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Best Buy Is Thriving In the Age of Amazon (defenseone.com)

Best Buy is turning to in-home consultants to help distinguish it from Amazon. The advisors act as "personal chief technology officers," helping people make their homes smart or merely more functional. "Unlike the Geek Squad and blue shirts working in stores, they'll be paid an annual salary instead of an hourly wage," reports Bloomberg. "Their house calls are free and can last as long as 90 minutes. [...] They're supposed to establish long-term relationships with their customers rather than chase one-time transactions." From the report: With more than 1,000 big-box stores in North America and about 125,000 employees, Best Buy was supposed to have succumbed to the inevitable. "Everyone thought we were going to die," says Hubert Joly, who was hired as chief executive officer in August 2012 after profits shrunk about 90 percent in one quarter and his predecessor resigned amid an investigation into his relationship with an employee. Instead, Best Buy has become an improbable survivor led by an unlikely boss.

The in-home advisors went national in September. When one of the trainees at the session in Minneapolis asked Joly how big he hoped the program could become, he said: "I don't have a specific goal. I don't think it would be helpful. McKinsey never had a goal of how many clients. It was how good was the work." Another employee said: "This is why Amazon can't compete with us. They can't dispatch an army of in-home agents." Joly wasn't as sure. "Amazon is an amazing company," he replied. "They kill companies. Maybe they will do this. But we have an incredible opportunity. If someone wants to copy, that's fine." Amazon has started offering free smart-home consultations and installations. It doesn't have a chain of big-box stores in which to meet customers, but that didn't bother investors. Best Buy's stock dropped 6.3 percent when Amazon announced its plans a year ago.

109 comments

  1. Do they have sales targets? commission? by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Do they have sales targets?
    Do they get commission?

    Do they do tech work or just sell sell sell?

    1. Re: Do they have sales targets? commission? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They have sales targets but donâ(TM)t work on commission.

    2. Re: Do they have sales targets? commission? by youngone · · Score: 2

      They have sales targets but don't work on commission.

      That sounds like the worst of both worlds for the workers.
      So when the boss wants to know why the team are not selling enough TV's (or whatever) they can honestly say "because you're not paying us enough to do that".

    3. Re:Do they have sales targets? commission? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This works because skill and judgement replaces KPI's. And because some people are shit lazy OR love to order a monkey around - a much bigger buzz than pushing enter on an Amazon cart,

      Better if they were a consumer advocate - getting the best deals for everything.
      Big ticket items are now teeth, medical insurance, and new cars - I am sure BB would be happy to take a percentage cut.
      I am surprised womens clothing is not on that list - given there was once Avon and Tupperware

    4. Re: Do they have sales targets? commission? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can tell you as a sales manager for Best Buy that their bonus (monthly) and salary is great. Here in denver the minimum pay for them is 54k..

    5. Re: Do they have sales targets? commission? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They euphemistically call it "demand-driven scheduling."

      You're not working for a commission, you're working for the ability to work full time. It's exactly as shitty as it sounds.

  2. I shop Newegg.com only, by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

    they started charging me tax. I drive to Best Buy now; what I want is cheaper than online, even with tax.

    1. Re:I shop Newegg.com only, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same here. newegg.com started charging sales tax in WA even though they don't have a nexus here. I also work for a nonprofit that doesn't pay sales tax and even emailed taxforms@newegg.com several times. They still charge us sales tax even though they legally shouldn't.

  3. Some people like physically seeing items. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A lot of people like seeing big ticket items in person before purchasing. Best Buy is the only electronics store in the US (yes Walmart and target sell electronics but itâ(TM)s not the same) and they price match Amazon for any products they carry that are shipped and sold by Amazon. Iâ(TM)m honestly not surprised they are thriving.

    1. Re:Some people like physically seeing items. by arbiter1 · · Score: 2

      Other nice thing is since BB has locations usually near you, if you can order it from their site you have a LOCAL place you can take it to if you have problem's. No need to worry about boxing it back up after dealing with online support, can take it straight to a physical location.

    2. Re:Some people like physically seeing items. by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      Only electronics store? What about B&H, Fry's, and MicroCenter?

    3. Re:Some people like physically seeing items. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They should have said national electronics store. Fry's has 34 locations, Microcenter has 25, and B&H has only one that I know of. Most people will never see any of these, even if they live in a state where there may be one.

    4. Re:Some people like physically seeing items. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But with their restocking fee, you can usually buy cheaper mailorder and pay for shipping back.

    5. Re:Some people like physically seeing items. by known_coward_69 · · Score: 2

      B&H is a camera museum in NYC. Last time I bought something there it was a 30 minute checkout process to buy a $30 USB flash drive. And their receipt was like DMV paperwork. I chose the drive from one guy, another station to pay and a third station to wait to pick up while everything travels in their tube system.

      Never again. people only go there cause they have a good selection of DSLR's and other camera gear and people who know the products.

    6. Re:Some people like physically seeing items. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bought 2 expensive (to me) camcorders from B&H to do videoconferencing, at the time webcams were poor quality. I bought their extended warranty on both. When I had a problem and needed repair, B&H didn't help me and the company on the warranty didn't either. I would never buy from B&H again.

    7. Re:Some people like physically seeing items. by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2

      A lot of their stock isn't on display and has to be brought up from the basement via conveyor. Process is actually very efficient (as long as you don't go during peak shopping hours, it takes about five minutes). It also allows B&H to stock a huge amount of items in a brick-and-mortar store.

    8. Re: Some people like physically seeing items. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amazon is talking about a new service where they will drive a demonstration truck over to your house with products to examine first hand.

    9. Re:Some people like physically seeing items. by swb · · Score: 1

      I keep wondering why MicroCenter doesn't open another store in town.

      One a month I have to go by there to pick up something for a project and the fucking line is like 30 people deep, 30 minutes after opening. You don't even wanna go in there on the weekend.

      Their shelves are kind of a mess, but they have a little bit of everything.

    10. Re: Some people like physically seeing items. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've never seen any of those. But there is 2 best buys within 15 minutes of my house.

  4. Best Buy's new business plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    1. Survive long enough to be the bought by Amazon before the stock price craters.
    2. ?
    3. Profit! (Lay off all the employees, and give all the C*O's and board members 8 figure bonuses.)

  5. Amazon will to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Amazon can hire local electricians and tech geeks to do this too. Same goes with home depot

    1. Re:Amazon will to by nwf · · Score: 2

      A number of "home service" companies hire local companies, including Home Depot. They all suck, because the large corporation can't vet the sub and people who are doing well won't take their crap jobs. They are no threat to BB of what they are doing takes off.

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    2. Re:Amazon will to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A number of "home service" companies hire local companies, including Home Depot. They all suck, because the large corporation can't vet the sub and people who are doing well won't take their crap jobs. They are no threat to BB of what they are doing takes off.

      And sometimes it's not even a local company. I live in a large metro area and my home warranty company sent someone from a 90 min drive away to fix my air conditioner. He was visibly annoyed on arrival and the quality of his "repair" showed that. Note to others: don't buy a home warranty out of pocket. It's a complete ripoff for all but a few that do get a major failure during the term.

    3. Re:Amazon will to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If what they're going takes off it'll be Uber-ized. Got some tech skills? Sign up to prove tech support. Don't want some random guy from an evil corporation rummaging through your house? All our techs are rated by people like you! This is starting to happen in tons of service-based fields.

  6. Door-to-door sales and the FTC’s Cooling-Off by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Will they be ok with the Door-to-door sales and the FTC’s Cooling-Off Rules or say sorry your are stuck with the Restocking Fees and that 2 year directv contract

  7. it seems elementary by rmdingler · · Score: 1
    It seems reasonable, after the death of Circuit City, Sears, Radio Shack, et al; that some brick and mortar competitors to the Bezos juggernaut would thrive... simply provide a level of service unprofitable and as yet unavailable from the online bookseller...

    We've seen a dramatic shift to the remarkable ease online purchasing has provided customers, yet every volley is instigation for an improved return.

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    1. Re:it seems elementary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given that it is easier to return things to someone local, Best Buy will continue to have an advantage over mail-order and Fry's. I bought ten 64 GB USB keys from Fry's in Renton, WA, and none of them worked. They wouldn't allow us to do a return. I ended-up having to do a chargeback with my credit card. I bought ten replacements from Best Buy, and they worked so I don't know about their return policy, but they worked.

    2. Re:it seems elementary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True, but after my local Best Buy beat someone to death in 1995, I haven't been back. IIRC, his name was Douglas Fischer. Best Buy was found guilty in a civil suit since they asked a local sheriff for recommendations on local thugs that had criminal convictions to work security. They killed a guy that tried to buy a laptop and laser printer. He tried to buy it with a stolen credit card that wasn't signed and he signed his own signature so while security was correct in deciding to beat him, the signature on the card was his. Either way, they shouldn't have made the decision to beat him to death.

    3. Re:it seems elementary by snapsnap · · Score: 1

      Spartanburg, SC? I was there for four months in the summer of 1995 doing contract work for Advantica after Transworld moved their headquarters to there. I remember when that happened since Best Buy was adamant in their denial of hiring convicted criminals and later proven that they did. Their security was right in killing him, but only with information they didn't have at the time.

    4. Re:it seems elementary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correct. That was in Spartanburg.

      The amusing (in a morbid way) thing to me was that when the store first opened the poles in front of the store were yellow, but the week after they beat that guys head against a pole, they repainted them red.

    5. Re:it seems elementary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That wasn't Spartanburg County's fault. Best Buy hired thugs that the Greenville County Sheriff recommend.

    6. Re:it seems elementary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy crap. I lived there from 1994 until 1998, and I remember Best Buy changing their posts in front of the store from their yellow color to red, but I didn't kno why.

    7. Re:it seems elementary by Slashdot+Junky · · Score: 1

      I don't remember this happening. I was among the crew that opened the new store and only store in Spartanburg in mid July 1995 and remained an employee through August 1997. I mostly worked in the computer department during my stay. This isn't something that could have been kept under wrap.

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    8. Re:it seems elementary by Slashdot+Junky · · Score: 2

      Sure enough! The attempted theft and death did happen July 22, 1995. It has been a long time. Yet, I do remember some of the people referenced. Hmmm... I am surprised that I don't remember the event.

      http://www.goupstate.com/artic...

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    9. Re: it seems elementary by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      Sounds close to my experience with BestBuy. After they broke my grandmother's iPad in the store while trying to jam it in the wrong case, and subsequently blaming her for it, I knew nothing had changed in twenty years. The fall in the same category as eBay or Pay-Pal.

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    10. Re:it seems elementary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was BB fault. Follow cops advice and you deserve what happens.

      Cops are really fucking derpy.

      numbnuts

    11. Re:it seems elementary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Smoke less meth and stay out of your sisters crotch and things will improve for you.

      numbnuts

    12. Re:it seems elementary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup, I lived there and pretty much everyone in the south is an inbred retarded literal motherfucker. Their own mother, it never occurs to them to fuck their buddies mom.

    13. Re:it seems elementary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Their security was right in killing him, but only with information they didn't have at the time.

      What did he do that deserved the death penalty?

  8. and will best buy take the offers made or say the by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    and will best buy take the offers made or say the rep give you the wrong price or some like install with stairs is X more on the install date.

    Comcast door to door reps have made offers that where not honored.

  9. Re:Door-to-door sales and the FTC’s Cooling- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would you be ok with learning proper English? Your word salads are difficult to parse.

  10. I find this fascinating by GerryGilmore · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In the era where "online sales will rule everything!" seems omniscient, I'm very pleased to see SOME level of creative thinking. Rather than just roll over, they're trying something different enough to distinguish themselves. Good on them! I hope it works.

    1. Re:I find this fascinating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rather than just roll over

      Or even worse, demand legislation to protect their business model.

    2. Re:I find this fascinating by Powercntrl · · Score: 1

      In the era where "online sales will rule everything!" seems omniscient, I'm very pleased to see SOME level of creative thinking.

      It's just a new spin on the "pushy salesmen" tactics. Ironically, Best Buy used to tout their non-commissioned sales associates as providing a more pleasant shopping experience, over competitors such as Circuit City, Radio Shack, Sears, and probably a few others I'm forgetting.

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    3. Re:I find this fascinating by jbmartin6 · · Score: 2

      Very true. Best Buy used to complain that people used their store as a showroom then went home and ordered from Amazon. That blew my mind. A retailer complaining that people come into the store? That's half the battle already and Amazon was helping them do it! It is good to see them at least thinking about why someone would rather buy from Amazon than in the store. But there is still a lot of room for improvement. Recently, I needed some monitors quick so I tried their pick it up service since I was going to be in the vicinity of a store in an hour or so. After doing my other tasks for an hour, I went to the store figuring the stuff would be ready soon. I was wrong. There were plenty of blue shirts in the store not particularly busy, but I never got the email that my monitors were ready for pickup. I left after 30 minutes looking around, and had time to drive home and cancel the order online. I got new ones next day from Amazon. How long does it take to pull a couple monitors from the back? Five minutes? Sure I could have just gotten someone in the store to go get them, but the I was irked at that point.

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    4. Re:I find this fascinating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are also doing decent work with their pricing and availability and sourcing. Best Buy is where I go to when I want Nintendo and "Disney" pre-orders. It's working, as I'm buying more and more from them and less and less from Amazon (though, far from retiring my Amazon card).

    5. Re:I find this fascinating by Agripa · · Score: 1

      Very true. Best Buy used to complain that people used their store as a showroom then went home and ordered from Amazon. That blew my mind. A retailer complaining that people come into the store? That's half the battle already and Amazon was helping them do it! It is good to see them at least thinking about why someone would rather buy from Amazon than in the store.

      The last few times I visited Best Buy, it was to get something that I needed immediately but invariably, what they just showed examples of what I did *not* want so I would end up ordering online and waiting. Best Buy's selection was large but too uniform.

  11. How does having 90 minute house calls scale? by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

    I don't see how Best Buy can compete in sales and esp profit against Amazon with that kind of time per sale stat.

    1. Re:How does having 90 minute house calls scale? by nwf · · Score: 1

      Presumably it's the first meeting that's 90 minutes, then they keep selling stuff and installing it with shorter meetings. Many people will fall back on the established relationship because it's easier than going elsewhere. I'd never invite them into my home, but I'd guess readers of this site aren't their target audience.

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    2. Re: How does having 90 minute house calls scale? by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      Noting the infractions of the Geek Squad it will only be a matter of time before this squad blows the trust. You also have to carefully select who goes to what neigbirhood or it will not work as planned.

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  12. I don't trust Amazon delivery people in my house! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Funny, but I trust Worst Buy as much as I trust Trump...NOT AT ALL!!! Worst Buy's Creep Squad has proved that they cannot be trusted...EVER!

  13. Brought to you by the FBI... by Cornwallis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The FBI will love having Best Buy develop "personal relationships" with people in their homes:
    https://www.npr.org/sections/t...

    1. Re:Brought to you by the FBI... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Precisely this. Next up they can "consult" to include IPCams on the property and "suggest" using Best Buy's cloud backup to provide recoverability. When they're not spying on people (like Amazon, Google, Facebook, and Microsoft) for ad sale reasons, they can sell access to the NSA/FBI. Don't worry: they'll make you sign a contract giving them broad access rights (and to their "trusted" partners) indemnifying them from any criminal charges--not that the FBI will do anything, but some of the State AGs might. They're really engaging in some "creative thinking" to stay afloat.

      PS - Seriously, as much as it wouldn't surprise me that Amazon, Google, Facebook, and Microsoft would and are doing the same thing, AFAIK there's no direct evidence of it. Lots of gray evidence where various companies seem complicit in various ways, which is why most seem very evil. But it's just utterly disgusting how willing companies are to comply with requests that should be illegal.

    2. Re:Brought to you by the FBI... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The FBI will love having Best Buy develop "personal relationships" with people in their homes:
      https://www.npr.org/sections/t...

      Your dentist already has microphones embedded in your teeth and the cable guy bugged your place, isn’t this a little redundant?

    3. Re: Brought to you by the FBI... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except what he said is 100% true and has been proven.

      While what you say means jack shit. Do some reading for once. Learn something.

    4. Re:Brought to you by the FBI... by Agripa · · Score: 2

      The FBI has done that with cable ISP repair workers as well.

      https://arstechnica.com/tech-p...

  14. Is Beau Hamilton pimping his job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now that he got kicked out of his mom's basement?

    Beau, stop working at BB and get a real job dude! Your in-house consultations don't impress me.

  15. They're the last man standing by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    for electronics stores. There's a few regionals, but only in the big cities. And somehow they've avoided getting Bain'd like Toys R Us did. So far anyway. If you don't know what Newegg is they're pretty much it for computers and if you want to buy something in town then yeah, they're it.

    What do they call this? Survival Bias?

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    1. Re:They're the last man standing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Newegg?? Who even associates Best Buy with computers? ... seriously, that shit died like over fifteen years ago when the money moved to HDTVs and home theater equipment.

      The idea of computer sales keeping Best Buy afloat all these years... rofl

    2. Re:They're the last man standing by Powercntrl · · Score: 3, Funny

      What do they call this? Survival Bias?

      Seeing as how they've called it the "retail apocalypse", I guess that would make Best Buy a zombie.

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    3. Re: They're the last man standing by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      I would hit up costco, target, or wal-mart before shopping best buy. The others low ball the hell out of electronics because they can and no one snoops around asking if I need help.

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    4. Re:They're the last man standing by evanh · · Score: 1

      Amazon is the zombies.

    5. Re: They're the last man standing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The cultivated relationship that Best Buy has established is something I would not expect to see from Costco, Target or Wal-mart. Best Buy has consistently treated me like a VIP. As an Elite Platinum member, though, I guess I've earned it in their eyes. Still, my experience with them has been mostly fantastic, minus a few oddity's like getting an open box TV when ordering a new TV. Ultimately, it worked out, as I was able to get an open box price on a new TV, thanks to their customer service focus.

      They are far from perfect, but I like shopping at Best Buy.

    6. Re: They're the last man standing by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      This has to be a BB shil. Has anybody, ever had a similar experience?

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    7. Re: They're the last man standing by desdinova+216 · · Score: 1

      I had a situation where I bought a TV from them, took it home and while setting it up noticed the screen was cracked. I wasn't sure if it was my fault or theirs, but they exchanged it for another of the same model with minimal difficulty.

    8. Re: They're the last man standing by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 1

      Usually I know mare about whatever product I'm buying then they do. I'll research it online, compare pricing, and just go into the store to pick it up, not for advice. All I need them to do is locate items if they're not readily accessible, ring them through (without an extended warranty), and maybe help carry it out if it's a large item. Usually it's hard to find a blue shirt when you actually want one.

  16. Much more convenient... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Now you can have Best Buyers snoop through your computer without the hassle of having to take it to a store. Great for couch-bound millennials...

  17. What about Cowboom? by BenJeremy · · Score: 1

    Those knobgobblers shut down CowBoom in order to flog their store-branded "outlet" which was crap and continues to be crap.

    Screw Best Buy

  18. Re:Door-to-door sales and the FTC’s Cooling- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "word salads"? lol i think you mean "word sentences". don't you look like a fool now.

  19. Service by JBMcB · · Score: 2

    +1. Not everyone can figure out how to hook up a wifi network properly. They are getting easier, but still not there quite yet. That, along with every smart device under the sun and quirks setting them up, means there's a a great opportunity for a service like this.

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    1. Re: Service by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      While guzzling up any hope of a profit?

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  20. Exactly what I want as a worker by raymorris · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is exactly what I want as a worker. Also what I have.

    For many years I owned the companies I worked for. I'm now enjoying a steady, predictable salary, like these employees have. If I wanted unpredictable pay (like commissions), I could make a lot more money working for myself, or working contracts. I also wouldn't like commissions because that puts my own interest (my pay) in direct opposition to the customer's interest in managing the budget. I much prefer to be able to serve the customer the best I can, rather than try to sell them as much as possible in order to pay my rent.

    At my job, we also have metrics and goals - I know what's expected of me, and it's agreed to beforehand. My new boss and I didn't get along at first. My first performance review with him wasn't going so well until we started looking at the goals we had agreed to for the quarter and my actual performance. He saw that I got done what my boss had asked me to get done, so his attitude changed (an employee who gets it done is valuable to a boss).

    Recently we came up with new metrics and goals for the team, to align with the company's new strategic goals. A co-worker pointed out a possible flaw - sometimes customer needs might not match up with one of our metrics. I pointed out that having goals doesn't mean we have to ignore the customer while chasing the metric with tunnel vision. The metric is ONE way we measure the value we deliver to the customer. It's not the only way. Since our pay is salary, not toed directly to a specific metric, we can serve the customer's needs from day to day, with the metric serving its proper purpose as but one measurement.

    So that's exactly the work situation I like. Salaried, steady pay. Defined metrics and goals so I know what is expected of me and the bosses agree (in writing). But the metrics are but one thing we look at in reviews, one part of the story.

      Another important thing I do is recognized, but not measured. I really enjoy helping train and equip my teammates to better serve the customer and the team. Today I had two different people asking me for help at the same time. I love it, it improves the efficiency of the team by allowing their work to reflect my experience, and my boss appreciates the value - rather than having a less efficient and effective team because I'm selfishly chasing my own commissions.

    1. Re:Exactly what I want as a worker by GerryGilmore · · Score: 1

      Too bad I commented on this thread and don't have mod points. Your post deserves them

    2. Re: Exactly what I want as a worker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hat off. But you do realise that you are a minority. Greed does get in the way of honesty, they are conflicting interests. The result is quite the opposite of what you describe unfortunately for most jobs.

      Hope your boss does not get replaces with a greedy bastard.

      Keep up!

    3. Re:Exactly what I want as a worker by trevc · · Score: 1

      You sound like an MBA :-)

    4. Re:Exactly what I want as a worker by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      Or maybe the company does meet expectations, because they don't treat their customers like shit.

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    5. Re:Exactly what I want as a worker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's working for Best Buy. Amazon is copying them. People are willing to pay higher prices for honest, supportive help. The tunnel vision on stock price will not work with that, why don't you leave him alone and go back to your used car salesman job where your attitude belongs.

      P.S. I buy my cars online from fleet services, where I don't have to deal with numbers-driven sales people. The prices are a little higher, but they're upfront, and that's what I prefer too.

    6. Re:Exactly what I want as a worker by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      This is exactly what I want as a worker. Also what I have.

      For many years I owned the companies I worked for. I'm now enjoying a steady, predictable salary, like these employees have. If I wanted unpredictable pay (like commissions), I could make a lot more money working for myself, or working contracts. I also wouldn't like commissions because that puts my own interest (my pay) in direct opposition to the customer's interest in managing the budget. I much prefer to be able to serve the customer the best I can, rather than try to sell them as much as possible in order to pay my rent.

      At my job, we also have metrics and goals - I know what's expected of me, and it's agreed to beforehand. My new boss and I didn't get along at first. My first performance review with him wasn't going so well until we started looking at the goals we had agreed to for the quarter and my actual performance. He saw that I got done what my boss had asked me to get done, so his attitude changed (an employee who gets it done is valuable to a boss).

      Recently we came up with new metrics and goals for the team, to align with the company's new strategic goals. A co-worker pointed out a possible flaw - sometimes customer needs might not match up with one of our metrics. I pointed out that having goals doesn't mean we have to ignore the customer while chasing the metric with tunnel vision. The metric is ONE way we measure the value we deliver to the customer. It's not the only way. Since our pay is salary, not toed directly to a specific metric, we can serve the customer's needs from day to day, with the metric serving its proper purpose as but one measurement.

      So that's exactly the work situation I like. Salaried, steady pay. Defined metrics and goals so I know what is expected of me and the bosses agree (in writing). But the metrics are but one thing we look at in reviews, one part of the story.

        Another important thing I do is recognized, but not measured. I really enjoy helping train and equip my teammates to better serve the customer and the team. Today I had two different people asking me for help at the same time. I love it, it improves the efficiency of the team by allowing their work to reflect my experience, and my boss appreciates the value - rather than having a less efficient and effective team because I'm selfishly chasing my own commissions.

      Contratulations. Not everyone wants the stressful life of chasing the dollar. Your decision has probably added 20 years to your life, and to your familes wellbeing and happiness.

      --
      Leslie Satenstein Montreal Quebec Canada
  21. Thriving, no. Surviving, perhaps. by RhettLivingston · · Score: 2

    Because this article didn't match my observations of closing and aging Best Buy stores all around me, I looked the facts up.

    Their profits are roughly the same as they were a decade ago - before inflation adjustment. And they have less stores than they did at their peak. Any retail operation that isn't even maintaining is well on the path to dying.

    Perhaps this article announcing their first new store in seven years this past April justifies the "thriving" label.

    Given the collapse in other competition such as Circuit City, Radio Shack, Sears, K-Mart, etc, it is apparent that they have succeeded in picking up no customers from competitors when those competitors collapsed.

    This is "thriving"? Was this article written by Best Buy's investor relations folks?

    1. Re:Thriving, no. Surviving, perhaps. by dj245 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because this article didn't match my observations of closing and aging Best Buy stores all around me, I looked the facts up.

      Their profits are roughly the same as they were a decade ago - before inflation adjustment. And they have less stores than they did at their peak. Any retail operation that isn't even maintaining is well on the path to dying.

      Perhaps this article announcing their first new store in seven years this past April justifies the "thriving" label.

      Given the collapse in other competition such as Circuit City, Radio Shack, Sears, K-Mart, etc, it is apparent that they have succeeded in picking up no customers from competitors when those competitors collapsed.

      This is "thriving"? Was this article written by Best Buy's investor relations folks?

      I'm not buying a refrigerator from Amazon. Trying to return it would be a nightmare. Sears is done and my local Lowes/Home Depot don't carry all the refrigerator/washer/drier manufacturers or models. Best Buy has a surprisingly large selection of appliances. They also had the lowest price last time I was in the market. Costco sells appliances too but they don't have display models. Is there any other major national appliance store? All I see in Houston is mom-n-pops and local/regional chains.

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    2. Re:Thriving, no. Surviving, perhaps. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not buying a refrigerator from Amazon.

      I'm not sure why not. I'd have something like that delivered even if I got it locally. So, the difference is moot.

      A few years ago, I purchased a jointer through them. It had a 60x6" cast iron deck and weighed about 400 lbs. I decided I wanted the 72" after seeing it in person and sent it back with no problem.

      In general, the majority of really heavy or large items are shipped direct to the consumer from out-of-town and always have been. We're just not so aware of it because heavy items are mostly for industrial or large construction consumers. In fact, it was that type of shipper that delivered my jointer because it was heavy enough to require a truck with a forklift.

    3. Re:Thriving, no. Surviving, perhaps. by known_coward_69 · · Score: 2

      The locations in NYC do more business in July than suburban locations in December.

      Some of us don't mind taking a walk during lunch or after work and you can have your stuff the same day unlike amazon. And they don't play stupid games with inventory like suddenly no PS4's in stock like Amazon does. Or only buying through some shady small business instead of Amazon itself

    4. Re:Thriving, no. Surviving, perhaps. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Costco sells appliances too but they don't have display models.

      As a side note; a year ago we bought a washer & dryer (unseen) from Costco - excellent delivery/installation & we're really impressed by the appliances. I think the prices were comparable to BestBuy, but BB didn't include delivery/installation (I hate being nickle'n'dimed, just give me a price).

    5. Re:Thriving, no. Surviving, perhaps. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Damn, those are some big joints. I want to party with you.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    6. Re:Thriving, no. Surviving, perhaps. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As long as a company remains profitable they can operate indefinitely. This insane idea that companies can grow forever isn't backed up by any logic. It is one reason why I would never make my companies public, they demand growth every year which is an impossibility. Stay profitable and stay in control of your business.

      For many things BB is much better than Amazon.

      Recently I have bought a tablet, 4k TV, sound bar, 4k bluray player and two hard drives from BB.

      The TV was on clearance and was the same price as the same size 4k chinese labelled knockoffs on Amazon. Horseshit like TCL but I bought a top brand for the same price.

      The tablet was $120 cheaper at BB than Amazon.

      The rest was within $5 each of Amazon.

      The one thing I did get on Amazon was a TV stand because that was better priced by far than BB. Just like you don't buy phone accessories at BB or any retailer or don't buy TV stands there either. It was a huge mistake on my part. Even with Prime, shipping took 8 days, except it got lost and I had to wait another 8 days for its replacement. So my new TV had to sit on the floor of my brand new house for over 2 weeks. It turned out to be not such of a great deal from Amazon. I did get a 40% refund. CS is about the only thing Amazon has going for it these days. It is still decent despite the fact that talking to someone who can speak clearly is an impossibility.

      The best par of BBt was no waiting for it and much easier returns, especially the TV. Odds are that Amazon would have used Fedex or DHL for at least of the items and it would have gotten lost or delivered to the wrong city(all of which has happened to me multiple times by these two shit services that Amazon won't stop using). I have had Prime for years but cancelled it last spring because of shipping issues and it just isn't a good deal anymore. even if their other Prime services didn't suck, it still wouldn't be worth it. The video streaming service is such low quality it is a joke. How can Netflix do so well on Amazon servers but Amazon can't do the same?

      With all the shipping issues, I requested that Amazon blacklist DHL and Fedex and was told that they can't do that. WTF is that? I asked newegg to blacklist those two clowns from delivering my orders and were able to do it, yet Amazon can't? Fuck them. I told them so and they gave me 3 months of free Prime. That is the only good thing about Amazon it is really easy to get free prime or even up to 150% refund and keep the item. I got 150% refunds on stuff I am still using like my awesome $120 sonicare toothbrush. I even had an expensive air purifier not arrive because they foolishly used Fedex, it never arrived, despite the tracking saying it did. Amazon sent another one and about 4 months later(!!!) the other one showed up. I contacted Amazon to let them know and they let me keep it for free. I guess I shouldn't be pissed because I get so much free shit because Amazon insists on using shitty delivery services but incompetence annoys me.

      If Amazon can't be arsed to care about using competent partners, well that says everything I need to know about them.

      Since BB is price competitive with Amazon, Amazon is now worthless for a limited number of items. I get a 10% vet discount at Lowes(yeah HomeDepot does that also but I don't have to ask the cashier for it, I just get it with my card) which puts them in range of Amazon as well so I get to tell Amazon to fuck off more and more which makes me happy as a pig in shit.

      numbnuts

    7. Re:Thriving, no. Surviving, perhaps. by RhettLivingston · · Score: 1

      I never said that Best Buy has no value. I would prefer shopping at a healthy local Best Buy over Amazon though ours is a bit of a dump in a not-so-great neighborhood. I just said that, by any reasonable definition, they are not thriving - "growing or developing in a vigorous way". Every measure I see clearly indicates that they have flatlined for a decade now despite many competitors going out of business (usually an event that allows growth as you pick up their customer base).

    8. Re:Thriving, no. Surviving, perhaps. by RhettLivingston · · Score: 1

      As long as a company remains profitable they can operate indefinitely.

      True - though that is not "thriving". Thriving explicitly means growing.

      Also, if the resource difference is too great, they will eventually be swept up or put under by a competitor who is intent on growing - whether they want to be or not. This can happen by buyout, targeted undercutting, and/or use of purchasing power to arm-twist suppliers into better or exclusive deals. Business is war. Reducing this likelihood is one of the major reasons for growth.

    9. Re:Thriving, no. Surviving, perhaps. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is not moot. You have to hope like hell that you can reuse the packing material and move it at least outside if not to a UPS as opposed to just having the delivery guys from the store come get it.

      numbnuts

  22. Yikes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bought a TV from there and they tried to hard sell me on letting someone come over to do a free calibration for the lighting and sound, I had to give them a fake address to get them off my back. I don't need someone clocking my house or trying to steal something while they're there, even hijacking my WiFi info.

    I go to best buy to see something in person, have a place to return it to easily if I have a problem, and avoid shipping with heavy items to my house or back to the store if need be. Services like amazon are a real hassle if anything goes wrong and you just can't check it out before you buy it.

  23. I bought my little air floss thingy by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    from best buy because the thing dies like clockwork every 6 months or so and with the extended warranty they just keep on replacing it. I keep expecting them to send me packing but they never do. Sometimes I have to pay $2 bucks because the cost of the warranty went up and I have to pay the difference.

    I do the same with Costco & car batteries. I live the the southwest and they last about 2 years. Costco warranty is 3 years. Haven't bought a car battery in ages.

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    1. Re:I bought my little air floss thingy by rikkards · · Score: 2

      Here is a hint about Costco in general, the reason why their products tend to be cheaper is that they are built that way.
      As an example the Optima batteries they carried were specifically manufactured for them. Granted Optima are not as good as they used to be since they moved their manufacturing to Mexico but even when they were still built in the US, the Costco ones were less reliable. My old Optima yellowtop lasted about 8 years and that involved some seriously heavy winching that would flatten it. People I know on my forum were lucky to get 2 years out of their Costco one.
      I replaced it with a Northstar AGM 2 years ago and it runs like brand new

  24. Re:Door-to-door sales and the FTC’s Cooling- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    these aren't cold calls. these are salespersons from the store, going to the home at the customer's (and in most cases, an existing one with an existing relationship with the store) request. so home solicitation rules that apply to the old encyclopedia and vacuum salesmen of days-past probably do not apply here.

  25. My experience by WinstonWolfIT · · Score: 1

    Their floor staff are exceptional. My parents refuse to listen to me, so when a guy comes over and suggests precisely the usb extender I had already selected, then they listen. You can go online and see precisely what's in stock before you go. What's in stock is a $32 'extender, what's not is a $7 extender only available by delivery.

    1. Re:My experience by Layth · · Score: 1

      their floor staff doesn't know jack shit, the guy couldn't even tell me if oculus rift was wireless or not. when i asked if i needed accessories he said we'd have to look it up on the internet.

    2. Re:My experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are an exceptional individual. No wonder your parents ignore you. I would ignore anyone who thought retail staff at any store was 'exceptional'.

      numbnuts

  26. Like health insurance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... they'll be paid an annual salary ...

    That's usually a way to create an on-call workforce where employees are driven to spend more and more time chasing whatever metric the boss demands.

    ... establish long-term relationships ...

    An employer-provided gig-economy will allow a certain number of consultations, just like health insurance. Or, the customer may not be interested in buying a check-up.

  27. Coffee is for closers by sjbe · · Score: 2

    Best Buy used to complain that people used their store as a showroom then went home and ordered from Amazon. That blew my mind. A retailer complaining that people come into the store?

    Exactly. If you can get people into the store and still can't close the deal then you are doing something wrong. Could be price, could be service, could be "shopping experience", or something else. But if they are standing in your building and you still cannot sell them the product then you have something wildly wrong with your business model.

    Basically I go to a store for just a few reasons.
    1) I want to touch and see and/or select the product prior to buying.
    2) I want to talk to a product expert face to face. (and they had better actually be an expert)
    3) I need something Right Now.
    4) Going to the store is more convenient than shopping online (like directly on my commute to/from home)
    5) The store offers a fun shopping experience I cannot get online

    If you are going to offer a product then you need to either be price competitive or you need to offer more value in other ways. If a company cannot compete on price with Amazon or Walmart (and most cannot) then they need to offer something else extra. Give me a reason to come to your store and buy that isn't just a mediocre price on a product I can get elsewhere.

  28. At least they are trying something ... by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 2

    At least they are trying something, instead of just sitting around expecting everything to just work the old way.

  29. Funny Definition Of "Thriving" by WankerWeasel · · Score: 1

    Best Buy has shut down stores, cut thousands of employees, cut services (like Geek Squad) substantially, pulled out of market categories, and much more. Seems their definition of "thriving" isn't what most would define it as. "Holding on" is a bit more like it.

  30. FBI? by andyring · · Score: 1

    Will they look around your house and report back to the FBI, just like they do when you bring a computer into the store for them to fix?

  31. Translation by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    'They're supposed to establish long-term relationships with their customers rather than chase one-time transactions.'

    IOW old people and stupid people who need them every other week.

    1. Re:Translation by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Switching from fast to slow grift mode.

      Not going to work, BB people are still the same clueless twats.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
  32. I Hate Best Buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I placed an online order to pick up at their store nearest to me. I walked in, waited in line, then showed my driver license and credit card to obtain my order, an SSD worth ~$100. I walked with my SSD and receipt in hand to the exit. At the exit, one of the Best Buy goons demanded that I hand over my receipt. I replied politely, "no thank you," and I continued exiting the store. That's when the Best Buy jerk screamed, "SUSPICION OF SHOPLIFTING!!!"

    WTF?

    I continued walking out of the store. I placed the item in my car. Then I walked back in to confront Best Buy's horribly abusive and lying behavior. Their goons were just as nasty when I confronted them and refused to apologize to me. When I contacted Best Buy's customer "service?" later, they too claimed that calling their customers SUSPECTED SHOPLIFTERS was ok with them!

    A few weeks later, I walked in, picked up a few pricey Macbook computers in my hands without setting off the security devices, placed those computers back down safely on the table, and walked out without making a purchase. No one from Best Buy screamed, "SUSPICION OF SHOPLIFTING" then.

    Moral of the story: Use Best Buy to look at devices; then place your order online through a different company which will ship the devices to your home. Never, ever actually buy something from Best Buy.

    1. Re:I Hate Best Buy by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      The average settlement for false accusations of shoplifting is $50k. You were so close...

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    2. Re:I Hate Best Buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      About 10 years ago I ordered a shitty $500 Toshiba laptop for pick up. I go in, they give me a $1600 Qosmio laptop. I show my receipt at the door and walk out with no drama. I actually didn't notice the error until I got home and they never did. Their door watcher is as clueless as everyone else working there.

      numbnuts

  33. Re:Door-to-door sales and the FTC’s Cooling- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, he meant "word salads". It's an expression. Google it and learn. Your welcome. Yes, it's yours, if you can get the intelligent humor.