards. Of course the MacBook Pro can use an external GPU. So can every other blessed new computer in the world. The lack of other ports on the MBP is frustrating. You can't even plug in a fricking mouse because who sells USB-C mice?! God their arrogance is annoying.
Remember kids, if you're not paying for the service, YOU ARE THE PRODUCT THAT IS BEING SOLD.
Sadly I think the display is one of its most dated parts - it's hardly changed from the screen on my 2013 MacBook Pro. Which was great for its day, but falls far short of modern offerings.
Other laptops offer much higher resolutions like 3200x1800 or 3840x2160, real HDR, 120Hz frame rates, smaller bezels, touch sensitivity... the Alienware 13 even has OLED. While Apple is still serving up basically the same LCD "Retina" 2880x1440 displays for years now. They still have decent colour gamuts but nothing you can't get elsewhere. Frankly, if I didn't need macOS support then I'd be all over an XPS 15 instead, personally.
Why would anyone engrave "Elbereth"?
Higher failure rates on lower volumes. Yep. Apple.
Kill yourself with your shitty browser. We don't use UTF-8 here.
Apple does sell bigger sizes than their defaults. I remember seeing 1 TB SSDs last year. Yes, I agree to take sizes over speed. Also, small sizes and prices are the problems. :(
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Thing people over look We are also talking about a LAPTOP. Not really greatest thing for gaming most the time. 99.999% of people will never get any really noticeable benefit from 3.2GB/s read speeds that a good SATA3 ssd won't handle just fine if you can also get 2x the space for less $. On side note of ssd chips in soldered to the board, i have a dell with an m.2 slot i could put a SSD of same speed in and not have to replace the whole laptop if ssd fail's. I put a 500gb sata based m.2 in mine cause it was same price as nvme 256gb version and its quick.
You really think a cheap ass Linux prick is going to spend $7K on anything?
Oh my Heavens, just where are you getting that shit you smoke. Linux pricks use the cheapest crap they can find and they scoff at buying anything at retail prices.
The digital world makes you polarized.
The good news is that most popular games do not run on a Mac.
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Still a shit OS with a crappy keyboard and crap GPU.
Now what?
For $6700 or whatever I would expect double to triple for every major spec it has.
"Fastest SSD ever in a laptop" short of all the laptops released in the last few years with NVMe PCIe 4x SSD slots with a 960 Pro slapped in them. I have a Sager with a 960 Pro in it, though not clear if Apple is basing theirs on the 960 Pro, 970 Evo, or 970 Pro. As the benchmarks posted put it somewhere around the speed of the 970 Evo, but I also don't trust any of the benchmarks they've used.
I bet it also has the fastest keyboard failure ever seen on a laptop and that includes the recent Acers with the "trampoline" keyboard.
Now what?
Decent keyboard that actually works? Decent GPU? Option for more RAM? Magsafe? Dongle-less usage of just about any wired peripheral?
this is the final nail in the coffin of desktop linsux
First of all, take the SSD results with a grain of salt. You can't compare read/write performance with a filesystem only Apple has. Had the Mac run Windows on Boot Camp, and then the SSD benchmarks run, that would give accurate results.
If you want real results, install Windows on the machines, all the same version, all the same filesystem, and then run the benchmarks. Otherwise this is just garbage, and makes the makers of these statistics look like absolute schmucks.
These stat results have as much to do with real life as trying to do read/write I/O against /dev/null or /dev/zero.
100GB on games???
You mean you have 4 games installed?
"video games don't benefit that much from a SSD once the game is loaded."
This is not true at all anymore. Game assets are far too big to fit in memory anymore.
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
SSDs cannot "see". Neither can events, places, organisations, days of the week, or anything else that isn't living or a camera.
The idiots in the media have started misusing the words "see" and "saw" all the time now, just because they can't think of how to write English properly. How about "Higher capacity SSDs may HAVE even faster speeds".
But that wouldn't include the magic 'journo-speak' word "see", misused as always, would it...
The 4TB option costs an additional $3200 on a laptop that already costs about $3000. $6000 is a lot to spend on a laptop that will likely fail in the first two years.
SIZE, not speed is what most of us need
that's what she said
Agree. I just bought the 256GB laptop and I need to have a lot of discipline because it fills a lot, specially when using virtual machines.
Anyone can toss a 970 Pro in a laptop and get 3000 MB/s reads and similar writes.
So what?
But does it have the Apple logo on it and come in space grey?
Mac games are great. You know they are great, because you already played them on PC last year, or five years ago.