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Google Warns Android Might Not Remain Free Because of EU Decision (theverge.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Verge: The EU's decision to force Google to unbundle its Chrome and search apps from Android may have some implications for the future of Android's free business model. In a blog post defending Google's decision to bundle search and Chrome apps on Android, Google CEO Sundar Pichai outlines the company's response to the EU's $5 billion fine. Pichai highlights the fact a typical Android user will "install around 50 apps themselves" and can easily remove preinstalled apps. But if Google is prevented from bundling its own apps, that will upset the Android ecosystem.

"If phone makers and mobile network operators couldn't include our apps on their wide range of devices, it would upset the balance of the Android ecosystem," explains Pichai, carefully avoiding the fact that phone makers will no longer be forced to bundle these apps but can still choose to do so. Pichai then hints that the free Android business model has relied on this app bundling. "So far, the Android business model has meant that we haven't had to charge phone makers for our technology, or depend on a tightly controlled distribution model," says Pichai. "But we are concerned that today's decision will upset the careful balance that we have struck with Android, and that it sends a troubling signal in favor of proprietary systems over open platforms."
While it may be a bluff to court popular opinion, Google is threatening to license Android to phone makers. "[I]f phone makers can bundle their own browsers instead of Chrome and point search queries toward rivals, then that could have implications for Google's mobile ad revenue, which constitutes more than 50 percent of the company's net digital ad revenue," reports The Verge.

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  1. I can't remove pre-installed apps by rsilvergun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    my carrier locks them to my phone by marking them as system applications. At one point I had an Android phone with a demo of a Puzzle Bobble clone that was marked as a critical system app. Pissed me off because I wanted the 127 mb of space back (which is a hell of a lot for a Puzzle Bobble Clone). To be fair I'm an American though.

    Meanwhile I don't think Europeans are going to care if they have to pay $10 bucks for Android, and I don't think Google will be able to charge much more than that.

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    1. Re:I can't remove pre-installed apps by r1348 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Have you tried removing Safari from your iPhone?

    2. Re:I can't remove pre-installed apps by TigerPlish · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Can't, but you can get rid of Mail, Compass, Music, TV, Itunes Store, Facetime, Calculator, Stocks, Weather and Voice Memos.

      Any other questions?

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    3. Re:I can't remove pre-installed apps by shel10 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Pre-installed apps can not be removed. At best you can deactivate, but with every update, they come back. I've got at least 5 phone books created by these apps, and can't get to a single phone book and calendar.

    4. Re: I can't remove pre-installed apps by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because. That's why I don't like Safari. I don't like Chrome much, either. Sea Monkey where possible, Firefox anywhere else.

      I don't need to give a reason, and anybody with a clue already knows why.

    5. Re: I can't remove pre-installed apps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Google is going to do what's best for google. They did that before the fine, and theyll continue to do that going forward.

      They are implying that if they start charging money for android its the fault of the EU.

      I suppose google would have us believe until now android has been free out of the goodness of their heart, rather than their estimation of what would yield maximum profit.

  2. Two things by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First, Android is not free. You pay for it with your personal information. If it's free as in "open", then Google should license it as such instead of fucking around.

    Second, if Android is worth anything, people will pay for it with money.

    Third (bonus), I do not want my operating system to be an "ecosystem". I want it to be an operating system and get the fuck out of my way.

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    1. Re:Two things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      First, AOSP is, it's licensed under a combination of GNU 2.0 (Linux kernel) and Apache 2.0. The problem is the Google Apps package that's required to access Google's app store.

      Second, the people wouldn't, the manufacturers would

      Third, that's what AOSP is for.

    2. Re:Two things by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      First, AOSP is, it's licensed under a combination of GNU 2.0 (Linux kernel) and Apache 2.0. The problem is the Google Apps package that's required to access Google's app store.

      So, it's free, but with restrictions. Which doesn't sound like "free" to me.

      Second, the people wouldn't, the manufacturers would

      The manufacturers don't pay for shit. Where do you think the money comes from? Every penny, at every step in the development and manufacturing process of an Android device is coming from consumers. This idea that a corporation that makes consumer products is "paying" for anything is something you have to get over. It keeps you in bondage.

      Third, that's what AOSP is for.

      You mean the "free, but with restrictions" AOSP? Don't be gullible.

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    3. Re: Two things by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I'll wait for you to logically trace your statement back through where profits come from, which is revenue; and where revenue comes from, which is consumers.

      The money is from consumers, but it's not taxed until it is transformed alchemically, into profits.

      My point is, that the notion that "rising taxes means rising prices" is provably not true. That's where you're going with this, right? "Consumers pay all taxes as higher prices." The problem is that you will learn in any economics course that just is not true except in the case of monopolies. And if we have nothing but monopolies, we're so far gone that all talk of "consumers" and "taxes" is of no value because we're all fucked.

      See, the thing about pricing consumer goods is this: If a corporation could charge more, they'd already be charging more. Taxes on their profits have no effect on their production costs.

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  3. Re:Oh noes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    ? The other companies are welcome to develop their on OS like Apple has.

  4. easily remove pre installed by sakono · · Score: 3, Insightful

    is a load of bull. i've had and have a phone with twitter and a couple other apps that i cannot uninstall. it will not get ride of them.

  5. Re:Bullshit by shess · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "If phone makers and mobile network operators couldn't include our apps on their wide range of devices, it would upset the balance of the Android ecosystem," explains Pichai,

    Utter fucking bullshit. No user WANTS this junk on their phone. The "ecosystem" he's talking about is the kickbacks they get for dumping a load of garbage onto people's phones. It's anti-competitive and removes power from the people. Fuck your business deals. Let people choose what they want to run.

    To be clear, the "choice" here is between Google forcing carriers and phone vendors to have certain apps on the phone, versus carriers and vendors placing their horrible in-house apps on the phone. You aren't going to get to choose either way. At least with Google's version you'll have more-or-less production-ready apps with relatively long-term support.

  6. Better solution: REAL competition with less profit by shanen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There is a better solution by using a PUBLIC standard for Android without the google's monopolistic control over it and with REAL competition driving REAL innovation at every level and in every part of the Android platform, not just the low-margin commodity hardware. The only problem is that it would reduce the google's profit.

    Whoops. I forgot that would be a religious violation. "There is no gawd but profit, and the EVIL google must become gawd's #1 prophet!"

    Actually, it isn't clear if the google is the most evil of the inhuman corporate cancers that are destroying our lives for the greater glory of profit maximization. However it is absolutely clear that the problem of profit maximization is a FAKE problem because there is NO possible solution. There is always a bigger number for a more maximum profit.

    Here's my simpleminded solution: A progressive tax on corporate profits based on market share. The data is already there for public corporations that are required to open their books. As a company's taxes increase, it would eventually become MORE profitable to reproduce by fission.

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  7. google confirms EU ruling by bloodhawk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Statement from Google pretty much confirms the EU is correct in that Google is forcing its services to lock out the market and make money. Personally I have no problems if Android doesn't remain free and it means a couple of dollars more on the cost of my devices, would happily trade that for a more open environment.

  8. Re:can easily remove preinstalled apps by currently_awake · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Having a fine for every pre-installed App you can't un-install would be very popular.