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Amazon Responds After Third-Party Sellers Put Bootleg Games on Its Store (venturebeat.com)

Jeff Grubb, reporting for VentureBeat: Over the weekend, some thrifty gamers spotted a deal on Amazon. A downloadable version of the tough strategy survival sim Frostpunk was available on the Amazon Marketplace from a third-party seller for $3, which is a 90 percent discount from the standard $30 price. But after looking into the game, some customers who dropped the three bucks had some questions. For example, why does the metadata for this version of Frostpunk refer to the DRM-free version that people can buy from GOG. [...] So I reached out to Amazon, and it provided the following statement from a company spokesperson: "Our customers trust that when they make a purchase through Amazon's store --either directly from Amazon or from its third-party sellers -- they will receive authentic products, and we take any claims that endanger that trust seriously. We strictly prohibit the sale of counterfeit products, and these games have been removed." That's all it would say on this.

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  1. The games have been removed. by olsmeister · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And the sellers have been removed as well?

    1. Re:The games have been removed. by Only+Time+Will+Tell · · Score: 2

      Probably not... and they probably wouldn't have removed the games if public attention hadn't be made. They don't care about sellers selling counterfeits- they do care about the public knowing it though.

      Pretty much this. From board games to clothing to unlicensed materials, Amazon only seems to take fakes seriously if someone raises enough of a stink about it in the media.

  2. What else did they need to say? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 2

    >> "We strictly prohibit the sale of counterfeit products, and these games have been removed." That's all it would say on this.

    What else did they need to say? Someone violated their policy and they bounced them.

    Just be careful out there: when buying from Amazon/Walmart/NewEgg, NEVER buy from ANY of the marketplace folks and use the vendor filters if necessary, and they'll eventually just go away on their own.

    1. Re:What else did they need to say? by mangastudent · · Score: 2

      Just be careful out there: when buying from Amazon/Walmart/NewEgg, NEVER buy from ANY of the marketplace folks and use the vendor filters if necessary, and they'll eventually just go away on their own.

      This doesn't work with Amazon due to comingling with 3rd party vendors who use Amazon for fulfillment. To improve the efficiency of their logistics, everything gets thrown into one virtual and many physical bins, I'm not even sure they maintain any traceability. So when you think you're buying it from them, it's a crapshoot ... although as of late I've wondered if it's 3rd parties or Amazon that notoriously puts bare hard drives with nothing more than an anti-static bag into their inventory bins. NewEgg, as far as I know after they got acquired, doesn't do 3rd party fulfillment, and still packs their hard drives well, but I haven't bought anything from them in some time.

      For that matter, I've had very good luck with 3rd party Amazon vendors as long as their satisfaction rate in >= 96%, they've been in business for a while and have shipped "enough" orders to customers, and of course they do their own shipping. But the way Amazon has been raising their fees, more and more I judge their quality by Amazon feedback and then look them up on the Internet and buy direct, for often substantially lower prices including shipping.

  3. Re:Fake Board Games by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well, yes. Amazon's end tail business model is pretty scummy, because it beats up on little companies without the resources to fight back. Most recently I've seen it happen to a T-shirt shop whose designs took off in Amazon marketplace: as soon as sales got above a certain threshold, Amazon duplicated the designs on their own Asia-sourced T-shirts and kicked the shop off of marketplace.

    Some attorney will probably get rich someday with an IP-based class action vs. Amazon on this kind of thing, but until they do, it's best to support your favorite goods and shops directly.

  4. Re:Amazon doesn't do quality control by FunkSoulBrother · · Score: 2

    Perhaps they should hire some people to do it then. Everyone would be rightly pissed if Target or Walmart was selling knockoff Chinese laptop chargers in their brick-and-mortar stores, yet they seem to be able to avoid this, and they have less cash and more overhead than Amazon.

  5. No they don't care about counterfeits by overnight_failure · · Score: 2

    I know this from personal experience.

    I bought a projector lamp from them (being sold by Amazon itself not a third party) and it overheated and melted the projector mirror. I sent the projector off to Optoma who examined everything and said the bulb was a counterfeit. Presented with this evidence Amazon said they believed their supplier that the bulb was genuine and refused to admit any liability.

    They literally said the people that make the product were wrong. I've never bought from them since (5+ years and counting).

    Amazon don't care unless it costs them money.

  6. Amazon river of counterfeits and they don't care. by BigBlockMopar · · Score: 3, Informative

    Popping up as a new one. It is not as of their stock has been confiscated. Nothing a bit of scripting could not handle.
    Because it all depends how much they get, not how much they did not get.

    I bought a microSD card from Amazon and I got a fake labeled with more capacity than it really had. Amazon really didn't care; they got their commission. I had to fight to get a refund from a Chinese seller who is still ripping people off many years later.

    I will never buy from Amazon again.

    You can say what you want about Walmart and Home Depot and other retailers, but bricks-and-mortar retailers hate thieves more than anyone else. If they accidentally sell counterfeits, they take it very seriously.

    Jeff Bezos may be the richest man on the planet but I feel like he's one of the most unscrupulous. I wish only the slowest and most painful of cancers on him.

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  7. Re:Amazon doesn't do quality control by Xenx · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Brick and mortar stores don't inspect each and every product as it comes into the store. That would be insane. Brick and mortar stores get their shipments from trusted sources and assume they won't get screwed over.The only way for Amazon to do the same would be to not allow 3rd party sellers at all.

    First, unless it goes through an Amazon warehouse, the product is handled and shipped by the third party. Amazon is only the store front. Second, the third party could always provide correct samples to Amazon while then provide fake ones to the customer, unless they manually test each and every product(Would be counter to the first point). Third, if it comes to digital products, the people they hire would have to be very knowledgeable about every digital product they check. They would also need to buy multiple copies of the product through "personal" accounts to verify they're getting what the customer gets and that each time it matches up. Then, determine if the digital product they receive is correct and contact the developer/producer/etc and verify. Again, this would be for every seller of every product.

  8. Re:Amazon doesn't do quality control by lgw · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Target doesn't allow third party sellers. You don't have these problems if you stick to stuff "sold by Amazon", but everything else is sort of a flea market. IMO, fraudulent sellers in general are a big problem. If the Chinese seller ships you anything you're better than average.

    Amazon needs to get on top of obvious patterns of fraud. If I can recognize that a seller is likely fraudulent, so can an algorithm. Some of the problems are more subtle and require a specialist to spot bad products (e.g., hard drives or camera lenses), but Amazon can hire those.
     

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  9. Re:Amazon doesn't do quality control by DogDude · · Score: 2

    Brick and mortar stores don't inspect each and every product as it comes into the store.

    That's bullshit. I work in an independent briack-and-mortar chain with 30,000 SKU's, and we know each and every product we bring in.

    Why are you so eager to defend Amazon, which is clearly interested in screwing over its customers? Amazon could absolutely verify all of the products they sell. They choose not to.

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  10. Re:Amazon doesn't do quality control by DogDude · · Score: 3, Interesting

    We buy from known suppliers. We know who we're buying from and what we're buying. Amazon is selling anything from anybody. Those two things are opposites.

    I don't know what you're talking about, opening every product and testing it before selling it. I don't know what that has to do with this conversation.

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