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Weird New Fruits Could Hit Aisles Soon Thanks To Gene Editing (theguardian.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Guardian: Smooth or hairy, pungent or tasteless, deep-hued or bright: new versions of old fruits could be hitting the produce aisles as plant experts embrace cutting-edge technology, scientists say. While researchers have previously produced plants with specific traits through traditional breeding techniques, experts say new technologies such as the gene-editing tool Crispr-Cas9 could be used to bring about changes far more rapidly and efficiently. Among the genes flagged in the new study in the journal Trends in Plant Science are those behind the production of a family of substances known as MYBs, which are among the proteins that control whether other genes are switched on or off.

"MYBs are great targets because they are central to several consumer traits or features like color, flavor [and] texture," said Andrew Allan, a co-author of the review from the University of Auckland whose own projects include working on red-fleshed apples and changing the color of kiwi fruits. "Russet skin in apple and pear [is linked to MYBs]. Hairs on peaches but not nectarines -- another type of MYB." Dr Richard Harrison, head of genetics, genomics and breeding at the horticultural organization NIAB EMR, who was not involved in the article, said tweaking MYB genes or the way such genes are themselves controlled was a fruitful approach. Gene-editing of MYB genes and other genes could bring a host of benefits, Harrison said, adding: "There is a large opportunity to improve the nutritional profile of fruits and vegetables in the future using gene-editing technology, as well as other techniques." Such techniques, he said, introduce the same sort of DNA changes as plant breeders have introduced by artificially selecting traits that cropped up through spontaneous DNA mutation -- but much faster.
Next week, the European Court of Justice will decide if or how plants that have been gene-edited will be regulated, and whether they will be treated like genetically modified plants. In April, the U.S. Department of Agriculture announced it will no longer regulate genetically altered plants, so long as the changes could have been produced through traditional plant-breeding techniques.

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  1. Thanks to gene editing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'll have more stuff to avoid at the grocery store. Thanks Science!

    1. Re:Thanks to gene editing by Zocalo · · Score: 2

      Gene editing - doing to the grocery aisle what cable did to TV; hundreds of different fruits and veg yet still nothing you'd want to eat.

      Or whatever. I actually don't think there's much of a market for broad variation like this; the market is finite and there are a lot of logistics problems with providing a lot of choice for a perishable item (even if GMO can extend the fact that fruit and veg has an inherent use by date, it's probably not going to remove it). People in a given area will like what they like - or opt to avoid anything labelled as GMO because GMO - and the market will sort itself out soon enough. We'll likely end up with roughly the same amount of choice in a given store as before, but the actual selection will shift to include those GMO products that sell well enough to increase profits over the products they replaced.

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    2. Re:Thanks to gene editing by Gilgaron · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This isn't putting fruit fly genes in your grapes, this is editing the grape genome with intention rather than depending on blind luck. The other produce at the store you're eating was mutated with radiation, unless you're only eating heirloom varieties.

  2. Unlikely. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 4, Interesting

    People don't like change or unexpected tastes. There is a reason that green ketchup died.

    A faaar better use would be to make healthy foods slightly more palatable without sacrificing it's high nutritional value. Sadly, I foresee this being used to make fruits far sweeter which would make them very unhealthy.

    What we need the government to start doing is evaluating goods based on their heath impact and how addictive they are and then place a tax on the food that will later be used to pay for the healthcare you'll need from consuming them. Humans are bad a long-term decision making therefore turning the long-term decision into a short-term one helps people make better choices.

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    1. Re:Unlikely. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Humans are bad a long-term decision making?! Well, thank goodness we have a government chock full of humans to make our decisions for us!

    2. Re:Unlikely. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Tastes of fruit and vege have changed a lot over the decades. Thing is: consumers don't buy based on taste, they buy based on appearance and consistency. Hence rather than cool new fruit with mind-boggling flavours we get amazing looking tomatoes that bounce without bruising and taste like compressed cardboard and disappointment.

      My prediction: same with crispr. Not new fruit, just hardier, blander, more generic versions of what we have already.

    3. Re: Unlikely. by astrofurter · · Score: 2

      No need to ban GMO. Just clearly label it. No one will buy it, and the frankenfarmers will go out of business.

    4. Re: Unlikely. by c6gunner · · Score: 2

      Totally. No need to ban cellphones, just put "these devices emit radiation" stickers on them. Nobody will buy them and we'll all go back to using landlines.

    5. Re: Unlikely. by burtosis · · Score: 2

      I actually don't mind eating most GMO products that I've come across, I find them to be equal or superior to natural ones if you just compare them taste wise with the natural store alternative. I am opposed to drenching the world in glyphosate, which is the main reason I oppose some of them. Others, like the GMO salmon that grow twice as fast, I'm only opposed to lax regulation because if it were possible for them to escape and breed in the wild it would wipe out natural populations.

    6. Re:Unlikely. by Rei · · Score: 2

      Why on earth does a plant need to place all of that sugar and water to keep such tiny seeds fed to be able to grow?

      To attract animals to eat the fruits and distribute the seeds. Duh. Yes, brix is a common measure of fruit quality, as consumers usually prefer higher brix fruits. But there's countless wild fruits that are higher brix than apples. Also, as a side note, but brix without corresponding TA often tastes bland or insipid.

      Apples are not a particularly water-wasteful fruit to cultivate.

      You're off the mark on this one. The big issue they need to tackle is the "picking fruit underripe so that it lasts long enough to distribute" issue. You actually do rob fruits of a lot of nutrients via picking underripe, and IMHO more seriously, rob them of their texture and flavour. Anyone who's ever compared a fully vine-ripened homegrown tomato (even of a common commercial hybrid cultivar) vs. a store tomato knows exactly what I'm talking about.

      Also: it always seems weird to me that they see the need to modify existing fruits so heavily, when there's an endless array of other fruits out there that can be cultivated to add new taste/texture experiences to the market. Yesterday I had lucuma ice cream and a baobab milkshake, both delicious. I enjoy a bowl of acerola when I can get them. Always pick up some langsat when I get a chance, and love me some frozen jackfruit (although that one takes a couple tastes to acquire it). Oh, and don't even get me started on members of the mangosteen genus (Garcinia)! Oh great, now my mouth is watering... SO need to see if the asian food store near Hlemmur has some more mangosteens in stock...

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    7. Re: Unlikely. by Ranbot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No need to ban GMO. Just clearly label it. No one will buy it, and the frankenfarmers will go out of business.

      We should also label all irradiated food, and all those atomic farmers will go out of business! https://www.fda.gov/food/resou...

      Labels on foods without any scientific basis do nothing but scare ignorant people.

    8. Re: Unlikely. by astrofurter · · Score: 2

      It's a little odd that GMO advocates are so opposed to people knowing how their food was produced. I wonder if they feel that people are too stupid to decide what they want to eat?

    9. Re: Unlikely. by bws111 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      People are opposed to labeling because it is pointless. OK, you want to know how your food is produced. Big deal. Why stop at whether or not it is GMO? I want to know what companies produced the tractors that were used in the production of my food. I demand a label! I want to know what nationalities of the people who handle the food are. Label it! I want to know what wages are paid to the workers in the fields. Label it! I want to know who sold the seeds to the farmer. Label it! I could come up with many more examples of stupid things people might 'want to know', each as pointless as knowing if it is GMO.

    10. Re:Unlikely. by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 2

      Tastes of fruit and vege have changed a lot over the decades. Thing is: consumers don't buy based on taste, they buy based on appearance and consistency. Hence rather than cool new fruit with mind-boggling flavours we get amazing looking tomatoes that bounce without bruising and taste like compressed cardboard and disappointment.

      That is not true for everything. I'm American and I have always lived in places that didn't have much of an apple industry. As a kid, there were 3 types of apples that could be bought in grocery stores where I lived.
      1) Red Delicious - which is never delicious but it is certainly red. It's awful all the time. It looks great and it always tastes like a mush.
      2) Yellow Delicious - which is marginally better than Red Delicious in that it might actually be possible to find some that don't taste like mush, but most will taste like mush.
      3) Granny Smith - these are almost always good and rarely have problems.
      That was it. I never understood as a kid why people liked apples because other than Granny Smith, they were pretty bad all the time. And most people who said they liked apples ate those awful crimes against nature, Red Delicious.

      So finally the US supermarkets starting carrying Gala and Fuji. Some were convinced that US customers would never buy them because they weren't of uniform color, but those guys are pretty good pretty much all the time and people did buy them. During apple season, I can go to Whole Foods and they'll have the 5 types I mentioned plus a few others like maybe Pink Lady. US consumers have shown that they will now buy apples based on taste and not just appearance, but it took a long time to get there. Even my local chain supermarket is now carrying heirloom tomatoes regularly so there is hope there too. Honestly, I hated tomatoes for most of my life because they were (and sometimes still are) awful tasting even though they look great. I tried a tomato in Eastern Europe over a decade ago and I was amazed at how flavorful it was so then I realized that tomatoes were like apples. It certainly was possible to grow really tasty ones but the supermarkets were only carrying the ones that shipped well and looked good regardless of taste. By the way, even in the US, cherry and grape tomatoes are really good everywhere and are safe bets if you want a tomato but don't want to gamble on a normal sized supermarket one.

  3. Don't care if it is labelled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't care how badly they mutilate the fruits and veggies JUST SO LONG AS THEY ARE LABELLED AS GMO. Let the market sort it out. What are the corporations hiding that they would fight tooth and nail against labels? Don't people have a simple right to know what they are buying and eating?

    1. Re:Don't care if it is labelled by gravewax · · Score: 4, Insightful

      why? most of what you eat has been genetically modified by humans, either through selective breeding for animals or crops, very few things we eat today are in the state they existed when discovered. The only difference with this particular method is it is faster and less error prone. So really almost everything should be labelled as GMO.

    2. Re:Don't care if it is labelled by Aighearach · · Score: 2, Insightful

      For the reason of having choice, that's all you have to worry about. We're asking for information so we can choose, we're not inviting you to try to choose for us, or to tell us you disagree with our choices. We might also disagree with your choices.

    3. Re: Don't care if it is labelled by c6gunner · · Score: 2

      I used to be opposed to idiotic labels like those, until I realised that they'll have the exact opposite effect of what the fearmongers want. "GMO" labels will eventually turn out the same as California's "everything causes cancer" labels. It's going to reach such heights of absurdity that people will completely ignore them.

      I think the "organic" shills realise this to some extent which is why they've intentionally avoided labeling things like cheese and insulin. My bet is they're trying to walk a thin line, steering people into buying overprices fruits and veggies while not overwhelming them by labeling products with which they can't compete. It's a losing proposition in the long run, though.

    4. Re: Don't care if it is labelled by astrofurter · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "Then about 25 years ago, direct ways to add and edit specific genes into food-producing plants began to be used." Yeah. That's what we want labelled. The public has a right to know what they're eating.

    5. Re: Don't care if it is labelled by astrofurter · · Score: 2

      "everything should be labelled as GMO" You don't *really* believe that, do you? I mean I've heard of willful misunderstanding, but c'mon...

    6. Re: Don't care if it is labelled by c6gunner · · Score: 3, Informative

      For the reason of having choice, that's all you have to worry about.

      That's idiotic. Your "I want choice" can be used as an argument for absolutely anything.

      "I want to know all of the produce which was picked by left handed redheads"

      "Why?"

      "Because I want choice, that's all you have to worry about."

      Yeah, OK. I'll get around to that just as soon as I finish labeling all the stuff that was touched by black people. The KKK wants choice too.

    7. Re: Don't care if it is labelled by skoskav · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's what makes the labeling arbitrary. Labeling mutation breeding or hybridization is never brought up, which is arguably less predictable and safe, presumably because people would realize that everything they eat, including their favorite brands, has been substantially mutated from their "natural" state.

      Unjustifiably labeling GMO can sway uninformed people into incorrect assumptions, such as equating it to dangerous products and ingredients that are also labeled in many countries, like tobacco, alcohol and allergens.

    8. Re: Don't care if it is labelled by skoskav · · Score: 2

      It depends on the definition of GMO. Pretty much every organism grown since agriculture became a thing has been substantially artificially modified genetically by humans. However, the typical meaning of GMO is reserved for the more accurate gene editing techniques that became popular a few decades ago.

    9. Re:Don't care if it is labelled by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      GM is substantively different from breeding because it permits changes not possible in any other way. Where the changes would be possible with selective breeding, you're right. But that is not the only kind of GM.

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  4. Interesting... by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think the most appropriate objection to GMOs is that Monsanto (now Bayer) uses them to lock farmers into hyper-exploitative contracts and uses heavy-handed legal tactics to enforce them, leading to collateral damage (farmers being wrongly sued for using unlicensed seeds) and suicide by farmers crumpling under the pressures exerted by Monsanto/Bayer.

    On the GMO topic per se, I'm with the large number of scientists who can't see anything wrong with it. Gene splicing and editing are just new and different ways of doing what we've always done with crops. With technological developments like these, I think we're due for a review of our agricultural policies and laws but in the public interest, i.e. no corporate and lobby money allowed. But I guess that's just a pipe-dream.

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    1. Re:Interesting... by tquasar · · Score: 2, Informative

      Roundup-Ready crops were designed to survive being sprayed with glyphosate and farmers were tied to buying seed from Monsanto. Farmers used to save seed from one crop to plant the next growing season. Use the Google. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... https://www.organicconsumers.o...

    2. Re:Interesting... by skoskav · · Score: 2

      You need to be more skeptical of your source (organicconsumers.org) as the author has a clear bias to promote woo, being a osteopath, which is the non-science based art of bone-cracking and mixing in homeopathy instead of medicine. Why this self-proclaimed doctor is talking about agriculture and ecology is anyone's guess.

      Before glyphosate-resistant crops farmers still generally bought seeds each season. Since about a century back, crops meant for commercial consumption have come from hybrid seeds. Hybrid seeds produce undesirable offspring. If you took, say, a Granny Smith apple and planted its seeds, the resulting trees would all produce different kinds of apples, none of which would taste or look like a Granny Smith.

  5. Not new. I've been using my crispr for fruits by raymorris · · Score: 4, Funny

    Nothing new about using crispr for fruits. I've been using my crispr for fruits and vegetables for a long time. The drawer next to the crispr is where I keep my cheese and stuff. Milk goes on the top shelf, eggs in door.

  6. Relevant xkcd by pointybits · · Score: 2
  7. Re: Foodies VS Luddites by astrofurter · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If the frankenfoods are clearly labeled as GMO, hardly anyone will buy them. Probably the government will try to force people on public assistance to eat GMO, so their bribe-contributors in the industrial farming business will have *someone* to buy their unwanted garbage.

  8. Slow vs fast by Misagon · · Score: 2

    I think there is a point in breeding crops the slow traditional way over several generations (of crops): You notice the faults with a breed of crop over some time, and you often have a larger number of different seeds to use for the next generation.
    Of course you could do gene editing in a responsible, slow way too, but it gene editing is being sold on its speed and instant results.

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  9. Re: Foodies VS Luddites by ortholattice · · Score: 2

    I doubt that GMO "certainly" explains why we're so damned unhealthy as a country. Do you have a reference? What biological mechanism would cause GMO to make you unhealthy? Stop making things up.

    Most likely it is due to an inverted food pyramid of high-calorie fatty snacks, sugary soft drinks, and greasy deep-fried foods, along with inactivity. I've rarely seen an unhealthy/obese person on a Mediterranean diet (not just starting the diet but on it for many years). Most of the fresh fruits, nuts, and vegetables in that diet are GMO in one way or another unless you go to an extreme in seeking out non-GMO produce.

  10. Re:The variety already exists in the world by hey! · · Score: 2

    Broccoli, kale, brussels sprouts, and cabbage are all cultivars of the same species: Brassica oleracea. Turnips, bok choy, and Napa cabbage are all cultivars of Brassica rapa. It's not true that supermarkets don't stock variants of the same fruits or vegetables. The thing is that in some cases the cultivars are so wildly different we don't even recognize them as the same thing.

    I've been shopping at supermarkets for over fifty years now. Here's the big change since the 1960s: supermarkets have gotten larger and larger, but the space devoted to ingredients and vegetables has shrunk as prepared convenience foods have exploded. Within the vegetable aisles there's always exotic stuff on offer, but cooking basics can be hard to find. Sometimes I have to raid dieter snack trays for celery and carrots, but if I'd wanted dragonfruit and tamarind I'd have been in luck.

    I think this is because people are cooking less, and when they do cook it's more likely to be a special event. They watch cooking reality or adventure travel shows, and when they come across a giant spiny jackfruit next to the tomatoes, they know what it is and want to try it.

    So people will absolutely try new things, but I'm not sure how you market something that is (a) familiar but different and (b) not tied to some kind of cultural tradition getting media exposure.

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